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Anonymous No.712691902 [Report] >>712691961 >>712692147 >>712692219 >>712692350 >>712692514 >>712692962 >>712694053 >>712694392 >>712695510 >>712695772 >>712696035 >>712697150 >>712697917 >>712701164 >>712701268
Prove him wrong.
Anonymous No.712691961 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
How can one prove him wrong when he is right?
Anonymous No.712692137 [Report] >>712692243
I think it's fine to try new things but it feels like adjusting to bad software more than it does playing something fun sometimes
Anonymous No.712692147 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
Anonymous No.712692219 [Report] >>712699119
>>712691902 (OP)
I can't, he's almost entirely right. The only thing I would challenge him on is that if a game has good gameplay I'd play it even if the story is bad, but of course no FF game's gameplay is that good.
Anonymous No.712692243 [Report]
>>712692137
It is fun to try new things, I agree with you. My issue is that Final Fantasy was always "something new", every single game, it's just that now it's "something bad" too, and that's the part I don't like.
Anonymous No.712692350 [Report] >>712697730
>>712691902 (OP)

the only part about this little zoomer's perspective that irked me is the lack of enthusiasm for X-2's combat system
come on, that's by far the best part of the game and it barely gets a mention?
everything else is spot on and i have nothing to add
Anonymous No.712692387 [Report] >>712692432 >>712698042
The FF7 remakes are literally made for normalfags and not actual FF fans. It's for people who are a fan of 7 but not FF as a universe and creative IP.
I would rather replay Lightning Returns or X-2 multiple times over than spend another second touching those remakes.
Anonymous No.712692432 [Report] >>712692715
>>712692387
>I would rather replay Lightning Returns
This is not a sentence you see often on /v/.
I agree.
Anonymous No.712692513 [Report]
lightning returns is kino
Anonymous No.712692514 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
12 is good and he's a faggot for hating that.
Anonymous No.712692715 [Report] >>712693094 >>712698168
>>712692432
That's because the majority of retards got filtered by literal mini quests and a time mechanic that doesn't even matter because you can just new game plus whenever you feel like it. They never put parry and dodge on their skills and realize just how active the combat could get. You really need to remember the type of people who touch these games, anything other than "grind your main guy until he's over leveled and you win" is too complicated for them. It's also why people jerk off over 9 instead of 8 more because of the scaling. And why everyone hates gambits in XII because it's too hard for them to plan ahead.
Anonymous No.712692717 [Report] >>712692871
>more bitter crying about Square Enix and Final Fantasy
I know you people are all mentally unhinged, but can you please try to accept in your heart that everyone at Square Enix hates you?
You're not the target audience anymore. They don't care about you. They have their new audience on lock and they don't listen to your endless bitching. Pic related has sold 7m units alone and paid for the entire remake trilogy.
Please, look within, and stop making 1000 threads a day crying over nostalgia.

Nobody. Alive. Cares.
Anonymous No.712692848 [Report] >>712693112 >>712693216
Sakaguchi dumps millions into his passion project movie and it flops and almost bankrupts the company.

Square merges with Enix and become incredibly risk adverse. They start trying to make games to appeal to the mass market and much less experimental one-offs.

This shift coupled with his failure with The Spirits Within causes Sakaguchi to leave the company.

The last FF he is credited on is FFX.

Without it's creator and his unified vision of the franchise, they keep trying new things that aren't as successful.

My only hope is that SE and Sakaguchi have somewhat rekindled their relationship with the console release of Fantasian and they might at least let him be a creative consultant for FF17.
Anonymous No.712692871 [Report]
>>712692717
all i know is that they're certainly not getting MY money
Anonymous No.712692962 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
>FF7, 8, 9
>hand-drawn backgrounds
I don't think so, Tim.
Anonymous No.712693094 [Report]
>>712692715
>a time mechanic that doesn't even matter because chronostasis renders it completely moot
Fixed
Anonymous No.712693112 [Report] >>712693295
>>712692848
>Sakaguchi dumps millions into his passion project movie
I still don't "get" what the mentality was when they made the movie. Why call your space sci-fi shooter action movie Final Fantasy? Why gamble your most successful brand on a movie that has zero to do with said brand?
Sure, the brand is valueless now, but back when The Spirits Within released Final Fantasy was still a hot title that had gamers camping outside their local Gamestop.

What a bizarre and ultimately fruitless gamble to make with your literal money-maker.
Anonymous No.712693216 [Report] >>712693332
>>712692848
>My only hope is that SE and Sakaguchi have somewhat rekindled their relationship with the console release of Fantasian and they might at least let him be a creative consultant for FF17.
When SE published the console release of Fantasian they also censored it.
Anonymous No.712693295 [Report]
>>712693112
They thought the brand name would make it more marketable and underestimated how many people would think it's some kind of game movie and either write it off because of that or expect it to be an adaptation of FF7 for some reason and be disappointed when it wasn't.
Anonymous No.712693332 [Report] >>712693589 >>712693620
>>712693216
I kinda don't understand why anyone would want SE to publish their games. I know the Gooch probably got published by them on the cheap but it's not like the game sold well so what's the actual point? It's not like they did any advertisement for it or went far out of their way to market it in any way.
Anonymous No.712693589 [Report] >>712693858
>>712693332
I honestly don't know why he originally released it exclusively to Apple Arcade. I know he's an iFag, but it's such an abysmal idea. I'd wager most people never even knew it existed until the console release was announced.
Anonymous No.712693620 [Report] >>712693939
>>712693332

The only games that actually get an advertisement budget from Square Enix is Final Fantasy. All other games might get 1 trailer slapped on YouTube to no fanfare and that's your lot. Then they send the game out to die and act super surprised when no one even knows it exists.
Anonymous No.712693858 [Report]
>>712693589
If I was to guess I'm going to gamble on him getting a few bucks from Apple to put it there. And let's be real, his studio isn't exactly printing money, so it must have been the safe bet to take an exclusivity-bribe for a few years and then fish up stragglers on real machines later.
Anonymous No.712693939 [Report] >>712694045
>>712693620
you know that bravely default got a trailer in the Switch 2's, the most popular console on earth, launch trailer right?
Anonymous No.712694045 [Report]
>>712693939

Yeah but that screams more of Nintendo needing some library diversity on launch, rather than SE actually managing their IPs well. Although I could be wrong.
Did BD do well on the Switch 2 by any chance?
Anonymous No.712694053 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
Why does /v/ keep spamming this retard? I had to block his channel on youtube because I would keep getting shorts from his channel that had absolutely nothing to do with any of my searches. Same with Asmonroach and that manlet Crtickal.
Anonymous No.712694103 [Report]
>people only play ff12 with fast forward
no shit its because the option is available.
emulators also give you the option of using fast forward for these older jrpgs and you sure as fuck can bet people are using it.
Anonymous No.712694392 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
He is a non-Japanese Asian
Q.E.D.
Anonymous No.712695415 [Report] >>712696187
>and if i dont like the story, why even play it
hmmmmmmmm....i dont know...im not sure...maybe...just possibly...just curiously...BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING VIDEOGAME.
this dude is perfectly exemplary of the typical generic videogames retard. he even has a bit of /v/ in there "Uh like why does the game end if durr one charcater die? like how does that make sense". Hmmmm...thats interesting...quite the dubious inquiry...maybe...just possibly...just curiously....BECAUSE YOU ONLY CONTROL ONE CHARACTER AND YOU ARE THE TEAM LEADER WHO DIRECTS OTHERS TO FIGHT AND THE GAME SOMEHOW COULDNT POSSIBLY HAMMER IT HOME MORE WITH THE FACT THAT YOURE THE ONLY CHARACT3R WITH ACTUAL MILITARY TRAINING AND EVERYTHING FALLS APART WITHOUT YOU BECAUSE OF HOW STRONGLY THE GAME IS DEPENDENT ON TEAM SYNERGIES FILLING IN WEAKNESSES OR MAXIMIZING STRENTGHTS TO BEAT ENEMIES.
But if you really want to reduce the essence of their complaint it is "why is this thing no longer like old classic epic thing?" The games are never judged by their own merits, nobody engages on the basis of "how much is this game like the thing i know and expect" and "how simple is this". Thats why they talk so surface level. What they essentially do is describe "characteristics" of the game, then arbitrary assign values, not establish the appropriateness of those values, so instead of "being unable to fight when 1 character dies means you cant create strategies centered around a character dying" while stupid since letting a character die is always easier than keeping them alive, its better than the arbitrary shit provided instead.
Anonymous No.712695510 [Report] >>712696672 >>712699924
>>712691902 (OP)
i actually like this guys' content since E33 came out, hes been on my feed a lot and he nicely articulates shit about RPGs and games. sorry to be supportive on /v/ but it is what it is
Anonymous No.712695772 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
Those games he listed use ACS (active combat system) where based upon stats and various other things a bar fills up so you can perform a action when it is full. The fight continued even if you don't do anything, so you should quickly determine an action (enemies can continue to wail on you).

I think turn based stopped with 6 or pre 6.

FF1 is a good example of turn based, everyone gets 1 turn per round (enemies and your characters). You can sit in the action menu forever and it is still that characters turn and nothing else has happened.
Anonymous No.712696035 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
I would exclude 10. There weren't as many limitations.
Anonymous No.712696187 [Report]
>>712695415
Alrigt faggot, calm down, take your meds.
Anonymous No.712696672 [Report]
>>712695510
who is he?
Anonymous No.712697150 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
Buy an Ad
Anonymous No.712697730 [Report]
I didn't watch the whole thing but he's right and wrong because of situations like this >>712692350. The broader issue is that gaming itself went mainstream and companies started chasing sales instead of earning them, this caused certain genres to fade away because companies no longer wanted to make that style of game. SE in particular was the core pillar of the JRPG genre and when they threw away the time tested traditional designs the rest of the genre dissipated. This of course doesn't mean that a company shouldn't try new things, it does mean that you don't have to throw ALL of what you already knew worked into the trash.

Also, SE specifically was putting out multiple big titles a year, and a mainline FF title on a near yearly basis. Now it takes that same company 8 years to make one game.
Anonymous No.712697917 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
I like XVI and the VII Remakes well enough but he's honestly not wrong about any of it
Anonymous No.712698042 [Report]
>>712692387
I would rather play any other FF game than ever touch Lightning Returns again
Anonymous No.712698168 [Report]
>>712692715
A mechanic that doesn't matter is a shit mechanic. The dodge never feels good because you can barely fucking move around of your own volition, and every battle I get into I just wish I was playing either a better turn based game or a better action RPG because LR straddles the line between both and fucking sucks ass
Anonymous No.712698779 [Report]
>bashing a bunch of old games to make E33 look better in comparison
This guy is wrong by default
Anonymous No.712699119 [Report]
>>712692219
Literally this. The guys pretty spot on.
Anonymous No.712699924 [Report]
>>712695510
>my feed
so he is not a youtuber? people went from shilling youtubers to... instagramers?
Anonymous No.712701164 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
FF7 OG is laughably easy.
FF8's Junction system is retarded.
FF9's Trance system is shit.
Anonymous No.712701268 [Report]
>>712691902 (OP)
FF8's blending of FMV CG was remarkable.

FF9 and 10 then pussied out and lazily didn't integrate the FMV.