Why don't they just standardize this shit?

Because then one controller wins and the rest have to admit defeat.

*blocks your path*
Why the FUCK are you still using first party controllers??? start using chinkshit now

>>712695516
Then make a new standard like 1234 and have everyone use it.

What do they mean? XYAB and the geometrical shapes on PlayStation?

>>712695615
That's cool but why the fuck do you need a smartphone app to change your button layout

>>712695405 (OP)
>not thinking in your favorite configuration anyway
loser op

>>712695405 (OP)
I hate PS exclusives now, but PlayStation makes the most sense since they're unique symbols rather than just letters which can get confused with other things.

>>712695405 (OP)
because it's fine, unlike the gaycube controller
just memorize the nintendo layout, then memorize the sega layout
xbox is sega layout
and then just look at the controller for playstation since you're barely going to play playstation games and it's not important

>>712695405 (OP)
Only retards that have a hard time with timezones (like how China and India only has one for how big their country is) complain about this

>>712695516
Playstation is still using the symmetrical sticks that they bolted onto the original playstation controller after the fact.

Reminder to zoomers. Japanese Playstation games used to use the O as the primary confirmation button, and X as back. American Playstation games was reversed. Eventually it standardized on the American button placement.

>>712695405 (OP)
The Nintendo layout is fucking retarded.
>colorless
>B is the closest to your thumb for some fucking reason

>>712695735
So chink company can scrape your data and sell it. Small price to pay

>>712695615
this is a a retarded gimmick for a problem that doesn't actually exist.

>>712695783
What other things could you possibly be getting confused with?
>game says press A
>put down controller
>walk over to computer
>turn it on
>press A key
>wtf why isn't it working???

>>712695405 (OP)
copyright

>>712695405 (OP)
Japs are standardized, but they think X = NO and O = YES

>>712695929
>game says press R3

>>712695632
On playstation x = no gesture, O = yes gesture, if you play a jap made game like mgs 2/3 they use this for menus, idk the square/triangle choice tho probably just because it looks nice with the x and o

>>712695978
That is standard in most parts of the world

>>712695978
Not anymore

>>712695405 (OP)
Do you still look at buttons when you play??

It doesn't take a hyperbrain to memorize basically 2 sets of buttons.
And who thinks "Damn, I gotta press O, which is B which is the button on the right".
If you weren't such a fucking zoomer you'd try out all the buttons and go
>okay so the bottom button makes me jump
it's irrelevant what the button is labeled as unless there is a QTE or something. In which case, again, there is 2 sets to remember only.
Nobody cares about nintendo.

>>712695405 (OP)
Xbox's fault for copying, they should've gone with numbers.

>>712695908
I put my thumb over X and A, and always have since the SNES. Xbox controllers are the weird ones that put B under my thumb.

imagine if it took off

N
W E
S
New superior configuration

>>712695405 (OP)
Probably copywrite bullshit.

>>712695405 (OP)
Literally zero economic incentive.

>>712696095
>If you weren't such a fucking zoomer you'd try out all the buttons and go

thats the problem, you have to try out of the controls in every game. If controls were standard and the game told you to press X you wouldnt have to go "wait is it on the top, left, or bottom?"

>>712695783
>X can't be mistaken for the letter X
Also, games make it very clear when they're talking about the buttons, so this isn't even an issue in the first place.

>>712695615
>>712695405 (OP)
imagine being so retarded you can't have it memorized
i play SNES emulators all the time with an xbox controller and i've never been confused with the default layout

>>712695405 (OP)
if you have a brain larger than a walnut it shouldn't take more than a minute to adjust

>>712695405 (OP)
Nintendo's is the worst of all. 30 years ahead and their controllers still look like shit.

>>712695405 (OP)
Xbox and playstation seem to be the same in practice

>>712695615
If I locked in and studied engineering like I was supposed to, this would have been one of my projects

>>712695405 (OP)
It was standardized. There's input layouts in games you can select that just highlight the position. You don't need a face

>>712696536
Manchildren and girls, both with tiny hands, are the target audience so it's understandable

>>712696238
You're a retard. 90% of the time it is actually standardized. X/A is usually jump. R2/RT is usually acceleration in a car while L2/LT is breaking. O/B is usually Cancel or Dodge/Roll. Etc.
Sometimes devs flip some stuff around, which is the other 10%. But in those cases the game is either dogshit anyway or the devs are retarded. Such as Zelda putting jump on the top button.

Again, zoomer brain. Back in the day every single game had its own control scheme. Then it's wasn't 90% the same. Games like Mario, Call of Duty, Half Life, etc. had to come along and revolutionize controls and gameplay.

Fast forward to 2025 and brainlets complain there are 3 different sets of buttons despite everything copying dark souls anyways these days. Just learn the dark souls controls and you'll be set for every single modern action game.

>>712696536
snes controller was perfection, which is why sony copied it 1:1

>>712696659
https://youtu.be/mCv5Ofd5Sd4?si=m5oCj9M305YWJptI

>>712696807
kek

>>712695631
>1234
>new standard
before the XBOX layout won, 1234(as well as 5678 for shoulder buttons, 9 and 10 for select and start, and 11 and 12 for the stick clicks) was the PC standard, and many older PC games do indeed have PC controller prompts like "Btn3" instead of the current day glyphs

once MS took over the PC space, 1234 layout was the first to lose, some PC games even supported the ABCD layout(originally from NeoGeo controllers) some PC controllers had for longer than they did 1234

>>712695405 (OP)
I cannot learn how to use Microsoft controller having grown up with Nintendo.

Why did they abandon the color scheme over letters?

The playstation symbols make more sense and are more kino than the arbitrary letters of A, B, X, and Y.

>>712695615
this would be perfect if it also had PS icons
all 3 at once, and i'd buy it

>>712695405 (OP)
>be emuchad
>use same controller for all 3 (and more)

>>712695929
imagine being so stupid you think you're smart

>>712696249
x is the only one.

the point is if you have a giant stone triangle, people will think "haha that's the triangle button" if you have a giant A,B,X,Y, people will figure it out, but it will never be nearly as interesting. Unique symbols are always better.

>>712697116
It saves them $0.50 per controller when buttons are not colored

>>712697128
>arbitrary letters of A, B, X, and Y
they aren't arbitrary
they originally came from the SNES
if you open one of the earliest SNES controllers models, the shoulder buttons are labeled as C and Z on the PCB, which means the SNES had ABC XYZ, with the only buttons remaining on the exterior being ABXY
MS just copied that and swapped the order

>>712695405 (OP)
The Switch already did with the NESW notation.

>>712695405 (OP)
Everyone should just standardize with the xbox layout.
1. I personally think it's the best one. I like Y on top.
2. Shapes are stupid and make things hard to talk about. No triangle key on my keyboard.
3. Xbox isn't in Japan and can't claim any ownership over ABXY, so the other two can copy the layout without fear of lawsuits.
Sony should make the first move since their layout is the dumbest. Once those two are standardized Nintendo should be pressured to do the same.

>>712697363
Someone should make a controller with card suits for symbols instead
Or maybe fruits

>>712697390
they're arbitrary now in the sense that there is no reason for them and shoulder buttons have multiplied
R1/R2 is also better than "shoulder button" or "bumper" or "trigger" as well

>>712697390
Nintendo should be star, cloud, coin, mushroom

>>712697471
◯ △ X □

the standard should be NESW

>>712695405 (OP)
Games started just showing the actual button you had to press enlarged next to the other three for a bit dunno if they still do that

>>712695615
the cost of that hardware would have been much better spent on anti stick drift measures.

>>712695405 (OP)
Xbox and PS layouts are the same thing with different symbols. Nintendo are the odd ones out here.

>>712695405 (OP)
Only literal cave dwellers look at their controller to find out what button to press.
Literal non-issue after 10 minutes of play. Most games these days even let you customize what buttons show up, so you don't even have to memorize more than 1 layout.

>>712697516
i just wrote >>712697583

wouldn't it be cool if nintendo was star cloud coin mushroom?

top one is the star, left is the cloud, coin on the right, and the mushroom on the bottom like it growing out of the ground.

>>712695735
you dont
you just press a button combo and it does it

>>712697610
I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was hard. You had to google symbols and copy paste them into your comment or something.
And they look stupid. Look at how the circle and square aren't the right size.

>>712697471
>I like Y on top
it makes the most sense. Y axis is vertical, so Y on top; X axis is horizontal so X on the side.

Nintendo used to have this correct with the GC controller, but then fucked it up with the DS.

>>712697128
ABXY came from engineering design. It started with A and B on the NES.
>A = Primary
>B = Secondary
Then with the SNES they added 2 more buttons, X and Y.
>X = Tertiary
>Y = Quaternary
This is such basic shit you should know in life.

>>712697560
>R1/R2 is also better than "shoulder button" or "bumper" or "trigger" as well
that is true

>>712697642
it already has TMR sticks what the fuck more are you asking for

>>712697610
Not really. JP inputs go brrrr
Maru = ◯
Sankaku = △
Shikaku = □

>>712695405 (OP)
Go on, press x.

>>712695405 (OP)
>b nintendo
>A button on the outside and B button on the inside on literally every controller where they are both face buttons since the mid 80s
>other than gamecube controller, every controller with ABXY face buttons are in the same layout as the SNES controller, the first one to do it
Sounds like the standard is set, it's just xbox and sony don't want to follow it.

>>712697658
wrong, cause the original PS order(aka, as it was thought for Japanese people) is circle cross triangle square, so its the same as Nintendo
which makes even more sense when you consider the PS started as a CD addon for the SNES

>>712697723
except that's not the reason for x and y
it's just the reversed letters of the alphabet when you include c and z for the shoulders
how many times have you headcanoned some incorrect explanation for something and acted like a condescending fag about it? probably a lot

>>712697778
For >>712697716

>>712697610
>>712697778
It's 2 letters and 2 shapes.
X and O
Square and Triangle

>>712697839
It was merged with the international layout though.

>>712697807
perfect controller

>>712696656
I know that feel anon

>>712696173
This. Cardinal directions are the superior naming scheme.

>>712697875

>>712695405 (OP)
Sony > MS > Nintendo

>>712695908
Retard on both accounts. "Muh color" is baby tier. Who the shit needs colors to identify a letter? Also your thumb equally close to B and A on a controller numbnuts

>>712696173
Not bad, but how about
W
AD
S
If we're gonna standardize, let's get serious.

>>712695405 (OP)
>Why don't they just standardize this shit?
Sony wanted to be different, Sega layout was the best

>>712697998
You don't NEED color, but it helps sometimes.

>>712697931
what about shoulder buttons and stick clicks?
select and start?

>>712697516
HEHEHEHE

HEHEHEHE

although i guess this is kinda counterintuitive to the thread. its destandarizing it even more.

>>712697939
>>712697851
>when you include c and z for the shoulders
What the fuck are you talking about? The shoulder on the snes are l and r

>>712697101
Under the hood the system drivers abstract the buttons to "Button 1", "Button2"... The glyphs are irrelevant when it comes to supporting a controller.

>letters
>different letters
>symbols
get playstation off your twitter pic, retard

>>712695615
this device was entirely created for the purpose of getting clout on social media. it has no real practicality and no one that actually plays video games would need this. this retarded stuff is what normies do when they enter a hobby

>>712697390
>MS just copied that and swapped the order
They copied the Dreamcast, and Sega got to that layout by removing the Z and C buttons from the Saturn (because Sony showed them you don't need more than 4 buttons to be popular).

>>712698101
I use an xbox controller on PC and I couldn't even fucking tell you what the colors of the buttons are. That's how little of an impact it has.

>>712698165
when i said "this or that game supported this or that" i specifically meant the on screen prompts

Heh

>>712698268
A is green
B is red
I know those at least. A is always confirm and B is always cancel so the colors fit the buttons.

>>712698326
Ah, I understand. I never played super old PC games that support controllers. Can you give examples?

>>712698345
>IT'S CALLED THE CROSS BUTTON
>AND IT'S A CIRCLE, NOT AN O
-Sony nerds

>>712698268
>That's how little of an impact it has.
>it didn't impact me so it didn't impact anyone else
fucking retard
there are even some XBOX games which when they needed to display prompts in a smaller scale ditched the letters entirely and only used the colors, so yes, the colors had a huge impact

>>712695615
Pointless

>>712695405 (OP)
>4 face buttons on each company’s system
>not standardized
Why are you stupid?

>>712695405 (OP)
COMPETITION BREEDS INOVATION REEEE

We should have a controller that has the Xbox letters inside playstation shapes for labels instead
>but what about swi-
lmfao

>>712695615
Am i supposed to be impressed? Just one more useless component to break.

>>712695929
>press a…
>Press a what?! What??!

>>712698206
You can use it to idle in games that require long playtimes as proof of reward.

>>712695405 (OP)
which way white man?

>>712695405 (OP)
The truth of the matter is that the only thing that matters is that the buttons are distinct from one another. Whether or not they "make sense" doesn't matter. Once you've memorized them, no one thinks twice about pressing each button.

This is why MS and Sony suck for refusing to not just use the Nintendo layout, since that was what everyone was familiar with. By adding new variations all they did was make it more difficult for people to memorize layouts, since now there are multiple layouts to memorize. Fuck MS in particular for making it close to Nintendo's but not the same. That just makes it harder to switch back and forth.

>>712696238
This moron still has to look down at his controller like some 70 year old boomer when a game says “press X”. Wtf is wrong with you

>>712698497
>there are even some XBOX games which when they needed to display prompts in a smaller scale ditched the letters entirely and only used the colors,
What fucking game even has this problem? Shit during the nes days didnt even need do this

>>712698703
The real cause why they didn't use the same layout was the legal fiction called copyright.

because then they have to pay royalties

>>712695929
>game says to press any button
>press bellybutton
>nothing happens

>>712695615
>Needs normiephone app to switch because chink probably couldn't gut the shell to make a button for it
>moving part so guaranteed to break down the line
>was posted on social media for clout more than likely
Into the trash

>>712698681
>white
>not using card suits
>not using medieval symbolism

>>712698423
it aint super old. xbox glyphs won cause xbox controllers had this really nice looking colored buttons that everyone came to love.
1234 lost cause the controllers themselves only had 1234 on the buttons, 5 to 12 were anyone's guess. each controller company assigned them by random. you had to go into settings and keep trying buttons and reassigning things. actually they made reassigning buttons in pc games a standard just because of this.
so if you want to find old games, then go try games that came out after n64 but before xbox 360.

>>712698703
there's only 2 layouts to memorize, non-nintendo and nintendo even though nintendo was on board during gamecube

>>712698975
>nintendo and non nintendo
Huh? So are you just pretending that sony and xbox contrillers have the button labels?

>>712698482
its actually the multiplication symbol

>>712695405 (OP)
ENTER

>>712695405 (OP)
Nintendo created the layout first. Others just copied it.

>>712697720
GC controller was an anomaly. They realized their games used a single button 80% of the time and designed a controller based on that.
It lost to the PS2 anyway so they went back to the SNES layout.

>>712699081
>Kidney buttons
>The best control stick with notched grooves for precise inputs
>pressure sensitive shoulder buttons with click function

>>712699053
>So are you just pretending that sony and xbox contrillers have the button labels?
they're where they're supposed to be at least
t. NES startout, SNES skipper

>>712699081
I loved the gamecube buttons. You knew exactly which button was which because of the shapes.

>>712699081
Literal Fisher-Price controller LMAO!

there is actually a very interesting reason why snes controller is colored the way it is.
imagine a painting of japan.
in the east is where the rising sun resides.
in the north is the blue sky.
in the west is where the grass is painted, right next to you.
in the south, on the ground, is filled with a bunch of yellow skins.

>>712699259
>can differentiate between x and y based on their shape
guess you never played gamecube games while lying on your side and being sleepy, trying to finish a level.

>>712699064
Anon...

>>712699217
pick up the switch online controller if you feel like paypigging for nintendo, it's pretty much what it should have been: it's a wireless gamecube controller with USB-C charging, a rumble motor, a better d-pad and z button, and original sticks

>>712698482
>AND IT'S A CIRCLE, NOT AN O
Absolutely nobody calls it the "O" button

>>712698936
When I asked for examples, I wanted you to name games.

>>712698345
>the one thing that unites us is the "close game" button
damn powerful

>playing with a switch pro controller on pc
>every game thinks it's an xbox controller
>so a=b, b=a, x=y, y=x
>okay, so let's reassign them on steam
>cardinal position is still off so UI elements are always reversed
i fucking love the switch pro controller but hate how it all plays out when using it on PC

>>712699587
anon-tachi-tama...

>>712699781
set it so steam doesn't reverse your inputs, it's a specific option to not use the nintendo layout. i have that shit turned off and have ever since it was an option, completely retarded to mess with cardinal button placement just so the legends match up

>>712699681
360 came out in 2005 and its games started coming in around 2008 and it was a year or so before we got proper controller support for them
I aint remember no nothing from back then
go search your steam library by year
go search youtube for gameplay first impressions and filter by year

>>712699781
you look down what button to press when you play games? are you a girl or a kid?

>No Doug button.

>>712700049
are you retarded? that's not what he said at all.

>>712695908
>colorless
It's not cause they think it's a good design, it's just cheaper to manufacture. It's the Nintendo way.

>>712695615
okay now make it switch the stick and dpad positions on the fly

>>712695405 (OP)
enter

>>712700320
I've never found this to be a useful feature, the Xbox controller shape on pretty much all controllers out of China means your thumbs are slamming against eachother if put into a symmetrical layout (see NYXI Flexi pictured), and on a Playstation shaped controller like the Tarantula Pro "why would you even want that" is a legitimate question to ask because both d-pad and stick are comfortable to reach in their normal orientation.

>>712700452
surprisingly forward-thinking layout unironically
>upgraded SNES pad with six buttons if held on the left and right sticks
>Z button replaces L when holding the middle stick
>comfort in either orientation is paramount

>>712700570
It was a shitty design where they tried to hedge their bets on the control stick by making it possible to use the D pad instead.

>>712695908
>>colorless
No.

>>712700782
3D analog controls weren't something nintendo was completely confident in and they wanted a fallback, it's not a shitty design if it fulfills its intended purpose

>>712695405 (OP)
As a Nintenchad, i fucking hate playing a game on PC and discover the buttons are all upside down, but just some remap and everything is ok. That's a lot better compared to the travesty the snoy controllers are, and im convinced they keep that shit just for the sake of being contrarian faggots

Standards sucks, like this thread

>>712700852
Like I said, they hedged their bets. But with hindsight they should have gone all-in on the control stick.

>>712695405 (OP)
>tfw have to mod in ps prompts into 90% of games even ps ports

>>712700890
never forgetti that sony wasn't confident at first either

>>712700834
this seems a to be a legit 2009 meme, home...

>>712695405 (OP)
they have
the internal development standard is to label the north, south, east, and west
brand labels wait until you're ready to ship

>>712698165
>Under the hood the system drivers abstract the buttons to "Button 1", "Button2"...
This actually isn't true anymore because the vast majority of developers dropped DirectInput support years ago, and thanks to XInput being standard and built into Windows, games are actually specifically looking for "Xbox 360 Controller Button A/Hat Switch Up/X+/etc" and it is awful.

>>712700898
>mod in ps prompts for witcher 3
>play the game
>go eat lunch
>come back to see the controller has timed out
>hold the ps button to turn it on
>turns on my ps4 instead
>have to go through the whole pairing process again
its not even worth modding in the prompts.

>>712696173
N is blue for Cold/Winter
S is red for Hot/Summer
E is Green because "Jade Oriental" vibes of Eastern Asia and Hemisphere
W is yellow for sunsets and wild west vibes.
>inb4 "b-but that's too americanized!"
third worlder opinions don't matter

>>712701309
>he thinks eu standardized controller glyphs are gonna be anything but sovlless gray

>>712695405 (OP)
ENTER

>>712701252
Just abstrack it with sdl, it'll be fine.

>>712701362
>a button to either say out loud what button you prssed or to play a fun tune
sovl overload

>>712701302
w3 was a fucking pain in the ass with this shit
I had to jump through hoops with ds4 windows but I didn't need mods I think
steam input is a curse

>>712695405 (OP)
Different controller layouts are literally the final vestige of soul in this increasingly homogenized, miserable fucking industry. Stay away from my controllers.

>>712701362

This layout is perfect for fighting games unironically

they fucking fired me

This is the superior layout

>>712701627
look. the bottom button is for attacking things, so it's a black club. the top button is your menu so it's a diamond because it's taking control of things like the plumbob over a guy's head in the sims. the red heart and white spade point in opposite directions, making left and right automatically 'up and down' analogues if the shoulder buttons are already used.

>>712697363
Letters are unique symbols.
Triangles and squares are found everywhere.

>>712701902
>Triangles [...] are found everywhere
HE KNOWS TOO MUCH

>>712700957
Lol that people still gaslight themselves into defending the shitty Sony stick layout when it's literally not how the controller was designed to be used. They literally just bolted some sticks on the bottom despite the controller being designed for your thumb to be placed on the dpad.

>>712702005
that's mostly because sony shamelessly nabbed the SNES pad design

i'll also add that the dualshock makes absolute perfect sense for the purposes of its sticks, one used at a time and not both at once, something xbox and nintendo would both later cotton on with putting the left stick first forward but the right stick is still lower for ancillary functions. dualshock is an amazing design for supporting both 3D and 2D games, both the d-pad and left stick are natural resting positions for the left thumb

>>712701567
I liked namco's and SNK's refusal to adopt the six button layout, it should be the standard I feel.

>>712695615
For anyone still curious. This is the Gamesir Tarantula Pro. It's a fantastic controller, not just for this feature.

>>712702164
shame the d-pad sucks
omron switches tongue my anus

>>712702164
buy and ad

Xbox is by far the most retarded and it's a shame that it became the default for PC
>Mixed up Nintendo layout just to make it confusing
>RB/RT instead of something simple and intuitive like R1/R2 or R/ZR
>Don't even have start/select just some weird "menu" and "view" shit

>>712695992
what you need it to say press right thumb stick

>>712698482
its times dickhead

>>712695615
>>712702164
just get some fucking button stickers. draw some shapes over the letters or something. god damn

>>712698849
I have that controller and switching is as simple as holding down two buttons althoughbeit. No need for an app.

>>712702125
what you been smoking

the literal only times this has EVER been a problem for me is when i've emulated switch games but used an xbox controller

>>712702125
>both the d-pad and left stick are natural resting positions for the left thumb

>>712703032
>>712702829
What kinda fucking mutants are you that you have problems with Dualshock symmetrical controllers

>you realise that sony buttons are numbered
>you realise that nintendo and sony has the same layout
go

>>712695405 (OP)
Sony's makes the most sense.

Just need to change it back to O for confirm and X for cancel.

>>712703056
The playstation controller was literally designed to not have your left thumb bent in that position, because at launch it was just a ripoff of the SNES controller. The thumbsticks were added latter at an awkward unusable location because Sony panicked at the release of Super Mario 64 overnight making thumbsticks mandatory controller features and had to rush out something with thumbsticks. The dpad is where it is on the SNES controller (and thus Playstation controller) because that is the natural neutral resting point of the thumb. Thus that is where you place the primary input, which in 2D games is the dpad. But in 3D games the primary input is now the stick. And since 3d is the primary way to play games now, Nintendo, Microsoft, and every third party outfit smartly put the joystick where the primary input would go. Sony however fucked themselves over with the PS2, because when they didn't change the controller design, they locked in their stupid jerry-rigged design as part of their "brand image" and now can't change it even if they want to. There's a reason that when controllers became commonplace on the PC, zero of them used the Sony stick layout. The only things that use the Sony layout are retro controllers where you're not actually expected to use the stick in gameplay.

Controllers were doing fine until S*ny came along.

>>712703314
Tilting my thumb's resting position three degrees to the right is not "unusable" you disgusting animal

>>712695516
It's literally only Nintendo that has this problem.
Every other console does it the other way because fucking DOI, SEGA got it right
XYZ
ABC
Ideally everyone will stop this faggot shit and move to the Cardinal system to refer to face buttons since we're not getting Six again.
NESW is the most correct way to refer to to the four face buttons since it
>CAN ONLY HAVE ONE CORRECT LAYOUT SO NOBODY DOES ANY RETARDED FAGGOT SHIT like slapping the alphabet on fucking backwards
>Wouldn't even require you to check your controller because it just tells you what direction face button to press.

I am a PC _ fat and I love setting the glyphs to playstation. they are most comfy

>>712696043
There's a lot of cope, but the actual reason is because in order
O = 1 Line
X = 2 Lines
▶= 3 Lines
[]= 4 Lines

Honestly, my only issue is when game developers are unrepentant niggers and don't allow you to fully customize the controls.

>>712695405 (OP)
I grew up with nintendo and snoy, im using a third party snoy controller for my pc, and yet the xbox pattern seems the most natural for me. Its like second nature, I know where to press when the game says the A button, or even Y, yet I have to check where the random shit like square or triangle is (despite it being there on my controller)
In fact I had to look and check it now because I legitimately forgot that I was using a PS layout
but to be fair it might be because i was using xenia a lot recently

>>712695405 (OP)
ps and nintendo are different enough it's not a problem, xbox is just being retarded on purpose

>>712702128
4 buttons should be the standard and then expanded with back buttons.

>90% of this thread is zoomers that can't remember button layouts
we're so fucked

>>712695405 (OP)
Remember when Triangle was the cancel button in a lot of games?

Xbox is the most intuitive. You can remember where X and Y are by knowing that are on the X or Y axis, respectively.

>>712695405 (OP)
On PC, the xbox layout is the default, and there are more PC players than all console players combined, so Xbox style wins by popularity.

xinput won

>>712703820
Of all the completely warranted shit microsoft deserves for fucking up
>Not doing anything with their shameless Dreamcast controller knock off, not even VMUs, just sticking a mostly pointless memory card that basically had and went ridiculously unused in Xbox games in said slots
>Preventing the standardization of gyro in controllers which should have happened in fucking 2005
>Introducing a retard tax for using your own internet on a console
>Completely fucking up controllers and what you can do with them on PC for years with the Xinput standard (WHICH LITERALLY FUCKING EXISTS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO FORCE PC GAMERS TO BUY A FUCKING 360 CONTROLLER)
>Enabling SCUF and Corsair to be patent trolling niggers and ensuring any controller with buttons on the back is an extra $100 because you have to pay a retard tax TO THEM for a patent they should have never been issued.
I CANNOT fault them for NOT deciding to have the inputs on the controller be the alphabet backwards, even if this is again, probably only because they just ripped off the Dreamcast Controller for the Duke and all derived controllers

>>712704019
What even is the difference between xinput and dinput? It's just button presses at the end of the day.

>>712695908
>The Nintendo layout is fucking retarded

Everyone is copying Nintendo's layout you retarded zoomer baby.

Also, Switch 2 let's you swap A and B around in the system settings.

>>712695405 (OP)
>Y on the Y axis
>X on the X axis
>A is the lowest bottom letter
>B is the higher letter next to A
Xbox controller just makes sense.

>>712704193
retard

>>712702164
>Gamesir
The one i had before (T4 pro) fucking no longer connects to its own dongle and melted a USB cable i left it on overnight.

>>712695405 (OP)
its only annoying when i play a japanese game and the x/o is switched because gooks don't see X as a confirmation but as a cancel and the O as confirmation

>>712704193
Xinput as a standard basically forces you to assume an Xbox 360 controller as a floor.
>I want more but
No
>I want a whee
No, your wheel is only going to be able to output a fixed amount of input as a Left Stick
The old standard, Direct Input let you define a totally arbitrary amount of axis and buttons
It may have been expanded later, but this was post Steam Input, so nobody gave a shit.

>>712704196
>>Everyone is copying Nintendo's layout
>both playstation and xbox have the bottom button as confirm and right button as cancel

>>712701627
thats mostly because of the white spades, which is a symbol of bbc, not the idea itself.

>>712701957
I honestly dont know if you are a bot or making an ironic joke, but still it was funny this time

>>712704129
tldr
I dunno man I'm just used to original yxba since snes, unlike people who just started in xbox era

Why do we even have other controllers now when Xbox solved controllers with the xbone.
It has the best fit for hands, best button placement, best shoulder buttons, best sticks, and best directional pad. Its literally perfection and can play every controller game there is.

>>712695405 (OP)
Why doesn't xbauks do something more unique(without being pantsu on head retarded with the white/nigger buttons)

>>712695405 (OP)
You guys don't actually have trouble remembering which buttons are where do you? It's like flipping a switch, you should be able to just know.

>>712704548
The tldr is you're a fucking retard and nintendo didn't remotely own the "standard" back then.
Hell this pretending to be an oldfag shit isn't even functional since it was only the layout on the Snes and the DS.
Every other Nintendo controller afterwards had a completely arbitrary layout
>N64 swaps B and Y with it being some kind of inbred retard baby trying to have two DPADs and six face buttons
>Gamecube again switches B and Y and doesn't have standard cardinals
>DS comes out and
>WII
>WII U begrudgingly has "standard" because it's a Big DS
>Nintendo gives up at this point and drops the sticks on top layout because they needed the Switch Controllers to stay the same layout when you take them off the switch (Something you'll do maybe twice)
>Can't even label the buttons anymore because of how much of a fucking mess the Switch is instead showing you THE ENTIRE FUCKING CARDINAL as a glyph.

>>712704246
Ok, thanks.

>>712704334
So what exactly then mapped one controller definitions to another? Say you wanted to map the rough equivalent of North face button on all controllers to some actions.

>>712704970
tldr
never said about standard, xbox controllers are shit

>>712695405 (OP)
playstation geometry shapes are provably supperior to any lettering because its universal aby are not universal in all languages

>>712704193
Off topic but did the manga ever mentioned who fucked the girl in that gif seeing as she laid an egg and all?

>>712698026
>WASD for face buttons
Nigga stop

>>712705263
Anon.... Do chickens lay eggs without fertilization?

>>712705082
>Direct Input
You punch in whatever buttons you want set up in the menu in game or in a config file and [Input] does [Thing].
>Xinput
Predefined layout says Y button does [Thing].
>Steam Input
Game can do [Thing] Steam Input correlates that do whatever the user has defined as their typical [Do Thing] button, as possible it can also tell the game what Glyphs to use for [Input].

I hate Xbox button names. Nobody calls them "bumpers". Whatever smug fucking asshole thought it was appropriate to use labels "LB/LT/RB/RT" needs to go right to hell. Absolutely impossible to read and react to at high speeds.

>>712705405
I was thinking more in the sense of having sane defaults. If you need to navigate the menus to reach the settings and rebind, how do you guarantee that the buttons to navigate are sane?

>>712705537
IMO Steam input handles this best since doesn't have the GAME assume anything about the user's input device layout.
It's basically the "upside" to xinput by having a standard to expect from user devices, but also moving config to a one and done outside of the game itself.
It's already an ideal layout since the user defines it, and as stated, Steam Input can both state what set of glyphs to use or directly feed the glyphs into the game.

>>712695516
And the consumer loses how? Meaningless differences just to have your own product is such horseshit and should be abolished. Just like how chargers all got fucked by USB-C which should have happened a long time ago.

>>712702164
Never buying chink shit. Buy an ad.

>>712695405 (OP)
Sony isn't even standardised across PlayStation...
Some regions have swapped Cross and Circle.

>>712695405 (OP)
>playing game on pc
>game on controller
>QTE comes up
>tells me to push a button
>brain goes blank and goes with instinct
>see nothing happening
>die
>find out I was hitting the wrong button the entire time

>>712695405 (OP)
Why doesn't Nintendo just patent having controller buttons labelled after alphabet letters to force Xbox to change

>>712704349
>playstation have the bottom button as confirm and right button as cancel
Do they?
Because Circle is confirm on PlayStation idiot...

>>712699081
I hate this shit (and the N64 controller more so) becuase I have to keep changing the button mappings when I emulate on PC. no I will not shell out for a dedicated controller

>>712705203
No one cares about African shit languages and Asians all universally know English better than most Americans.

>>712705960
I mean sort of being fair, most of the issue was that Micro USB was a big fat fucking mistake and up until USB-C we probably never should have moved from Mini-USB for peripheral devices
IIRC, the pinouts were the same between Micro and Mini, so literally it was loading up controllers with a piece of shit connector way more prone to breaking for zero benefit.

>>712695615
Hyperautism.

>>712695405 (OP)
nobody looks at their controller before they press a button

>>712706294
Which is why it's a problem when the problem child on the left decides to do it completely wrong.

>>712706294
When I'm driving I look down at my feet before I leave the lights so I know to press the gas pedal

>>712705862
It's a shame Steam Input is fucking buggy if you try to do anything more complicated. Not to mention native Steam Input hides alternative control methods. I forget what game it was, but because it used native Steam Input, I couldn't bind trackpad as a circular scrollwheel.
I have a love/hate relationship with it

>>712706658
My only issue I've had with it so far has been it not respecting my setting of not requiring a press on my steam controller to send left trackpad inputs, and somehow I've completely deleted the entire menu for the desktop configuration for my PS4 controller.

>>712698206
>this device was entirely created for the purpose of getting clout on social media
Or just to make something for the fun of it. Projects like that are fun and there is a lot of stuff to learn along the way. When I was just doing some fucking around with an arduino and electronics prototyping I made dice a handful of ways. Wanted to learn how to run some 7-segment displays, shift registers, and an IC that was specific to running 7-segment displays. Yeah sure I could have just bought some dice but that wasn't really the point. I was just having some fun and building stuff and learning how these things work.

>>712703351
Sony merely copied Nintendo's layout. (And made it worse.) But indeed, six face buttons are essential for proper fightan.

>>712706960
That's a commercial product you toad.

>>712706787
Yeah, known issue
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/10714

been using xbox controller layout for the past 5 years, and i still can't remember the layout, wdym RB/RT LB/LT, good thing i didn't play a lot of game with QTE

Xbox got it right
>X on the X axis
>Y on the Y axis
Gamecube was even better
>Z on the Z axis
then nintendo took stupid pills

>>712707082
Not the issue I'm having but good to know.
I mean specifically using it as a DPAD, not to correlate to a radial menu.

>>712695405 (OP)
For XB>PS its easy for me. But for XB>NINTENDO its super annoying. I manually map the A/B (aka the "OK/Cancel") to the proper way in emulators (i.e. A, Xbox, Ok so the nintendo emulator thinks I'm pressing "B", and vice versa). Still sucks for on-screen displays though, so I still always get them mixed up.

>>712695864
some japanese games still use O as confirm and X as back

How much of a brainlet do you have to be to get filtered by different button placement between platforms? Are you actually looking at your controller like a fucking 40 year old aunt picking it up for the first time?

>>712696395
Only times it ever tripped me up was back when every seemingly ever action game under the sun back in the mid 2000s was adding QTEs to games and since I was swapping between the Xbox 360 and Wii/Wii U I would flub them.

>>712707019
Oh. So then it wasn't for social media clout, it was to make a product?

>>712707217
One controller could potentially swap south and east for menus.
The other just has it completely fucked by swapping both south and east, and north and west at all times
>I'M REALLY REALLY SMART AND I'M PRETENDING TO NOT NOTICE WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM
You aren't.

>>712707408
Retard.

>>712707217
the hard truth that we have to accept is that /v/ fucking sucks at videogames

>>712707217
The irony is that the button labels don't even mean anything since the placement is universal and all that matters. Only the GC fucked with people with their button layout.

>>712707217
>Playing God Hand
>Go to reassing my attacks
>Get the assignment perfect
>Press east to go back
>Game reorders the combo because north is for going back while south and east both assign.

>>712695405 (OP)
People have to admit that playstation is the best and most iconic in this specific area right

>>712700461
>the Xbox controller shape on pretty much all controllers out of China means your thumbs are slamming against eachother if put into a symmetrical layout (see NYXI Flexi pictured)
this is such a non issue for a lot of people
as example, i rest the tip of my thumbs on the sticks when i play, not the base, so my thumbs would never slam into each other unless the sticks themselves would, which they dont on the NYXI Flexy.

my only true complaint about that controller is that the dpad and left stcik swapping is effectively useless:
want to play a nintendo game? keep the asymmetrical design, swap the face buttons as needed, good to go.
want to play an xbox/pc game? keep the asymmetrical design, swap the face buttons as needed, good to go.
want to play a PS game? swap dpad and left stick for a symmetrical desgn, swa- oh wait, there's no fucking PS buttons!
so the only cases where you actually would want a symmetrical design is left incomplete
4 more small plastic pieces in the box and this controller would have been perfect for everyone in all scenarios

>>712702164
>>712695615
Highly unnecessary. Just make it a replaceable faceplate with captive button caps. Costs a fraction to supply every unit with the 3 major layouts. Well technically 2, since Nintendo things are supposed to be exclusive anyhow.

>>712695615
This is beyond hilariously pathetic.

>>712695405 (OP)
Xbox was in the right. PS is still the most memorable and iconic though

>>712708432
I mean it's not hard to be the most iconic when you're the only one using actual icons.

i always confuse x and y
if nintendo swapped x and y it would be as perfect as playstation one

>>712708108
>4 more small plastic pieces in the box and this controller would have been perfect for everyone in all scenarios
and i just found out there IS 4 more buttons in the box, but guess what? they're fucking ABXY replacement in case you "lose" the ones already on the controller...
fucking retarded

>>712708432
I just think playstation icons are cooler because of how they can be presented in games. KH2 has the iconic green glowing triangle reaction commands

>>712708432
>>712708618
You're over thinking it.
Sega Solved this.
XYZ
ABC

xbox and playstation should combine forces. green circle on the bottom, red x on the right, yellow square on top, and blue triangle on the left. nintendo can do fuck themselves.

>>712708771
It's a non-issue for xbox/playstation since the two have mutually exclusive glyphs

>>712695405 (OP)
was I the only kid who was peeved that the attack button, square, was colored pink? pic unrelated

X Rising

>>712702219
stop using adblock

>>712695405 (OP)
It doesn't matter. The glyphs on the buttons are almost totally irrelevant once you're used to the game. Functions tend to be mapped to the same relative positions regardless of glyph. Jump is almost always the bottom button, intermediate utilities like attacking or using items are mapped to the two middle buttons, with roughly equal priority, and tertiary functions are assigned to the top button, because it's almost impossible to comfortably press the bottom button and top button in quick succession, and almost impossible to do simultaneously.

That's a product of the layout, and of the ubiquity of multiplatform games. Nintendo first party games staunchly keep jump on A, but everything else has conformed with the other two platforms.

>>712708735
I just associate y with "up-down" and x with "left-right". It's different with the sega controllers since the buttons aren't aligned in the 4 cardinal directions

>>712709189
Go look at a dreamcast controller you silly billy

>>712703314
>And since 3d is the primary way to play games now
Nuh huh, in 2025 most games are still 2d

>>712695405 (OP)
>Nintendo does BAYX because it's alphabetical and Japan sometimes reads right to left
>Microsoft does ABXY because it's alphabetical and USA reads left to right
>Sony says "fuck it" and picks the Japanese X = "NO", O = "YES" symbols alongside triangle and square, generic shapes that Japan uses for placeholders sometimes.
>third party companies used to use numbers

Eh, there's not really a lot you can do to standardize them, as there's no objectively correct pick (other than maybe depending on what country you're in).

>>712695405 (OP)
pc also have its own buttons but even worse since they are not standardize and could appear in any order

>>712709352
Dreamcast controller doesn't have the Z or C buttons, so I assumed that anon was talking about controllers like Saturn or Genesis.
Even then, Dreamcast controller has the correct X and Y placement

>>712709448
?siht ekil sgniht etirw yeht kniht uoy dedrater os uoy era reggiN

>>712709612
When writing vertically, some Japanese is written right to left, nigga.
Also I'm shocked I can still read backwards, ha.

>>712695405 (OP)
It pays to not be retarded. If you can't memorize these layouts then I don't know how you're able to complete video games

>>712704623
The dpad placement sucks and your thumb will feel like shit after 12 hours of gaming

>>712709448
>Sony says "fuck it" and picks the Japanese X = "NO", O = "YES" symbols alongside triangle and square, generic shapes that Japan uses for placeholders sometimes.
sony used their symbols following the same logic of nintendo
the PS started as a CD player add on for the SNES(pic related) and they used the SNES controller.
when they moved onto turning it into their own console, they kept the nintendo layout, but had do use different button namings
nintendo layout
A = button 1 = circle = 1 line
B = button 2 = cross = 2 lines
X = button 3 = triangle = 3 lines
Y = button 4 = square = 4 lines

>>712709448
Well Sony for certain is the objectively INCORRECT pick. Fucking retarded symbols have two enormous flaws
1: Keyboard don't have triangle or square keys.
2: Tri-ang-le and cir-cle are multi-syllable words. A, B, X, Y, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are all single syllable words. This slows down communication. The fact everybody calls the Playstation "Cross" an "X" proves that we naturally want to simplify. (Open up a playstation controller, the PCB will have "cross" marked on it. Not "X".)

>>712696169
A light, inexpensive TV console with games made to utilize its weaker hardware to its fullest potential would be cool to see. Something like an Atari VCS, but based on ARM, sold at an affordable price, and has the ability to play something other than shitty 2600 remakes.

>>712710056
No need to make something new, just pick one that already exists and have everyone use it.

But why X and Y
You started with A and B
The Logic would be to continue with C and D
Why X Y? I need this forbidden vidya history knowledge
I know SNES was the first. And people saying its the Axis but the Y should be on top then.

>>712710221
If you look at a Saturn controller it suddenly just makes sense

>>712710221
The buttons are in 2 pairs in the original SNES controller. AB and CD pairs are boring, but AB and XY pairs are cool

>>712710221

People don't ACTUALLY have trouble remembering buttons when switching between consoles... do they? I mean I had trouble playing one of my games from when I was a kid that had the camera tied to the left analog stick and movement tied to the right analog stick, it felt like I was having a stroke, but I can't imagine the same being true for "bottom button is confirm" vs "right button is confirm"

>>712710221
>I know SNES was the first.
Genesis actually came first.
Including having a 6 button controller iirc.

>>712710546
The mega drive 6 button controller came later in the system's life cycle.
Pretty sure it was for street fighter 2 which was super popular and very awkward to play with 3 buttons. You had to use the pause button to change the ABC from kick to punch.

>>712710221
Probably to make the new buttons feel more special. You name them C and D and it's obvious they're extra buttons, but name them X and Y and they suddenly have a mystique to them. Also because Genesis' extra button was named C and Nintendo likely didn't want to be seen as "catching up" to Sega.

>>712710169
Then everyone but the company/inventor/person/country you pick gets mad.
In the case of controllers, it means you'd have a lot of players struggle to remember and adjust to the changes, then you'd have to change all your software and do reprints of all your controllers, which just eats up time and money you'd probably wanna spend on something more useful and lucrative.

It was actually really funny in that USB was one of the few things that actually succeeded, Apple got FURIOUS when the govts out there started forcing them to switch to USB because they make a fuckload of money off selling all their overpriced accessories and cables and shit.
They tried doing the stone-faced corporate entity thing to make it look like they weren't mad, but they mad, heh.

>>712709673
>Also I'm shocked I can still read backwards
Same. Very surprising how little effort that required.

They could simply do this, just different icons depending on controller.

What needs to be standardized is aim sensitivity. I have having to use mouse sensitivity calculators to get the sensitivity right.

I Quake Engine or Source games I can simply use the same value I use for other games.

>>712698120
Same sort of thing that shows what button on the controller to press without having to memorize different layouts.

Is this really a problem for people? You just need to remember that you flip the buttons if you're playing a Nintendo game

>>712698885
vgh..........
powerfvl.......................

>>712695615
Could you really not just have some overlapping LEDs instead of an entire rotary function

>>712695615
Yeah I have it. The fidget spinner is actually pointless, and the actual feature here is that it also rebinds the buttons so that when A is on the right, it's actually on the right and will send A even in xboner mode. So you just set the spinner to your preferred layout and then never touch it again. Or you let it spin depending on what platform you connect to, which defeats the point.
I don't give a shit about any of this and can mentally adapt easily enough, so I just dimmed all possible leds in software and don't see any letters on it at all. But the real problem is the fucking d-pad.

>>712695405 (OP)
It literally is, nigger.

>>712695992
That's a playstation issue. xbawx does LS RS

>>712697931
I hate this shit. It's always way too small

>>712695405 (OP)
copyrigt

>>712695405 (OP)
The fact that the 360 pad worked with pc first basically standardised Xbox as the default control scheme. Since pcs are ascendant and consoles are dead, In a decade or two I don't think anyone will know what sonys format is.

>>712695405 (OP)
Who cares? It's only bad the first time you are reading the button the game is asking after that you just memorize the position

>>712713779
You mean flip buttons if you're playing a non-Nintendo game

>>712695615
Nobody actually looks to the key to press it, so this is useless

>>712701567
Well yeah, fighting games are for babies.

While we're at it game companies need to decide once and for all which part of the options menu subtitles go under

>>712701627
Weird my mom has that spade tattoo'd on her shoulder.

>>712695405 (OP)
Karaoke in Yakuza Zero Switch 2 is a nightmare because of it.
>not colored
>no unique symbols
>exactly the same letters as xbox but in completely different places
I got called tone deaf in the obligatory intro sequence.

>>712695405 (OP)
PC games are already standardizing by giving you an option to show which button icons you want to see. Even though I hate using sonyshit controllers, I'll still pick a playstation layout EVERY fucking time.
Honestly, shitendo is the absolute worst fucking one. They fucked up right at the SNES era. Y should be up and X should be left due to how graphs work.

>>712717078
Games should have an option to choose different button prompts, even on consoles.
>b-b-but it's illegal to use Sony buttons on Nintendo!
Project Diva on Switch has an option to use Sony button prompts.

Nintendo prompts are generally the most confusing to me.

>>712695929
it said "A" but you pressed "a", you have to either activate caps lock or hold down shift while pressing it.

X button belongs on the left side. Top and bottom X button is an abomination

>>712695405 (OP)
>Why don't they just standardize this shit?

>>712719057
Actually axis in blender are arbitrary.

>>712719057
desu apparently Unreal is actually switching

>>712695615
This is pointless I'm not looking at my button labels I'm getting fucked by muscle memory

>>712719057
Z up makes the most sense though. X and Y are coordinates on a flat plane, therefore Z is the altitude in 3D space. Why are all the upper row engines completely pants on head retarded?

>>712697807
Finally I can say Jason.

>>712719569
Z has always been depth (in other words back and forward), while X is left-right, and Y is up-down.

>>712706180
It's only 200 dollaars your not a poorcuck are you

>>712713778
no shit
my question was exactly how would such design look like, cause it's easy with face buttons since the glyph can show all 4 with just one full, but with shoulders and start/select you cant really do that

>>712719749
>okay, we move laterally across the ground to coordinates 1234 X, 5678 Y on the map
>ackshually you meant 1234 X and 5678 Z?
Which one sounds right?

I don't give a fuck, I don't look at my controller, but the prompts on screen.
I know the layouts well. I'm only sometimes confused if they use blue X prompts but it's fairly obvious these days. Last time I had trouble with that was Yakuza 0.

>>712695516
The Xbox controller is the shittiest controller i had to use in my gaming life.

>>712719569
>X and Y are coordinates on a flat plane
and the flat plane is upright

>>712710169
like UTC?

>>712697101
>Not A B C D
Fuck North Americans, the tumors of videogames.

>>712695405 (OP)
>PS
It's fine it's just symbols, even though it's weird that they have the confirm button in their language (not ours! Their Jap language) to the right while no is to the bottom. I would have reversed it.
Xbox/Nintendo is the stupid one. Same button names, except AB and XY are switch. I always get it confuse on which is which, and it's really annoying.
>>712702164
>no turbo
No buyo

>>712701362
>has a unique sound for inputting the Konami code
soul

>>712695405 (OP)
I don't care what's on the buttons, but all four buttons must serve the same or similar navigation function.

I've hardly owned every nintendo platform, so I don't know if they fully got the memo yet.

>>712695405 (OP)
try playing the ubisoft re4 pc port, its quite fun

>>712719198
There is no way that is happening. It would break so much shit.

The first, the best.

>>712709958
Uhhh, Xbox series S?

>>712695405 (OP)
nintendo and xbox are irrelevant.

>>712695615
>a fucking flimsy rotating piece of garbage
why not just have a small lcd in the button that you can change what it shows on the face

>>712695405 (OP)
same reason americans dont use the same units like the rest of the world

>>712695405 (OP)
Why do literal fags want everything to be one and the same across all of gaming.
Have you not noticed how watered down and samey everything feels as it is? Having quirks and differences is one of the things that can incentivize making different styles of games, or button mappings that make more symbolic sense on one layout vs the other. Like on Nintendo the "main" button should usually be A, even though it's the same as the "back" button on Xbox. That will make devs think differently if they make a Switch exclusive game, and that frees up the mind to make something unorthodox.

I hate all you cough-slouching asshats who think gaming should be 100% convenient, easy, and that there's only one type of game that's "correct" or some shit. You're the reason why gaming is becoming so faceless.

>>712699587
No one ever uses that symbol because it's too easy to confuse with a decimal point.

>>712695615
My mayflash adapter does this better.

>>712695405 (OP)
The A button being in the bottom was a huge fucking mistake. The bottom button is already overtaxed; making it also the menu confirm button is too much.

>>712695405 (OP)
so-called "consoles" have already become homogenized by ditching unique hardware architectures in favor of becoming glorified PCs, and you want to homogenize them further? they need things to stand out or the companies may as well disintegrate into being 3rd party developers for PC (which i would absolutely welcome)

>>712718231
It doesn't even need to be symbols it can be colors for all i care, say i choose the "S-Color" layout, i know exactly where the green, pink, red and blue are, that's enough.

>>712695405 (OP)
Fear of patent trolling

>>712695405 (OP)
>nintendo uses B - A because they read right to left
that's how I remember. Sony's symbols are superior howeverly

Playstation is going to be fine forever, xbox however choose to inherit sega's rip off and still change the colors for no reason.

>>712711165
>Nintendo didn't want to use C button
Bro, ever heard of the N64?

>>712703492
but that isn't in order, going clockwise you hit square before triangle

>>712727998
My cock runs diagonally.

>>712725928
Games haven't been good at large since 2010, so they should at least be convenient.

>>712727640
I always wondered, why is there a big square hole in the center of the DC controller?

>>712695405 (OP)
Im not a faggot idort so it doesnt affect me.

>>712695405 (OP)
After a while with all these controller setups, i have become acustomed to all of them. Nintendo is still the hardest to get accustomed to, tho.