Hello /v/. I am currently playing FE7 and I'm at Dragon's Gate. After letting Hector kill a Fire Mage, he reached level 20 so I'm trying to promote him. All of the promotion items in my convoy does not work. Does anyone know what item promotes Hector, and when I will get it?
Thank you.

nobody FUCKING cares

I thank you for your curiosity. The time shall come at a later date when you can promote Hector, he does not promote with ordinary items.

As for the time: End of Chapter 24 apparently.

>>712697010
I care

>>712696956 (OP)
Where is that tripfag nibber?

mia is fucking dogshit
i hate all of you lying pieces of shit trying to make her good when shes awful

>>712696956 (OP)
Who's your main character, anon? If it's Eliwood, then he will get his promotion item pretty soon. If Hector is your main character, enjoy not getting exp to increase for a while by using him.

>>712697634
>person bad at FE claims unit is good because favoritism can make them kill stuff
>painstaking explanation of why this is wrong
>cue whinging about elitism

>>712697898
Using units to fufill a niche isn't "favouritism".

lets talk about unit viability

>>712697867
My main character is Hector.
Uh oh...

>>712698112
With this list? No thanks.

>>712698480
What's wrong with this list?

>>712698656
assassins are not a good class

>>712698656
>renault S tier
>Florina D tier
>Athos SS tier

I don't really think it was made in good faith.

>>712698112
>>712698656
>Flier in D tier
>Sword locks above c tier
>5 move units above d
>Dancer/bars below s
There's more but even this much is enough to call it garbage.

>>712698656
A person that ordered the units like that is not worth having a discussion with.

>>712698873
Athos is definitely an SS tier unit.
He just has F tier availability.

>>712698961
A unit available for one chapter (not even the hardest chapter in the game) cannot be the best unit in the game. Yes statistically he is very good but there is an entire game he doesn't do anything to help.

He's not a bad unit but he's not the best one in the game by far.

>>712698873
florina dies to everything in her joining chapter
shes a garbage unit you have to babysit

>>712699049
He is excellent in ironmans, since he prevents 99% of softlock scenarios due to him soloing the final chapter unless the Dragon max rolls on str. Basically, his role is to be a massive safety net for everything but the worst run possible.

>>712699251
>Ironmeme
don't care, restarting asap if someone dies.

>florina
>worse durability than lyn
>no combat power at all
>no ability to kill enemies
>no terrain bonuses
>instantly dies to archers (the most spammed unit in 7 and the reason why it is called hand axe emblem)
>people consider this to be a good unit

So after that last thread it looks like I'm welcoming summer with an FE9 maniac ironman. Mia, Ilyana, which other scrimblos should I use?

>>712699431
Makalov

>>712699431
i dont think anyone else is considered bad outside mia illyana and the pre promotes

>>712699405
But anon, she flies! Who cares if archers and common enemies turn 90% of the map into a no-go zone for her and about the fact that the map design makes her not anymore mobile than your cavs?

>>712698112
Which units are the best to invest in if you're doing a HHM ironman?

>>712699550
Rolf is pretty bad. Mist is superfluous, at least she's easy to raise. Nephenee is slightly better Mia.

>>712697634
she's cute and thats all that matters
you can make any fucking unit work with bexp and boosters

>>712699525
I used him last time though. Is he really a scrimblo? He does have the best average stats out of the six paladins in the game, though I guess swords don't do much for him.

>>712699580
good combat units with 1-2 range
raven canaas erk in the early game
cavs are good all rounders
farina heath for the late game

>>712699405
>lists issues that fliers have in every game at base
>these are supposedly now insurmountable challenges in FE7 because ???

>>712699580
Eliwood

>>712699716
i think makalov is bad is an echo opinion from some faggot youtuber
i bet he probably thinks forde is bad too

he is a cavalier in a game where cavaliers are 5 tiers above everyone else, of course he is good

>>712699794
>issues that fliers have in every game at base
No, just Florina.

>>712699612
Oh yeah, Rolf, gotta do him for sure! You're a fool if you think a trained Rolf is bad.

>>712699879
>florina is the only flier that doesn't get terrain bonuses and dies to archers

>>712699431
Use Tormod and the blonde prepremote sage chick. Go full mage emblem.

>>712699057
I don't think Florina is a very good unit in HHM but she's not bottom 5 unit that is somehow worse than absolute shitters like Bartre. She flies, has rescue drop utility, uses lances. Yes there are a lot of archers in FE7 and her start is quite bad without Lyn Mode but she still has more utility than all the characters in C or D.

>>712699251
Sure, but again, it's just one chapter. The units who help you get through the other 30 are more helpful overall than the unit to can complete just one for you.

Makalov is the worst Cavalier but worst Cavalier in PoR is still a top unit. I remember seeing an analysis on how he's one of the best deployment slots for most of the game.

>>712699936
She's the only one who has to deal with so many bows, who needs bonuses to fight that she does not get due to being a flier and who doesn't benefit in any significnat way from flying over terrain.

>>712699794
shanna is awful but atleast she can kill soldiers and fe6 maps are fuck huge so flying has some uses
vanesa does not get blown out by every unit in her joining chapter

>>712699716
>>712699869
I said Makalov because I honestly like him and a lot of people think he's bad because of false news.

>>712699996
That one chapter would be significantly harder without him, with the Dragon alone being a pretty massive stat check. Because of Athos, you are free to play the other chapters freely.

>>712699869
But he's a late join sword cav with bases equivalent to Oscar
And he objectively deserves to die for his sins along with Danved

Birthright Chapter 16 let's gooooooooo

>tfw played FE7 20 years ago
>just kept using Lyn and other characters with pretty portraits and never bothered checking their stats
>the only guy who died in the campaign is Archmage guy
>turns out Lyn is actually useless
It's over...
Go on without me bro...
I will never complete higher difficulty and just live with Lyn on the plain

>>712700151
Play JP FE and she extends her use quite a bit having 3x effective Mani Katti. She's still one of the worst units in the game but FE7 enemy quality isn't that high, she'll do alright.

>>712699996
>. The units who help you get through the other 30 are more helpful overall than the unit to can complete just one for you.

im willing to argue that erk is better than pent

>>712700041
shanna is a solid A tier unit even in FE6
"I don't know how to check enemy ranges and get her killed by bows like a retard every time" is not an excuse to call a flier bad

>>712700194
Erk isn't useful in those chapters and is outmatched by pent in the later ones.

Cutesythea

>>712699794
>>lists issues that fliers have in every game at base
engayge fliers have no issues

>>712700208
fe6 is not as bad with the bow spam but almost 70% of the enemy phase you will be fighting bows
>check enemy ranges
>just park shanna outside of the enemy range
yeah, she is fucking useless outside of transporting roy to the throne (marcus or zelot can do this without wasting a promo item)

>>712700208
I think A is appropriate. The Cav bros are better, so Shanna's definitely not the top pick, but she's not far behind and makes some maps easier in ways they don't.

>>712700369
how the fuck is colgate-kun so low when he's a fucking dragon

>>712700082
Okay, but it's one just chapter. I don't know what to tell you or how that makes him the best unit in the game. There are like thirty other chapters you have to play through to even get to Athos that he isn't helping you whatsoever. There are other units that are capable to killing the dragon, Athos is just the one unit who can do it at base. By the final chapter in the game you should have invested units because there is no way you can even kill Limstella without good units.

Last thing I'll say is that Athos is not a bad unit, but his greatest strength is just potentially bailing you out of one chapter in the unlikely scenario to have hobbled yourself there with no units capable of beating it but also somehow capable of beating the harder chapter just before. Even in ironman runs I have had competent enough units to clear without particularly needing his help. In most cases he just makes it go a bit easier and faster.

>>712700493
he's more of a utility unit since he's noodle armed

>>712700414
Shanna can handle combat, her bases are basically a better version of Lance's bases. She also is relevant for several maps where there is terrain that she benefits from flying over, as well as mages that she tanks well.

>>712700593
>Okay, but it's one just chapter
One chapter that you don't have to worry about precisely because he exists. FE7's final chapter would be far harder without him even if you can defeat Limstella because the Dragon is a dangerous motherfucker and the Nergal map isn't a joke either.

>>712700593
He has one chapter where he's indisputably one of the units you should be deploying, which you could consider worth top. For this reason I think you just shouldn't tier him at all, it's a no brainer to deploy him, there's no reason to even argue about the topic.

>>712697634
you lost btw

>>712700845
Athos is without a doubt a high tier unit because there's no reason not to use him in the one chapter you get him, only held back by join time.
But not tiering him also makes sense because he's force on you.

>>712700739
Using your own logic, your own list isn't even accurate. Hector should be the best unit in the game because you can't beat the initial chapter without him, long before you'd ever reach the final chapter. The first chapter would be far harder without Hector, actually legitimately impossible unlike the last chapter which in most cases is possible without Athos, and yet he is not at the top of the list. Strange.

>>712700845
You can't not deploy him actually, but I agree with you. Ranking Gotoh or Orson type characters that only exist for one chapter is obviously difficult to agree one.

Athos shouldn't be in top of S tier precisely because the dragon can roll high STR and one shot him. If the character's whole purpose is to solo/victory lap the final chapter and he can fail to do so because you're unlucky then he fails at his job. Needing to save an angelic robe just to prevent the edge case defeats the whole purpose of the character

Marriage with Marianne!

>>712700923
>>712651331

But we can see in this thread that you devolved into barely coherent shrieking unable to even string complete sentences together when your "proof" got picked apart?

Mia is a good unit because Trannius is babyshit

>giving a shit about which units can beat a stationary boss who does not pressure you to beat him quickly in any way
ngmi

>>712701169
The gameplaykeks debating ITT lost to that stationary dragon.

>>712697365
Didn't have that one, thanks anon.

>>712699716
Makalov struggles due to an awkward join time (right before the desert), lmao swords, and His Wife Assturd being scrimblo supreme and taking his exp

I forgot Astrid existed because she sucks. She's actually the worst PoR Cavalier.

>>712701647
Astrid can feast off what little BEXP that Marcia/Jill/whoever left thanks to Paragon. That alone is enough to make her easier to slot in as an underlevel unit compared to Makalov despite bow lock prior to promotion.

>>712700845
>>712700945
>>712700997
Gotohs like Athos frequently end up in Mid Tier.
S Tier for the one or two maps that they're around, but F Tier availability. That logically balances out to just average.

What the hell is a scrimblo? Low-level unit that joins late? Unit with bad bases but good growths? Both?

>>712703224
Est is your typical scrimblo. Most of them are bad. I can only think of Mozu being good.

>>712703224
A non-meta unit

>>712703224
Any unit that (you) don't like if you try hard enough

>>712703224
Its supposed to be an obviously shit unit that got babied into decency. So Wendy, Rebecca, etc.
But then shitposters just started using it all over the place, so it has no meaning.

>>712696956 (OP)
Whi do i use the Afa drops

>>712697634
I'm assuming you're playing PoR where she indeed fucking sucks but she's genuinely great in RD

>>712703954
I usually give them to Heath, he joins right after you get them at a relatively low level.

>>712703954
Give them to Athos

>>712703954
the cutest girl
>>712704062
lol fag

>>712701647
>taking his exp
Well, she needs half as much as he does, but really, if you're going to use Astrid, using Makalov too is a good idea since he's one of her only supports and it gives good avoid.

>>712704038
i will never understand the idiots who argue that swordmasters are not the bess class in radiant dawn

>game where you have 60 levels of growth avaiable
>swordmasters have the best caps of any class
>theres a point where your cavs will not be able to fight because of the cap bottleneck

>>712704642
I think with swordmasters in RD I disagree with the notion that you can't just use multiple like with how people say there's no reason to train Eddie when you get Zihark. Swordmasters are actually good here, there's no issue with using multiple, unless you run out of S rank weapons to distribute.
However, they can't be the best class when wyverns exist. I don't know whats more stupid, the stats of handaxes or the loss of the bow weakness.

Endgame doesn't matter in RD. The Royals carry it.

>>712704932
you only get to use haar and no one argues about him not being the best unit in the

i would argue about jill, her avaiability is quite bad
in the dawn brigade by the time you get her you also get a bunch of broken units every chapter
in part 3 she doesnt really contribute much because you only get to use her like 2 chapters???

and by part 4 you already have such a unholy army that the argument of "investing into jill" because you can just invest into edward or zihark and have a god unit for the tower

According to availabilityfags Ilyana is the best unit in RD because she is available for the most maps.

>>712705328
>can pass stat boosters from army to army
yeah shes good

RD doesn't matter in general since the entire game is designed to bring you from one setpiece to the next.

>>712696956 (OP)
GBA emblem had this weird obsession with making you wait 75-90% of the game to promote your lords. Very dumb decision, almost as dumb as Marth not even getting a promotion.

>>712705328
Nah, she's bad because suddently availability no longer applies because we're talking about a unit that they dislike.

>>712705169
The DB might not have many chapters in act 3 but I find that it still works for funneling EXP into Jill because she has so few competition and her class + weapon choice is insane.
If not her, who are you giving all the juicy Laguz EXP too? Aran? MEG???

>>712705417
It probably is the closest to a puzzle game FE gets.

Marcus is bad because he steals exp

>>712705978
Much better than the last list posted. Zelkov, Boucheron and Mauvier up.

>>712705503
aran is technically the best target if you just want to have a reliable way to clear db chapters, he has the best growths and abuses the bonus exp mechanics the best

jill being a wyvern does not matter much because the dawn brigade chapters are all defend chokepoint chapters where you want to stat deathball and hold points

if you want a unit you just want to use for the dawn brigade arcs aran
if you want units you want to use for the tower zihark or edawrd

jill just stands akwardly in the middle
forgot to mention that she needs forged axes just to hit enemies because hit rates in the early game are really shaky meanwhile the other characters i mentioned do not have hit issues because they cap skill at lvl 10

>>712700369
These characters look so fucking gay, holy shit.

>>712705978
>>712700369
why people consider ivy to be good?? flying is not that good in engage

>>712706327
Her and Chloé are the only mages with bulk worth talking about, even discounting Ivy's flying.

>>712706435
celine has the same bulk while having a much better exclusive lord class with the option of going physical and acess to levin sword

celine is the best mage in the game

>>712705512
the greatest puzzle in RD: finding out how not to fall asleep on enemy phase