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>60 FPS on Xbox Series S Will Be ‘Extremely Challenging’ to Achieve, Says CDPR
>Following the stunning The Witcher 4 demo shown during the State of Unreal presentation earlier this month, Digital Foundry's Alex Battaglia had the unique opportunity to fly to Poland and meet CD Projekt RED (and Epic) to discuss what went into the demo and what kind of work the studio has ahead of itself for the full game.
>Charles Tremblay, VP of Technology at CD Projekt RED, revealed that the team switched to a console-first approach to development to achieve its ambitious goal of delivering an open world game with hardware ray tracing running at 60 frames per second on a Sony PlayStation 5 console.
>This will be easier than scaling down, which the studio had to do with their previous projects.
>When we started the collaboration, we had super high ambitions for this project.
>We always do PC and we push and then we try to scale down, but then we had so many problems in the past that we tried to see, okay, this time around we really want to be more of a console first development.
>Then we worked with Unreal and we saw the challenge to realize the ambition that to make what we want, 60 fps on PS5, there would be work.
>This is why we started to talk, to figure out what needs to be done with the technology and we also decided, okay, we need to have all those things that need to be developed.
>Where we go from there, it's hard to say, but right now we really wanted to focus on what does it mean to make this ambition on a console.
>We really wanted to aim for 60 fps and not go back to 30 fps.

>At this stage, we are perfectly aware that we still have a lot of work ahead of us.
>This is a tech demo, not the whole gameplay loop is implemented, there's no combat, there's a lot of things that don't work, but still, the ambition is set, so this is where we want to aim for The Witcher 4.
>The PS5 is not, however, the lowest of current-generation consoles when it comes to hardware performance.
>There's the Xbox Series S, and Tremblay admitted that the developers haven't begun to optimize The Witcher 4 for it yet, adding that it will be 'extremely challenging' to get it to run at 60 fps.
>Epic considers software Lumen ray tracing to be a thing of the past due to several limitations, which is why the demo created for The Witcher 4 already implements hardware RT Lumen.
>CD Projekt RED, on the other hand, mentioned that they'll want to scale up for a high-end PC, although the form that scaling will take remains to be seen at this point.

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Watch me how I completely invalidate this entire tldr wall of text with a single memearrow
>ue5

>The Witcher 4 Is Made with Console-First Approach
I have been hammering this through retarded fat heads of pcmutts for years now
MOST AAA GAMES ARE MADE WITH CONSOLES IN MIND BY DESIGN
hence why they all control and play the same way which also means that shilling for an expensive pc is pointless because you are playing a console game

tl;dr
>making games is hard but we are super ambitious and working super duper hard to deliver super duper graffix :DD

>>712720931
And indeed UE5 completely invalidates this entire word salad.

>>712720812 (OP)
X|SISTERS IS THIS OUR FIRST WIN?

>>712720812 (OP)
please never use green text in this way, thank you

>>712720817
>There's the Xbox Series S, and Tremblay admitted that the developers haven't begun to optimize The Witcher 4 for it yet, adding that it will be 'extremely challenging' to get it to run at 60 fps.

How about just not use gaytracing then if it's so hard.
>inb4 poor blah blah
I have 5060 Ti which is not high end but still PS5 Pro equivalent so I shouldn't have problems personally.

>>712721546
Microsoft has this gay policy when in order to get a game approved it needs to have feature parity between SeS/SeX

>>712720812 (OP)
That's cool and all, but every Witcher game barring 1 was made with console first. Also,
>UE5

>>712720812 (OP)
Geralt was cool asf and was pretty much the main draw of the series

I dont really wanna play as Ciri cant they just let Eskel take the lead for Witcher 4?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ZH2qqlOqs

>UE5
>60 fps
they'll be lucky to get 24 silky smooth FPS like Indiana Jones or Doom the Dark Ages. thanks, Tim, your engine is great!

>>712720812 (OP)
>>712720817
>60 fps on series S in UE fucking 5
>after that launch performance of cyberpunk on any console
oh.... oh no no...

>>712720812 (OP)
I fucking hate consoles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>712720812 (OP)
Yes we know.

>>712720812 (OP)
>The Witcher 4 Is Made with Console-First Approach

>>712722379
>Geralt was cool asf and was pretty much the main draw of the series
It sure as fuck wasn't the gameplay, the writing associated with Geralt's charisma is why people played the games. Also the ability to fuck bitches was important to the experience, the Witcher games were essentially a male power fantasy I'm not sure how they are going to replicate that with a female protag.

>>712720812 (OP)
I can't wait for yet another game with a disaster release that will be worshipped by consumers for le heckin' ebic story.

>>712720812 (OP)
I wont be buying any game that forces you to play as a bitch cunt girlboss. It's a constant humilation ritual that hates and shames you for being a straight white man.

>>712720812 (OP)
them red flags popping up one after another

>>712721387
The tiniest W, if you squint really hard. Series S actually being acknowledged as something other than a glorified Game Pass machine is already progress lmao. Let's just hope "extremely challenging" doesn't turn into "didn't bother."

>>712720812 (OP)
so was 3, hence the graphical downgrade

>>712720812 (OP)
so it's made for youtube? hard pass

>>712720812 (OP)
>make Crysis for PC as primary machine
>game is huge success
>dev isn't happy that some people pirate his game and claim that console players would never and Crysis would sold so much better as multiplat game
>make Crysis 2 as multiplat game
>it fail hard, fraction of Crysis sales despite multiplat
Why developers even care about consoles, they literally make less money with multiplat titles compared to what they can make with proper PC games made for PC because they need to ruin games just so that they can be playable on garbage hardware with garbage controller in mind.

>>712720812 (OP)
>ESG Projekt Red is making console-first UE5 slop
big surprise

>>712720812 (OP)
4K120 on the switch 2!

>>712720812 (OP)
They learned something from cyberpunk?!

>>712720812 (OP)
devs need to stop wasting time developing for the S. absolute dogshit hardware

>>712720812 (OP)
why does reddit say this demo had good graphics? it looked terrible. if they mean the character with depth of field then any game looks good with depth of field in a close-up shot.

>>712727063
it did had good graphics doe

>>712727528
it's just trees and vibrancy cranked up

>>712727819
thats literally a ue5 tech demo made by epic team and not a game, CDPR even made a statement so people do not think this will be the game. I cant await for the shitshow when it releases and people sperg out that it looks different

>>712726786
That "waste of time" ends up increasing performance for everyone thoughever, whether you have a lower or higher end machine. PC/PS5-only games don't look any better than ones with a Series release, they just run worse. Take Forspoken and Hellblade 2 for example. The former looks like a 2011 title or something while Hellblade 2 is a rare example of a game that actually looks kinda "next gen", pity that they forgot to also make it a game rather than a walking simulator / movie. Hell many of the greatest looking games have a fucking PS4 release, obviously even weaker hardware. This "weak hardware is holding devs back" meme needs to end.

>>712720812 (OP)
Pretty sure all games from the past 10 years have been made with a "Console-First" approach. The whole UX / UI went to shit because software companies made their products for the lowest common denominator device, which are phones->consoles->pc, because upscaling the game from a phone UI up to console and then PC, is much much easier than downscaling from a native desktop pc UI.

>>712729696
>10 years
lmao unless its an indie or rare RTS game, ALL high budget games after 2005 were designed for consoles first.

>>712721393
What's the problem zoomzoom? Too many scary words? Next time a twitter screenshot would be better I guess, less danger to overburden your miniscule mind.

>>712720812 (OP)
>pivot to console faggotry just as they're on a death spiral
lol

lol it’s going to be a trashfire

Not buying the witcher 4

>>712729830
hes a zoomie. dont laugh at him

>The Witcher 4 Is Made with Console-First Approach
Yes, games have to be developed by considering the lowest performing platform it's going to be available on, how is this even a thread you retarded under-aged redditor? What's the alternative? Design it for 5090 PCs and hope it works for the LATAM/children slop machines?

>>712729830
You're exaggerating, unless you're talking about games specifically developed for console that only came to PC later. Responsive Design only started to take off around 2010 when the popularity of consoles and iphones skyrocketted. At that point it became clear in the industry that they need to have phones and consoles as a target platform, even though they are aiming for a simultanous PC release where you would profit from a better UI. And it isn't until 2014-2016 when this sort of enshittification as reached its peak, because at that point normies weren't bullying people for being on the internet anymore -- normies displaced them and made phone games and pc games mainstream

>>712723784
I hardly remember a single thing Geralt has said despite playing all 3 games, with several playthroughs in the 3rd
>Damn you're ugly!
and that's about it
what was his personality even? overly stoic strong silent type?

>>712730071
This
Consoles holding shit back is a good thing

>>712730346
Geralt of Rivia, now that was a true Nordling

>>712723784
Witcher 3 combat is underrated and 2 is nice

>>712730413
PC holds itself back and always has.

>>712730824
elaborate please

>>712730295
developers outright said it during the 7th gen. there was a genuine fear by people that pc gaming was actually going to die out and everything that wasn't niche or an mmo was made for consoles first, either you're too young to remember this or weren't paying attention back then because that sentiment was fucking everywhere

>>712720812 (OP)
>Unreal abortion 5.x
Pass maybe ue6 won't be shit but
>Muh ai
Nvm

>>712720812 (OP)
>The Witcher 4 Is Made with Console-First Approach
>60 FPS on Xbox Series S Will Be ‘Extremely Challenging’ to Achieve, Says CDPR
Good because at least they are trying to optimize it?

>>712721114
>you are playing a console game at better resolution and framerate, and on a device with way more storage space that you can upgrade whenever you want, and with more variety in input devices, and with the ability to freely modify the game, and without having to pay twice to play online
You forgot some stuff so I added it for you.

>>712731654
yeah but it's still a console game
it might look better but the gameplay is the same

Crazy to say once upon a time I had so much respect for CDPR, but i guess as long as people keep falling for it and it's a sustainable way of making money, i don't blame them

How is this a surprise? They said it since Witcher 3 at least. They outright came forward and said Witcher 3 literally couldn't exist without consoles because PC user alone can't or won't support a game of that scale with adequate sales.

5.6 is more demanding than 5.5 btw, and 5.5 is already a degradation compared to 5.1, and 5.1 is a major downgrade from 4.27
:D