>is the worst character in your path
how do we fix him?

I really wish executor's parry sword didn't make him crab walk
It basically makes him useless

>>712764002 (OP)
give him titties

>>712765026
pulling out the sword with L2 itself is a parry, you position yourself then deflect then unsheathe once you've retaliated

Fuck you.

>entire character is centered around holding L1
>every miniboss and slightly strong enemy breaks your level 15 green bar in one hit
>added luck dependency to replace his god awful starting shield too
can we fix it? no its shit!

>>712764002 (OP)
Expand his preferred weaponry to include spears and both regular and great thrusting swords so he can do his guard counter charge with anything from his loot pool
And make more shields drop for him too

>>712765887
which part of this fixes him doing 0 damage which is functionally the same as him quitting out mid run?
>but he blocks and tanks!
yeah and every character has a dodge button, why do we need him?

>>712764002 (OP)
>>712765761
>>712765621
How do I super shield without moving? If I go forward the boss attack just misses.

>>712764002 (OP)
Being a tank character in a game where there is a time limit, make him incredibly slow too.
For what raisins From?

>>712765986
Guard counters and charged guard counters actually do great damage, the problem is if you pick up anything but a halberd you'll never land one on a boss because of the combination of knockback and boss movement leaving them out of range.

>>712766167
this, the game is about pure offense, you have no time to fuck around whacking the Rune bears for 5 minutes.

"tanking" is only good for the Nightlord, and even then, your just two hits away from having your shield whapped away and then hit like anyone else.

ever since they nerfed how shields work in the Souls series, this is how its been, they are used for blocking a singular attack and then you are off to rolling or your dead.

>>712767053
the disparity of the difficulty in killing Rune Bears vs Albunurics and Albunuric archers is fucking baffling.

>give him higher damage reduction, passively and on shield
>make his passive always active and reduce less stamina over time
>give him a shield radius so his block can protect other players around him
>buff damage and poise damage of counter and give it damage reduction and hyper armor
>give his whirlwind more damage/stance damage and have it generate more aggro
>make the heal inherent to his ult, change relic effect of ult to instead reduce enemy defense

Big dick counter damage

>>712765761
Use his passive then. Block and dash in a direction to activate it.

>>712766036
This has more to do with your positioning, really. The boss missing also just means you have a free hit. If you use thrusting weapons you can also just poke R1 behind your shield, so it doesn't even matter if the boss hits your shield or not.

>>712766167
Skill issue if you play him slow

I sit at 80 runs with a 60% win rate or so rn and mainly play guardian, since he is so chill to play and can really help the rest of the team staying alive if you set up your relics accordingly.

>>712767791
he is indeed great support, if your team capitalizes on him, he's amazing.

he is awful if you are solo queuing with randoms.

>>712767369
Do runebears at least pay more? Usually runes correlate with boss HP.

>>712767903
not really enough to offset the sheer effort to kill them.

your reward is based off location, not boss, so its a wash, you see the Sleep icon on a location, know it could be Bears and don't go.

its just like your image, there's no reason to fight the Ball Bearing Hunter because he's effectively "touch of death" for no reason, and has 5x the HP of other bosses that spawn there.

baffling oversight on the devs part, maybe they wanted him to be feared? just means he's avoided.

>>712764002 (OP)
I don't get how any character can be considered bad. All you have to do is attack the enemies and dodge their attacks

>>712767791
>I sit at 80 runs with a 60% win rate or so rn and mainly play guardian
>60% implied to be good
this is why i quit out of all bird lobbies, you guys are shitters and think your character is salvagable, you literally hold everyone back by doing no fucking damage

>>712768617
because boss' HP pools are bloated with 3 characters in mind and when birdman is in your party is closer to 2.1 characters in terms of damage output, its just a giant handicap, of course you can still win but literally every other character is better

>>712768653
60% is amazing in solo queu, most people throw immediately lol and now you have to sit through 40 minutes of failure or get a mark on your PERMANNT RECOOOORD

the second they run across the map without touching any enemies or locations for Churchs, its OGRE dawg, its completely fucking Joever.

>>712768761
Birdman does decent damage, because he can constantly stay in the fight.

>>712768761
I see

>>712768862
i literally have a 3/4 win rate because i explicitly avoid bird players, its possible to carry almost every game if the other 2 are at least doing some damage from time to time

there is no penalty btw, i instant requeue and have never had an issue and i've easily quit 20+ lobbies

It’s going to be hard to go back to a nobody protagonist in the next souls game when Nightreign gave us a taste of personality with the nightfarers

>>712768761
a halberd charge guard counter from guardian does over a thousand of damage WITHOUT upgrades btw, into like the 3k range with upgrades and abilities

>>712768862
nah he really doesnt and i win lobbies with 3 of these gremlin characters, he's shit overall
ive met 1 guy who knew how to do damage with him via status effects on a halberd and thats it

>>712769152
wow so half of what every other class can output and it doesnt require a setup, boss attack and long counter animation, geeze

>>712769115
They were lacking personality. Fromsoft is incapable of delivering that department still.

>>712769231
>half of what other class can output
actual retard lmao

>>712768976
really gets the noggin joggin don't it

>>712769364
you should give dutchess or recluse a try and see for yourself

you can absolutely win with birdperson but that's because you can win every boss encounter with a duo

>>712767791
Turtle mode is laggy as shit and pokes do shit all damage so you're never holding aggro. The aggro relics also do shit all. They need to make it so going turtle mode gives you more aggro or something, he's kind of middling right now. Would rather just play Wylder and put the rolls in the bag

>>712769153
>and i win lobbies with 3 of these gremlin characters
is... this suppose to be impressive? the game is easy

>>712769153
I use the bird with a bleed build to compensate for its lack of DPS

>>712769417
or ironeye
or raider
or wylder w/ good items
or reverant (before she runs out of fp)
or executor with status katanas + ult

I can’t solo with Recluse

>>712769546
>the game is easy
very true, also true is birdman is a handicap

>>712768458
>your reward is based off location, not boss
>its just like your image
Bell bearing's worth 90k there, while the other bosses that can appear are 45k or less.

>>712768458
>>712767369
bears give double rewards

>>712769810
I said the reward from the orb that comes out after they die is location based, not the souls.

>>712769930
still not worth it.

>>712769930
and there's also two of them per ruin and both drop an item
idk why people skip them, i get they're a harder enemy from the base game but with 3 people who can aggro dump its easy to bully them

>>712769997
>still not worth it.
if you're bad at the game maybe lmao

>>712770057
it isn't about good or bad, its about time invested, Rune Bears have massive health and huge sweeping attacks and lunging attacks.

>>712770354
90% of the time, I at least have a crystal shotgun that eats them aliive, just keep it busy faggot.

>>712770354
which are avoidable and the hp is a non-issue if you fight them after lvl 5-6+
its worth doing and absolutely not worth routing around or past wasting more time to run further to a ruin which will give you less runes

>>712770354
it takes fucking 1 min to kill a rune bear. thats 2 minutes for 2 boss drops and 2 boss worth of runes. Just put it to sleep over and over again. you're not retarded right?

>adding more patches which is just hard mode
What does that accomplish? NuFromsoft is retarded.

>>712770516
it accomplishes solving my boredom because the base game is too easy

What more should they add to the game?

>>712770582
Yet no new content, obvious fixes, nor characters.

>>712770762
new boss phases is new content

>>712769647
It's rough being a viglet with the only starting weapon that can't be customized. Since she's so dependent on good spell drops that usually end up on white or blue staves or seals, she feels borderline required to dive into at least one mine for smithing stones too.
Then you'll inevitably roll shotguns for thin bosses, nukes that are too slow against fast bosses, and have zero access to good cocktails unless you throw 70k runes at the shopkeeper for two weapons you otherwise wouldn't want.

>nobody ever wants to do shifting earth events and will ignore me if I ping
>at best they will try to rush it at the very last second of night 2 when it's way too late
Gonna have to do this shit solo for the last couple achievements I guess. Also fuck them for putting remembrance objectives in the most out of the way godforsaken corners of the map.

>>712770762
my expectations for this game were so low im already happy with what we got
only thing id really like is some map variation based on the other zones in ER

>>712770927
you can solo all the remembrances at level 2-3, the only remotely difficult one is ironeye fighting another better equiped ironeye
you dont need to win the map to do the quest, just go to the first night boss and intentionally lose

>>712770949
I want a sky island map combining elements from Farum Azula and Rauh.

>>712769997
>location based
QRD?

>>712764002 (OP)
why does it matter?!?! people pick him because he cool and based!

>>712771541
the locations have elements on them, one of the reward from killing the boss will be that element.

also the reward is stronger in certain locations, like on top of the center keep.

>have "pull aggro on block" on my greatshield
>it only applies when the shield is getting hit
>ironeye and recluse will still generate more aggro overall because bosses prioritize ranged characters over all else
>end up being useless overall because what use is a tank that cant cast threat

i feel like he needs a rework

>>712771683
Doesn't peck the eyes out of the evil witch because of muh new flock, betraying his old family.
Based, sure anon.

>>712772046
selling morals for some titties is extremely based

>The coolest character is the worst one
Why does this happen in every single fucking game?

>>712771706
Oh, I knew that. You made it seem like they were stronger the further away from your starting point or something.

tranny gayming thread

>>712765026
Deflecting is fun but that shit deals no damage

>>712774024
the problem isn't that deflection deals no damage (it deals stun damage at least) the problem is the L2 deals no damage too.

this means the payoff to 3-4 parries is about 1 auto attack worth from a regular Katana.

its bizarre.

meanwhile Wylder is blowing chunks out of the boss with the Grapple combo and his ult, Executor's Ult also deals basically no damage as well.

anyone trying to party up?

>>712764002 (OP)
Don't care, gonna keep playing my birb bro

>>712765026
If only there were walking only buffs to take advantage of the skill based invincibility it gives

>>712766167
He is the only character that is efficient at farming trash and only needs to tank vs bosses

>>712764002 (OP)
>how do we fix him
start with a brass shield and a spear.
>worst character
not even a little bit. that's revenant.

Why did he do it?

>>712765026
I don't have the reflexes or perfect memorization of movesets to be a parrygod, I find relying on cursed blade just makes me eat shit more often than not.
Whip it out if you're in a sketchy spot like backed into a corner, or when the boss is doing a big aoe attack you aren't confident you can dodge or run from. In all other cases I'm just dodging and swinging like normal.

>>712775407
Did we ever get the full models of those remembrance characters from her flashback?

>>712773578
That's just like, your opinion

>>712765026
The sheathe and unsheathe animations have parry frames, so for example if you know the enemy is going to do a 3 hit combo you can unsheathe to deflect the first attack, deflect the second attack like normal, and sheathe to deflect the third attack and keep going with your regular weapon.

Add i frames to his skill and allow us to stack his thorn relics.

>>712764002 (OP)
I think he's great. Especially once you realize his steel guard can be used as quickly as just rolling. He's not so useful when preparing to face the Nightlords, but then I also think that at this point people have already trivialized days 1 & 2, so him tagging along through that is no issue. His defenses absolutely no sell most of the boss attacks in the game. Here's the run that sold me on his usefulness where

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLHHFyu-tnE

Don't mind the Oney Plays in the background. Libra would just focus on me and achieve nothing. while my teammates wailed on him.

>>712777728
It's the opposite, he trivializes days 1-2 and can simply eat any boss combo before night 3 with his shield. He can just sit there and face tank even Crucible Knight's bullshit mega-combos.
But every single Nightlord has some flashy ground explosion with .5 seconds to react before it goes off that his fatroll literally cannot get him out of the range of or grab attack spam that he, again, can't avoid because lmao fatroll. The only boss without one of those is dogbert, and he instead splits into 3 and has a dog ass fuck you while you block one in front (but is otherwise ez)

>>712777728
your video shows you being completely useless
cant break bubble for enchant
cant do damage
yeah you take hits but who cares, i can do the same on any character and dodge attacks meanwhile doing real damage between hits

pain

>>712778830
>Attacked by Switch 2 consumers
Intense

>>712778830
Didn't know Wylder and Ironeye were, you know...

>>712765026
maybe it wouldn't be an issue if elden ring bosses in general didn't love running across the fucking arena and requiring you to chase them down

What's next for him?

>>712764002 (OP)
Just let him midroll. It's all he needs.

>>712778830

>deals no damage
He deals ok damage and excellent stance damage.
No other character can do guard counters so frequently. Or in rapid succession depending on the type of attack.
And let's not pretend like his ultimate isn't splendid. Reviving the entire party no matter how many bars they've got. Fully restoring the full party to full health. Making the party invulnerable to allow them do some dumb hail mary that normally wouldn't be safe.
It's way better what the other characters have got.

Granted that the whirlwind is useless against bosses. But for what it's worth, it genuinely shreds non-boss enemies more efficiently than any other class can. Is that an essential skill? No, but it genuinely let's you get more done during day 1 & 2 since you can get through mobs faster.

>>712764002 (OP)
>worst character when these 3 exist
said character both deal 0 damage and tank the same ammount.

>>712780331
Duchess remains splendid. No other adds more DPS. And while she dies from being poked, having the best dodges in the game does give her better survival than Recluse, Revenant, and Ironeye.

>>712775146
>>712780331
if you think revenant is bad you're just playing her wrong
she is literally recluse but better
S in faith so she can do incredible damage with incantations PLUS having summons that can distract the enemy so you can cheese with spells at a safe distance

>>712778665
>But every single Nightlord has some flashy ground explosion with .5 seconds to react before it goes off that his fatroll literally cannot get him out of the range of or grab attack spam that he, again, can't avoid because lmao fatroll

You don't avoid attacks, you face tank them.

>>712778673
Ye just ignore all the aggro I was pulling for my team and enabling them to go loose on Libra.

>>712780735
>S in faith so she can do incredible damage with incantations
recluse also has S faith. also incantations are dogshit.
>PLUS having summons that can distract the enemy
they get oneshot by NLs.
>can cheese with spells at a safe distance
there is no cheese or safe distance with NLs.

>>712780331
What do they have against women? They're pathetically weak.

Huffing libras balls until you're intoxicated by gis frenzy flame musk
Kissing libras rod until the taste of his cock is burned into your tongue

If you don't want to fuck the goat you aren't a man.

>>712780882
>they get oneshot by NLs.
no they don't
>also incantations are dogshit.
lol

>>712780331
>Spam vigor runes and upgrades
>Nuke the boss anyways
ezpz

>>712780968
Madness...

>>712780331
recluse has dumbfuck damage, what feels like full i-frame dodges and infinite fp
how anyone can think she's bad is beyond me

>>712781624
She also makes my dick the hardest. Which is the most important thing

>>712780331
>duchess is le bad
lmao. not even close. she makes up for her squishiness by having an A-grade scaling with int. she can pelt bosses with sorceries at a safe distance and if you have a hawkeye and/or wylder, she can flat out increase the damage of their ults by 50% or even more with relics. not to mention bleed and frostbite still do meaty damage and she can restage those too. and while her ult isnt the strongest, it can let her get in some risky revives.

>>712764002 (OP)
Nightreign is the first souls game I refunded

>>712781392
It only burns because its healing your soul

>>712780331
Revenant is the best safety net besides bird.

The only thing I've found is consistent is that anybody saying that any character in this game isn't S+++-tier is literally only bad with them and/or has never played them enough to be good but has seen other shitters online being bad with them.
>Wylder: Ridiculous damage output, free death-dodge, free fire affinity benefit all over the place, unique Greatsword animations that work with every boss's attack patterns, Ult is insane, ridiculous mobility
>Raider: Equip Rallly Relic->Literally never die to anything+Full retard stagger
>Executor: Be good at parry->Literally never die to anything+Status effects everywhere
>Guardian: Literally never die to anything+Revive your party+Invincibility everywhere
>Reculse: Genuinely nonsensical damage output and FP sustain
>Revenant: Wide spread of areas covered all at once, butchers the field and is a rune printer, will almost always end runs at level 15 if you have a brain
>Ironeye: Consistent DPS, Trick Attack, can keep people revived if you circle around decently, just be good at not getting hit, loot up, etc.
>Duchess: Dodge every single attack with precision, DPS spikes everywhere as you double frost/bleed procs at random, full-party cloak to allow for revives and the easiest facility infiltrations (most especially the central castle) ever dreamt up, and can use spells on the side with her high Int scaling
The entire game is 8 equally broken characters that are only able to shine with skilled users. If you play with a shitter, you see variable rankings. If you play with someone who is good, every single character trivializes the game in one way or the other.

Guardian's entire toolkit only matters if your teammates are bad.

>>712780882
>also incantations are dogshit.
>he doesn't know

>>712782456
>>Guardian: Literally never die to anything+Revive your party+Invincibility everywhere
I had a bird revive us both twice on Heolster with his ult, he just sat there and blocked into the attacks and poked at him until his ult was finally back, it was insane.

>>712782757
It's really ridiculous how Guardian can factually just be the rock that never moves in any battle and carry the absolute worst of shitters through the most dangerous of battles, even moreso with better players and harder fights. A top-tier Guardian will genuinely spend an hour if needed on one battle and actually never drop during that entire battle.

>>712773578
>coolest character is the best one
How do they keep doing it?

>>712783108
>zip in
>blasted back by unlucky swing
>zip in again
I can't stop doing it. He's too fun to play

>>712783062
Guardian can also rack up stance breaks like nothing else, since guard counters deal incredible stagger damage. The trick is actually being in range to land them, and landing them at the end of a combo, not mid-combo.

>>712783108
They understand what people want. Badass presentation, a vague backstory, and pilebunkers.

>>712781624
Recluse's dodge is legitimately fucking insane. Adel's constant charges and AoEs are fucking cancer to try to dodge with a normal roll but Recluse can dance with him all day with literally zero effort.

>>712780765
>ignore all the aggro I was pulling for my team and enabling them to go loose on Libra.
which literally any other character can do with midroll if you aren't retarded and bad at the ~16+ year old video game mechanic

you did absolutely nothing, you're the same as some guy just standing there dodging, you can't even hold aggro like a tank in a real RPG because you have no threat
you presence was nothing but a handicap
if you played dutchess and dodged and restage you'd be more valuable,
if you played recluse and hit massive dps from range you'd be more valuable,
if you played rev and rotated summons to pull aggro while casting incants you'd be more valuable,
if you played wylder with absurd ult and base dmg and high mobility you'd be more valuable,
if you played executor and learned parrying timings with status effects and his L2 you'd be doing the same thing and way more damage and be valuable,
if you played ironeye doing crazy poise and dps from range you'd be more valuable,
if you played raider you'd be doing crazy poise damage, infinite hp regen, be able to break libra's shield preventing him from being buffed like you tried and failed to do, and it'd all be more valuable

you're a liability to the team, a shitter who cant time dodges so they hide behind a shield
paladin-esque classes have always been and will always be the archetype of retards and designed for players of the lowest skill floor possible, because if nothing else you can run in and hold L1 like a fucking bot

>>712783403
Oh I get it now. You're a Bloodborne fag lol

What if

>>712783469
oh i get it now, you exclusively replay ds1 and complain how much more "thoughtful" the combat was

>>712780331
these are the two best classes and what could be the best if she had FP regen
you're bad at video games if this isn't bait (which it is)

>>712783645
Haha! le "endangers passivety", amirite?

>>712783735
haha! le "slow, well-paced combat", amirite?

this game needs a scoreboard for damage and number of downs/revives at the end to show shitters how useless they are

>>712783907
I need to keep track of who drops Starlight Shards for me and who needs to be blocked and reported

>>712764002 (OP)
>whirlwind skill should draw enemy aggro on you (no need for relics)
>make the charged guard counter usable on lances and heavy thrusting swords
>charged guard counter should give you hyperarmor similar to Raider's punch skill

>>712766278
the charged guard counter needs a serious buff too, right now it's worse than a jump attack, it leaves you exposed, and it also uses more stamina

>>712783907
Yeah and it should parse too