how are they survival games if they have no hunger or any survival mechanics?

who cares?

>>712808919 (OP)
>hunger
The most useless of all mechanics. If you want your players to eat, create a desire for them to want the buffs food should provide, Debuffing them or slowly kill them because they didn't maintain a food cycle is fucking stupid.

What exactly is the appeal of these games? Is it just watch number go up for griefers?

>>712809518
without it it's not a survival game just an open world action adventure like Skyrim (which has a survival mode anyway)

>>712808919 (OP)
Kill yourself
>>712809082
This

>>712809518
That's just a point against alleged survival games: survival isn't actually an obstacle or point of the game. Having to keep yourself fed makes a lot more sense as a mechanic if finding enough nutritious food isn't completely straightfoward (and starving to death takes a better part of a month).

>>712808919 (OP)
enshrouded isnt really a survival game at all. hunger is an optional afterthought that doesn't affect your playstyle at all. there's some resource gathering mechanics, but unless you're trying to make a ton of pretty houses and decorations, you'll spend less than 5% of your time getting resources. it's much closer to something like elden ring than skyrim than it is to valheim. probably the main similarity between enshrouded and valheim is the home building mechanics

>>712809594
enshrouded is a coop adventure game. the point is the adventure and treasure

>>712809518
and that's exactly what Valheim does
amd OP thinks it isn't a survival game

>>712808919 (OP)
>enshitted

>>712809518
That's exactly how it works in Valheim lmao. Am I the only one in the thread that actually played the fucking game?

>>712808919 (OP)
Why is hunger always such a focus in these games?
You dont need to eat every fucking 2 minutes just to stay alive
I dont care if its a videogame, managing hunger meters is just busywork
Atleast make eating somewhat interesting, like in SCUM where you "kinda" have to think about what you put in your mouth
Survival games have so much to pick when it comes to creating interesting game mechanics it but eating is such a low hanging fruit its actually just a rotten apple resting on the ground

>>712809518
Terraria is a survival game according to that metric

>>712810243
What are must have or decent survival mechanics according to you?
I'd say more than 5 might be unfun to tend to

Valheim has had one of the worst update cycles I've ever seen. 4 years and we're not even at 1.0.
And there's a ton of gaps of gear and content in the game. The plains have NO DUNGEON.
The mistland is fucking NASTY and SHITTY.

And they have the gall to tell the playerbase the snarkiest shit ever. Fucking useless. Even bethesda doesn't rely this much on their modding community to wipe their own ass for them.

>>712811495
with swedes theres 0 reason to expect any kind of real update to a game once it gets any kind of popularity. when the swede gets even a hint of money, it gains an ego and never really puts in any real effort again. valheim made so much money that the devs are just on permavacation and only come out to cast ridicule on the people who bought the game

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>>712811865
also ftr valheim is made in unity so their dev time requirement for implementing shit is probably like, 20-40% of what it would be proprietary engine devs like the enshrouded guys. and enshrouded is like 3x bigger than valheim in terms of pretty much everything except smoke physics. i'd wager a guess that each valheim team member only spends an average of about 20 minutes a day working on the game, at most.

>>712811865
This is true for all western Europe, maybe even for the whole eu. Why do you think these guys important illiterate molesters from Arabia? They hate work.

>>712812240
eh kinda but with swedes its extremely prevalent
>notch
>fatshark
>arrowhead
>data realms (allah forgive me for saying this name)
theres more examples but those are the ones that started to ooze seething contempt for their playerbase and go on vacations as soon as they gained any success. they only go on a "redemption arc" when they run out of money and need success again, and then go right back to coasting if they succeed

>>712810243
Incorrect, you want a facsimile of things we think are important, not literal representations.
>>712810534
There are tons of ways to interface players with surviving, without an eating cycle.
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>>712811202
It's almost like I'm disagreeing with OP on hunger a required mechanic for survival games.
>>712811316
Never played that, not have I ever had a desire to. I cannot offer an opinion.

>>712812806
The whole ger cucks, be it Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg or danmark. All talk, no action, always on vacations. Import an alphabets to work for little money, fuck stupid women no one wants and knife down the working population if angry or bored. Totally not a cuckold society.

>>712812216
Yeah people who give them the benefit of the doubt are fucking retarded. There's no excuse. The game should have been finished with twice the amount of content 2 years ago at the latest.

>>712814212
Qrd

>>712809518
Bro doesn't even Unreal World

>>712814212
honestly, considering most of the groundwork is already done, it should take them literally like a month to add a new biome with placeholder assets, and another 2-3 months to test it and finalize it. ive worked in a similar size dev team and one of the most common feedback we got was "how are you guys putting out updates so quickly?" when we were all just working at a normal pace. the games industry audience is just buck broken to think it takes a year to copy & paste some unity prefabs and change the numbers a bit

>>712808919 (OP)
You know what Valheim's problem is? Genuinely?
Early Access model.
The developers made a fucking fortune way too early way too quick and after years in development they've blown most of that on hookers and blow.
Why the FUCK would they finish the game when they already got theirs?
People don't shit on Early Access enough. Seriously it's a fucking epidemic of this abysmal industry.

>>712811495
>The plains have NO DUNGEON.
Do they need one though?
Latest dungeon added was ice caves and frankly, aside from gathering fenris hair (or whatever they're called) for the armor you can entirely skip them

>>712811865
oh and don't forget to buy the Valheim boardgame, goy

>>712808919 (OP)
>hunger
Kill yourself. Tedium is not survival. Fucking autistics like you have ruined the genre.

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>>712808919 (OP)
Doesn't Enshrouded have hunger? It's been a while since I played the demo.

Since it's a Valheim thread let me post some screenshots from my (currently abandoned) plains castle project

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>>712811495
>>712811865
>make six billion gorillion dollars with a fun early access
>slowly keep adding more stuff as you said you will while enjoying your swedish work-life balance
Why does this make amerimutts so mad?
>"Ayayayay, why Sven no work like me?? Every day I mow the lawn for senor John while they do NADA. Them gringos doing me a racism AGAIN, ay caramba"

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>>712816745
i am european. everyone here has work life balance. but its really specifically game dev where people begin coasting as soon as they can get away with it. like, they wont even do their job as a hobby. it doesnt even really make sense why a passionate game dev like notch would completely give up that up in favor of becoming depressed, fat and bald on twitter

>>712816996
I feel like this would have been a lot nicer if the stone foundation was at least half as low as that.

>>712817189
I think they just went travelling after getting all the money.
Notch sold Minecraft because he didn't have a strong vision for what the game should become in the long run, yet people wanted it to be updated forever.
But he does enjoy working on *something* so he quickly regreted it.

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>>712815179
how did they blow 200 million dollars on hookers and blow?

>>712816076
nigga they added two biomes since Ice Caves, Mistlands and Firelands, and both have "dungeons" (Lol)

>>712816403
no, it has food buffs like Valheim.

Enshrouded real debuff is durability on your stuff, making you go back to base.

>>712817189
what "work life balance" mean, and what this fag is really saying, is that 90% of Europeans jobs are so worthless in actuality, they can afford to take half the year off on vacations, because almost every nation in western Europe is essentially funded and protected by America to be our little tourist locations.

you're ants in terrarium, you have ZERO real value.

>>712819652
>is that 90% of Europeans jobs are so worthless in actuality
most jobs everywhere except the third world are worthless. they have been since the industrial revolution. the only thing we *really* need are food, medicine, housing and clothes, and most of that shit is imported anyway. pretty much everything else is just people fucking around and getting paid for it to maintain societal cohesion through low unemployment and wealth equality.

the US has probably the highest pretend job percentage in the world because the dollar is the world reserve currency and thus it is economically nonviable to export anything, except treasury bonds and printed dollars. but US citizens love to grind so they work 70 hour weeks at their consultancy firms which actually produce nothing of real value lol

>>712816438
Basement to hide all the workbench upgrades below