Name the franchise

redpill me on kanji; is there some sort of hidden system behind the strokes and their order, or is it just what some feudal lord yolo'd on papercloth thousands of years ago?

>>712817723 (OP)
TES

>>712817983
They're literally Chinese

>>712817983
this isn't kanji you retard. but to answer your question it's generally from the top left to the bottom right and grouped by radical, since a lot of them are reused across characters, but there's more nuance to that

>>712818264
>this isn't kanji you retard
Arr rook same

>>712818174
How is that relevant to what he asked.

>>712818264
>>712818174
Arr rook same

Tomb raider

>>712817983
Up to down
Then left to right

Small side Radicals first

>>712817723 (OP)
Traditional>ancient>simplified

>>712817723 (OP)
>simplified
>still the same illegible hieroglyphic ching chong runes
just use the fucking alphabet already you retards

>let's just draw pictures of what we see when we write things
What a retarded ass system. How the fuck is that middle one supposed to represent nothingness?

The prequel, cuneiform, got lost in production

How weeb are you?

Tell me these 5

>>712819308
They're not pictograms

>>712820059
They originally were

>>712817983
The secret to kanji is that the number of 女 in the kanji directly corresponds to how evil the concept it represents.

你好/v/
你今天怎麼樣?
你玩了什麼遊戲?

>>712817983
For chinese, there was a reason and rhyme behind it that got a little mangled in the thousands of years it existed.
Japanese just yolo'd the thing from merchants and built a nonsensical system that they only straightened the rules with two reforms in the 19th and 20th centuries.

>>712820276
kek

>>712820436
Japanese is more retarded after the reforms than before. Japanese before was 3 different alphabet for 3 different types of people. They tried combining all 3 into a single retarded system they have today
They could have easily just kept 1 and would have been fine

>>712819871
Horse, sun, moon, bird, mountain?

>>712820827
Nah, nothing is more retarded than 万葉仮名
>let's just take all these characters and throw away their meaning, and only care about the sound they make. Also since shit isn't standardized any random fuck can just write shit whatever way he wants

>>712817723 (OP)
Anyone got that big chink kanji tierlist?

>>712817723 (OP)
Dark Souls. 3 was such garbage slop I couldn't even finish it.

>>712818264
Considering kanji is just japanese for "chinese letters", yeah, this is kanji.

there has to be some system to it right? Why do horse and bird look similar, but tiger and cat do not. Meanwhile cat dog pig monkey share the first character.

>>712822274
It's why I like Korean the most of the Moon Rune languages. Every part of the character just ties to a phonenitic sound. It's probably the most simple one to pick up as you can stumble through it and probably guess right.

>>712821996
Correct

>>712822274
The "system" was running a game of telephone on the original drawings until they all diverged. Any similarities are just down to where the "feet" ended up.
In the case of the bottom set, they all use that character to mark that they're talking about an animal. That character actually used to mean dog, but then the common word for dog changed, and it didn't make sense for them to pretend the original character was always read the new way so they paired it with another character indicating how it should actually be pronounced.

for me it's 幸 and 辛, yeah fuck you too, I'll never learn which one is which

>>712823185
fake, noisy in japanese is 煩い, 姦 means rape

>>712817723 (OP)
Doom level design

>>712823161
>In the case of the bottom set, they all use that character to mark that they're talking about an animal.
then you'll know the obvious question that follows.

I don't believe anyone can actually read this retarded shit.

The ancients must have had very strange looking dogs

>>712823197
for me it is 感 and 惑

>>712823197
Your mnemonics, sis?

>>712824118
I'm used to seeing 感 a lot but I don't see 惑 that often so it doesn't really bother me, 幸 and 辛 are annoying because they look the same at a glance, used in the same context and mean the complete opposite of each other

>>712824289
tell me it's not annoying when you're glancing through a text, like scrolling twitter and then have to stop to figure out which one it is because they look the same

>>712817983
Yes and no
some kanji are just literally random shit, others actually have a meaning behind the strokes like 3x tree means forest and the one for river actually looks like a flowing water etc.

>>712823482
If you mean, "why didn't they use that for all the animals," well they already had characters to represent them, no need to mark horse as an animal when you only ever see that character used for horses. But if horse was also used for something else, to the point that was the main thing you thought when reading it, then it might get that radical added to disambiguate. As an example 自 means self but used to mean nose (now 鼻).

>>712823185
My mom complained. I was being too 姦 last night

>>712824289
Was the first one written by Death the Kid?

>>712822190
no kanji is kanji and thats that

>>712822274
>Mao
Why did some Chinese parents literally name their child "Cat" and how did "Cat" manage to become the ruler of mainland China?

>>712825698
different letter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(surname)

>>712825698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtiw721RAg

>>712820059
retard

>>712825297

>>712817983
Its chinese you fucking moron. Even japanese comes from china

>>712827208
why would i lie on the internet?

>>712828068
Well golly me, anon's right. Surely nothing untoward could be happening here.

>>712822274
>there has to be some system to it right?
Not really, no. It evolved organically, then went through quite literally thousands of years of often entirely arbitrary reforms as the system (in such a massive and diverse country without modern communication infrastructure) tended to create local variants that needed to be put back in line by the occassional ambitious ruler that got the whole nation under control. Meaning: a lot of the reforms and changes simply reflects political vogues.

I can tell you one thing though: not all, not even most chinese characters are actually iconographs (e.g. based on original visual resemblance to an actual object).
Most of them are compounds, meaning a bunch of actual iconographs were smushed together, sometimes quite randomly.

For an example, notice that the symbol for cat, dog, pig and monkey start with the same thing (the left side of the symbol). It's actually a simplified version of this symbol: 犬 which means dog which you can understand the resemblance of, but became more general symbol for roughly mamalian species. The rest of the symbol specifies some other condition, like where it lives or what significance it would have.

So yeah, most of these symbols aren't supposed to be a picture of something specific, but a bunch of individual pictures that originally were depicting something, and that were later combined into one based on semiotic associations, rather than visual similarity to subject they represent.
This is also why / how you can get symbols for abstract things that don't have a visual representations.
Like say, for grief. Which I feel over knowing this shit and largely only putting into use in occassional 4chan posts.

>>712828712
i'm not sure what your intention with that picture is but it explicitly states that i'm right and you are wrong

>>712830381
>>712828712
Both of you are right in part, and both of you are massive retards for not realizing it.

Yes, technically kanji quite literally means "chinese characters". But that is also largely a surface level semiotics, because in reality, the way that Japanese use kanji frequently dramatically differs from how they are used on the mainland, including entirely changed simplification conventions, or massive meaning shifts.
Not to mention that unlike Hanzi, Kanji straight up entirely divorces the symbol from it's original phonetic function, because you know... Japanese phonetics are entirely fucking different from Chinese. Making them functionally a very different things in Japanese, even if they are still conventionally labeled as "chinese characters".

>>712831004
>entirely divorces the symbol from it's original phonetic function
Ah yes, cuz on'yomi don't exist.

>>712817723 (OP)
The topmost pictogram looks like a penis in a dead bird

>>712829654
>The rest of the symbol specifies some other condition, like where it lives or what significance it would have.
No, they mostly show the spelling.
猫 is animal (犬 is a simplification error, it used to be 豸 not 犭) + the sound of 苗.... animal word that is pronounced the same as "seedling - miao" = "miao", Chinese for cat

The majority of characters are like that. It's what enables people to guess how to read and interpret the ones they haven't seen yet in a text. Not very well because of some 2500-3000 years of sound changes since the characters were made but still decent enough that it's taught in school.

>>712831004
retard alert

>>712831004
you're fighting against windmills

>>712817723 (OP)
>ancient looks more organic
>traditional looks more refined
>slop

>>712831004
You're the kinda guy who looks at the latin alphabet and goes "Oh yes, American letters".

>>712817983
many radicals theoretically mean something, but once you get more than like, three or four in there, it's basically just random

>>712824118
i memorized 感 very well very quickly because i thought it looked like a pirate face with an eyepatch and a beard

>>712831206
>Ah yes, cuz on'yomi don't exist.
There is literally a ton of kokuji that have fucking on'yomi you moron. Not to mention all the kanji that have multiple on'yomi where there is no corresponding wendu baidu distinction, or that distinction is entirely different one.
Yes. Kanji completely divorces the characters from their original phonetic function. There is not a sinologist or japanese studies professor in the world that would disagree with this assesment.

>>712817983
there are rules to the stroke order but obviously there are exceptions.

>>712831327
You have a good point, I neglected the phonetical function in my explanation. However, plenty of cases where that isn't right. Like, the one for pig, which quite consists of the part that refers to an animal, and the part that refers to cooking (originally, 煮). I'm pretty sure that is a case of semiotic association, not phonetically motivated one.

>>712827790
Come on, everybody knows the Japanese invented the Chinese.

>>712832746
Go and ask one, but remember to use the word "completely" in your question.

>>712833776
>Go and ask one
Considering I used to work with both on daily basis, you can bet your ass I had asked them. Unsurprisingly, when people are knowledgeable on a subject, it's usually because they received formal or professional education on the subject. Meaning they interacted with experts. In fact, it's the experts who told them this shit in the first place.

Now, your turn. Go and actually fucking ask one yourself. You surely do fucking actively maintain connections from people from those fields, don't you? Otherwise, you would not be talking this authoritatively.

>>712818174
Uh actually some aren't like 畑

>>712817723 (OP)
Sonic Wing bonus items

>>712834114
Was the term "completely" used there? If so, then I feel like those professors skipped out on their logic classes. You're using a universal quantifier, and notice how your earlier argument runs of "There is literally a ton of kokuji that have fucking on'yomi" can't even be used to prove such a statement.

>>712818174
Should have fought harder during Tiananmen

>>712822115
They're all the same game

>>712819292
>just use the fucking alphabet already you retards

mao tried but there was too much cultural inertia with chinese characters. thenfact simplified was adopted and actually utilized at all is a miracle.

>>712817983
Most of the characters are made up of a phonetic character telling you the pronunciation and a picture character telling you the meaning. In Japanese the characters are just shoved into the language and don't make any sense and have a gorririan pronounciations.

>>712835681
>If so, then I feel like those professors skipped out on their logic classes.
I'm sure literally dozens upon dozens of people who have been doing this for living are wrong and you are totally right, kiddo.
Again, why don't you ask yourself. Surely that should not be a problem for you.

>>712817983
tons of tricks to moonrunes regardless of language
unfortunately the secrets aren't shared with firthy gaijin/gweilo
e.g. in japan kanken autists (i.e. people studying for kanji exams) know every trick in the book, like the rikusho, looking up etymologies and the formation of each, etc.

>>712822115
>kanji is just japanese for "chinese letters"
no longer the case. kokuji like 働 were invented in japan and backported to china. the system has mutated beyond recognition
>>712822551
>It's probably the most simple one to pick up as you can stumble through it and probably guess right.
hanja motherfucker can you read it?
>>712823185
>>712823368
no one writes kashimashii like 姦しい. the character is associated with rape. everyone writes 囂しい instead

>>712817983
there is

>>712837497
The Latin alphabet has changed since the Latini first settled southeast of Rome, but it's still called the Latin alphabet.

>>712817983
>their order
There is for most of them. You'll learn them naturally pretty fast. For most kanji, you can simply not mess up the stroke order.

>>712819292
Alphabets are the cope of Civilization Secondaries. You'd have a better chance of Korea conquering China and imposing Hangul than natives adopting a phonetic script for themselves.

>>712824395
辛 is literally on ramen packaging all the time

>>712818174
Kanji was created in japan

For me it's Japanese > Traditional > Simplified

嬲る <- double penetration
嫐る <- threesome
㚻 (男 with 女 as lower part ): gay or tranny

>>712833385
There's no rules for stroke order, each character have their own proper stroke order, which may vary depending on if you're writing Chinese or Japanese

>>712843974
>There's no rules for stroke orders
most retarded comment in the thread
you can guess how shit like 爨 is written from the basic rules