What is the Vidya equivalent of Chess?
A game that requires an extremely high IQ

Chess does not require an extremely high IQ, you can become a decent enough player if you learn the meta.

myst riven

>>712830086 (OP)

>>712830365
>Anon says while probably using mods on his first playthrough for games

>>712830365
if that's the case why is competitive chess still a thing?

>>712830743

Because there's still a lot of skill involved and opportunities for player expression, but that doesn't mean it's exclusive to "people with extremely high IQ".

Playing Chess is not that different from playing something like competitive Civilization VI, but you unlike chess they don't have an artificial reputation of being geniuses. Chess is just a game and just like any other game if you learn the meta well enough you can perform better than average person even if you are room temperature IQ.

>>712830086 (OP)
Brood War

Quake 3

>>712831119
I HIGHLY doubt that. Yes learning the moves is easy, the rest requires some intelligence.

>>712830743
Because players are in denial about computers putting them out of commission. It's gotten so bad that players are literally investigated up the asshole off the chance they could cheat by copying a computer's moves.

>>712831469
so you're saying chess does require high iq?

>>712830743
Because at high level it stops being about meta after the third turn

At every level
Turn 1 - see who can do the most disgusting opening to fuck up the game of the opponent, this can be a meme or meta opening, or even something that will be interpreted as a dumb move by the other player, the goal here is to fuck up your opponent initial plan
Turn 2 - Now depends on what position you are after that first round off bullshit, if you are on the attack (or think you are) you are supposed to keep pressure, if you are defending (or your opponent thinks you are) you have to undermine your opponent's advance

Turn 3 - Now is when you finally start playing the mind games and thinking X turns ahead that everyone talks about chess, from now onwards doesn't matter if you do memes, stick to the plan, etc. Your best bet is fuck with the player more than you are fucking the board.

>>712831539
He's too low IQ to get it kek

>>712830086 (OP)
Unironically fighting games are the closest to chess but exchanging high brain power for execution power
If chess is 99% brain and 1% execution, fighting games are 87% execution and 13% brain at low to mid level and 60% execution and 40% brain at high level.
>b-but how can some one with worse execution get at high level
Go look up the dude who got to top 16 in SF4 almost a decade ago with just doing donkey kick and hadookens with ryu

>>712830743
Surely the concept of "being good at something" isn't alien to you? For basically the same reason competitive billiards, competitive knitting, or competitive StarCraft are a thing: there's a lot of room for getting good at the specific task of billiards/knitting/StarCraft/Chess specifically (without being good at any of the others, or proving theorems, or composing fugues, or winning political arguments, or whatever). Smart people are advantaged in each, both in terms of being able to develop more sophisticated mental models like how balls will hit each other, learning the models and patterns quicker and retaining more of them in their memory, and thinking faster (especially in terms of being able to think quickly to move quickly, as comes in handy in knitting and StarCraft). Plus, intelligent people also tend to be better at self-governance, like actually putting in the hours of practice, rather than letting their mind wander or doing something else entirely.

There's this thing called g-loading, which basically means how much the so-called g-factor (that's what you get when you look at how good people are in lots of cognitive tasks, do some statistics, and notice there's an underlying correlating factor between performance in all of them: in everyday language we call that "intelligence"). Chess is g-loaded, but not to any particular degree over most other vaguely cognitive tasks. The second best human in history (and the best player who has taken such tests publicly), Garry Kasparov, was measured 123-135 in the several professional IQ tests he took (although was noted for far more exceptional performance in pattern-recognition and memory), which is high, but not exceptionally high - being the best in your class, basically. I suspect billiards/knitting/StarCraft champions would fairly uniformly have 120+ IQs, too, because being at the absolute top without is unlikely. Of course, literal idiots can play Chess according to rules.

>>712833063
being good at chess doesn't equate to being intelligent? are you saying if i put two people in the room and they both know the meta but one is 80 IQ and the other is 120, the 80 IQ one could win?

>>712833326
Uh...yeah the smarter person will win if they both know the meta...

>>712833398
so IQ does matter in chess?

>>712830743
Competitive chess is just an excuse for chess players to shove a vibrator up their asses.

>>712833484
Yes...?

>"Knight to B4" she says as she takes off her sandals and starts tickling your feet under the table
>"Better hurry up Anon, you're on the clock..."

I used to think chess was high iq until I saw a single thing that one of the top players said. They're a bunch of complete retards, the lot of them. Likewise with top broodwar players

>>712833716
punchable face

>>712830086 (OP)
Elden Ring

>>712833806
>*Fuckable face*
Ftfy

>>712830743
>if that's the case why is competitive chess still a thing?

Unironically because brainlets feel smart watching and playing chess, actual chess masters agree the game gets boring at high levels because you've seen it all

>>712833326
Yes. If both are completely naive to the game and have simply been taught the rules, then I would guess that the smarter person has moderate advantage in perhaps being able to intuit basic concepts like controlling the center of the board or tactics like forks and skewers, and would enjoy a pretty noticeable advantage (like 70-30 expected score). If they both have some basic knowledge but have never played seriously then that probably is reduced, both being able to stand in the shoulders of the same giants. If they trained against each other, then the smarter person would in time git gud faster, probably to the point that they couldn't have meaningful matches. If on the other hand the dumb person was a hobbyist while the smart one merely knew the rules, then the dumb guy would crush.

Low IQ players (retards by force)
>I'll just move a piece here and see what happens. Oh hey look that did something good! Neat!
Middle IQ players (retards by chance)
>If I move the Knight to that section of the board then he'll be able to take my pawn but then I can counter him in 3 turns if he plays according to my analysis and take his Queen. However at that point my rook will be left wide open and then he might be able to put me in check, but then-
High IQ players (retards by choice)
>I'll just move a piece here and see what happens. Oh hey look that did something good! Neat!
It's that simple

kasparov used to defends the new chronology
chess players are not smart at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWuJqCwfjjc
their memory is just average

>>712834071
>actual chess masters
nobody in 4chan can reach fide master status
shut the fuck up moron

>>712834148
Is it that meme?

>>712834695
I didn't even realize it when I typed it but yeah it pretty much is

>"Wow, this chess game is pretty cool, and I want to get good at it. I wonder how the pros did it!"
>Learn that the pros were all children of rich parents and were groomed since birth to become chess machines
Does anyone else feel like this takes away the magic of the whole thing?

>>712834954
>I want to get good at it
if you reach a 2000 fide elo then you are a good player
you dont have to become a grandmaster

>>712830743
China and Russia mafia. We should've moved to 960

>>712830086 (OP)
>What is the Vidya equivalent of Chess?
Chess, the videogame.

>>712835348
SF third strike, actually.

>>712835595
>giving a counterpoint to a joke.
German or autistic?

>>712830743
>>712833063
See, humans don't play Chess by "calculating every move" (neither do serious computer programs, not after Alan Turing's Turochamp that was programmed and tested by running it on pen and paper before programmable digital computers existed, Shannon's 1948 paper already suggests more sophisticated techniques, although they do rely on calculation far more than humans). When you play lots, you start intuitively noticing patterns like just at a glance being able to notice hanging pieces, patterns to capture pieces, or getting a feeling of a king being threatened. This is pretty standard stuff brains do, not at all unlike learning (patterns indicating) good spots to place your feet in when you are hiking in rough terrain. Indeed, brain imaging shows that expert players have their visual cortex hijacked to evaluate positions.

So, when you look at GM Hikaru streaming (the best player who streams actively, currently world's #2) and he thinks out loud, you can see he calculates basically at the speed of any other person. The difference between you and him is that you spend thought-seconds manually checking if a piece is hanging, and he's looking at the top 3 candidate moves on the board that immediately jump to him as worth considering. Being world #2 means he can't be a dummy, because this e.g. requires certain degree of brain plasticity (one of the biological differences between dumb and smart brains), etc, etc, and hence Chess has moderate g-loading rather than not being g-loaded at all, but it demystifies what expert players are doing: nothing magical! Just "being good at something" in the usual boring way that doesn't invoke images of "200 IQ required".

>>712836101
i play chess, what do you think

>>712830743
The game is very unbalanced. It's turn-based, so whoever has the first move has the advantage. The game is too complicated; there are all these weird, stupid strategies, and all sorts of gay shit you have to learn to be good at it.

>>712830086 (OP)
Chess doesn't require high IQ. It just benefits from it.

>>712836192
Bobby Fischer calculated every move doe. Modern game is solved and it's completly trash because of that.

>>712830086 (OP)
Battle chess, obviously (There's ryona).

>>712836994
what the

>>712830086 (OP)
X Beyond the Frontier

>combines concrete tactical calculation with strategic intuition and learned heuristics

>>712830086 (OP)
The "bishop" need a new name btw