>spears are so obscenely powerful that you can literally fight an elephant with one irl
>in every video game they are shit tier
Explain

>>712837642 (OP)
I honestly couldn't tell you, spears have been one of the most simple yet powerful weapons across all of human history but they're always overshadowed by swords :p

They're shit because they need to be shit. A spear that's actually good would outclass so many weapons that the overall game would be boring.

>>712837986
Probably this. Just like with shotguns.

Because spears are now seen as primitive or npc weapons, and can't be allowed to upstage the sword.

Evolution. Animals and people evolved to be resistant to spears, and video games uses the post evolution data. Try it yourself, you won't be able to hurt yourself with one

Common martial misconceptions
>swinging/slashing isn't inferior to thrusting/stabbing in power, speed, angles of attack and in tight spaces
>bigger blade = more damage and not longer handle = more damage

How about peltasts and the humble javelin?

>>712837642 (OP)
>believing this

>>712838235
You see any wooly mammoths around?

>>712838301
one flew over my house last night

>>712837642 (OP)
Long pointy sticks are just not fun to use in games.
But once you start throwing them they become fun again.

>>712837986
>>712838129
Nuke killstreaks in CoD are very satisfying for this reason though

>>712838408
Only because games are poorly coded. In reality all polearms use quarterstaff techniques.

>>712837642 (OP)
They don't look cool or go SHING so skip.

>>712838218
>Middle

Need a Fate game where Cu Chulainn is the main servant. Best spear user.

>>712838547
Wake me up when games become well coded.
I'll sleep for eternity

>>712837642 (OP)
>entertainment opposite to reality is unprecedented
How old are you?

>>712838218
>can one or two shots most enemies
>you can only a few of them
They are nice.

>>712837642 (OP)
>Explain
Projectiles are exponentially safer and more lethal.

>>712840374
>every game being exactly the same in terms of melee options
>entertaining
Old enough to have grown bored with conventional slop I guess.

Alexanderbros... Is this the thread?

>>712840486
Only with firearms. Bows are not particularly lethal against anything but unguarded targets.

>>712838408
>>712838547
Have you played the Halfsword tech demo? Whipping people in the head with the butt end of a billhook is my favorite technique.

>>712838301
Yeah. At your mom's house.

>>712837779
Rule of cool
Spear for war
Sword for duel

>>712840797
what is this? the new chivalry?

>>712840797
That looks jank

>>712840797

>>712840501
Read the question again and respond.

>Explain
When an animal attacks something it risks its body. The base attack of animal kind, the bite, risks your brain, your eyes. It's a fundamental part of why predators attack the weak, the young, the sick. It's why even the biggest predators pause if you post up on them, they're worried you're going to hurt them by fighting back. You try to bite an adult Woolly Rhino as a Cave Lion? One twist of its neck and it's put a horn through your grey matter and it's lights out.
People don't understand what a complete revolution the spear is. The spear risks nothing. Animal lashes out and snaps your spear in half? No big deal that wasn't your head. Wasn't even your arm like animals which slash or dig in with claws. You live to fight another day hell you could pick up another sharp stick and live to fight five seconds later. It completely redefined the risk reward ratio for attacking big game.

>>712840973
Another myth. Spears and polearms were extremely effective in duels.

>>712837642 (OP)
Spears fuck in Souls games though, especially if you can power stance them

It's all because of animations. Game devs don't think about realism they think about how you swing most weapons but primarily thrust with spears and say fuck it no spears or fuck it twirl like a ballerina

>>712840868
I bet you actually PAID for a ticket. LOL

>>712840975
>>712840981
QWOP with swords
Full physics based sim, excellent damage model.

>>712840486
>Firearms are more lethal
Fixed for you. Without even considering the point that the ranged guy can miss, a large shield alone is like 90% proof against projectile weapons. Skirmishers and missile troops had their uses, in some special cases they could be decisive on their own (if you somehow manage to maneuver to shoot/throw javelins point-blank at the opponents from behind or the flanks, ie. enfilade fire) or they can wear down the opponent over periods of time (if you can e.g. resupply extra arrows/javelins during the battle), but there's a reason why prior to gunpowder basically every army was very heavily focused on shock (melee).

>>712841065
You are wrong
What I said rhymed
Now suck my dong

>>712837642 (OP)
Would you rather storm a building full of armed men with a submachine gun or an elephant gun?

>>712841320
>I don't need a bevo-ACK

>>712841360
Haiku is power
Polearms are superior
Any situation

>>712837642 (OP)
You killed them by exhausting them, using fire, scaring them to death and luring them off cliffs.
Spears didn't do jack shit.
Using tactics and your brain did all the work.

>>712841469
Willy doesn't have an ounce of quit in him either, so he's a good training dummy.

>>712841507
Wrong.

>>712841469
>Not wearing neck protection.
A chainmail coif would have been enough to stop this.

>>712841469
this is how i fight in my dreams

>>712841490
What you said makes no image
You are not japanese
I can beat you at cribbage

>>712841627
The romans panicked these with fire so they would trample their own lines.

>>712837642 (OP)
They're good in eldenring

>>712837642 (OP)
Poleaxes, halberds, glaives and guisarme all mog spears.
However poleHAMMERS, pole-morningstars and flails especially mog all of them as the true undisputed king of weapons!

>>712837642 (OP)
Because you need friends if you want spears to be good. Good luck fighting an elephant when your little thingy gets stuck in it's flesh.

>>712840868
Absolutely destroyed him.

>>712838361
>one flew over my house last night
OH SHIT I HAVE SEEN HEM TOO!

>>712841612
>6 inches of spike in his armpit
>takes 4 full force blows from a poleaxe to the neck and head
>finally folds like a lawn chair
>immediately reacquires you with his only weapon and starts to get back up
Is willy a fucking T-800?

>>712837642 (OP)
>>712842473
Why would you want to kill the cute fluffy furry-phant?

>>712840565
Good luck faggots.

>>712841660
That first drag was really nasty but yeah there's really no excuse for the second guy.
>>712841723
Some of the weapons...take some getting used to

>>712838218
When javelins feel properly heavy they're very satisfying

>>712842974
Is this game worth playing?
I felt Exanima was hard to control and cumbersome but I would really love more realistic medieval games without magic or silly dagger wielding, leather wearing fucks and just cool knights, men at arm and peasant militias fighting.

>>712843193
Absolutely, it's free and sounds like it's exactly what you want.
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2397300/Half_Sword/

>>712838218
Javelins make the meleecvck seethe in online games.
HOW DARE YOU NOT FACE ME FAIRLY

I hope they were just as based in past wars

>>712844936
Warband gave me Velitesphobia
>Nord huscarls in Vanilla
>the entirety of Viking Conquest
>any historical mod

I wonder how it felt to hunt and kill a large animal with the boys. I assume really fucking great, lots of sex after with the women in the caves too thereafter

>>712845463
In gekokujo it's guns. Especially those monk rebels.

>>712837642 (OP)
>Ninja gaiden
>Nioh
And others from the same company

>>712845616
>common media trope is samurai viewed firearms as "dishonorable"
>they were actually obsessed with them and demonstrated one of the first recorded uses of volley fire
What caused this?

>>712844936
Usually the combined-arms approach of ancient armies limits javelinmen to screening and skirmishing functions, but Battle of Lechaeum is an example in which a force of Spartan hoplites was caught off guard without supporting troops, and Athenian peltasts defeated the force basically without casualties. Then, if you are mounted, like numidian cavalry, you also have the luxury of riding to enemy force and lobbing your javelins almost point-blank (much more effective than trying to engage at a distance) with little to no risk to yourself: imagine being at a battle like Cannae, having BTFOd Roman cavalry, and then returning to throw javelins at Roman backs, doing feigned retreats and crushing the pockets of enemies that lose their cohesion, etc, etc. And some cultures simply were javelin-heavy in their combat in general, like Celtiberians from whom Romans stole/copied the pilum.

>>712840973
>Rules of cool
This is the same reason by most knights fighting is like 100 dudes having 1v1 duels in movies. In reality one guy would get a knights attention while another comes from behind and topple him over, both dudes then look for any gaps in his armor while he turtles on the ground and you kill him through the gaps.

Not very cinematic and why Hollywood changes shit

>>712845904
Popular perception of early firearms is just totally fucked in general.

>>712845904
Romanization of the samurai, same thing with knights.

>>712840797
Pretty fun game
I still wonder what the fuck that one weapon that looks like a bat with nails but medieval is called

>>712846380
It's a spiked Goedendag

>>712846686
It's literally just a real life greatclub. Second best weapon after the huge-ass hammer.

Far Cry Primal

>>712847113
Probably the peak of the series imo.
What other historical settings would you do a Farcry game in? I think one set in Hawaii during the late 18th century would be pretty sweet

>>712845904
Like most samurai trappings it came from the bakumatsu period. It's like how the katana became revered once samurai were little more than middle manages and white collar types who sometimes raided peasant homes in the city.

>>712837642 (OP)
Retardation
See also:
>helmet are extremely important and can save you from alot of situations
>head is extremely important and if it's unprotected one well placed strike can kill you off
>most heroes doesn't wear helmets and suffer no downsides from it

>>712848281
Bullshit plot armor is stronger than true armor.

>>712837642 (OP)
devs are homos that watched too many fantasy movies so it's just swords everywhere

>>712848521
Fun fact: movies use swords and slashes for action scenes specifically because any sort of pole weapon or thrust is potentially lethal even at slow speeds

>>712837642 (OP)
Pathfinder wrath of the righteous has got you covered. not only are spears viable but they are OP as hell if you have a play as a cavalier with a horse or any animal mount and you charge them

>>712842596
Tasty meat and /fa/ clothing made out of its fur

>>712837642 (OP)
I just beat Bloodborne today with the spear weapon and i did not really had too many problems with it. In most tactical RPGs spearmen are also considered high tier.
I think it just depends on the devs.

>>712837642 (OP)
You should play more army games, swords and spears are not much different in single combat where the spear really shines is in tight formations

>>712850083
>swords and spears are not much different in single combat
That is absolute fucking bullshit.

>>712837779
Fresh fruit not good enough for you, ay?

>>712837642 (OP)
...If you're with like 15 other guys and you have spears to spare
If you're by yourself and only have one spear
Elephants gonna stomp on you

>>712840486
>>712840574
>>712841329
Mongols used composite bows to good effect, anglos used longbows, crossbows were so effective the church decided to ban them. Bows aren't perfect against a heavily armored guy but a lot of warriors didn't have the best armor they had what they could afford

>>712837642 (OP)
Did cavemen really wear loincloths? I doubt they cared about modest, having a poncho for colder months seems plausible.

>>712851649
And you would have better odds with a sword?

>>712852160
Who said that? Why are you making people up?

>Take the Polearm Master + Sentinel feat in BG3.
>Enemies can still move into my range and attack me.
It's not fucking fair bros.

>>712852061
Having your shit out of the way for a fight and a barrier between brambles and your asshole is not really a modesty thing.

Spear good.
Javelin better.

>spears are powerf-ACK!

>>712847568
This was the only Far Cry I cleared out the entire map, every camp and every point of interest, because of how fun it was to chuck spears around.

>>712852627
Based and Hellene-pilled
>>712852808
That's wild as hell lol

>>712845904
It’s because the wrong warlords made it out of the Sengoku era alive and were able to consolidate power and then circlejerk themselves for the next 250 years.

>>712837642 (OP)
>have one group who likes to make fake-fights with equipment
>all the spear is considered a weapon
>can't grab the spear because "you cut your hand" (even when rival is touching it)
>can't tank the non-metal part because previous reason
I can beat spear-nigas without these op rules.

>>712837642 (OP)
They’re not shit tier in BOTW

>>712853876
Break it with your foot.

>>712853303
It was pretty common in Aboriginal tribes to spear someone in the leg for an injustice, evidently it still happens in some places today. Those were cops filming too.

>things that never happened
modern humans romanticize primitive man too much.
spears were likely used more to poke shit in trees than stab animals with them

>>712854041
Then rip foot.

>>712854297
Damn so they just strangled and beat the animals to death with their bare hands while using the spears as fruit pickers? You're making them look even better

>>712847568
I wish they would have gone more fantasy with it and included some dinosaurs too

>>712846686
Good day to you too

>>712837642 (OP)
Because swords ate the chad choice, every ancestor wants to be buried with a sword, the medieval dream was owning a sword collection

Nobody ever wanted a spear

>>712837642 (OP)
This reminded me of being disappointed of when the original Xbox cancelled that caveman game

>>712841320
>>712840797
no multiplayer

>>712837779
only media, irl armies used spears more. Sword was a sidearm. It would be the equivalent of movies 100 years from now showing soldiers fighting with their handguns while the rifles are left behind.

>>712855229
Or maybe it's because swords are fancy sidearms and mostly made of metal, so more expensive
Spears are actually useful and for most of the time mostly consisted of wood sticks

>>712837642 (OP)
I really wish i could just go back in time as an observer just to see how the fuck they would hunt something this big with fucking spears.

>>712837779
Swords are a status symbol and also a versatile side arm.

>>712855416
There's the "split-screen" mod that works with Remote Play, but hopefully they add dedicated multi in the full release. Idk if they have plans to though

>>712840797
When is halfsword gonna get it's full release?

>>712837642 (OP)
The Phoenix Spear in Nier 1/Nier Replicant is one of the best weapons in the game, especially when upgraded.

>>712837642 (OP)
>Crossbow are so obscenely powerful that you completely invalidate expensive plate armor
>in every video game they are shit tier

>>712837642 (OP)
In blade and sorcery they rule. Can trip guys and spear guys through plate armor.

>>712837642 (OP)
This is true for Vintage Story
Devs even decided to NOT add iron and steel spears because they would be meta

>>712858023
>completely invalidate expensive plate armor
This never happened. It was guns that did this

>>712858604
This. At most a crossbow will dent the armor or create a small hole but it cannot pierce through full plate and harm the wearer.

>>712858604
Not even guns did that, as most plate armor could successfully resist firearms. It was just too expensive to equip all the footmen with such.

>>712838218
Javelins are railguns in bannerlord.

>>712858975
A gun can absolutely pierce plate. Even those shitty powdersticks they used in the middle ages can do that. There is a reason why they stopped wearing plate armor.

>For recorded history, swords have been a symbol for royalty, strength, and martial power
>2025 autists that just got shuttled in from youtube archaologist: "SPEARS WERE ALWAYS SUPREME NOBODY EVEN USED SWORDS!!!!"
fucking hipsters

>>712859182
We have contemporary literature proving otherwise.

>>712840797
this game looks and runs like dog shit and it's unreal so it'll probably stay that way I'll stick with exanima thank you very much

>>712837642 (OP)
It might be a shitty game, but I ran two spears in AC Valhalla.

>>712854297
Clearly you need to rewatch Walking with Prehistoric Beasts. There's a reason humans are uniquely evolved to throw shit harder than any other animal on earth.

>>712837986
Weapons are shitty implemented. They are tools for varying distances. In very close combat I'll choose a dagger over a spear anytime. If there's a narrow passage and I have space between the attacker, I choose the spear.

>>712838301
They are spawning, scientists are using gene scissors to add them as enemies in further titles.

>>712838120
>Just like with shotguns.
Not really, or at least not because of any real life reflections. Hard body armor eliminates much of the immediate lethality of shotguns whereas rifles can still run armor-piercing ammunition. Then you have the lack of range compared to even short-barreled rifles with heavier, slower ammunition. They're also too long to be sidearms. That's not to say shotguns aren't dangerous, but their overall application value within the modern battlefield has much stronger cons compared to spears did.

Video game shotguns would often comparatively succeed because most games don't replicate the ranges far beyond where a shotgun would be capable and don't replicate the way real life body armor functions. Spears aren't given similarly advantageous circumstances in vidya, but daggers are nerfed because vidya fights can't descend into grappling.

>>712842030
Based poleaxe brother.
>polehammers
Never heard this distinguishment. I always thought the average poleaxe typically incorporated a hammer head in opposition to the axe (or beak; I was also under the impression that the Bec-de-Corbin was a specific weapon of French origin/use whereas there were other beak-design poleaxes).

>>712860535
>If there's a narrow passage and I have space between the attacker, I choose the spear.
*slides under your spear and you can't turn around because your spear is stuck between the walls*

>>712861225
You watch too many movies. Do you really think that shit would work in real life. That's the same mentality as those retards that think they can disarm someone pointing a gun at them.

>>712845904
Because retards associate the uprising with
>we want to be luddites
and not
>we don't want to lose the privileges of the samurai caste
thanks to stuff like The Last Samurai (still kino though)

A spear was used to kill Jesus. They are fundamentally cowardly and jewish in design.

>>712861556
Shields hard counter them too.

>>712861556
Your enemies can also die due to a heart attack...

Spears are great and all faggots, but there is a reason why they aren't the end-all or be-all in battle and soldiers from hoplites (xiphos) to vikings (Ulfberht) all went into battle with a sword on their hip.

It's because they fucking splinter and break easily when you are poking and prodding to pinch someone, especially jamming them on enemy shields.

If you want le realism in terms of power scale, the pike would shatter in 2 to 3 hits until you have to switch to your blade/longsword. They're good for the initial charge to take down several of the other guy's soldiers, but then you will have to get in and cut people.

>>712860661
wouldn't a slug still break your ribs and majorly fuck you up even through armor?
and unless you're inside a tank, normal shells could hit you in the eyes/hands/unarmored parts
t.noguns

>>712862343
You can't make a apear/javelin/pike that's durable?

>>712861556
that is exactly how it works in real life since guys with swords and shields dominated guys with spears and shields

>>712837642 (OP)
Humans never hunted mammoths.

>>712862817

You dumb bastard

>Scientists have unearthed the remains of five enormous 25,000-year-old woolly mammoths in Austria — and they appear to have been hunted and butchered by ancient humans.

>The mammoths were discovered during an excavation of the Langmannersdorf site, about 40 miles (65 kilometers) west of Vienna; the bones and tusks were clustered in two distinct zones about 49 feet (15 meters) apart, researchers said in a statement.

>In one of the two zones, the research team found the mammoth bones of several individuals piled up together, many of which had marks and scars from human tools — a sign they had been butchered — as well as stone tools scattered nearby.

>https://www.livescience.com/animals/mammoths/25-000-year-old-mammoth-bones-reveal-culture-of-ancient-humans

>>712862980
I wonder what mammoth tastes like.

>>712838218
>Peltasta
Boy, do I have the game for you.

>>712847113
Making the humans into swarthoids ruined it. Wasn't any darkies in the north where mammoth roam.

>>712840565
I always see this posted but I never understood the point of all these men at the back. The 6th man abd behind aren't contributing at all.

>>712863910
In war, if the front man gets hit they'll find a way to get him to the back while someone else is now at the front rank and the whole thing keeps working.

>>712862817
Lmao just because you're a coward doesn't mean your ancestors were
Human beings weren't solely responsible for the mammoth's decline but they did hunt them plenty

>>712840565
These niggas run up on me I'll shoot em with my AR-15

>>712863910
>guy up front gets tired
>sees a small break in the action
>hauls his pike up, wheels to the rear of the formation
>gets to rest as everyone shifts forward
That's the real reason flanking won fights, the chaos was important but the real deal was that no more could guys on the front get a nice and orderly sequential 1v1 with his enemy then let someone else take over when he's exhausted, he has to fucking hold because the guy he took over for is also fighting for his life

>>712858023
Longbows were better at defeating armor than crossbows, but they had the downside of requiring a lifetime of practice to use correctly. Crossbows are much easier to use and aim at short range, but were way slower to ready again. Properly trained longbow users could fire 7-8 on target shots at a longer range by the time a crossbow could fire 2 (and 2 is all you'll get if you're being charged by cavalry). Longbows could decimate a cavalry charge by pure quantity of armor piercing missles wounding both men and horses. You'd need almost 10 times as men with crossbows to match that output, and with less margin for error since the enemy would have to be significantly closer.
This is all in the history books when the English were bullying most of Europe with their longbows. Piss poor peasant dirt farmers who were encouraged/mandated to practice with longbows their entire life absolutely BTFO of the French aristocracy who were almost all knights on horses. It was so one-sided the French named these soldiers "Hellequins" and claimed they were the Devil's tools.

>>712862343
>It's because they fucking splinter and break easily
No they don't

>>712859481
>St. George
>Longinus
>Odin
>Cuchulainn
>Tonbokiri, Nihongo, Otegine
>Poseidon / Neptune / Nethuns
>Athena
>Royal staves
>Zeus bolts
>Mongol spear culture
>Murugan
>Lúin of Celtchar
>Izangai, Izanami
>Guan Yu
>Achilles
>Rhongomyniad
>Zhang Fei
>Fuchai
>Lugh
>Durga
>Shiva
All divine spears or mythic spear users. Your turn, swordigger.

>>712837642 (OP)
Spears achieve critical mass in greater numbers, but lose effectiveness with improving armour technology or in smaller numbers.

>>712837642 (OP)
>pistol in vidya
>does worse damage than punching with your fist

>>712837779
Swords are a status symbol and easy to carry around. Spears were more of a tool of war and what most anti-cavalry used. Horses also were symbol of status.
So spears got a bad wrap.

>>712867980
That's not even true.
>George Silver, in his “Paradoxes of Defense”, describes how one person with a staff can beat two men with swords (1599)

>>712868467
What was the ranking of the weapons again?

Polearm beats Spear, and Pike beats Polearm or something like that?

>>712840565
what happens if I just walk to the side?

>>712862509
You want the shaft made of metal? will be heavy as fuck

>>712838167
okay retard, please demonstrate a video of yourself falling on a spear.

>>712870939
you get to meet the companions cavalry or the silver shields

>>712870939
You get trampled by the horsemen

>>712840565
Unironically how do you beat this?
And no don't say catapults give me a real answer

>>712872553
Longer spears and lots of archers

>>712872553
Arrows
or flank them

>>712858981
*thunk* *thunk* *thunk*

>>712869074
There's no strict ranking. But generally speaking polearms are deadlier than short hafted weapons outside of very specialized circumstances.

>>712870939
you win, like the Romans did

>it's another "retard thinks romans just ran around with short sword shock troops" episode

>>712838120
Assuming unarmored opponents and no need for more than 4 to 8 shots, there is a fairly short range where shotguns could be as good as or better than a 5.56 rifle. Roughly 50 yards I'd say. The range where shotguns increase your hit probability is also even shorter - at close range the shot does not spread out that much, and eventually it spreads out too much. But you may have an advantage over an unarmored rifle user at, say, 35 yards. Even then your typical AR-type rifle may have better weight and handling than your typical pump action or semi auto shotgun. I suppose your typical shotgun combat scenario is home defense, so you can choose shot that is effective at close range but doesn't overpenetrate walls as much as rifle bullets would.
Shotguns really shine in their versatility for hunting various sizes of animals and hitting flying targets like birds or drones.
Video games like to exaggerate shotguns with some strengths and some weaknesses. Of all games Phantom Forces has some of the more accurate buckshot physics I have seen. Many people think the shotguns there are overpowered but they're somewhat balanced by penetration, prefiring tactics, range and velocity limitations. It is perfectly possible to make an FPS game with realistic shotguns that aren't OP depending on health/armor and map design.
IRL I'm no expert but I would not consider shotguns to be better than SMGS or assault rifles at very close range - at least not better enough to make a big difference. Even in my house, I wouldn't feel that I have an advantage with my 870 over an intruder who brought an AR. It is still one shot to kill or permanently maim for both weapons.
>>712862412
It depends on the armor. A 1 oz slug could quite likely kill someone wearing soft armor, but with plate armor that distributes the force well there may not be serious injuries.
I recently saw a good video about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edl3Rk8Pr28

>>712872553
the romans just used more mobile heavy infantry that could maneuver around them. it was a lot easier to move maniples around

>>712837642 (OP)
Spear was so OP in Mordhau it had to be nerfed like 10 times.

>>712855537
>>712857523
>>712868406
lmao @ these midwits not realizing they got baited

>>712859182
The word bulletproof comes the practice of shooting plate armor to prove that it DID stop the bullet. You might buy a brand new armor with a dent in it from that. The word prove meant trial, test, demonstration. Just like "the exception proves the rule" actually means "the exception tests the rule."

>>712863574
I’ve never had elephant, but I would bet it’s in the ballpark.

>>712837986
>>712838120
>play a game with realistic weapons
>you take one grazing hit from any, read: any, weapon
>you're out of the fight and have to go home
>you're done
>you're finished
>you can't fight anymore

>at home you have a wife and children, and you work only a few hours of the day when sowing and harvesting
>pay your lord basically nothing in rent with what you harvest (unless you're Chinese, then good luck eating real food!)
>brew beer with the boys
>be happy

>>712841660
It's lesson 1 in dwarf fortress

>>712872553
>>712875557
The Romans defeated Macedonians phalanxes in battles where they were able to flank them because part of the Macedonian army had fallen elsewhere. In other battles like Pydna there were mitagating factors which led to the loss of Macedonian forces. It really has nothing to do with Roman infantry vs Phalanx. It's mostly video game logic that leads to such erroneous conclusions.


The Romans themselves typically used strategies as such
>when advancing they threw their pilum to break up formations and engage with gladius when close
>when defending they fell back into a more traditional phalanx formation and used their heavier pilum as a more traditional thrusting spear

It's also important to note that both legions and phalanxes were simply part of larger combined arms strategies which typically employed cavalry and skirmishers. The phalanx in particular was used as a anvil and hammer technique with cavalry which relied on flanking opponents with an immovable phalanx while the cavalry charged from another side. The Roman heavy infantry tended to be more flexible in various types of terrains which called for mobility but the phalanx was a powerhouse in open field pitched battles.

The whole legion vs phalanx thing is a low IQ historylet vidya tier arguement used by swordfags.

>>712840973
But spears are also cool and have ton of awesome imagery potential.

>>712860661
Let me shoot you with a shotgun while you’re wearing “hard armor”

>>712840797
>nerfed the physics and movement system
>can't whip the spear around like you just crawled out of Dynasty Warriors
>runs like shit and turns your potato into a PS3
I hate the new gore system that runs far worse than the last one. While no longer having the ability to methodically carve the flesh of a dude's leg with a blunt sickle. There is nothing fun about tapping the enemy and watching his feet explode. Considering how perfect their first iteration was.

>>712837642 (OP)
Spear and greatshield trivializes Elden Ring and every Dark Souls game

>>712877218
I thought I was just going schizo but I genuinely felt like they made the physics even less intuitive then they already were, it's not fun to play it anymore when I have to fight against the controls to the 1millionth degree. Guess im gonna wait for that kinstrife game instead.

>>712841745

>>712860618
>They are spawning
yeh then they'll get speared again

BIG SECRET: Most shields were actually held like this

You held them projected out in front of you for several reasons: they afforded greater coverage, they blocked your opponent's vision, it took smaller movements to meet an attack

Shields held against the body with a strap were typically because you needed to use your second hand for something else like controlling a steed

>>712877298
Everything got stiffened up to placate HEMAfags under the pretenses of realism. The stamina system further erodes any ability to go full retard with the helicopter arms. One of the updates turned the AI into a bunch of ass grabbing faggots that aren't really affected by either of these changes. Since they removed the original concept demo a while back there is no way to run direct comparisons to see how it used to run.