Thread 712854086

Admit it. You got filtered.

This game being super hard is people remembering wrong. Its Hero mode that's hard not the regular game. And you have to beat the game to unlock Hero mode.

>>712854086 (OP)
No, I've beaten it when it came out.
I have beaten it again recently, and holy fuck the writing is dumb and edgy.

>>712854163
what's the differnce

>>712854346
The writing is hilarious. Daxter is the best pervert smartass sidekick.

>>712854825
Daxter is great, I'll give you that.
Everything else is... well 11 year old me loved it so they must have known their audience I guess.

>>712854825
jak and daxter is the game I think of when I think games never needed graphics beyond 6th gen fidelity
the game is extremely expressive and looks and plays great, why the fuck would you ever waste more development time on useless shit and higher res assets when it's completely possible to have such a nice looking game on that level of hardware

>>712855156
ezpz, just jetboard out.

Nope, best naughty dog game and it’s not even close.

>running away section
>slum escape section
>rail turret section
>shooting range timer
I don't know if it'd be hard if I played it as an adult, but the fishing minigame in 1 still was, so I don't want to play this one again.

>>712855317
I agree but
>higher res assets
I think modern stuff allows for things looking 10x better than PS2 games and that's a good thing.
What I disagree with is the trend chasing AI generated frames, RTX on, and hiring talentless hacks to put together a fake game in Unreal or whatever engine of their choice is.

>>712854415
Hero mode changed some of the missions to make them more difficult by having more enemies and you taking more damage. There's one mission where you are sitting in a car thing with a turret that is extremely hard in Hero mode.

I haven't played Renegade in like two decades but the tower crumbling down after you place down the flag is a fucking core memory for me

>>712854086 (OP)
The best sixth generation PS2 exclusive from 2003

>>712854825
I like Daxter and he's pretty fun, but he's pretty useless in the game. He doesn't play an active role in the gameplay, unlike other sidekicks like Kazooie and Clank.

>>712856994
i would rather games go back to looking like they did on ps2/GameCube than wait 5+ years at minimum for fucking anything to ever release
games take too fucking long to make because of bloated uncompressed asset creation which necessitates bloated budgets and outsourcing and less games being made because there's too much financial risk and what games ARE being made are all made by committee slop because all they care about is getting a return on their one huge decade long investment instead of just releasing a bunch of smaller scale actually good games
graphicsniggering has ruined the entire industry

>1996: Crash 1
>1997: Crash 2
>1998: Crash 3
>1999: Crash Team Racing
>2001: Jak and Daxter
>2003: Jak II
>2004: Jak 3
>2005: Jak X Combat Racing

To think that Naughty Dog made all that kino in just 11 years (development of Crash 1 started in 1995)

>>712859585
Same

>>712857516
I don't think the eco ship mission is even possible on Hero Mode.

>>712857767
Clank isn't exactly a fair comparison, he's one of the best sidekicks in gaming, to the point that sidekick isn't the best descriptor and he's just a protagonist like Ratchet is.
Daxter is contentious because we know from his own game that he did fucking nothing to help break Jak out of prison for two years, once he does, the most Daxter does is shoot while Jak drives and grab hard to reach objects for Jak, everything else is situational like Jak getting too pissy to race and in cutscenes it's clear that Jak only keeps Daxter around because he's his friend, in fact Jak 2 actually shows multiple times that Jak doesn't need Daxter to help him with a lot of things and his sneeze even gets them found out by Praxis.
I suppose Daxter never lost faith in Jak, unlike Kiera, but Samos didn't either, so he's not unique in that respect, Daxter just kind of sucks whenever he isn't funny because that's all he really has going for him as a character.

There was a hover or jet race mission on the water where you needed to collect or go through rings that I just couldn't beat. But I can't find the mission on youtube. Does anyone know?

>>712862292
Sounds like one of the Krew missions.

>>712862292
Maybe it was this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThGI7LPsQsw
Although you did mention rings, that might be the race with Errol through the streets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyTv-COpL9Q

>>712854825
Current Naughty Dog would never allow this. I heard there is a rumor a J&D remake is in the works, and i don't want them touching it

>>712859992
>then Uncharted and Last of Us happened
What went wrong?

>>712854825
It was a better time.

>>712863101
If there is a new J&D, especially a remake, it wouldn't be ND working on it.
They tried making Jak 4 and nobody liked the direction is was going in, so the project's resources were shifted to a new IP (which became The Last of Us).

I've never been able to beat that mission where you need to battle through the water slum with the million crimson guards. I also got hard filtered from the significant tonal shift as a kid, and I don't appreciate the grimdark humour/post apocalyptic setting as an adult.

>>712863282
I'm going to guess all the low T coder virgins were muscled out by women, high-oestrogen males, tired career workers just looking to jump ship, and half the budget was spent on HR and managerial staff
Like all artists, animators and programmers in the transition to a feminist workplace

>>712854086 (OP)
Would he had looked better without the goatee?

kira was still best girl even after the time skip

>>712863478
Fighting in that section isn't worth it, the better strategy is to use the hoverboat to rush through and jump over crowds.

>>712863556
You can toggle it off in game. You might need to collect some orbs for it though.

>>712863604
As a clueless kid I gave up pretty quicky, I did try again like 10 years later and even just trying to skip fighting I think I'd just end up colliding with something and eating shit regardless.
I still have no idea how the game ends nor do I really care.

what would this series have looked like now if it were still going?

>>712863083
Im not exactly sure if it was the first video but it definitely took place on water. Are there no other similar time based missions on water? Maybe one where you're riding on top of a missile shaped thing?

imagine being filtered by a game i beat as a dumb little boy lool boomers are pathetic

>>712863478
>water slum
Yeah, most children were filtered there
>tonal shift
>grimdark humour/post apoc
Same here

>>712856994
For the slum escape, you can hop on your hoverboard and you'll outpace the spawn of the guards
Saw it in some thread here probably 10 years ago and it blew my fucking mind. Not even difficult you just ride forward and escape

weirdly enough as a kid I found jak 3 to be harder over jak 2

>>712863946
>Maybe one where you're riding on top of a missile shaped thing?
That's Jak 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yojP-S-2c

>>712863567
Best girl was banished to the literal shadow realm after her first game. What a shame. At least she was added into the model viewer in Jak 3.

>>712864212
she was actually supposed to be a main villian in jak 3 in the scrapped original plot.

>>712856183
This image hits too close to home.

>>712863938
Let's ask A.I.:

1. Open-World Structure (Post-PS2 Era Onward)

By the PS3 era, Jak and Daxter would have likely become fully open-world in the vein of GTA, Horizon, or Spider-Man, taking the open-ended hubs of Jak II and Jak 3 and expanding them. Think: seamless cities, wastelands, jungle ruins, and aerial traversal via hover vehicles.

2. Deeper Combat Systems

Combat would evolve into a hybrid of third-person shooter and melee action, influenced by games like Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, and God of War. Expect:

-Modular weapon customization (Eco-infused tech)

-Skill trees for both Jak and Daxter

-Faction systems and side quests with branching outcomes

3. Eco Powers as RPG Systems

Jak's Eco powers (Light, Dark, Green, etc.) would become a dynamic progression system akin to infamous or Mass Effect. Players might align with different Eco factions or specialize their powers via upgrades and choices.

4. Co-op or Companion Mechanics

A playable Daxter — either in co-op or tag-team gameplay — would finally be a core feature. Think dynamic synergy mechanics like in It Takes Two, or AI-controlled Daxter with unique tools and puzzle-solving capabilities.

>>712864645
Visual & World Design:

1. AAA Visual Fidelity
With Naughty Dog's modern engine work on The Last of Us Part II and Uncharted 4, expect:

-Real-time lighting and weather cycles

-Lush, dense, reactive environments

-Cinematic animations and lifelike character models — while maintaining a slightly stylized, Pixar-like edge

2. Darker but Balanced Tone

-Following the tonal maturity from Jak II onward, modern entries would balance darker themes (political corruption, Eco wars, ethical technology) with the franchise's signature humor and platforming whimsy. Narrative Themes in 2025
Eco Crisis and Environmental Collapse: Given today's climate concerns, the lore of Eco would be recontextualized as a commentary on sustainability and exploitation of natural resources.

-Identity and Evolution: Jak's struggle with his Eco powers and Daxter’s existential journey (still comic but more heartfelt) would be core emotional threads.

-Multiverse/Eco Rift Theory: Building on Jak X and The Lost Frontier, the series might explore multiple timelines or rift-based realities — similar to Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart.

Live Service & Online Elements?
Naughty Dog might have flirted with:

-A Jak X-style online racer with seasonal updates

-Community Eco challenges

-Customizable characters or vehicles

-Optional multiplayer co-op for major missions

But given their resistance to full-on live service (as seen with the scrapped The Last of Us multiplayer project), this would likely be an optional or spin-off experience.

Spin-offs & Side Projects

-VR Eco Experience: A Moss-style immersive Eco exploration game

-Daxter 2 (Indie-scale Adventure): Following up the PSP game with more charm and polish

-Animated Series or Film (Sony Pictures): Given the Uncharted movie and TLoU TV success, a Jak and Daxter animated project would be likely on Netflix or Sony’s own streaming platforms.

Copypasting AI is literal bot posting

>>712864106
Oh shit this might be what I was talking about. Is this the only water/race mission in Jak 3? Cause the location definitely matches but watching that video I wondered if it was maybe a similar but different mission that I got stuck on. Legit one of the like 2 times in my life where I had to quit playing a game cause I couldn't beat it.

>>712865267
This is the other main port mission from 3, it doesn't have any ring missions over the port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHUtcDzmFMA

>>712865237
I thought some of it was interesting

>>712865459
It has a literal hallucination about Naughtydog making a virtual reality game based on eco, the least interesting part of the game series.
Do you not have a brain? Can you not think for yourself?

>>712854086 (OP)
I don't know about that but I remember getting stuck FOREVER on that fucking dock mission with the extended crimson chins ambush when I was a wee lad

>>712865586
I said some of it
Chill you sperg

>>712865826
>isn't addicted to AI
>"sperg"
It really is 2025

>>712865923
Okay?

>>712854086 (OP)
it's one of my favorite games, though?

As usual, the Japanese boxart is the best version.

>>712865450
Then it's the first one you posted with Daxter riding the missile. Now it doesn't look THAT bad watching that video but I must have retried it at least 20 times before I gave up on it. I remember it was difficult to manoeuvre the missile. Guess I'm the only one who got filtered there huh?

>>712864272
Wait really? What a waste on ND's part it'd been better than Errol who no one cared about or the Dark Makers who were almost non-existent as antagonist..

>>712866640
the scrapped OG plot was fucking wild but here is what I remember
>precursers want to decide who will be the owners of the planet
>instigate a race war
>the twins from 1 would come back and lead the dark makers (not ayy lmaos)
>the metal heads would be a second faction
>humans would be the third
>each mission would be about reclaiming parts of the city
>do desert stuff

Finally getting around to playing these games (Sly was my shit and the only game of Jak I ever owned was X because Naughty Dog racing games are fun), imagine my shock discovering that Daxter wasn't always a furry guy. On the second village now, game seems to be going by very quickly.

>>712866780
Them returning would have been neat also would be funny if one of them came back as a Ottsel I really hate how Naughty Dog just ended the plot there with the Dark Makers could have gone into more of Daxter embracing his new role as a Precusors maybe have him do some crazy sage shit.

>>712867023
Have fun. Don't get filtered by 2.

My first crush and still best girl

>>712854086 (OP)
i always thought jak was a racing series because i only had jak x combat racing for years before i discovered the other ones, now i just cant play it without thinking about racing

>>712856183
I remember reading a fanfic about 20 years ago that expanded on Keira's perspective. This moment was one of the best bits of it.

>>712867667
You should be able to pick up 3 quite well then.

>>712867717
The last one is what happens when Druckman takes over your series.

>>712867717
Her fourth model looks so soulless.

>>712854086 (OP)
When I was a kid, yes
It was the stupid whackamole in the bar

>>712867717
Original has the best eyes and bare toes

>>712867839
I was gonna say
>It wasn't Naughty Dog that made The Lost Frontier
but then I looked it up and it turns out that he was the writer for this game anyways. Her personality was gone by 3 anyways; she had practically no lines or role in the plot.

>>712866780
>>712866640
>>712864272
Yeah, the original plot got scrapped because the guy who headed 1 and 2 went on vacation or something and got replaced by Amy Hennig, who scrapped the whole race war plot.

>>712863556
Not in 2002

>>712867023
Just making sure, you are playing on opengoal, right?

>>712867839
>>712868205
Druckmann only wrote the initial concept for Lost Frontier that was being worked on at ND. Once it got passed off to High Impact, ND had nothing to do with it whatsoever and Druckmann was shadowing under Hennig for the Uncharted titles.
So, you can probably blame Druckmann for the whole "run out of world" idea which to be fair, is set up in the original titles. The whole idea is that Jak's world is unfinished, the precusors just stopped making it and left all their shit there.
As for specific character writing? That falls to High Impact.

>>712868541
Who what when now?
>Looks it up
Son of a bitch. It even has a native Linux build.

You'll never make me have nostalgia for the GTA clone train.

>>712854086 (OP)
I replayed some of my old favorite PS2 games via emulator recently. imo the Sly Cooper series holds up excellently and Jak 2 and 3 aged pretty poorly even though I loved them when I first played them.
Still never played Jack & Daxter though.

>>712868632
Oof. Opengoal is the best way to play Jak1/2 and soon Jak 3. It's buttery smooth, has button rebinding, supports mouse and keyboard, mods and has 144fps support.
Please tell me you were at least playing the PS3 Remasters, and not the shitty PS4 emulation.

>>712868889
Still never played Jack & Daxter though
It's the best collectathon in the genre, so you've got a lot to look forward too.

>>712868954
PCSX2

>>712869017
Yeah, switch to opengoal. At least you didn't waste money on the abhorrent PS4 port with broken audio and shit frame rate.

>>712854086 (OP)
I finished it and got giant dark jak.

>>712867717
god i fucking hate her model in 3. they made her ugly as shit on purpose so they could put keira on the sidelines and make ashelin jak's gf

>>712870586
I thought Ashelin ended up with Torn?

>>712870586
what's wrong with her mk3 model? they made her asian which is very good

>>712854086 (OP)
I never did though. I was able to beat this game. It did have its difficult moments but nothing so hard that took me days to complete. Awesome game, too bad Naughty Dog would never be able to make another one of these without shitting it up.

>>712854086 (OP)
This and Whitney's Miltank are two things I didn't know were supposed to be hard until I started posting on vidya forums.

>>712854086 (OP)
Recently replayed it. Honestly, how the fuck did I ever manage to beat this as a kid?

>>712871858
Most of the game isn't hard, but there are some heavy difficult spikes

>>712861687
nah i've beaten that game a thousand times.
it's just absurdly difficult.

>>712872561
I remember having trouble on the last boss, but that was literally it. I think out of the whole Jak trilogy he was the hardest part for me with the last boss of Jak 3 being the second hardest because I couldn't control the car worth a shit. I don't remember being particularly stuck on any other parts.

>>712872561
this bit was the first time i ever swore in front of my parents. lmao good times

>>712870715
>I thought Ashelin ended up with Torn?
In the second game she very much does. In the third game however Keira is unvoiced for most of the ride (I think because of IRL voice actress issues), so I guess the devs decided to minimize Keira's role in the story and turn Ashelin into Jak's new girlfriend.

This game would have been 10x better if the ammo drops weren't so shit, and it refilled when you died. No, I don't want to use the fucking rifle, give me Vulcan ammo.

Jak trilogy vs Sly trilogy. Only time will tell what was the best trilogy on the PS2.

>>712854086 (OP)
Why was that stupid looking beard a thing in the early 2000s?

>>712873792
R&C has always cleared both

>>712873792
I don't know, the tonal dissonance between the Jak games is stark enough I think it's reasonable to claim that there is no trilogy, just three games in the Jak universe. That'd mean R&C wins by default. R&C still wins anyway, but the point stands.

>>712854086 (OP)
I did, still haven't beaten it, usually only replay 1

>>712873864
It was the broccoli hair of its time.

>>712854825
this would never fly by today

>>712872561
This image just triggered a rage I haven't experienced in 20 years lmao

>>712874080
Tonal dissonance is what makes the Jak games so great.

>>712872561
this one wasnt even that hard compared to the tank at the start

>>712854825
>>712874286
never forget what they took from you

>>712855384
>>712855384
>>712855384
>>712855384
this but unironically holy shit sorry man kinda overreacted there can you forgive me haha

most of my time in jak 2 was spent mindlessly raping guards with dark jak and giant dark jak and most of my time in jak 3 was spent shitting around in the wasteland in a car or larping that i was fighting a war against the metal heads in the city and killing them with the guards

>>712870586
Her voice and model in 1 was perfect. 2 made her eyes a different shape and her face less cute

>>712874493
>or larping that i was fighting a war against the metal heads in the city and killing them with the guards
This was so good

>>712856994
lol? the fishing game in 1 is so easy i do it on the first try every time

t. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>712874552
i remember if you stood in a way that two guards lined up one would shoot another and then that guy would get up and they would start shooting back instead of at you
i wonder how it took me 30 years to realize i have autism

>>712868954
>using mouse and keyboard for a 3D platformer

>>712862230
>Gameplay sections with Daxter
>It's basically playing with Jak but smaller
What a waste. At least they did something more useful with him than in the first game since before he was limited to throwing sarcastic comments and giving occasional advice.

I want a Jak 1 spiritual successor

>>712854086 (OP)
I don't remember it being hard as a kid. Then again when replaying 2 a decade later I forgot that the first games melee combat was still important and got stuck at Krimson Guard constantly attacking you leaving the water slums mission. It really is a shame 3 is so easy due to not balancing the reflector mod

>>712877393
>I forgot that the first games melee combat was still important
this, most of the encounters in jak2 are easier to go through with just melee. could you imagine this retard anon from a few weeks ago who was so bad at the game he got filtered by the melee controls
>On foot it's practically a bullet hell with almost no ability to aim, there's an entire melee system that is completely useless because trying to use it will cause you to take way more damage with zero forgiveness for anything less than absolute perfection.

was the PAL version easier or something? because I don't remember the game being hard at all

>>712854086 (OP)
Jak 2's driving sections were awful
>only 2 real vehicles
>no radio music
>despite being based around a more colorful and popping artstyle, the map is blander, dirtier, and is harder to memorize than GTA III's
>corridors, corridors, and more corridors that just piss you off with unnecessarily tight turns
>no radio music
>no good vehicle deformation system
>wanted system is basically nonexistent and can be outwitted by simply shifting vertical lanes
>pads out an already mission heavy game with essentially dead air
>the pedestrian AI sucks and they have no funny or memorable lines
>no radio music

>>712863556
How come he only had a goatee and not a full beard? Did the Baron have his guards shave Jak during the 2 year imprisonment?

>>712854086 (OP)
No, I played it over a weekend rental and loved it. For the record I think it's about as good as Jak and Daxter, but I hate Jak 3.

>>712855156
That one fucked me over as a kid took me months to get past because I would trying fighting through the guards and getting swamped.
Now I just run and jump past them or use the hoverboard and don't have any issues.

The one where the tank chases while targeting you got me too, feel like both of these should have at least been later in the game so you have more time to get your bearings.

>>712868435
Of course a woman had to ruin everything

>>712854086 (OP)
Played through Jak 1 recently using the fan made PC port (which is amazing btw). The game has a cool setting and nice 90's comic book vibes, but the gameplay fucking sucked. The double jump only triggering during specific frames of your jump arc is so retarded, it's like you're playing a shitty rhythm game every single time you jump. And you need to collect 50 thingies to restore 1 (ONE) hit point? WTF, you're never gonna do it, why even include this mechanic lmao

And now I'm scared about trying 2, cause everyone says it's worse and has open world slop/GTA elements, as well as giga unbalanced difficulty spikes. But maybe it's worth it if there's no more garbage platforming?

>>712854825
God, I miss Daxter. I miss when humor was actually funny and not buried under dozens of layers of irony and self loathing. Jak 2 was simultaneously the edgiest and funniest game ever made. They just don’t make ‘em like that anymore

>>712879393
Jak 1 is basically open-world Crash Bandicoot
While 2 and 3 are somewhere between GTA and R&C.
Very little in common beyond the items and world-building.