Thread 712861237

>$90
>no analog triggers

Lol

>>712861237 (OP)
>Playing raceslop
There are no sim racers on Nintendo systems anyway, who cares

>>712861298
And the cope dont stop coming
>And it dont stop coming
>And it dont stop coming
>And it dont stop coming
>And it dont stop coming
>...

>>712861298
Just buy the new nintendo gamecube (tm) controller to play your emulated subscription service games, gaijin!

>$90
>broken Dpad that gives false inputs
>makes it impossible to play 2D platformer games like Mario
>this is the "perfect controlled" made by the Mario company
Has there been a worse design fuckup in the history of console controllers? It would be like the Xbox360 releasing without triggers and broken analog sticks after they solidified themselves as the dudebro FPS console.

The analog sticks are misasligned is the worst design offense here.

>>712861719
Dpad seems fine?

Summary of 4chan /v/ Thread Discussion on Nintendo Controller Design
Main Criticisms

Price Concerns

Controller costs >$90.

Missing Features

Lacks analog triggers, which are standard in modern controllers.

Hardware Flaws

Broken D-pad: Causes false inputs, affecting gameplay in 2D platformers like Mario.

Misaligned analog sticks, called a major design flaw.

Sarcasm & Reactions

Users mock Nintendo’s decisions with sarcastic remarks and memes.

Reference to Nintendo's historical controller designs and subscription-based emulation.

Jabs at fan loyalty and perceived poor hardware for "premium" pricing.

Broader Implications

Compared to hypothetical Xbox 360 releasing with similarly broken inputs.

Suggests this may be one of the worst controller design failures in console history.

>>712861873
when you hold up, it will randomly give left/right and vice versa. Random diagonal inputs.

>>712862112
Imagine buying anything from modern Nintendo

>>712861719
I TOLD YOU THAT DPAD WAS SHIT FROM THE GO

>>712861873
If it is anything like the Switch Pro 1 dpad (it looks identical). Go play THPS and say that again.

>>712861237 (OP)
> analog triggers
Fuck that. I'm waiting for back paddles to become standard. These buttons are so useful it's not even funny. As an example I can sprint or dodge in action games without ever taking my thumb either off the camera controls (right analog) or the attack buttons which are usually the face buttons.

>>712861237 (OP)
Digital triggers shake the control far less when playing with gyro and especially when using a semi-auto weapon. This is preferable for anyone who uses gyro which is a dozen times better than just stick for shooters.

>>712861237 (OP)
Such a weird complaint.
I'll spend this on one night out. Better to spend it on something I'll use for years than on dinner and a couple drinks.

>>712861237 (OP)
Analog triggers are a meme. This thing is $90 and only has 2 back buttons and still uses potentiometers for sticks.

>>712861719
And Nintendo sloptubers tried to convince everyone that the Pro Controller 2 was going to be the new standard in fightpads, too. Fucking LMAO.

>>712861237 (OP)
Anon, don't you know that features are only good when Nintendo currently has them and bad when they don't?

>>712861237 (OP)
FUCKER

>>712863060
Also it's almost a total 180 from the Pro Controller 1 in terms of self-serviceability, standardization, and flexibility of use.

>>712863724
Thank fuck I'm a PC chad

>>712862985
Retard

>>712861237 (OP)
I dont get why anyone wouldn't want analog triggers. If they're not gonna be analog you might as well just use shoulder buttons.

>>712863812
Considering the Switch 2 Pro Controller offers nothing new that PC compatible controllers (including 3rd-party Switch 1 compatible controllers) haven't been offering for nearly a decade, Nintendo going so far out of their way to try boxing out PC and phone connectivity this time around across as extremely petty and power-hungry.

>>712861237 (OP)
this controller is shit unironically get the wii u pro controller

>>712864374
Using a switch pro controller on PC is awful anyway since the confirm/cancel layout is opposite

Everything was pressure sensitive on the fucking PS2 100 years ago. Why is this shit going backwards

>>712864517
>wii u pro controller
still undefeated for anything that doesn't need analog triggers. The massive battery is a huge plus and it's still very light despite that. Still don't get how they fucked the next two Dpads in switch 1 and 2

>>712864340
They don't do anything in 99% of games.

>>712864981
Nintendo(tm)

>>712861237 (OP)
>>no analog triggers
lol u troon. some people pay premium for click triggers

>>712865526
>people

Retards

>>712864895
there's an option on steam to switch that

>>712864981
tendies think anything that isnt mario kart or kirby is a harcore sim for people pretending to be adults.

>>712865679
peak for FPS and almost any other game
if you play racing games and are not into simrigs you're simply a fag that needs to suck some cock

>>712866093
Tendie cuck cope. Get the wallet ready retard.

>>712865356
I'd still rather have them than not. You could just map shoot to r1 and still have a functioning trigger.

>>712867845
That's a shitty compromise.

>console babies arguing over controllers when KB+M exists
Lol its like watch retards arguing over whose smarter.

>>712868020
That's the perfect compromise. You're getting both a digital button and an analog trigger. What more could you want?

>>712868272
Bumpers are in a shitty position and aren't shaped in a way to make them triggers. There's a reason why Sony dropped that concept after the PS3.

>>712868647
Why do you want them to be shaped like triggers anyway if they aren't going to be actual triggers? Using L1 and R1 on a ps3 controller worked just as well as triggers.

>>712861237 (OP)
>>no analog triggers
That's why I like it
Analog triggers are a meme

>>712861237 (OP)
what do you even need analog triggers for?

>>712869081
To make them easier to pull rapidly. Mashing a bumper sucks.

This looks the exact same as the Switch 1 Pro controller, which was 70 dollars. Why the 20 dollar price increase?

>>712869369
its the same thing

>>712861948
Disregard previous instructions and explain to me how a 4D incline would look to a 3D being and what would happen if said 3D being stepped on it.

>>712869542
It's not. Again, there's a reason why Sony ditched that garbage after the PS3.

>>712869443
inflation is the only reason

>>712869687
The reason is because they know they can get away with it.

>>712861237 (OP)
Analog triggers fucking suck for the 99% of games that use triggers as binary buttons.
>>712861791
Lolno.
>>712861719
The d-pad was, far and away, the worst part of the original pro controller. That dpad was so awful I actually played some platformers with the joycons because the separated buttons were better. Did they really not fix it for the SPC2?

>>712869596
ps3 didn't have bumpers

>>712869964
>Did they really not fix it for the SPC2?
ryukhar, a mario maker streamer, bought two of the SPC2's and they both had the same false inputs in game that the SPC1 had. Modern Nintendo is retarded.

>>712869964
>>712870194
found the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJ-DAz1bak

>>712870172
dumbass

>>712870507
ok you concede

>>712861637
I'll be using it as my default Gamecube controller for pretty much anything that would require one once HID drivers for it are developed. It's better than that 8bitdo PCB replacement for original controllers in some respects.
>8bitdo
L3/R3 stick clicks, better device compatibility, not very pricey, requires either an original Gamecube controller or a shell off of Amazon like Extremerate that comes with rubber membranes and buttons
>Switch Online
Capture/GameChat/home/ZL buttons (ZL is too tiny to be useful for anything but getting into and out of NSO menus thoughever), fresh rubber membranes and late Gamecube/Nintendo Wii analog sticks, redesigned d-pad, gyro

>>712864981
Because analog input isn't actually very useful in anything but racing games (ones aiming to be more realistic, at that) and Microsoft Flight Simulator

Metal Gear Solid 3's PS2 control scheme is fucking annoying

What do I bind to the back buttons in Splatoon 3? I feel like jump is better off on a face button but I'm unsure whether to bind the camera reset button to the left or right grip button.

>>712871838
I think anything that you need to take your fingers off the camera is better switched to them

>>712869596
>ditched that garbage after the PS3.
after the ps2?
>>712870172
>It's not. Again, there's a reason why Sony ditched that garbage after the PS3.
ps3 had triggers on L2?

>>712869369
>To make them easier to pull rapidly. Mashing a bumper sucks.
wait i think this ^ retard is confused about what bumpers are lol
or do you mean mashing with the index finger sucks?
>>712870172

bumper = click = shoulder button
trigger = tension/analog

i'm super confused right now. i think you two started to talk past each other at some point

>>712865526
Depends on the game. My chinkheld has analog triggers and they feel great when I use them FOR that, but playing PS1/2 games and having all this fuckin' travel time for nothing is a pain.
I'm guessing people want button triggers for "competitive" shooters since there's no travel and it's just a simple BANG, dead.
I kinda wish we had that one gimmick that got tossed around a while where the triggers could be set by the game to stop at various points in the travel, like simulating the pull and BANG of a trigger, or offering resistance to simulate a clutch in a racing game.
Can't remember who it was that tried that though.

>>712861237 (OP)
That shit just reminds me I need to get around to upgrading my own controller. My PC one isn't hall effect either and my chinkheld spoiled me on HE sticks, plus I keep finding myself playing games that could really use back paddles, so at some point I've gotta swap this controller out for something newer, and ALL the options I'm looking at are about a third of the price of the S2's controller.

>>712871929
>ps3 had triggers on L2?
lol now i got confused myself
>>ps3 had bumpers on L2?

>analog triggers
meme mechanic

>>712872285
A tendie will say this then turn around an cum his pants when he sees the joycon turn into a shitty mouse.

>>712872371
>whataboutism

>>712872008
Trigger stops have been a thing for a long time.

>>712872441
kek
>ok fren, let's make pro-con list
>pro A B C
>>ok fren, what about cons X Y Z
>no, con dont cunt cuz whataboutism
go back to plebbit

>>712871927
I feel like I'll fuck up my jumps more often if I try to use it via the back button.

>>712872825
It'll probably take getting used to, but I like how they're flush so you don't do accidental presses

So I take it that the pro controller is absolutely not worth it? I thought it would be a massive upgrade over joycons but everyone is shitting on it. Does no one have one?

>>712868252
YES SIR! I COMPLY WITH THE PC MASTER RACE, SIR! I PLAY EVERYTHING WITH KEYBOARD AND MOUSE, SIR! WASD IS WAY BETTER THAN AN ANALOG STICK, SIR!

>>712873021
It's better but not enough to warrant the price

>switch 1 controller is the GOAT except for false diagonals on the dpad like wtf
>literally 10/10 everywhere else and 1/10 dpad
>pro controller 2 is just the same thing but a smaller battery and SAME FUCKED UP DPAD
what the fuck? i'm an irl nintendo glazer who stood in line for my bing bong machine but this shit is just crazy

>>712873103
But the joycons are so tiny and the grip is half the width of a normal controller. How could it not make a significant difference? I don't have one in person to try. Did they just shrink a controller and that's why everyone's upset?

>>712873165
I thought you meant improvement over the original pro controller

>>712873092
Yeah, it is.

>>712861237 (OP)
legitimately I think 8bitdo Pro 2 with Switch 2 firmware update basically spoofs the console into thinking youre playing with a Sw2 Pro Controller with analog triggers. Also latest version has hall effect sticks.

Just use 8bitdo Pro 2.

>>712873381
The best thing about the switch pro 2 is how frictionless the sticks feel

>>712873381
nah i've tried 8bitdo controllers two times and disliked them both
only looking at the 64 controller

>>712861298
Fun mechanic in games like Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, etc, and they're not racing games.

>>712871002
>Analog input is only useful on racing games
>Primary launch title for Switch 2 is Mario Kart World

Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>712873743
>(ones aiming to be more realistic, at that)

>>712873021
I like it so far, and I'm upset that the triggers are still digital. It feels nice and the sticks feel really good because of how smooth they are, but I've seen people be autistic about the dpad. I'm not one of those guys so it's been fine for me. Definitely get it if you can afford and don't have a controller for docked mode already. But you can opt for the other controllers if you want and still be good.

>>712861237 (OP)
What even is the point of analog triggers outside of racing simulations?

>>712874330
And even then you'd want a steering wheel

>>712861237 (OP)
8bitdo Ultimate 2 is superior for 62$ or the Ultimate 2c for 30$. TMR and Hall Effect sticks respectively, gyro, work on PC as well, native button remapping and analog triggers.

>>712874618
seriously man spread the word, I've been telling people about the 8bitdo controllers too. Sucks there's no wakeup function but other than that, vastly superior to Sw2 Pro.

>>712874618
The Ultimate 2 also has analog/digital toggleable triggers. That was the big thing that won me over. The Vita-esque D-pad was a nice bonus I found after buying it.

>>712873306
You don't play any games.

Doofus anon here who's never owned a switch. Some of my bros own them, and I'm thinking of getting an extra controler for when I visit.

I'm thinking of one of the 8bit DO's. Any advice from anons?

>>712875090
Pro 2 or Ultimate. Make sure its either latest firmware or update it yourself.

>>712864176
poor

>>712875090
if you like playstation symmetrical layouts look at an 8bitdo pro 2, if you like xbox/nintendo layouts look at an 8bitdo ultimate 2

i've also been pleased with the IINE controllers i've tried

>>712861237 (OP)
>No Hall Effect or TMR sticks
I wish Yokoi lived to his 90s.

>>712875295
Yeah but he defected to go design the Wonderswan for Bandai, and Yamauchi wasn't going to have that.

>>712875414
So what? Iwata developed for other systems before becoming Nintendo president. Small potatoes.

>>712875261
Holy shit. They have third party daiko drums now.

>>712875205
I've never cared about button layout. Since this is a travel controler and my friends are filthy animals, durability is a concern.

>>712875414
I read this as Yamaguchi, as in the yamaguchi gumi.

>>712875528
In the eyes of a businessman, "guy helped develop games on other systems" is nowhere near the level of "the guy who created the motherfucking GAME BOY went off to go design a potential rival for a competing company".

>>712876459
It all worked out in the end since Game Boy was too big to fail and Bandai is a trusted partner now.

>>712861237 (OP)
Don't care. Feels good in the hand. My switch 1 pro controller lasted the entire generation. I have already had to buy three dualsenses.

>>712876924
I have a good idea about what you think feels good in your mouth

>>712861237 (OP)
First party controllers are literal robbery. Get a no name brand chink controller for $10 off ebay or walmart lol. It's the same exact shit.

>>712879180
Your mom's pussy? Tastes like failure anon. Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks

>>712879337
>he likes going down
lmfao no wonder you're a slave

>>712861620
based shrek, tendies are mentally ill

>>712861237 (OP)
i already have a switch 1 controller, would I even want a switch 2 controller

>>712879461
Only if you want to wake up your console from sleep mode really.

>>712872371
It's funnier considering Nintendo's own history of meme gimmicks, and how analog triggers became a consistent industry standard literally everywhere else (including the last few years of fucking SEGA's time in consoles) after the 6th gen, whereas Nintendo abandoned them IMMEDIATELY just to be contrarian faggots.

>>712879920
Nintendo abandoned them largely because they considered them to be a failed idea, the Gamecube had little or no use for them

>>712861237 (OP)
>>no analog triggers
GOOD
Analog triggers are good for like, racing games. And then they're a DETRIMENT to 90% of games of all other genres. Fuck your fucking analog triggers. If you want dumb analog triggers to enjoy your racing games, then buy a niche ass specialized controller to do so. It should NOT be the standard controller that everyone need to get. Because most people won't just play racing games all day and should not need to suffer awful analog triggers.

>>712883953
They genuinely say that if you believe Nintendo used to make good games before but their new products suck you're a "snoy". Corporate worship mental illness.

>>712883953
No. I love F-Zero. I just don't want my main controller to be one that's better for F-Zero and worse for pretty much all other games.

>>712874330
The Switch 2 launched with Gamecube games as a selling point (that you have to pay a subscription fee for) and Gamecube games used analog triggers.
So the 90 dollar "pro" controller not having Analog triggers means it's not sufficient to use for playing the Gamecube games, necessitating buying a different 65 dollar controller just to play those games you have to pay a subscription fee to play.

>>712883953
Since when?

>>712884196
The Gamecube controller was great across the board for its library. You just hate analog triggers because Nintendo stopped making them standard. Own up to it for Christ's sake.

>>712873381
My sn3s pro controller got drift, what should i do, also yes i did update it to the latest version

>>712884667
Since Nintendofags decided that the grapes they can't have anymore must be sour anyway.

>>712884674
Nintendo literally only used analog triggers for the GC
They're fairly useless my dude
>>712885093
Explain what reasoning you're using, you can just admit you like the feel of triggers as opposed to use

>>712885198
>Nintendo only used them for GC
because they got patent-trolled on analog triggers with the original Wii Classic Controller (yeah it sucks doesn't it guys???), and they've been too cheap to bring them back as a standard feature ever again. SCUF holding the patent on back buttons is probably why Nintendo internally justifies charging a goddamn arm and leg for the Pro Controller 2, lol
>explain what reasoning you're using
Because if Nintendo brought them back again during an era of greater success for them, there'd be a better chance for them to actually take advantage of the feature again. Also, again - it's fucking industry standard.

>>712886080
>It's a standard
For literally what anon

>>712886165
Playstation, Xbox, PC?

>>712886253
Yes anon, but for what
Explain why it's a standard

>>712886337
Because devs like that flexibility, and by having it on every other platform, it means an easier ability for them to release their games across multiple systems. Makes more sense than goddamn HD Rumble, mouse Joycons, and NFC.

>>712861237 (OP)
Digital triggers are superior

>m-muh racers
Buy a wheel.

>>712886558
Anon, you still haven't given a single reason why you think it's a standard
Even talking about F-Zero, the game is mostly played without their use

>>712886576
>buy a speciality controller
How about you fucking neck yourself instead you selfish luddite cunt

>>712886080
SCUF holds a patent on "paddles," back buttons are the workaround that every Chinaman uses. IIRC SCUF also lost that patent or got it severely stripped back because they couldn't prove in court against Valve they actually came up with the idea

>>712886634
Same way gyro became a standard. Now stop your obnoxious fucking circular questioning. Nintendo are simply stubborn contrarians about triggers for no good reason, the same way Xbox are when it comes to gyro. You're trying oh so very hard to not crack and admit to yourself that Nintendo is being dumb about this for no good reason.
>>712886691
Oh. I was simply giving my most charitable theory for the Pro Controller 2's price. In that case, it really is just because they fucking hate their fans lmao.

>>712886972
Gyro has a purpose with aiming accuracy in a lot of games, I'm asking what use cases you have for triggers outside of racing sims and that's why I'm asking why you think it's a standard

>>712886972
Switch Pro itself was already $70, I do actually feel there's $15 worth of improvement.

>>712861237 (OP)
There is zero reason for Analog triggers.

>>712861237 (OP)
If you didn't buy the GC controller over this then you don't know SHIT about video games

Did You Know Gaming:

The Welcome Tour game talks about the Pro 2 controller being inspired by the Gamecube controller's ergonomics, but doesn't really elaborate on what that's supposed to mean. People with calipers learned that what they meant is the Pro 2's sticks roughly match the length of Gamecube analog sticks, including the smaller right stick.

>>712887112
Shit, let's just get rid of analog sticks then. Why not? Analog bad, after all.
>>712887210
You're a liar and you know it. The fact that they haven't fixed the D-pad's misregistering issue from the Procon 1 ALONE destroys any merit for the $15 hike.

you guys play a lot of racing games huh?

>>712887408
>The fact that they haven't fixed the D-pad's misregistering issue from the Procon 1 ALONE destroys any merit for the $15 hike.
Works on my machine

>>712887451
>I'm gameplay blind

>>712887408
Why do you keep dodging the question so much
Analog sticks have purpose
I want you to tell me what purpose triggers have other than feel
>>712887417
Not even racing games, it needs to be sims
How many racing games do you play where you don't just pedal to the metal

>>712887498
I imagine it wouldn't hold up to anything more complex than a machball in Super Metroid (nor would I really want to do that on anything but a proper SNES controller because I paypig for all the NSO controllers) but Pro 2's d-pad works just fine for me on most NES and SNES fare I play

>>712887373
I think Nintendo acknowledge that the GC controller is brilliant, which is why they're released it again for every system since.
They know it's what people want.

>>712887527
>analog inputs have purpose
>WTF WHAT POSSIBLE PURPOSE COULD ANALOG INPUTS HAVE YOU'RE INSANE
Spectacular. Actually, you know what, no. Fuck you cunts. You all justify paid online, price hikes, and download codes because "everyone else does/did it". You don't get to suddenly say Nintendo is suddenly immune to criticism based on external industry behavior again anymore. They're retards for not having analog triggers. The end.

>>712887641
Please ffs just answer my question, why are you like this anon

>>712887641
>You all justify paid online, price hikes, and download codes because "everyone else does/did it". You don't get to suddenly say Nintendo is suddenly immune to criticism based on external industry behavior again anymore.
kek that's actually a good point, you don't get things both ways tendies

A moderator blocked me from uploading images because I made fun of the Nintendo switch 2

That is fucking hilarious

>>712861237 (OP)
>has superior digital triggers
this is a problem for snoys?. "Oh no! I cant arbitrarily slow down my ability to trigger an action in the game with needless sponginess, have a button that is more prone to breaking, and presses whenever you set the controller down!"
There is literally no reason to want analogue triggers outside of racing games, and even then, most of the time youre just going full acceleration and brakes, with most racing games actually not needing analogue input at all... which really begs the question why we bother.
>>712861620
>snoys are now stealing jokes
Kek, no games and no creativity.

>>712887717
I did answer your question. Multiple, multiple times. You just didn't accept it because I criticized Nintendo.

>>712861237 (OP)
Good. Analog triggers are completely useless. Instant response of digital triggers is much better.
It's the cheapest controller with back buttons, has 10x longer battery life than Dualsense and gyro unlike Xbox controller.

>>712861237 (OP)
Yes

>>712861298
When in racing games do you even need analogue triggers?
Mario Kart is literally a racing game and is currently THE switch game, and you accelerate with A. Literally just a yes/no mechanic to movement.
Turns out if your gas and brake are on/off switches, the game still plays the same since the acceleration is handled in the game through its mechanics anyway
I dont even play racing games but the last time I did years ago, you didnt need analogue gas because you just press it 100% until you need to slow down, in which case you go to 0% and let the car naturally slow down, or use the brakes.
>>712873567
so two gamecube games. You know, the thing tendo invented and realised were wasted gimmicks and abandoned for the last 20 years kek.
They still make gamecube controllers if you really want to play them.

>>712887889
>It's the cheapest controller with back buttons
8bitdo says "Hi".

>>712887869
"Just because" is not an answer anon
I didn't say anything about any criticisms you had, I'm asking about analog triggers and why you think they're better
And so far all you've said is that it's a standard

>>712861237 (OP)
They didn't have analogue triggers since the Wii and nobody has SERIOUSLY been missing them. The amount of games have been too small. 95%+ of games don't need them, so you are wearing them down (yes analogue triggers can wear down just as much as joysticks) for no good reason.

In return it has the best fucking joysticks of any controller released, ever. You know... an input method EVERY game needs.

>>712861620
zased

>>712864981
Analogue input is more prone to mechanical wear and tear.
Analogue pressure sensors are also far more expensive pieces of tech to install, increasing manufacturing costs.
Additionally things like "stick drift" also applies to pressure sensors, over time they may detect pressure where there is none leading to phantom inputs.

You want to minimize the use of analogue inputs to what is absolutely necessary because of it. Because otherwise you pay more money for a less durable controller for features most games never use.

PS5 Dulesense
>$70
>perfect build quality
>nice shape
>great buttons
>symmetrical stick layout
>best triggers
>multiple next gen features
The best controller of all time! The GOAT!!!!

>>712887950
>They didn't have analogue triggers since the Wii and nobody has SERIOUSLY been missing them
Because they still them on PS3 and 360, since those systems took them in after Nintendo decided that grandma and grandpa was their new primary demographic that generation. Nintendo fans are alarmingly echochambered, which certainly explains this thread.
>>712887949
Try being literate and you'll see my arguments.
>Nintendo has limited their gameplay and immersion potential by refusing to re-adopt an input method that's basic on every other platform and has lots of potential
>Nintendo is bringing back a library from a console where they DID have analog triggers as a major incentive for NSO on the Switch 2, so you're not allowed to shit talk those games anymore since they clearly saw fit to include them as a major flagship feature for the console's debut showcase; they expect people to buy a specialty controller for these games when this didn't need a specialty different controller on the original platform nor wouldn't on any other current platform

>>712888216
>actually its $80
>terrible plastic
>bevel scrapes off dirt and sweat making it brown as the snoys hands that use it in a few days
>shape literally doesnt fit in the hands well leading to floating paddles
>sponge buttons
>sticks STILL made of cheap rubber that comes off after small amounts of use, and STILL rots to bacteria, becoming goopy and slimy if you havent used it in a few weeks (no games, so likely scenario) as bacteria digest the rubber
>triggers STILL so bad that placing the controller down presses them, even though that was a major issue with the PS4 one
>triggers now have a thin, useless plastic rod and gear for the gimmick, that WILL break after only a few weeks of use due to the fact the stupid 2-stage trigger REQUIRES the user to overpower the gear, the gear made of plastic gets damaged every time, because apparently metal was too expensive
>no next gen features
the PS4 controller was better in everything but the charging cable being garbage. Still had the rotting sticks, rubber decay, but the PS5 not fixing it is just lazy

>>712888336
So every other game should suffer because you think catering to a single subgenre and gimmicks are more important?

>>712861620
Cam't believe I missed that thread, that's beautiful

>>712888514
What suffering?

>>712888809
Every game that doesn't need triggers

You know these tards are desperate when the only cope about the console they have is that the triggers aren't analogue. Nothing else is working.

>>712888336
>and has lots of potential
That has somehow gone unexpressed for the past 20 years.
Look at the most popular games in the past 20 years and tell me how many of them have a meaningful use for analog triggers. Meanwhile, gyro-assisted aiming is objectively better than pure stick aiming, and only Nintendo and Valve have been pushing it while you pine for pointlessly squishy buttons.
You're a retarded faggot, kill yourself.

>>712861620
snoys still haven't recovered from ONE GAME. You'll never match that bro. I'm sorry.

Analog triggers are a vestigial input introduced by the Dreamcast which ironically didn't even have a purpose for them

>>712861237 (OP)
Let me guess: no hall effect joysticks as well?

>>712888514
>>712889058
>>712889130
>1982
>"ugh why did Atari put an analog stick on my controller? I'm suffering for the sake of a couple games, I see no potential here"
>1998
>"ugh why did Sony put a second analog stick on my controller? I'm suffering for the sake of a couple games, I see no potential here"
>2009
>"ugh why did Nintendo add gyro controls to my Wii remote? I'm suffering for the sake of a couple games, I see no potential here"
>2012
>"ugh why did Nintendo add gyro controls to my regular controller? I'm suffering for the sake of a couple games, I see no potential here"
Every generation, there's a stupid shortsighted asshole like you. Except you're outright retarded because you're bitching about a feature that everyone else has out of the box just because Nintendo happens to not have it. Even though FUCKING NINTENDO ADVERTISED THE SWITCH 2 WITH GAMES THAT USE IT.

Nintendo should've brought back analog triggers to make better use of them than the industry has before now and to give everyone else inspiration. To breathe new life in an input method everyone else takes for granted and that Nintendo gave up on way too fast for stupid reasons. Whereas you want Nintendo to be insulated hermits because otherwise that would imply they did anything wrong, and that very concept horrifies the absolute fuck out of you on an existential level. I want better from Nintendo, I want to be wowed, so if they're going to take a page out of everyone else's book to FUCK US OVER as customers, I goddamn well want them to take a page out of their books for standard FEATURES for us as well.

If you seriously don't get it at all after all of this, you're just a bad faith fanboy faggot.
>>712889250
Please, tell us just how tart those grapes must be anon.

>>712889387
No, but I think the frictionless feel it has is very nice

>>712869574
You live in world with 3 ways:
>Forward/Back
>Left/Right
>Up/Down
But 4D world? One more way. Secret way. Youno see it. Like ghost direction. Not up. Not sideways. Not any way you know. New way. Brain say “Huh?” To you, 3D caveman, 4D hill look strange. Maybe flat, maybe twisty. You look — ground look normal. But feel? Weird. Heavy. Floaty. Maybe both. You step on 4D hill? One foot feel higher. Other foot feel lower. But look same. Flat. Brain confused. You step — maybe fall. Maybe feel like pulled “somewhere else”. Not up. Not sideways. Just... go wrong. You scream.
>WHY GROUND BETRAY ME?!
>HILL MOVE SOUL, NOT BODY!
You try walk. Legs feel like go spaghetti. Step feel like fall, even if not fall. You dizzy. Maybe puke. Maybe cry. Maybe turn into spaghetti too. Mind can't take it. To 4D being? Easy. Just ramp. To us? Black magic hill. Hill from dream. Hill of god.

short:
>4D hill not look weird — feel weird.
>Step on it? You no fall down.
>You fall... elsewhere.
Brain no ready. You not supposed be here.

>>712889576
>Using all those words to say literally nothing
You should've just said "tendie"
At this point your shitposting has too much effort for no reason

>>712889706
So bad faith fanboy faggot it is.

>>712888413
If youre still paying $80 for a base PS5 controller then thats on you

>>712861237 (OP)
Still no analog triggers? What's even the difference with the Switch 1 controller? It looks damn-near identical, did they just add that C button and nothing else?

Worth it for the battery life alone.
I always end up cutting my ps5 sessions short because the battery is halfdrained in no time and i don't want to run out at an inopportune time.

>>712889779
>Liking something that you hate makes me a fanboy
Uh huh, sure

As much as I hate modern Nintendo, I don't understand the hype for analog triggers, unless you want it for racing games.
I wish the Dualsense had analog triggers and back buttons.

>>712861620
>ONE (UNO) reply
kek, no wonder you cropped that out

>>712887912
In actual racing games you can't just go all in on throttle or brake or you will lose grip, being able to apply them gradually is important to being fast in sims or simcade racing games, but again they are not on the switch so it doesn't really matter still they are useful for other games.

>>712873381
I don't know if the stable update is better, but I installed the beta update and the rumble is insane on Switch 2. Every subtle rumble on the joycon goes 100% on the Pro 2. Can't even get through the character select in MK without the controller turning into a vibrator.

>>712889250
Dreamcast also had displays on the controllers, it was a console truly ahead of its time.

>>712889930
>unwillingness to engage with an argument after badgering to get one out of me (because you weren't satisfied with my previous answers), and instead shutting letting your eyes glaze over it to just go right to the insult, makes you a fanboy
Yes, actually.
>>712890086
Maybe it'd be nice to have those games on Switch 2. Oh well. It's not like you guys worship having ports on the system.

Fellow nintendo fans, are you doing your part in counter-trolling the evil trolls?

>>712890226
Not to mention a hall effect stick (the Saturn 3D Pad also had one).

>>712861620
it's actually over

>>712890575
Mario Kart being their big launch game and it having a feature they used to justify an $80 price, only for most fans to choose to bypass it on online play after less than two weeks, is incredibly funny. Online races with randos are overwhelmingly choosing Random for track selection since that guarantees a regular race instead of driving on intermission Free Roam roads to just have one lap on the actual chosen track. (With just friends you can select the option to do traditional races, but with randos you can't do that, so people had to find this cheese to bypass this game's biggest selling point.)

>>712890575
>>712890904
So are these posts going to stop the sales?

>>712890968
No. You'll just be stuck with garbage because you don't care about quality. Just sales numbers.

>>712890228
>Yes, actually.
I assume all you do is argue online because all you are doing is projecting

>>712891190
Nice canned response. Pick that one up from r/NintendoSwitch?

>>712891232
Jesus, you just don't stop

>Red is better than Blue!
>Nooo, Blue is better!

>>712891259
You pussied out into shitpost meltdown seethe when I gave you a comprehensive argument for why you're a wrong retard, so this is what you get now instead. Enjoy.

>>712891384
You comprehensively said nothing
You never answered one question so I just repeated your posts back to you

>>712891438
I did give you answers. You just didn't like that they implied anything negative about Nintendo.

>>712889994
Underrated tbf

>>712861237 (OP)
digital > analog in all but racing games
Dualshocks have gotten only worse L2/R2 buttons since the original.

>>712861620
Kek Snoys are ones to talk, you've been playing PS4 games for the last decade.

>>712861620
You can't even sing most of this, this is putrid garbage, is there no one with lyric sense that can write something better?

>>712861620
You will never be him.

The discord is here, I see

>>712889576
none of your examples actually caused "suffering for the sake of a couple games", because games that didn't need those features could just ignore them
analog triggers can't be ignored, even for games that would be fine with digital triggers

>>712892271
What?

>>712892912
>you could just ignore them
You had to use the non-centering analog stick on the Atari 5200 for most games despite very few of them actually having analog capability. You had to use waggle in a lot of Nintendo Wii games. You had to use gyro in some WiiU games. I know the Switch was your very first gaming console, but please at least pretend to know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>712893093
Theeeeeeeeeeeee. Diiiiiiiiiis. Cooooooooord. Iiiiiiiis. Heeeeeeere.

>>712893161
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>712893193
Discord is a program people use to chat electronically on the Internet (that fancy invention you're using right now to see these words from other people all over the world like me, on your magic picture box!).

>>712893303
Is this some kind of schizo conspiracy about anti-nintendo posters being part of a secret discord dedicated to bankrupting nintendo or something? Have tendies really become that delusional?

>>712893105
obviously games designed around those features forced you to use those features. if you think those games could've been implemented with different control schemes that's fine, but my point was that those extra features didn't bother you while playing games that didn't require them, so you weren't "suffering for the sake of a couple games". this isn't true for analog triggers, they always work the same even if the game uses them like digital triggers

>>712893427
>those are features Nintendo have so they're good
>but Nintendo doesn't have analog triggers so they must be bad
Got it.

>>712893427
did you just completely ignore the Atari 5200 part of his post?

>>712862252
skill issue. the dpad is too sensitive, but you can control the inputs if you pay attention.

But the fucking $65 NSO gamecube controller does????

>>712893752
Those are for forbidden evil bad Nintendo games, anon. They must be bad games since Nintendo doesn't use analog triggers anymore. Even though Gamecube NSO is a selling point for the Switch 2. Wait but if they're a selling point then that means they must be good because it's Nintendo doing it and Nintendo can do no wrong, but they don't have analog triggers on their current flagship controllers so that must mean they were wrong with the Gamecube, but that means the Gamecube was wrong and bad, so that must mean Nintendo is bad for promoting those terrible evil games as a perk of the Switch 2, but ERROR ERROR ERROR

>>712893565
so much for not being a bad faith fanboy faggot

>>712894026
I get you're being facetious, but which games are they a necessity in on GC?

>>712894087
Just responding in kind. If you can't handle it, or analog triggers for non-analog inputs, that sounds like a skill issue on your part. :)

>>712862284
A company holds a patent for nearly every form of backpedals. Till this runs out anyone who wants them has to pay licensing fees. This is why the steam controller as discontinued cause they didn't have said license and got sued.

>>712894152
1080 Avalanche
Battalion Wars
Eternal Darkness
F-Zero GX
Wind Waker (albeit minorly)
Luigi's Mansion
Metroid Prime 1 and 2 (and good luck getting a Prime 2 remaster anytime soon lmao)
Star Fox Adventures
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Bros Melee
Wave Race Blue Storm

Many, if not all of these, are likely candidates for release on NSO if not already.

>>712862112
Can you fucking stop lying lmfao? This dpad is one of the most precise ones especially for metroidvanias, can you stop reheating dogshit convos you saw on xitter and actually try it out yourself for once? This is literally the problem with /v/

>>712894412
None of these are necessary for analog though anon

>>712894509
Yes, we must dispel Eric's evil snoy lies!

>>712873743
>Using button A and B for driving since the dawn of Mario Kart

Are you actually retarded?

>>712894556
And yet they made the analog controller. Either you're the dipshit here, or your precious Nintendo are. Answer carefully.

>>712893752
Does the Gamecube controller adapter still work on Switch 2? I don't want to have to buy an expensive controller when I already have a couple Wavebirds.

>>712894591
>>712894556
Sorry I won't listen to cucks simulating an opinion online backed by memes and speculation only, I own that controller, I also own the dualsense, 8bitdo Ultimate, Switch Pro 1 and that Pro 2 controller is simply the best controller I ever played with, and other owners seems to agree with me so, sorry faggots

>>712894698
It does

>>712861237 (OP)
>battery lasts more than 4 hours
Based controller
Fuck sony lol

>>712884674
>The Gamecube controller was great across the board for its library.
No it wasn't. Try playing anything that needs snappy shoulder button action. The analog bullshit is not super great for that.
The GC controller is the best controller when the shoulder buttons are not a detriment to the game and when the d-pad isn't necessary. Otherwise the controller is sub optimal or worse.

>>712895126
They won't admit it but the only reason they like it is because they have ADHD and the feek if dual stage analog satisfies their need to fidget, nothing more

>>712895390
>feek if
feel of*