Thread 712869451

in 25 years, there still hasn't been a better game

how?

Fortnite is better. You can't even build in Deus Ex.

>>712869451 (OP)
I won't play it until it's a live service game.

I'm a longstanding Deus Ex fan, but I'm not going to pretend it's an untouchable masterpiece.

"The reactivity is amazing - Manderley tells you off if you go in the women's toilets!"
>Manderley lets you hack his computer and read Top Secret missives in his presence, with no consequences for the player
>no law and order system. You can go into a bar and pay 20 cybercreds for a bottle of wine, or you can go behind the bar and steal a thousand cybercreds' worth off booze of the shelf in front of the bartender, again without consequences
>murder as many homeless people and children as you like, the resident moralfags Paul and Jacobson won't say a word against it, even though they must know
>walk right into the MJ-12 facility in Hong Kong, no one will recognise you because JC just blends into the background with his totally unremarkable shades-and-trenchcoat-and-facial-nodes. Somehow the men in black have never seen your picture in their security briefings

>>712871250
yeah if you play a game for 25 years you'll do everything there is to do and become disillusioned

>>712869451 (OP)
>how?
the games industry spends far too much money chasing graphics.

>>712871834
The things I mentioned are noticeable on the first playthrough. Here's another one:

>MJ-12 openly invade Paris and impose martial law on the streets. This goes ignored by the rest of the world.

>>712871250
ok but you can't name 3 games that surpasses it

>>712871250
You can't do any of that in a modern game.

>>712872128
>rest of the world
The rest is MJ12 too at this point in plot

>>712871250
>walk right into the MJ-12 facility in Hong Kong, no one will recognise you because JC just blends into the background with his totally unremarkable shades-and-trenchcoat-and-facial-nodes. Somehow the men in black have never seen your picture in their security briefings
You literally have security clearance to be there. Nobody questions it because they are just assuming that Bob Page gave you the clearance.

>>712869451 (OP)
I still haven't played it because I'm afraid it will suck.
Same with system shock.

>>712872464
you're right because they DO suck

>>712872218
The Hitman games surpassed its undercover gameplay. You need a disguise before you go wandering around secret facilities in Hitman, and you get a hostile reaction if you steal or snoop in front of observers.

>>712872708
Yet none of them recognize a bald man with a bar code on his head.

>>712872451
>Nobody questions it because they are just assuming that Bob Page gave you the clearance.

And no one there knows what the famous terrorist and traitor Denton looks like? Not even the MiBs, the automaton children of the mainframe? Keep in mind that this happens after the Hell's Kitchen meetup with Paul, when you've pinned your allegiance to the resistance. And I think Denton is even being reported in the newscasts at this time.

>>712872708
I love hitman but it doesn't surpass deus ex at all. it barely has any stealth element. Hitman games are simple puzzle games about memorization.

>>712872939
the enemies start recognizing you as denton a while later into the game, or in some preceding areas. theyre all the way in hong kong and they arent aware of you yet
the enemies will start pointing out youre denton and talking to you personally the more you progress into the game
>>712871250
this is ultimately minor
its more about areas like hong kong and the many different routes/options for some objectives, or how nice and long and filled with relevant stuff the story is
the game probably wouldnt be better off if there was some penalty for exploding children

Elden Ring is better.

>>712870279
Yes, you can; you can stack objects on top of each other.

>>712869451 (OP)
Terrible RPG due to FPS action
Terrible FPS action due to RPG

Prey (2017) made me feel like the first time I've played Deus Ex so go play that. The story is meh but the immersive sim gameplay is great.
>>712871250
>Jacobson
What's funny is that the game confirms your every move is recorded by the Infolink, so UNATCO has footage of you preying after innocents

>>712873429
>preying on innocents
That little shit near the docks deserved getting GEP'd for threatening to tell the NSF on me. I hope they play that recording at my war crimes trial, the fags.

>>712873404
if you're not playing deus ex as an augmented melee machine you're doing it wrong.

>>712873627
>you can do anything it's so reactive!
>no not like that! that way is wrong!

>>712873714
Anon is just commenting on how stupidly OP melee builds are. You'd know that if you've ever played the game, you little twat.

Anyone else prefer System Shock 2? Love DX too of course.

What do we think of the nameless mod? I thought it was fun

>>712873879
The body of the Many ruins it, along with the awful final boss, DESU. It's the same 'took the wind out of my sails completely' energy of Xen in HL1.

>>712873404
What is an RPG?
Does it have to share the lineage with Ultima/Wizardry where everything is turn based and the game handles the dice throwing for you?

>>712869451 (OP)
all predicted before COVID btw

the real question: after a vanilla run: GMDX or revision or something else? Which one changes the map layout?

>>712874095
The nameless mod

>>712873967
Body of the Many sucked but the rest was top notch. I found DX to have a higher proportion of annoying parts just more spread out.

>>712869451 (OP)
Ultimate SOUL

>>712873087
>its more about areas like hong kong

Hong Kong is one of the game's cardinal disappointments. The tiny shoebox police station with one feeble guard sitting at the door of the vault where they keep the world-shattering evidence.

The setting up of two gang factions, obviously meant to be a player choice in some early draft, a crossroads like the San Fran gangwar in Fallout 2, but reduced to a linear obligation that makes the entire premise seems pointless.

The compressed city layout that anticipates the claustrophobic design schemes of Invisible War.

The continuing lack of law enforcement, more conspicuous here than in the John Carpenteresque New York of earlier. Hong Kong is supposed to be a vibrant and functioning society, but you can kill all the cops and there still won't be any reinforcements.

this is one of the games I can play over and over and it never gets old. like doom 1/2. Year 2000 game btw, yet it mogs 2025 games still.

>>712873926
Never played any mods other than Revision desu.

>>712874210
>the rest was top notch

I don't know, anon. Doing the stupid egg hunt in the Rickenbacker was a huge pain in my ass the first time through, especially because there's no minimap to keep track of where you are. And it also sucked to have to go back and forth on that fucking trolley on the command deck a billion times.

>>712874264
Is there any game from 2000 that had the kind of stuff you're describing?

>>712873926
Loved it, replayed it many times
>>712873967
Deus Ex also loses steam after Paris. It's just a series of dungeons to the end with no more hub exploration to break the pace.

>>712874448
>loses steam after Paris
I didn't care for the catacombs personally, but Vandenburg, the missile silo, the undersea base, and the gas station rescue are top shelf.

I can forgive a lack of hub worlds after that because the plot starts picking up and there's no time to keep dicking around.

>>712874264
>Hong Kong is one of the game's cardinal disappointments
>+ all that reddit spacing
stopped reading there holy shit

>>712872128
The game explains that the president gives an order for martial law, such that people know to expect troops, and the background is that UNATCO and other "peacekeeping" operations have created a world populace used to seeing soldiers in foreign uniforms in their countries

>>712874670
>reddit spacing
spacing your post to make it easier to read Isnt a reddit thing

>>712874095
GMDX does expand the vanilla maps quite a bit to hide goodies in it. I'm quite happy with most gameplay change beside running costing stamina, which fortunately can be disablef.
DX Revision makes my GTX 660 cries so I rage quit.

>>712872939
There's a datacube in the security area indicating that they are immediately suspicious of you, but doing further background checks before engaging.

>>712874670
Please tell us more about the wonderful ways of Reddit seeing as you're our house expert on the craft.

>>712874752
making a paragraph every 2 sentences isn't formal nor logical nor easier to read

>>712874950
if it's not logical then why do people do it

>>712875019
redditors are subhumans and not everything everyone does is logical hence why there exists the concept of making mistakes

>>712874798
>doing further background checks before engaging.

This happens after JC defects, gets imprisoned and processed in their secret bunker, breaks out of that bunker, kills Anne Navarre, and goes on the run as an Osama-tier fugitive.

But yeah, I suppose information would travel slowly in this transhuman information highway technocracy. It's quite understandable that they wouldn't know who he was.

so, what is the intended way of taking out the simons guy or whatever in the subway area

does the electric switch one shot him?

>>712873816
>little twat
how cute lmao

>>712875360
He has sunglasses on, it's hard to tell

>>712875381
Just run away, which is hilarious. If you do, he shows up later in Area 51 to chide you for being a coward, but you can also run away there and you never see him again

>>712875381
He has energy shield aug so he can tank the electric grid for a while.
Not for long though.

>>712871250
>the only thing keeping Deus Ex from being an untouchable masterpiece is an absence of LLM-requiring levels of conversational detail in the year 2000
Yep, it's a masterpiece

>>712875381
I've always just turned on the resistance augments and shot him with the gep gun. I tried once using plasma but it's too slow and simons flashbangs you with his own plasma

>>712875498
I found out in my last playthrough that if you kill the suspicious engineer jock finds the bomb

>>712875498
In GMDX he relentlessly pursues you if you try to run away in that second encounter, and is triggered to come after you as soon as you go through the bunker door. You can still nuke him with mines though.

>>712875897
Maybe I'm going crazy but I played the disc version and remember that you HAD to kill the suspicious engineer. If you didn't, it was a non-standard game over where the chopper blew up after it left the landing pad in the level transition cutscene.

>>712876043
The Travolta effect strikes again

>>712876043
Nah, that doesn't happen in any version.

>>712876120
More like the Bruce Willis effect. Pure dementia.

>>712876043
nah you don't have to, iirc he dies after dropping you off at A51

My personalized copy of Deus Ex has Shannon offer you a blowjob for your silence when you see her hacking the ATM during the UNATCO escape

>>712876306
JC is asexual

>>712876306
In the German edition, the homeless people will suck JC's dick for candy and soi snacks. But all the violence is all censored out.

>>712876561
Yeah he says "No thanks, bitch" after
>>712876583
Is that the version where people bleed green blood?

>>712875897
still learning stuff years later. so does he get taken out later? or does he live?

>>712876726
I always killed the engineer after learning about him on my first game, but if memory serves, I believe he gets away with it. I don't think you get a message from Morgan saying, "We caught that guy." But I could be wrong.

>>712874095
They both change the maps. GMDX is better overall and only makes fairly conservative modifications to the maps (should have a new version out soon). Revision is worth a try after you've played GMDX but I think most people consider the map changes worse than the original. Then set up Deus Ex Randomizer for some silly fun.
Oh, nevermind, I went to check and it looks like the new GMDX version literally just came out:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition

>>712876990
whats new in AE?

>>712877387
gacha mechanics

>>712876990
>Full compatibility with The Lay-D Denton project

That's good. I never played Lay-D in the past because GMDX is the new standard as far as I'm concerned. Now I can finally enjoy my favourite mod and indulge my tranny fantasies in a single convenient package!

>>712877459
well I have like 3 diff versions, i'll try it out. even a randomizer for this game would be fun.

>>712874776
>GTX 660

>>712874095
Neither, use Transcended. It's basically just a final balance patch/bug fix for the game that fixed a bunch of shit the devs never did. The gameplay otherwise remains the same.

GMDX is most interesting in terms of combat. The AI can actually utilize equipment like armor and camo, throw grenades, shoot through breakable objects, and lock down chokepoints as opposed to always banzai charging you like retards. I love all of that, it's just all the other changes I don't like.

Revision reworks a fuck ton of stuff but the big thing is that the maps are totally different. Gameplay wise, that's not always a good thing, as the original game had (usually) pretty tight level design, but Revision's levels do at least look more like real places than vanilla, which just aren't believable at all.

>>712872128
i've actually seen videos of wef uniformed armed guards in public in france though

>>712878445
Why would you play Transcended after finishing the game?

https://www.moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition/downloads/gmdx-ae-10-full

this is good AND it includes the kentie launcher so you can uncap framerate and use opengl or directx, seems really good so far. tons of customization options in this version too.

>>712878663
Cuz the vanilla game is objectively full of stupid bugs and oversights that make the game worse.

>>712878967
Name two bugs/oversights that don't involve NPC's giving you free stuff when your inventory is full

I was reading an article in the German magazine GameStar from March 1999 which contained a preview for Deus Ex where they had sat down with Warren Spector. Apparently, in addition to the Statue of Liberty the entire White House was already made for the game and they had plans for the London Underground, Eiffel Tower and Taj Mahal.

>>712879725
Broken map geometry in the Hong Kong Canals
Plasma weapons being nerfed into oblivion by using multiplayer damage values

>>712880823
The cut White House is well known, I hadn't heard of the others.

It's interesting to think about how these other areas might have fit into the overall game structure. The Deus Ex we have is long, with its best and most reactive content placed at the beginning in New York. Your choices soon cease to matter: the Manderley debriefings and the moral admonitions from Paul are just sweeteners to lure new customers, and soon abandoned. If these other levels had been included, I'd expect them to be fairly shallow and linear, more Goldeneye than Deus Ex.

>>712876990
fuuck time to reinstall

>>712872939
>famous terrorist and traitor Denton
Versalife is in another country on the other side of the planet, where they don't speak the same language. Do you think people in India knew who Chrisopher Dorner was, the day after it happened?

>>712873429
>the immersive sim gameplay is great.
it felt a little to "and here is where you can use a recycle grenade! over there you can shoot the button to activate it! neat, huh?"

>>712882962
>where they don't speak the same language

>>712882962
Do the pasty-faced men and women in black, and the white scientists, who are all speaking to each other and to JC in English, seem Chinese to you? Even the staff in the public-facing reception area and offices are speaking English.

>>712872128
Yeah and that was touched on as a pretty big deal in the game

>>712882752
im trying it now, there are a shitload of options. also includes the kentie launcher which fixes tons of shit and allows unlocked fps and modern resolutions.

>>712869451 (OP)
I'm still waiting for a good Deus Ex like from the indie scene. Core Decay is all i know about in regards to upcoming and I'm unsure if that will even release, development is slow and considering nu 3D realms did mass firings i wonder if that game was hit in the wave of layoffs. Peripeteia is the closest I've played but at the same time feels more like EYE Divine Cybermancy if anything rather than Deus Ex in my opinion.

>>712869451 (OP)
jews

>>712884184
corpus edax is alright

>>712884221
you gettim gurl

>>712869451 (OP)
Shame it doesn't run on win 10

>>712884184
There will never be an indie game that matches the scope, detail and overall quality of Deus Ex. Sorry but that's how it is.

>>712884447
I held some hope for Core Decay because of nu 3D Realms publishing likely being able to stretch the budget a little over the line to make that possible. But i think it's just dead in the water at this point.

I can't screenshot cuz 4chan won't let me upload anymore:
https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1742587980785590339

>>712885406
Core Decay was some of the most pandering slop I've ever seen
>dude black helicopters
>dude gruff voice man
>dude conspiracies
>dude you can use the vents
>dude 0451
If they finished it, it would be guaranteed to suck

>>712879725
weapon balance from the multiplayer patch carried over to single player
Plasma rifle got nerfed from 40 damage per projectile to 8 damage which makes Walton Simons boss fight a joke.
Dragon Tooth Sword got buffed from 20 damage to 100.

>>712886743
>bro the d tooth isn't already strong enough as is

>>712886552
Just out of my own observations: Isn't the primary reason why people continue to prop up deus ex up on a pedestal to this day because of the
>dude conspiracies
>dude globalists
stuff? that's what like 90% of what i hear on this board. That everything was apparently neutered when they did the Jensen games.

>>712888665
A shallow copy of themes is not enough to make a good game.

>>712873537
>I hope they play that recording at my war crimes trial, the fags.
An imsim game where they actually start playing footage of all the crimes you committed would be so kino.

>>712889115
>A shallow copy of themes
Yeah but what I'm saying is that the Deus Ex fans on /v/ would complain about any game not being about dude globalists, and claim that anything else is neutered and safe in messaging. People even used to post that old Ross Acursed farms video about Deus Ex plot being real. The meme is that it sounds like the average garbage you hear broadcasted on infowars and it's even considered a '/pol/ game' by some.

>>712869451 (OP)
I just wished for cyborg romance.
Instead we were forced to kill her.

>>712888665
the story/world is interesting, but it does stuff like stealth/hacking/interactions far better than most games. and the graphics/sound/music are still great.

Played 15 minutes and dropped it, awful

>>712884184
>wonder if that game was hit in the wave of layoffs
you missed the news. It's now a one-man indie project, 3D Realms graciously allowed him to keep working on what was there
https://community.coredecay.com/blog/8-dev-blog-0-state-of-the-project

>>712889390
It's fine if they want to keep the themes, what I'm getting at is they showed almost nothing except themes and basic gameplay elements in the most test room tier looking maps possible. Deus Ex, even if the geometry could be wonky, had big maps filled with memorable characters and little secrets, which I seriously doubt Core Decay would ever come close to.

>>712888665
The real pleasure of Deus Ex is when you're running freely around using your personalised loadout of powers to dispatch bad guys. Stealth is okay but it's actually better to play as an action hero, which is kind of unique in Deus Ex because you're always in first person without "press X to do takedown cutscene" or "press O to press against wall for cover."

>>712889769
was it the graphics?

>>712889769
>didnt talk to the terrorist leader
you didnt even start the game.

>>712869451 (OP)
The biggest problem with Deus Ex is the fact the combat and stealth are both janky, which is a problem when that’s 80% of the gameplay.

Reminder that the PS2 version of this game is really good, and PC snobs always downplayed how much more approachable and less fiddly it was.

>>712890964
Isn't out tomorrow?

>>712891078
I think it's out in some regions already, but yes. Sony's PS2 emulation sucks horse dick so I don't have high hopes unfortunately.

>>712872128
>MJ-12 openly invade Paris
UNATCO = MJ-12
Paris is a UNATCO state, so they were already there.

>>712890750
>perfectly smooth UT controls plus the option to shoot weapons out of enemy's hands and sneak up and do bonus damage

>>712873991
Overpopulation is an old issue tho? The current issue is that first world countries' native birth rates are below replacement levels, hence the endless immigration debates. In fact, around the globe it seems the better off you and your country are, the less you care to have kids. The new doomsday scenario is that the human race choosing not to continue itself. Maybe romance is dead, maybe vidya is just more fun than raising human larva, I think the jury's still out on the specifics.
But point is, if anything, the government would want to create a virus that turns everyone super-fertile.

>>712891385
Le line can't go up indefinitely.
The only ones who keep clamoring for infinite population growth are big consoomer-based businesses and shortsighted political parasites who just want a bigger tax cattle base.
We just don't need this many people to keep running, hence the extreme number of do-nothing clerical bullshit jobs.

>>712873429
Prey had good start than after 10 hours it became so repetitive and boring

>>712892771
line been going down for 30+ years and not even mass migration can sustain the population
and we never had overpopulation in the west to begin with, its always been a giant lie to justify fucking you over

>>712891385
You see india's population spilling out, flooding every civilized country in the world and think overpopulation isn't an issue? All they need to do is change the skin colour & accent to Apoo.

>>712893584
Completely wrong...The population of the world is only going UP. It's only civilized races that are birthing less children, the savages are still breeding like rabbits.

>>712873429
Only good thing about Prey was the intro. After you've seen the first slime, you basically know what the game is about, because, for whatever reason, that's all you're going to be dealing with for the rest of the game. Slimes. The most basic RPG enemy.

Dishonored with slimes.... ugh.

>>712869451 (OP)
Easy: people who can afford to produce it don't care, people who care can't afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL1y1QVKuZo

Will Machu finally get a moment like this, where she fully unlocks the unit?

I've played this game when it was new, like everyone else, but coming back to it it's just so easy. Just slap a laser sight on your starting pistol and you can easily kill every enemy in the game, besides bosses I guess.

>>712884407
>Shame it doesn't run on win 10
If you can't research how to make it work, i suppose it doesn't work. But you can get it running on both windows 10 and 11 with very little effort involved.

Coming back to Deus Ex after playing both System Shocks and holy fuck UI is so fuckin bad. My only complaint about the best game I ever played

>>712871250
What happens in modern games if you walk into the women's shitter?

>>712896930
In yakuza 7 the women's "shutters" can't be entered, while the male ones usually have some goodies in there.

>>712869451 (OP)
I liked it (played it the first time in 2022), but the control scheme is a mess. The amount of interactivity it has is great for its time, but it's nothing impressive by modern standards, even you don't see such interactivity often. The GEP gun solves the game, unless you want to be a total pacifist.

>>712897709
>but it's nothing impressive by modern standards,
Yeah?

>>712873991
>Population growth
What population growth? Even India and China are now below replacement rate, and Covid changed nothing while barely killing anyone. It was just a Chinese lab fuckup that grew out of proportion.

In terms of action and consequence, Deltarune is much better.

>>712898140
Yeah, your action can be not to engage with the jewschlop and as a consequence your life is better.

>>712898140
>Deltarune randomly mentioned in a deus ex thread
What are you even doing here?

>>712898293
I'm discussing video games on a video game board. This thread in particular is about the OP asking why a better game than Deus Ex hasn't been made yet. I thought of games I've played, remembered Deltarune because it's fresh on my mind, and came to conclusion that in terms of the player's actions affecting the game's world and story, Deltarune is better. But it doesn't make it a better game because the core gameplay is very different. I'm far from the first person to mention a different game ITT, so I don't know why you are reacting like this.

>>712896367
last time i tried the window size was fucked and it ran at double speed

>>712898491
You can discuss deltawhartever on its appropriate board
>>>/lgbt/

>>712899220
Why are you so upset about that game?

>>712899373
>game

>>712899394
Yes, it's a video game.

>>712896930
stunning and brave

>>712897839
they figured out feminism works better but they still had spent a lot of time and money developing the plague

>>712869451 (OP)
It's a worse FPS than Half-Life, a worse stealth game than Thief, a worse immsim than System Shock 2, and a worse cyberpunk thriller than MGS.
Deus Ex is cool and ambitious but you retards overrate it so much.

>>712899706
it's a better FPS, stealth game, immsim, and cyberpunk thriller than any of the other three are at the same time though

>>712899706
>a worse cyberpunk thriller than MGS.
xDDDD