>street fighter 4 was the last good street figh-ACK ACK GRRUUUH *last whisper*

>Neutral skips are ba-

>>712879136 (OP)
Most people consider all the shit Ultra added to be a mistake, especially the last few characters that made it in, but the game is still great and definitely better than V.

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
The fact people take this game seriously is hilarious to me. Fucking SF peasants. Bow down before VFgods.

>>712879592
nice game VFbabs

>guys I don’t say ack ack ack

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
>High level play

>>712879136 (OP)
Super SF4 was the last good fighting game. Ultra and everything after it has been compete trash.

>>712879136 (OP)
cant you do this in third strike and alpha 2 as well?

>>712879136 (OP)
SFIV is so fucking ugly, like DAMN

Every Street Fighter game except for VI is boring trash.

>>712879857
makoto eats your ass if you do this in turd strike

>>712879136 (OP)
>rolento is OP and gief is bad against projectiles
Any other riveting thoughts?

>>712879857
3s you can at least parry through way better than sacrificing life

>>712880106
>>712880165
I mean purposely whiffing specials to build meter
that's what they're doing right? or did miss the point of OP's

>>712879857
it takes way less time in those games because you can get meter by whiffing normals instead of just specials + the meter doesn't take as long to fill so even in a dedicated situation where both players are doing this degeneracy it doesn't eat up as much physical time

but also you have more options to try and blow someone up for doing this in those games

>>712880296
Yeah as that other anon said you spam something like crouching medium if you want medium because spamming a special will have way too much recovery in a game where you can parry.

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
GOOD
ASS
NEUCH

Why don't fighters just removing zoning from their games? The play style is pure fucking cancer and the opposite of hype gameplay.

>>712880412
>if you want medium
special*
I'm sure you knew what I meant

>>712880424
Street Fighter 6 was made exactly for retards like you.

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
scat farter was never good

>>712880424
zoners are a nessicary evil to keep the true threat, grappler mains, in their place while ensuring rushdown CHADS don't get complacent and have to actually be good at the game in order to do their shit instead of just labbing setups

>>712880424
They have been. The problem is Arcsys went full retard by adding Happy Chaos while NRS fighters are fundamentally flawed. Cygames reworked Granblue just to prevent Ferry and Metera from being viable, but then also went full retard by buffing them.

Just play SF6 and Tekken. No other fighter is worth your time since the devs clearly don't care about making an entertaining game.

>>712879136 (OP)

this is why turd strike is the best game ever made, nigga remy try to do this shit? CHESTO

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
i think fighting games should be banned
that and speedrunning
this is NOT mentally healthy

>>712880845
SF6 makes it a hell of a lot harder. Guile will be dead by the end of season 3.

>>712880845
remy has so little recovery on his fireballs that even if you parry them he's still usually neutral while also having the pause from the parry to help react to what you're doing. the idea that fireballs are bad in this game because lol parry is an opinion only secondaries have, ryu and remy are kind of bad because they massively lack in combo starters that aren't either very unsafe on block or require point blank spacing

>>712880424
because it's fundamental to the game design you retard
without zoning, neutral doesn't exist, it's just rushdown cancer from every side which ultimately just leads to 50/50 mixups or overheads gameplay, the lamest, most boring, opposite of fun there is. zero fighting games designed like that are good you will notice, over 40 years and not one good game exists that doesn't have zoning and heavy neutral gameplay

>>712880717
The best Midway/NRS game has its meta entirely built around zoning though (MK2).

>>712881119
>without zoning, neutral doesn't exist
GOOD. FUCK NEUTRAL

>>712880424
Projectiles were created in order to have gameplay at ranges other than point-blank. It was a good solution at the time for SF2 but since then other games have innovated. Take 3D fighting games, for example. Instead of projectiles they have things like walls, ring boundaries, and other environmental features that give you a reason to care about where you are on the stage.

>>712881194
And it's still a kusoge for subhumans. MK was never good. It was carried by shock value and nothing else.

>>712880424
the problem with zoners most of the time is that they have an incredible anti air too like flash kick or tiger uppercut

>>712881073
this
remy is fucking annoying to deal with

>>712881306
why didn't he throw at 12 seconds

>>712881203
trvke

>>712881351
why didn't he?

>>712880424
zoners can be cool when they have enough stuff to cycle through instead of spamming [linearly moving projectile] until the round is over
stuff like venom in gg and hilda in uni

>>712881119
>and not one good game exists that doesn't have zoning and heavy neutral gameplay
people like sf6 a lot, and to be honest i havent noticed a lot of zoning in cotw

>>712881351
He didn't have nerves of steel

>>712879136 (OP)
This is why akuma is only allowed to have an air hadouken when jumping forward now.

>>712879329
Fireballs are the basis of street fighter. Fuck 3S and fuck SFV.

>>712881646
Zoners are never cool. Ever.

>>712881812
Fireballs and big pokes are the worst aspect of any fighter, and that includes Street Fighter.

>>712881812
3S has plenty of fireballs

>>712881969
They're completely non threatening.

>>712879329
Is there actually no way around this except for whatever the fuck that was? lmao

>>712882089
Just because you can't push them to the corner and spam them reliably doesn't mean they don't have a purpose

>>712881839
come on now anon. on paper, their concept is that of a proper final boss. untouchable and unrelenting
the archetype fits evil characters so well

>>712882252
the sagat needs to space a jump exactly between the fireball and the flashkick

>>712882286
No, I'd rather have the boss run up to me and 2 touch me

>>712879329
Why did Bonchan push forward when he had such a significant life lead?

>>712882534
Because not even zonernigs like playing zonerslop

>>712880424
>Why don't fighters just removing zoning from their games? The play style is pure fucking cancer and the opposite of hype gameplay.
Stop playing Street Fighter, it's literally a problem with the series itself. There are other fighting games that have tools to get around zoning and are more enjoyable to play.

>>712879136 (OP)
Using the Ultra characters is kind of cheating. They're poorly tested and half-finished. Rolento being able to throw knives while being one inch off the ground is the perfect example, there's a good reason Akuma needs a proper jump arc to toss a fireball.
Street Fighter 4 would be FAR more fondly remembered if the final update was AE2012.

>>712879671
It just works.

>>712880424
Where have you been for the past decade?????
>remove defensive options
>add in braindead rushdown options
>reward aggression, punish defense

This is what all modern fighters do.
T8? hyper rushdown
SF6? hyper rushdown
Granblue? hyper rushdown (but then they overbuffed zooey and metera for hot minute, then it was back to hyper rushdown)
Guilty gear? was always the "everyones rushdown" game

>>712883917
>Stop playing Street Fighter, it's literally a problem with the series itself
>t. doesnt play street fighter

every street fighter game plays completely different, with different metas. it's why you constantly have so many people debating on what the 'best street fighter' is.
Alpha plays nothing like third strike, which plays nothing like 2, which plays nothing like 6.

fireballs are dominant in some games, then complete dogshit in something like thirdstrike thanks to the parrying mechanic

>>712885632
Turns out 10 years ago Boon did nothing wrong with mkx, nowadays every "respectable" Japanese franchise is copying him.

>>712885774
>every street fighter game plays completely different
Stop being willfully ignorant. The first two posts with webms show exactly what the issue is.
>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329

>>712885774
And every single one of those games are better for it

>>712880424
>"""""""""""zoning""""""""""
Add a rechargeable meter through combos. Watch a """"""""""pros"""""""""" and """"""""""high level"""""""""" players drop like flies.

>>712880424
My problem is that most companies clearly have no idea how to design zoners.
>so here's this character, he's very good at long range
>his weakness? He's bad at close range
>how are we going to represent this?
>his fastest button is one frame slower than everyone else
>btw he still has an invincible reversal and does fuckhuge damage and has retarded setplay so he's basically just a shoto but better in every possible way

>>712879329
>fighting games take sk- ACK!!!

>>712884148
This

All fighting games are containment camps for autists. The FGC just sells the dream of one day becoming "gud" at the game to gullible players. Literally everyone that tries to champion a fighting game is being paid to do so or a wannabe shill.

If your doing it for free on 4chan, lol at your life.

>>712879136 (OP)
The game WAS good but go progressively more nu-Capcom with each DLC and patch. By the end of it, they introduced a bunch of stupid shit and had that omega mode they used to brainstorm ideas for SFV which is why SFV was fucking shit all the way up until like it's last year of support where it became half-decent after a billion patches and updates and game mechanic changes.

Now SF6 is here and they're doing the opposite: they don't want to change anything, they just homogenized the entire cast so now everyone is a drive rush spammer and that's all the characters are. You're essentially using a street fighter character skin but you're actually putting it on your drive bar because the character doesn't matter. It's all the same.

alpha is the most satisfying sf experience to play

>>712879329
Doesnt sagat actually beat guile in fireball wars? Can't he just abuse the good frame data of high tiger shot?

>>712887204
the first one?

>>712879136 (OP)
Nemo hates Zangief to the point where it's his whole personality and so he was just trolling the whole match

>>712887040
>The game WAS good but go progressively more nu-Capcom with each DLC and patch.
vanilla SF4 was abysmal dogshit
ultra meter was already somewhat of a poor mechanic to add but having sagat anti air with roundhouse into 2/3rds of your hp bar made it unsalvageable. everyone was sick of playing third strike for 10 years so people lined up to eat this slop hoping it would just get better.

>>712887231
no because any time sagat is winning a fireball war the person can duck a high fireball and its immediately back to sagats side
basically sagat can never actually pressure in fireball wars and has to be the one to approach and will lose if he ever makes a mistake

>>712880424
Zoning takes skill because you need to think about spacing. Unlike your character who just runs up and does 50/50s up close, grapplerfag.

>>712881119
>without zoning, neutral doesn't exist, it's just rushdown cancer from every side which ultimately just leads to 50/50 mixups or overheads gameplay, the lamest, most boring, opposite of fun there is. zero fighting games designed like that are good you will notice, over 40 years and not one good game exists that doesn't have zoning and heavy neutral gameplay
And that's why Tekken was never good.

Any advice on how to play juri in 6? Im a newfag to fighting

>>712884148
>Street Fighter 4 would be FAR more fondly remembered if the final update was AE2012.
Man I LOVE Evil Ryu, Yun, and online Ibuki

>>712879329
this is why daigo went to leverless

>>712879136 (OP)
Is this max fag or something?
Are you showing shit gameplay by 2 retards on purpose

>>712887424
Everyone thought Sagat was strong but no one thought he was best character.
In retrospect El Fuerte, Fei Long, Akuma,Cammy and Seth were complete broken as hell - Seth still being a menace.
They completely butchered Sagat in the later versions of the game.

Im scared of SF6 version of Sagat, since that game has no zoning - he will be so fucking ass in that game i just have to wonder; why bother?

>>712888464
To be fair, Fuerte wasn't fully optimized until after SFV released.

>>712887424
And yet vanilla Sagat had abysmal tournament results.

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
>Fighting games are goo-

>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT RUSHDOWN AND BEAT MY FLOWCHART GAMEPLAY, YOU HAVE TO PLAY FOOTSIES AND NEUTRAL WHILE I TURTLE YOU TO DEATH
Sound familiar?

>>712879329
Woah so this is the power of 2D

>>712879136 (OP)
street fighter ended on cps2

>>712879329
The webm that absolutely destroyed pre-SF6 Street Fighter and neutral in general. There is no coming back from this.

>Anime games are go-

>>712889464
Blazbluefags don't respect Arakune players to be fair.

I like SF6.

>>712891707
Same

>>712891658
Many Blazblue players don't really even know how he works by default either. No reversals, one-touch curse from older games gone in CF, ridiculously tight timing on most curse loops and the character practically being in a complete wheelchair that has to play defensively until you get your curse out and start playing. It never ceases to amaze that at the same time the community gives a pass to character like Izanami, Nine or Rachel while they are infinitely more frustrating to play against at a higher level. I guess it has to do with how singleminded the gameplan for both players in an Arakune match is. You either bully Arakune to death or suffer dire consequences of daylight robbery.

ENTER

>>712879136 (OP)
Two things I hate about street fighter IV
>playing arcade mode and the CPU is a grappling asshole
>the revenge meter (gives scrubs a way to easy get out of jail free card; plus the animation is long ass hell)
PLUS, WHY CAN YOU GET LIKE 2 REVENGE METERS IN 1 ROUND!

>>712891707
ye but id like a boxer, not interested in elena at all
gonna be cool to have alex and viper, dont care for sagat (another shoto wew) or ingrid (who?)

Make a fighting game with no blocking and no zoning

Just beating the absolute shitout of each other until

>>712892275
Divekick

>>712879671
Every single fighter is rock paper scissors.

>>712880717
Strive and Granblue are way better than SF6 and Kekken though.

>>712892275
Make a fighting game with blocking and zoning, but

>every time you block your arms/etc get damaged and become unusable
>larger framed people (non agiles) no longer get stunned or reset on ranges

>>712887040
>You're essentially using a street fighter character skin but you're actually putting it on your drive bar because the character doesn't matter. It's all the same
Got into an argument with someone who tried to convince me that it was okay that strike>slime>strike/throw being the optimal mixup for every single character was fine because every fighting game is just strike/throw.
He then tried to tell me that JP was totally a different character to everyone else.

>>712889464
Why didn't xhe barrier blocked

>>712889464
Yes BlazBlue is a joke. Everyone with a brain knows that anime fighters only became good with Strive.

>>712892002
That's what you get for bullying jiyuna

Leave mahvel and invisible to me

>>712893413
so when does the other player get to play the game?

>>712893413
It's like they took Hokuto No Ken infinites and made them a feature...

>>712893413
People will call this kusoge but then auck off mvc2 and umvc3 that has same gay shit like this

>>712893413
Kusokino

>geg anime games are so kusoge bro ima just play honest footsies down to earth limb based combat fightans up kino
>the normalfag games:

>>712893714
>umvc3
Well, they'd be silly for saying that, since 8ing is involved.

>>712893714
>People will call this kusoge but then auck off mvc2 and umvc3 that has same gay shit like this
Why do you think Tokon has wallbreaks? MvC was always a streamboar game that was liked when it was just a game you played with your friends for fun. Once people saw what the game was at the highest level everyone realized how degenerate it is.

Anybody invoking SF4 online is useless to argue with because the majority of the faggots who still jerk off to that game never played it in the first place and just consoomed mike ross on twitch.

Most annoying is when they act as if SF4 was this trve oldfag game when it doesnt play like anything before it (or after it) at all.

Discussion surrounding that game is completely poisoned by secondaries and nobody will go back to play it anyways so why even bother?

>>712893908
Anime games are kusoge and its a disaster that every game is emulating them. No one fucking likes Goober Gear. They never liked Goober Gear. Why the fuck is Street Fighter more like Goober Gear?

>>712879136 (OP)
How did Rolento break two games in a row?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJUelWRWBs

>>712894153
I think it's fair to say that SFxT had more than enough issues beyond Rolento.

>me:hadouken
>opponent:WHY YOU ZONING BRO YOU SO LAME UGHHH SO BORING I HATE YOU!!!1
this applies to all anime/tekken players when they try 2d games for first time

>>712894587
>Anime players
>Complaining about zoners.
If you've ever played UNIEL or Blazblue, anyone sane would understand that throwing fireballs isn't zoning. Vatista, Hilda and Rachel are zoners in every facet.

>>712894771
>Vatista, Hilda and Rachel are zoners in every facet.
And everyone hates playing against them

https://youtube.com/shorts/yYPAcs8SNmk?si=-VL5JecHoAokh6tf

>>712894958
I don't, mostly because they play a different game most of the time. Paper thin defense and few reliable reversals. It feels rewarding to get through a hail of projectiles and get a chance to turn the tables. I can attest that something like Venom is bullshit though in most Guilty Gear games, because it's a combination of ridiculously powerful 50/50 mixups and zoning combined into a package with very decent offense. This isn't the case with something like Hilda or Vatista. Rachel is also a bit of an odd duck, mostly being carried by the fact that she can manipulate space with wind, making her an absolute menace to play against at any level of play.

>>712882534
He made some mistakes
If he hadn't made some mistakes the webm would not have been made. It takes a lot of effort to find a clip that makes pro level play of Best Fighter V look bad

>>712887231
eh, in 5 after all the buffs i'd say it was somewhat even.
guile's vskill maybe pushed it in guile's favor a bit

>>712879136 (OP)
peak

>>712886563
sagat in 5 had fuckall oki.
i don't think he could even threaten a grab on wakeup EVER unless he hit you with ex high fireball into kara knee

nigga i ain't reading all that shit. Just say you suck zoner dick

>>712892987
>Everyone with a brain knows that anime fighters only became good with Strive.
Didnt anyone told you to be humble and respect your superiors, Striver?

>>712895842
>webm
good
fuck ninja characters in every game they're in

>>712879136 (OP)
Third Strike is the only good SF game. All the others are flowchart-slop.

>>712895984
turd strike is parryslop garbage
you don't even play fgs go shit up a different thread secondary

>>712896025
You'd be able to enjoy the game if you'd let go of the idea that you must always play like a faggot in every game.

>>712896279
ah yes, the game with yun, chun, oro, akuma makoto and air parry isnt about always playing like a faggot.

>>712895842
>Didnt anyone told you to be humble and respect your superiors, Striver?
Why should I respect a handful of bitter oldfags who's complaints always boil down to "Strive isn't degenerate the way I like" or something about Bridget's cock?
Crawl back into your hole with the few dozen of other crusty mongoloids who think +R is good and stay there where you can be ignored.

Sf6 will drop to 100-300 playerbase once sf7 comes out

>>712895842
There's plenty of Chipp ToDs in the older GGs too, that is literally his gimmick

>>712896438
You have the potential to get rid of your skill issue, but not if you keep rotting your brain with SF6 auto-combos.

>>712896698
SF6 is only barely worse than turd strike.

>>712895289
of course dale's too much of a bitch to say that to all their faces lol

>>712894153
good old jab x timeout

>>712897784
He's right at the end though. There's a reason games become discord fighters and its because there isn't a horde of shitters to play against and opportunities to actually have fun with the game.

aside from a few characters added after super sf4 was pretty fuckjing fun to play and watch. SF5 basically killed any will I had to buy new fighters on release. Ill try sf6 eventually but only after the final update is released with a good discount.

>>712897784
>Zero meter spent on barrier blocking
>Eats counters to everything attempting to reset pressure against an oppressive mixup character by... pressing buttons.
>Suzuran round start
I know Slayer can be a bitch for new players, but you need to respect his buttons for fucks sake. He takes 80% of your health for free if you're anywhere near a corner and attempt to challenge him without either perfect blocking or pushing him away with barrier.

>>712898313
Won't be worth it then either, people only play modern fighting games for hype and esports. Capcom will announce SF7 and sabotage the last season's balance so no one will want to revisit it down the line or even play it while they wait for 7.

>>712879329
reminder we're a month away for relieving this in sf6

>ah but drive ru----

you know guile and sagat players will never go in by pure principle

>>712900706
Gwilee doesn't play like that in dix anymore neither will sagat

>>712900793
ranked is still filled with Guile players throwing sonic boom (perfect) and jumping back, you think Sagat boomers won't do the same in a month?

>>712900897
>Guile players throwing sonic boom (perfect) and jumping back
Get out of platinum bro

>>712900706
???
guile is all about slow fireball into slime.
and whenever a guile player loses the life lead he completely cracks in SF6 because there's no more chip thanks to the EPIC block button.

Here's your superior old sf gameplay bro

>>712895842
>play the fastest character in the game, can whiff punish anything
>opponent reaches his fail state and will lose 60% of his HP
>has no mobility, no specials, only slow buttons
>Chipp sits on almost 100 Tension and 100 Burst
>picks the worst option possible and air dashes against the character that can do this
I love how people go the extra mile to be retarded when posting Strive webms
At least post an unblockable guard crush or an invisible 50/50 rather than floor 7 gameplay

>>712888639
Ironically, AoE II is still one of the slower-paced RTS games when most others become mad-dog rushes.

>>712879329
>people who get absolutely buttblasted by fireballs are the majority now
That one Rising Thunder rage guy should make his way back to the scene. It's much more hospitable to his kind now after SF6 casualized it.

>>712901446
>B-but Chipp was retarded here, doenst count!
Happy now? i would play Strive again if That Man wasnt that shit post nerfs + Wild Assault fiasco

>>712897784
I know OG GG fans like celebrate the hell out of this clip but Max has a solid point about why these games end up as ghost towns after launch and Discord fighters exist.

Like is he good? No, but he basically got played like a fiddle and that was his Xrd experience the whole time. There's a reason why games like AoE2 with super high skill ceilings and loads of game knowledge to conceptualize are going strong with a healthy player pool of varying skill and Xrd is a game where you go to get pushed for 30 hours before being able to pull a single round off of most of the players.

>>712902029
opps my bad

>>712879329
it's sagat vs guile, dude. come on, post something in good faith next time, faggot.

>>712901446
I don’t get it either. Strive is dogshit with a troon community but as usual /v/ finds the most asinine things to complain about

>>712880424
>why don't fighting games just remove every character style I can't deal with
listen buddy, I feel the same way about grapplers, but what you gonna do. just learn the matchup.

>>712880717
>blaming it all on HC
fucking retarded zoomer who never played an arcsys game besides strive

>>712902081
Looks like GG to me!

>>712902054
You don't play rts games stop fucking pretending you know what happens over there

>>712902054
OG Goobers are genuinely the most retarded fanbase in fighters. They will sit there and unironically try to convince you that +R or god forbid Xrd don’t have the exact same flaws that Strive does, it’s just that Strive (badly) tried to fix them. They genuinely complain about S1-2 Happy Chaos from one end of their mouth while saying it’s okay that Johnny dominates Xrd because he’s hard to play (please ignore retard characters like Sin and Raven). And of course they will actually try to tell you that their games are actually full of people to play against and not discord games with tiny communities of die hards.
There is no more bitter group of people on the planet. BlazBlue broke them and Strive shattered them.

>>712882534
Because Guyle is not a full zoner, he is a mix of zoner and rushdown
the idea with him is that you zone the shit to annoy people, then get close and hit them with a combo, that does a lot more damage than any of his zoning tools
Dalshin is a true zoner in SF

When you play a hybrid zoner like guyle you get used to the usual Zone to open > Close in to do damage flow and get anxious whenever you can't open in with your zone tools, you feel like the opponent has read you, that he knows what you are doing, he must have, he is blocking/dealing with every fucked up fireball tech you have as if it was nothing
So instead of doing the right thing, delay/advance the timing of your fireballs to catch him sleeping at the wheel, your monkey brain makes you GO IN and then you either get fucked or it works, neither is good for you on the long term

>>712902029
>>712902081
>stops playing because he can't brainlessly lock down people with Asuka anymore
>bitches and posts an old webm of Ram doing the same thing
lmao

Strive balance is pretty good outside of Pot being retarded and Dizzy being dead in a ditch

>>712886563
>Has none of those
>Only downside is low health
I present you, the perfect zoner

>>712902839
People really played Calamity Trigger?

>>712902556
It's funny that blazblue now is now the go-to epic old school hard anime game while nobody gives shit about xrd (ceo tournaments showed that)

>>712902917
What other anime fighter you had in 2007 or whenever that came out

>>712902839
Tongue bathing nu feet

>>712902917
For money even
Ever seen a Tager vs Nu at high level in CT?

>>712902925
GG and especially Xrd was always the ultimate poser game. I can understand liking +R more than Strive but anytime I see someone lump in Xrd with it I just roll my eyes. Anyone who says that doesn’t play shit.

>>712902681
>>stops playing because he can't brainlessly lock down people with Asuka anymore
You're right.
I cant enjoy a fighting game when my favourite ighters dont feel that good to play or fun at all

>>712902807
I think Dizzy is fine, she definitely needs a shit ton of QOL changes/Bugfixes (what even is the point of fS?), and if they overbuff her she's going to be retarded, which I'd rather not see.
But imo she's underrated, she has some really strong anti-meta tools that seem to be underexploited at high level.

I think a couple more high tiers are still too strong/braindead (Goldlewis, Happy Chaos, Johnny, Sin), but the rest of the characters are fine.

>>712902925
Well, because BB became better and better with every update (CP Kokonoe and Nu Dia/Luna mode were mistakes though)
So even though BBCT was shit, super limited and made for babies. BBCF became this 30+ character knowledge check monstrocity full to the brim with system mechanics that not only made sense, but were fun as fuck to use
Meanwhile Xrd kept being slower XX in 3D

>>712902925
Because BBCF is easier to get into and is much more fraudulent by design on top of being a franchise that actually built its fanbase in the west from the very beginning, unlike GG which was a literal who until they woke up with Xrd and started to actually try to sell it.
People play CF over something like +R because the latter has a much higher skill floor right from the start, Xrd was also largely controversial among actual GG fans (all 20 of them) because it dumbed down a lot of stuff and to many of them felt like a downgrade (it was), lots of historical XX players weren't particularly happy with Xrd, some of them like Satou pretty much dropped the series entirely due to that, it's the same issue Moldy Bread had with Type Lumina.

Also, in BB's case it should be noted that CF is the only game in the series with maybe later CP patches that is actually vaguely playable, and even though you BB fags love to shit on GG due to your inferiority complex you're also very quick to forget how BBTAG is a thing so shut the fuck up, FGs as a whole have a huge problem with posers like most competitive genres out there, you just love to pick on GG because it's popular with normalfags now when the average Sleep Fighter/Capcom "fan" is the same exact thing as the GG fan excited to play GG for the first time with Strive.

>>712904289
The fucking hell does BB tag has to do with the other BBs?
Besides sharing the name is like saying "Oh yeah, you street fighters should shut up because MVCi Exists"
The fuck does a tag fighter with no systems in common has to do with a regular fighter made by the same company and that has a few of the same characters?

If gg is so good why overture and isuka exist huh shit franchise

>>712879136 (OP)
Smash revolutionized fighting games and should have been the next step towards the fighting genre. The only reason it didn't is because its Nintendo and Sakurai wants it to be a casual friendly game. But let's keep it it a 100%. Smash has more freedom to fight than this bullshit limited formula so many fighting game elitist stick to. Smash is better than this outdated garbage and OP proves my point.

>assraped smashoid joins in to talk about his marios
very cool but this is a fighting game thread.

>>712905316
I play both so I can talk. Fighting game elitists are cringe because the OP is the reality of the fighting game genre. It's just dudes who spent countless hours mastering garbage spamming techniques like the OP with that super limited 2d space. It's pathetic and outdated. Smash is the truth

>>712902925
combo breaker was the big xrd gathering this year i think. not many people are gonna fly out to multiple majors for an old game.
gg's already small playerbase is also now split between three games which is not the case with bb/uni etc

>>712905976
nobody asked, smashoid. you are off topic.

>>712905976
>spent countless hours learning how to do instant air specials
lol

>>712879329
>>712879136 (OP)
>"dudr, give fighting games a try, they are really fun and engaging to play"
>fighting games:

>>712879329
cinema
and i'm not saying that because it's daigo

>>712888205
That just mean Tekken was only good when it had a character with projectiles.

>>712879136 (OP)
this is the big nooch ive heard so much about?

>>712888909
What??

>>712879136 (OP)
>posting a webm of the version everyone agreed ruined the game
Fighting games do this shit all the time.
The SF4 everyone loves is SSF4 (before Ultra)
Everyone agrees Ultra was shit

>>712880424
as much as i hate zoning constant rushdown 50/50s are just as mentally exhausting.

>>712879329
>WE LOVE NEUCH

Wish they would go the fuck back to the slimmer characters from alpha and 3rd strike instead of the huge ugly monstrosities we have now

>>712908790
SF6 characters are quite slim though?

>>712908790
Alpha sagat and zangief are fuckhueg

>>712908494
so fuarking honest

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
Very engaging gameplay here I must say fighting games are legitimately disgusting as a genre

Just play super turbo like our God clayton reccomends

>>712902054
max dosent get to talk shit when he champions games like MvC2 where you get ToD'd into 2 incoming unblockable setups, even the most bullshit version of an arcsys game pales in comparison to marvel

>>712908790
Alpha was the one that started the bulky trend though. Look at super buff Zangief and Saga. Even Ryu and Ken are buffer looking in Alpha than in SF3 in spite of being younger.

>>712910774
mvc2 isnt all about that.
mvc3 is but in 2 you straight up dont see massive damage every round, even though it has potential for it.
just look at this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=610&v=94evpavb0As&feature=youtu.be
its way more interactive than most anime fighters or modern slop like sf6.

>>712902839
didnt this bitch get half her moveset reworked/removed from CT to CF?

>>712908414
>>712908494
boring af not being able to close gaps

>>712908092
Yeah, because Zangief DEFINITELY had no bad matchups until USF4

Moron.

>>712879136 (OP)
that gameplay fire yo
standing in the corner repeating the same move is fire, I could do this for hours

>>712910774
mvc2 is unironically a neutral heavy game

thank god those yucky problematic matchups are gone and every character just does this now

>>712892987
>anime fighters only became good with Strive
That's not how you pronounce Arcana Heart

Blazblue or Under Night?

>>712911359
the way they write mena's name always makes it look like some kind of obscure slur

>>712879136 (OP)
Why do the 3D SF games progressively look worse and worse artstyle-wise?

>>712911465
Capcom really wants to be seen as a western studio.

I started up SF6 again and picked gief and I'm winning by charging heavy punch and low mk

>>712879136 (OP)
I stopped playing SF6 a month after release but I've been browsing these fightan threads for 2 months now

>>712911050
How tough is MvC2 for a beginner? It looks super fun. I used to play a bit of MvC3 but it doesn't have rollback

>>712879136 (OP)
>>712879329
You know, maybe Slime Fighter 6 isn't so bad after all.

>>712912331
team scrub is just about as easy as it sounds

>>712912331
Picking it up isn't hard. Dealing with other people's bullshit is what gives that game its notoriety

>>712911409
>KAMIblue or under dogshit stuck in blockstun water break everytime you get hit 2

>>712879136 (OP)
Street Fighter was never good.

>>712912331
It's not that hard since most characters have a single flowchart regardless of who they're fighting. It's all about how you can execute, which is kinda difficult.

But the real issue is that you'll be fighting players with literally decades of experience and get rolled over and over. That's the unfortunate end state of all fighting games.

>>712913468
kino

>>712913468
>gg's shake my hand

>>712889464
>Moth memes
>Rolled while cursed
>No barrier at all so got opened up by a mid
Those games are not serious

>>712892002
Funnily enough at least vs Izanami I feel like I still have a fighting chance if I get put in hell oki
I can still try to block her out and jump out
I can still burst when she's <50% barrier
I can still try to OD through her C buttons/specials when bits+ribs are unavailable
I can still try to check bad slides, predictable bit usage
I can try for the CA clash throw option if I really know what I'm doing

Arakune?
Once the rape begins I don't even know what I'm supposed to look for other than the GC bug. The L/Rs are unseeable and fart cloud fucks with your escape options.
At least there's CA if you place it well and all bugs are projectiles if you char has good options.
I feel like OD OS is too risky to attempt too

>>712901446
It's a training mode clip anyway

>>712895842
>niggamurai
lmao

>>712913475
I play 3S so I'm sort of used to getting my ass kicked by old players, but I know mistakes are punished extremely hard in MvC2 so maybe it's more frustrating there. Might wait for the collection to go for a little cheaper before picking it up then

>>712895842
I have no idea why people shill Strive so much. No game with ToD is good. NONE.

>>712911409
Both are fun games.
Don't know why you have to do one or the other, I'd suggest waiting for a sale for either of them.

>>712879723

>>712916006
It's the most active anime fighter. That's all there is to it.

>>712915896
I remember watching JWong play MvC2 online when the Capcom collection came out. He was winning like 99.99% of his matches simply due to muscle memory and knowing how to even pilot his characters while his opponents got flailed around helplessly. In the rare match where he was up against an equally autistic oldfag, his winrate plummeted to 50%.

>>712879136 (OP)
Street Fighter 6 is the only fun Street Fighter game to me.

>>712916006
People glaze SF5 now and it has TODs
Garou MOTW? TODs
Blazblue? Multiple TODs
Xrd? Instakills are literally a mechanic and you can combo into them
I don't play Tekken, but I know T7 had a stage that enabled some TODs
KOF? A bunch of TODs for sure
I'm tired, but you get the point

SFV's issue was that every fucking interaction reset the neutral. offense meant nothing in that game lmao

>>712916556
>People glaze SF5 now and it has TODs
That's just the Street Fighter cycle. Everyone shat on 3 when it came out, then it became the legendary darling of the FGC. 4 was also mocked endlessly for shit graphics and stagnant gameplay by the last expansion, but now it's considered "soul". And as you said 5 is somehow being glazed now. Give it a decade and public opinion will turn positive for 6.

>>712916556
The WORST genre known to gaming

>>712916670
>SFV's issue was that every fucking interaction reset the neutral
and thats a good thing

>>712916556
I only played Continuum Shift, but did BB really have multiple ToDs? I can't recall seeing any in tournament footage or my online lobbies.

that webm is kino
stay mad
zoomers got filtered so hard by neutral its insane

>>712879329
This has been Guile's basic gameplan since SF2. SF6 butchered him with lack of chip damage. Also, Daigo's SFV Guile was unfathomably based

>>712880424
Pure zoners are a dying breed in modern fighting games, nearly every zoner you see is a legacy character. Fighting games have been slowly shifting towards pure aggression and rush down. Sadly this means that you're now moving from the slow crawl forward when dealing against zoners to getting neutral skipped and forced into a guessing situation. Now instead of guessing fullscreen and losing health to a fireball or bad jump you guess for half your life.

>>712916720
Oh trust me I know.
I've seen it happen.
We must never forget the absolute state of launch SF5.
>>712916853
CS had the SMP bug so I'm pretty sure you can break 10k with double gold burst shenanigans
Nowadays you need some extremely funny starters to break the 10k wall, but it's doable.
That or get Mugen + OD to go off and just kill
O hey look here's it happening in a tournament
https://x.com/UILazarus/status/1888213005633999153

In case you haven't noticed all of the examples (barring KOF/MOTW) are actually extremely situational and not match practical. But they're there.

>>712916006
Looks good artsyle wise.
No ugly characters.
Simple to pick up and learn basics of a character then learn another if you didn't like one.
Tekken tier skill floor to skill middle.
Feels good to crank up risc and annihilate characters especially low health ones.
Decent defense options(burst and deflect shield alone which shit like Tekken 8 needs at this point)
Good music(this is including music from the accent core and the 1st game that is selectable)
Not as fast as the older games but still not as slow as SF and Tekken making it the nice middle ground for a lot.
Also not completely granblue tier boring.

>>712916006
people meme on strive TODs but 90% of the time it's a combination of counterhit starter + cranked RISC + low HP character

>>712879780
>this fucking bum used V trigger in my lobby.

strive is literaly antichrist

>make a low-effort shitpost last night using a hilariously cherrypicked webm
>it blows up
>people end up taking it seriously
This is one of the few matchups with fireball wars at all after Capcom nerfed neutral so hard in SFV.
>>712917003
>Also, Daigo's SFV Guile was unfathomably based
Correct, I must fix this thread with Daigo kino.

>>712917003
Yeah, i dont really understand why everybody is reacting like this is such blatantly bad gameplay? Have they never watched a daigo 5 match before? This was his bread and butter, elite zzoning spacing.
Also i thought this was supposed to be what Guile was supposed to do? Why is everybody up in arms about SF5 just looking the closest to classic street fighter? Theres literally zero gimmick here. I dont get it. I thought people said fireballs suck in 5. Im starting to realize that SF5 has more narratives than judgments about reality.

>>712918254
>after Capcom nerfed neutral so hard in SFV.
how did they nerf neutral? 5 had more neutral than any street fighter before other than 2.

Does anyone else feel like learning how to actually play fighting games made you stop enjoying them? Every character just feels the same to me now
>what's their poke
>what's their plus move
>what's their launcher
etc.

>>712879329

>>712892987
>>712916006
Strive:
>would take almost half an hour to get into a match during the first year if you didn't use the external totsugeki.exe because devs are retarded
>multiple online tournaments suffered because of shitty lobbies, many had to be cancelled
>hacker issues so bad multiple streamers gave up on the game
>5 years in and you still don't have a ranked mode or proper matchmaking
>single player content is a movie with no gameplay and a barebones arcade mode without even ending slides
>source code leak on a game that was already hacked before means just launching the game is a hazard
>everyone plays on the same stage online to prevent lag, all matches you see are on the exact same bridge stage
>all this without touching gameplay which is subjective, but it has to be mentioned how many characters lost fun tools from previous games, how movement was gutted with shitty slow air dashes, and how they let happy chaos be top tier for so long

It's a pretty game that launched with rollback during COVID, but it launched as a product almost as bad as SFV and it's unfair how they get no criticism and get rewarded with popularity just for being at the right place at the right time with good graphics. ArcSys should have gone bankrupt for this disaster, yet they succeeded

>>712918416
>stubbier buttons across the board
>plus buttons are more common
>projectiles nerfed across the board
Guile's sonic boom isn't even plus anymore after the season 5 nerfs

>>712918552
That's all games/genres when you reach a certain level of game sense

>>712918552
I play people, not characters

>>712918552
Its learning combos that does it for me. If street fighter games were all about just pokes, plus moves, and defensive moves, theyd be intuitive enough to be worth learning

>>712918781
Dude, i watched the evo match of Daigo vs Idom, which was in the final moments of SF5. It did not look like he COULDN'T play neutral. I think youre just narrativizing a bit, no offense. I dont think SF5 neutral can ever be worse than the previous or future games based on what ive seen and played of them. Abigail is like the only exception and hes just mega gimmick galore

>>712918552
Only in SF6
Anime games on the other hand are so character driven, there's always something new to learn

>>712918757
>source code leak on a game that was already hacked before means just launching the game is a hazard
How many times is this board gonna mindlessly repeat this stupid shit. What do people think the source code leak actually was?

>>712911157
i try to throw loop I get DP'd
in diamond 4 that is

>>712919082
Old anime games maybe. Granblue is the driest game ever made. Strive isn't that different from SF6. Under Night 2 is basically an expansion for an old game and doesn't count.

>>712918928
I'm not saying neutral is bad, per say, just that it's definitely the weakest it has ever been. Conventional fireball wars and cr.MK footsies were mostly gone, which hurt most of the shotos. However, we still had some incredible neutral based sets such as EVO Japan 2020 grand finals between Sakura and Karin.

The SFV CE era of season 4 was outstanding. It's a damn shame its wings were immediately clipped by the pandemic. Daigo could have won the CPT that year.

>>712919306
Granblue is only an anime game in visuals
Strive still has a lot of character specific pressure/interaction

>>712918254
What's shimmy?

>>712920679
Where you walk back a little to bait the opponent's grab tech or stubby buttons. If he does, he'll whiff you'll get a huge punish, if he doesn't, then you immediately walk back in and attempt to continue pressure if he doesn't call you out.

>>712920679
that one 2hu

>>712888224
bump

>>712920679
Buzzword that was introduced with sf5 because it lacked real gameplay mechanics

>>712920679
https://youtu.be/h2zgB93KANE?si=ZPiWq7yeZt7rxceZ

>>712918552
that's only street fighter or at least modern 2d games
you couldn't learn tekken only with basic attacks, every character has its unique mechanics or attacks
too bad for tekken 8 being dogshit though

>>712923172
you crouch medium kick to drive rush

>>712888224
Kek, I now remember "is Juri good for beginners" poster when sf4 was around

>>712923642
Qrd?

>>712911060
She got reworked on every game
CS she became Lambda, moveset changed to be a hybrid zoner so you have to get closer, her free gravity seed got a meter so you couldn't spam it and her teleport became a command dash with rekas in it
CP they got Nu back and you had to do a motion to change between stances, stance 1 most of Nu's moveset with some of lambda's and Stance 2 most of Lambda's moveset and some of Nu's, as you can imagine people bitched about this since to do either Lambda or Nu's bnb you had to stance change mid combo, and the only indicator of what stance you were was just a little sprite next to the character

Second half of CP they got both Lambda and Nu as different characters and in CF they balanced them to be fair. They are still great zoners but Nu is a pure zoner with shit health and Lambda is a Hybrid Rushdown/Zoner
Nu has no reversal super, Lambda has a reversal suepr, Nu's attacks have a huge deadzone in front of them, but they all do descent damage and do chip damage. Lambda has less of a deadzone in front of her but her drives do almost no damage and do not do chip damage

>>712923793
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/juri%20good%20beginners/page/4/
It was already a meme in 2015 basically, archive doesn't have older posts sadly.

>>712923908
nu shit doesnt do chip damage and doesnt even need to be barrier blocked

>>712923642
>>712924337
I wonder what is he doing nowadays
hes propably in his 30-40s

>>712923180
>introduced with sf5
people used to call it the gootecks shimmy in vanilla sf4 newfag

>>712916853
Hakumen has a ToD for every single character in the cast
It is great! If you see a haku online not engaging and just meter farming, DO NOT GO IN once he pops mugen + OD, you will die

>>712924379
Oh, I got that wrong them
She needs to OD to deal chip just like Lambda
Her projectiles are faster than Lambda's though

>>712924754
>Her projectiles are faster than Lambda's though
...............................no?..........................they have same frame data

>>712923642
well is she?

True street fighter has never been tried every game plays differently

>>712925138
They accelerate faster
They do remain in the screen for the same time, but the acceleration of the sprite with Nu is faster, it makes you feel like her sword summon is much faster than Lambda's

For example
Both Lambda and Nu's 5D are 48 frames total with a 15 frame start up
But the active frames for lambda is 18 and Nu is 13, meaning the projectile is accelerating faster to it's destination (usually offscreen)
Nu also has to decide to do the follow up and it is another 48f (with only 6 active, meaning the follow up appears to move very fast), Lambda's follow ups are automatic and take 45f with 13 active

This is pretty much the whole theme with their drives
They take the same time on screen, but Nu's show up and then accelerate fast to the end of the animation while Lambda's show up and immediately advance taking their time to reach the end of animation
This creates an illusion that Nu hits faster with her drive and drives (pun intended) the idea that she is more deadly while Lambda is just a bot kokopuffs cobbled up together

>>712926093
took you long enough to read that off dustloop

>>712926563
I already knew that, but didn't had the numbers from the top of my head, you wanted to bring frame data, I aint gonna argue that without having the actual numbers at hand anon
In the end even if they do take the same time, I was correct all along, Nu drives are supposed to feel faster and techinical, Lambda's are supposed to be slower and easier to land, hence why the former can choose to do the follow up or not and the later cannot

>>712911203
Are you retarded?
Do you think that webm/Ultra is bad because of matchups?
The fuck?

>>712917203
>that trophy pop up
>Sayonara!

>>712919306
Granblue was just Super Turbo with gacha game characters until Rising. I’d actually argue it’s closer to KOF-lite now.
Strive is definitely not SF6 lol. It’s a lot closer to it than +R obviously but every character is still meaningfully different instead of a throw loop machine.

>SF1 - innovative, but you can only choose 1 character and it's shit overall
>SF2 - wildly imbalanced, random damage, random stun
>Alpha1 - never seen anyone play or discuss this game
>Alpha2 and 3 - custom combos, enough said
>3:NG and 3:2I - same as Alpha 1, except I know 2I is broken
>3rd Strike - Yun/Chun/Ken
>SF4 - Ultras as a forced comeback mechanic, focus attack, devs making Yun overpowered on purpose for the lulz according to interviews, broken asset flip expansion as the last update, releasing with delay netcode despite rollback already being a thing back then
>SFV - I don't even know where to start, but somehow last season of this game manages to be better than the others in this list, it's just dry as fuck and boring, plus it has v-trigger as another forced comeback mechanic
>SF6 - drive rush, throw loops, every character feels the same, no dev support

This series has always been shit and survives from the nostalgia people have for SF2. It's also slow as fuck and boring, any anime game, snk game or 3D fighter is more fun than sleep fighter

I just made chocolate balls with my mom

>>712928641
and what other cool things you know from youtube essays

>>712929094
that you should buff, not nerf

>>712926756
Nu is supposed to be my wife
did you know that

>>712920679
shimmy balls

>>712880424
Chasing "hype" is what broke fighting games. Design decisions started being made based on what what would be fun to watch rather than what would make a good game, so constant hyper aggression, coinflip pressure, and comparatively weak defensive options became the name of the genre.

>>712913468
I'd punch the shit out of someone if they did that shit to me in an arcade

>>712929220
bamco hire this man to balance tekken

>>712923541
Tekken is learning your 10 frame punish, a launcher and combo, and some good low pokes or a low launcher for every character

>>712913468
why are you posting HnK webms

>>712929687
and billion of cheesy/safe strings that your opponents are doing and how to deal with them

>>712927382
>closer to +R
nah strive is closer to SFV, neutral based and you have to do target combos only, no player expression whatsoever unless you are at tourney level

>>712929569
Ironically it makes SF6 intolerable to watch with the never ending normal into slime into throw loop that every single character does.
I knew something was terribly wrong when last year Strive and Granblue had way better top 8s than SF.

>>712913468
Why do japs jack off this game so hard, then turn around and say Mahvel is trash for doing the exact same thing, but in a much more timely fashion and two extra lives?

>>712929687
as a Yoshimitsu and Lee main in T7 I must disagree

>>712929956
Reread my post. I’m not saying Strive is closer to +R, I’m saying that Strive is closer to Street Fighter.

>>712929331
Nu stop posting on /v/ pretending you are Ragna
Go back to the church, Lambda and Noel are worried about you

>>712929902
>>712930050
>dishonest string mashers
Play real honest characters like a Mishimia or Lili or Paul

>>712929956
nah strive still has way more player expression than sf

SFV in its current state is a fun game and I'm glad people are waking up to the fact.

>>712930235
>string masher
>yoshi and lee in t7
go spam your electrics and 50/50s

>>712930243
Every one plays the same way
Every nago plays the same
Every chip plays the same
Every Sol plays the same
Unless you are watching a big top 8 and they actually start doing different combo routes than the basic ass bnb everybody does
Strive is a game where you learn the meta way to play your character, lab it so you can do it consistently and then use that to climb the tower till celestial

>>712930094
My mistake, my hatred to what strive is becoming clouded my vision

>>712930454
>climb the tower
Reminder you can do that while avoiding matchups you don't like, and that once you're in celestial you might be playing against the worst player you've ever seen or a literal EVO winner because there is no meaningful skill separation. How the fuck people still play that game I will never understand.

>>712930343
sf5 is silly game to me i picked it up recently
all normals feel like they dont have wind up or recovery animations like you are doing strings and you are jumpscared by crush counters or 3 frames

>>712930454
nigger everyone plays the same at low level in every fighting game, you're not making any point here
Strive has burst baiting, extra character specific resources or two-step systems, OTGs, routes that lead into mixups that all give it far more variation than SF where you pretty much only adapt your link based on distance/counterhit/meter

>>712928672
EVERYBODY WANTS SOME
I WANT SOME TOO

>>712930454
NTA but how are older GG games meaningfully different from that. There’s always a meta gameplan or an optimal route.

3rd strike is the only fun fighting game

I find it hilarious how LTG of all people is causing a Street Fighter V renaissance because people are lining up around the block just to beat him up

>>712931085
umm retard plus has player expression or something havent you seen that clip where kusoru roman cancels 2d into 2d to roman cancel it again

>>712931179
its unironicaly his best game since sf4 hermits were clapping him relentlessly getting around his rolento/rose cheese

>>712931085
conversions in +R are pretty unstable
and having a decent number of gatling options gives pressure much more variety

>people shits on strive for taming the bullshit down
>meanwhile sf and tekken caught the anime virus and became incredibly worse
there is a limit to the anime bullshit you can have before it becomes unbearable. Strive was at the perfect spot but they stepped out of line with s4 making it way worse, they need to reel it back in a bit

>>712931085
NTA and I'm not a GG expert but in general, a big part of it is execution. Someone like Justin Wong for example sucks at execution by his own admission. He wins mostly by zoning and poking, with the most basic combos you've ever seen. Meanwhile someone like Sako will spend hours streaming labbing sessions where he optimizes every single interaction so that he can build optimal amounts of meter and carry you to the corner from a stray jab hit at a specific point in the screen. Both players win tournaments. When execution is too easy you lose that. Another thing is character specific mechanics. Someone like Venom having different ways of setting up his projectile formations can set apart different players, but in Strive they simplified the mechanic, so now different players have fewer options to diversify their approaches.

>>712931587
>they stepped out of line with s4
S4 didn't change that much, the only two big mistakes were Goldlewis security cancels and Potemkin gigabuffs
They even toned down some stuff like Nago's pressure/mixups (no combo on overhead anymore), Anji's fuujin mixup (same deal)

>>712931841
they gave guard crush to half the cast

>>712916556
>People glaze SF5 now and it has TODs
SFV was never a true two touch game, much less ToDs

>>712932098
umm what about dan chuddy

>complaining about anime fighters in 6
>when this bitch is coming to SHWING SHWING SHWING
Literally the entire Kyo Kusanagi team in one character.
They'll probably tone her down for 6 like every other fighter but still lmao

>>712932137
The Danfinite was quite possibly the most based interactions of all time, only to be topped by Capcom's solution to the problem by buffing him.

>>712931887
They only gave it to Nago (on H normals, uncancellable, probably only gives niche fast RC mixups), Ramlethal (forgot about her braindead rework, I hate it), Sin (another retarded addition), and sort of Baiken (blockstun parry)
They even removed it from Sol (Fafnir), Giovanna (Trovão)

>>712932248
her hair looks like chicken lol

>>712931731
THIS
the biggest redflag with strive for any semi casual watcher is that Omito, a fucking lab monster who steam rolled every one in Xrd, dropped strive because Strive Jonny has to be played one way only, and he couldn't do his bullshit

He fucking plays Leo and Pot now

>>712932556
that's still a lot. No one should have it besides potemkin

>>712931587
Season 4 went more non anime
Season 1 and 2 were a lot more anime
Season 3 was a nice happy medium

>>712916556
>>712916006
KoF and vs game ToDs aren't real ToDs. You only lose one character, that is equivalent of losing 1/3 of your life bar in other games

>muh footsies
>muh zooning
Spearfags of FGC.

>>712932603
a sexy chicken

>>712932556
>Nago can't Fukyo cancel from H normals
I hated it, I really hated it

>>712879329
You are like little baby.
Watch this.

>>712913468
Nice Karin splits

>>712932098
Triple TAP is overkill damage
>But that doesn't cou-
That whole point
TODs are meme shit, restrictively unlikely to happen, but possible nontheless
Same goes for GG Max Risc shit.

>>712931731
The difference is your first example has the highest EVO wins in history and is generally considered the 2nd greatest fighting game player of all time behind Daigo and your second example didn't even deserve to be part of the 5 gods considering how shallow is palmares is in comparison.
This is a proof having skill in execution and playing harder game doesn't make you a better fighting game player.
Old GG is basically everyone knowledge checking each other to win by pulling out the most random FRC ambiguous 50/50 setup imaginable.

>>712933072
I remember playing with a hardon whenever I played with or against her
I wanted to breed this rich bitch

>>712932961
>The IK at the end.

>>712932813
I think it's fine on slow, contestable moves like Bedman 236H, Dizzy 6H, I-No's MLA or some Behemoth Typhoons, if you can do a >30f move point blank without being interrupted then you deserve some advantage
On Sin, Ram and Slayer however it is completely fucking retarded

>>712932956
Fuck that shit, I'm glad it's gone

>>712879136 (OP)
the trvth of the matter is all sf games have janky and bad aspects to them but they're all also fun if you like fighting games and don't have a big fragile ego. The issue is people here barely play them, are terrible at them, and have massive egos so they just shit on the newest release while waxing nostalgic about previous sf games and as soon as the next one is out, the previous one that no one plays anymore enters the fake nostalgia zone.
all these games have problems but they're fine and more than that, they're a more pure, traditional multiplayer experience than anything else popular nowadays.
I do love /v/ fighting game threads though because you get to see people who have less than zero idea of what they're talking about trying to act smart while spouting buzzwords, pic related

>>712931731
>Someone like Venom having different ways of setting up his projectile formations can set apart different players, but in Strive they simplified the mechanic, so now different players have fewer options to diversify their approaches.
Everybody likes to conveniently omit that in Strive, Venom's balls have different speeds based on which button you use, which still lets you setup ambiguous zoning patterns.

>>712933571
There is no such thing as a good fighting game, it's a genre for failures.

>>712932850
pipe down rushdown monkey

Do any of you guys play Close Combat? Is it good? Active?

>>712884148
honestly yeah AE2012 was alright
>>712888276
as opposed to evil ryu, elena, and rolento?

>>712933487
the advantage is being plus, by a lot. They don't deserve the true 50/50 mixup AND removing the opponent ability to use yrc

>>712879136 (OP)
Yup, those were the times

>>712933072
god I wish she were in a better game

>>712879592
Based VFchad

>>712934089
>They don't deserve
Why?
They either knocked you down, had a setup, or conditionned you into being enough of a bitch to charge a move right in your face
This is radically different from Sin/Ram making you block once and getting a mixup

>>712893468
When it's his turn

>>712879329

What are your opinions on r/kappachino

>>712879329
d?

Play real fighting games. chuds.

>>712934948
they browse here and vg

>>712879592
>VFGods
i would agree if we weren't getting shafted atm with this garbage port

>>712933274
Goobers do not care. Strive had the best GF last year at EVO and all they could do was have sour grapes that people liked watching it and not their degenerate bullshit

>>712911359
You don't need to land a single hit to win

>>712935331
i hope this intro is unskipable

>>712902661
interesting. so guile overcomes sagat's coverup options with his better normals and rushdown tactics. such a shame but atleast guile is famous now

>>712933072

>>712935445
Ofc they do

>>712933685
they do that in the older games too

>>712902661
>dhalsim is a zoner
lol, dhalsim is an anti zoner, the whole idea of him is that he fucks up anyone that has a fireball, gets steam rolled by people who wants to get in, it's why in ST he DESTROY'S sagat, shotos, guile but struggles with honda/claw/chun li/ dictator/ boxer. he's always been like this
>guile has a good fireball to get in with. he's jack of all trades like a shoto
>sagat is a zoner (at least back when fireballs didn't suck ass)
>sim is an ANTI-zoner

>>712936572
mmmmm

>>712936572
Damn Karin looks so hot

fighting games were just a phase for me. its weird to see them now

>>712893714
>that has same gay shit
>lone character OTGs enemy 8 times in a row and solo builds 2 bars of meter in one combo

>>712902661
>Dalshin is a true zoner in SF
Sim has historically been a rushdown character, newfag

>>712932961
Stagger is a shit mechanic though you have to admit

>>712935331
If +R actually played like that then maybe it’d average more than 100 players a day

>>712936434
just tech bro

>>712887424
>everyone was sick of playing third strike for 10 years
No one was playing third strike lmao. They were all sticking to shit like Alpha 2. Hell I saw CvS more than any version of SF3

>>712937503
To be fair, +R is built for low playercounts. I can boot up the game and find a match before you can reach the main menu in Strive.

>>712936834
Strivers have never touched a GG game be nice

>>712937760
holy cope

>>712937773
i saw bunch of newbies over time in old gg and bb that have like 700+ hours in strive and im guessing they wanted to try something else

>>712918757
also the boost from fighterz.
overall a good launch. im a fan of pot, chipp and nargu

>>712879136 (OP)
God I miss good games. We used to have it all. Ridiculous timeline.

>>712938141
Seen them in Grubble too

>>712892121
i need to make a fighter now thati know how to program

>>712938141
>>712938369
gross. i was hoping theyd die off with strive

>>712937643
lol
lmao

>>712937643
>Just tech

>>712938613
>I hate strivers because they know nothing about other games
>they play other games
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY PUT NOT PLAY MY ULTRA HARD ANIME KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and this is why no one likes goobers

>>712937867
+R's online retrofits were specifically designed to support sub-200 players. The game now puts everyone into one mega lobby, which allows you to quickly find matches from there.

>>712939285
its funny because strive towers were made in same design to divide sub 200 playerbase into shitters and sweats floors

>>712938956
thats not why i hate them

>>712937503
+R is too complex to learn. It's peak anime fighting with total jap domination for a reason.

>>712938937
Why didn't he just option select it?

>>712939734
It’s slop that no one except a handful of autists finds fun, actually

>>712939395
Which bombed miserably in practice for multiple reasons, one of which was that they tried to merge lobby and ranked together.

Granblue Rising went back to the "throw everyone under one roof" approach and it currently has the best lobby in the genre.

>>712937867
Does anyone have the tweet showing this? Google is failing me, but there is a comparison of how long it takes to get into a match in +R and Strive, and you can legit play a round before even getting into the Strive tower

>>712940362
cringe

>>712940362
based

>>712934948
bunch of retarded boomers getting ousted out of the hobby. Losers aris wannabe without the "humor". It's funny how Strive mindbroke them so deeply

>>712941193
They’re still genuinely praying that Strive will die.

>>712933851
it feels alright. cpu is kicking my ass as poliwrath but it has potential

remedial genre for rogs

>>712879136 (OP)
>/v/ being bad faith as usual
SF4 Zangief being next to you is more dangerous than walking down an alleyway at night blindfolded in a third world country, so of course Rolento is gonna spam throwing knives to keep him away. Gief chooses to build meter and try to see if he can find an opening/ catch Rolento over extending. I can make another anology since a lot of you are FPSmonkeys. Imagine it's TF2 and Gief is a Heavy. Do you ever willingly get close to heavy? No, especially if you can poke him from range.

>>712939285
And it actually works because the people playing +R are there to play +R, not chase clout or grind some dumb floor number. Strive tried to gamify matchmaking and all it did was turn casuals away with the tower clutter while giving sweats a false sense of superiority. +R just throws you in with the sharks and says “figure it out,” and honestly? Good.

>>712913468
Vanilla SFA3 was all kinds of fucked.

>>712943074
nobody worth shit cares about floor level in strive, you can find top 100 players in floor 10

>>712934948
Capcom dicksuckers pretending to hate modern games and be OGs, yet you ask what game they play and they either don't play any or play SF6 and T8

>>712930009
>Strive and Granblue had way better top 8s than SF
so true xister

what fighting games are most freaky

>>712943870
trannies love strive and tekken 8, so those

>>712943870
street shitter 6 since it has literal trannies

Idk how people like 4. Its SO slow. Feels like youre fighting in mud idk it feels so sluggish and bad.

>>712943870
sf6 has the biggest fanbase, by sheer numbers you probably have the most freaks there. But if you're talking density, probably some fanmade Sonic discord fighter. Or any anime discord fighter

>>712943870
ultra fight da kyanta 2

>>712943870
strive is a smash and discord fighter combo

I wonder what filtered this schizo
Honda? Year 1 LukeGAWD?

>>712944454
>lukeGAWD
shitty meme forced only by 1 person (You)

>>712895842
>>712916006
I've been playing Strive for years and I never once seen a Nago player combo while in their blood state. Plus the opponent is a Chipp player. If you unironically get hit by his blood sword you deserve it.

>>712922702
technically still relevant to this thread

>>712906527
i want it play with this maam's tits...

>>712945262
such cool sprites wasted on such dogshit game (3 games)

>>712945189
>implying CRAPCOM had a say at all

>>712944138
I know right, why can't I turn green!!

>>712893468
That's the neat part...

>>712888224
Get stocks, throw fireballs, dash up behind the fireball and strike or throw

>>712944138
All SF games are slow, it's why people like them. The only series that's slower is samsho. Before SF3 you didn't even have dashes. SF6 is slow too, but you can press the going fast button to turn green and teleport to your opponent. Slow, but with constant bursts of super fast speed.

how do i play ryu from streets

>>712879136 (OP)
Nobody who says SF4 was the best modern SF game likes Ultra, that's the difference. You like the game they're criticizing, they don't like the game you're criticizing. Therefore you both agree on what trash looks like, but you just have lower standards for good enough.

>>712902054
>but Max has a solid point about
Don't care. Didn't ask. Maybe next time don't go "OH I'M A GUILTY FAN!" get your shit pushed it and then NEVER PLAY ANOTHER GUILTY AGAIN if you want people to respect you, Max.

Captcha: Capcop.

For me it's the slow, honest neutral of vsav.

>>712913468
It is but people that exploit this kind of stuff are just posers.

>>712946003
LMAO

>>712946003
isn't yeti top tier though

>>712913468
Just because people keep replying to this:
1. This is absolutely not standard play
2. A3 infinites are limited to like ten or so characters, some don't even use them since they require something stupid specific like facing a certain side.
3. This infinite was considered so hard that it was thought to be TAS only, this was the first time footage of a human doing it was recorded

>>712946194
hes the honest top tier

>>712930039
Daigo praises A3, but says you shouldn't play v-ism. Even with v-ism, most of the time when I watch high level A3 I don't see things like that. People get infinite combos some times but usually at a point when the other player would have died in SF6 from a level 3 super combo for example. Doesn't mean it's not bullshit though, and the real bullshit is v-ism activation into pressure, and I don't even like the game all that much, but that clip is just cherry picking.

>>712946194
Yes, and the easiest character in the game by far.

Now hold this +4 on block poke that's as fast as a jab and OSes with his throw.

>>712946637
Fuck, posted the neutral skip.

>>712945450
I still can't believe that there's absolutely no lows and highs in this game and guard crushing is hard as fuck, yet they never thought to add throws until the third game.

>>712918669
When is SFIV gonna be considered nostalgia bait so we can get a remaster with rollback so it can become a discordfighter where people agree to not use Ultra shit?

>>712946941
>When is SFIV gonna be considered nostalgia bait
it already is

>>712947573
where remaster

>>712946941
I remember some fan was working on a rollback mod a long time ago. The fact I haven't heard anything about it since means it's probably dead. Imagine if it wasn't though

When are Alpha 2 custom combos coming back?

>>712948387
SF8

>>712948387
combos are going away

>>712925956
This. People just love to complain.

i just lost to a terry just out gaming me as a juri newfag. i dont know what to do at a wall

>>712949228
nigga just drive rush into throw

>>712949228
Become a based autist and lab the interactions

>>712949356
>>712949373
how do i drive rush? is that the one where you charge and theres red and black? IDK how to do the green one still

>>712879329
People constantly say that Daigo is a legend, but whenever I see him play as Guile he just constantly spam projectiles that no character has any proper counter to, lmao.

>>712949528
Drive rush is the green, drive impact is the red
If you're on classic controls the green is both mediums and double tap forward, if you're on modern it's parry and double forward. If you do it from a special cancelable attack you don't need the double tap.

Every single fighting game has some "kuso" in it, which is fine.

>>712949528
If you're that new you can improve by doing literally anything. Watch any tutorial or any of those random road to master videos

>>712949657
>>712949743
thank you so so much bros

>>712948489
Yes, in favor of combo macros

I like Flying Dragon

>>712950390
I played that as a kid with my friends and had a blast.

>>712937760
>>712937867
>>712940362
>>712940846
found it:
https://x.com/qirexx222/status/1832946423798935813
faster to get matches in the "dead game"

>>712913468
This is why Alpha 2 is superior

>>712952026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LntGKCA2BME

>>712943315
NTA but they absolutely did unless you were invested in Punk winning.

>>712945785
c.mk > slime > throw

>>712949228
found you

>>712953162
>whiffed DP into DP
this is real street figher, this is what neutral is about

>>712953162
kek

>>712953162
I don't play SF6 but that whiffed DP seems like a great opportunity to neutral skip into damage, Juri was on autopilot and killed himself.

>>712953162
your gnarly anon

>>712879136 (OP)
That's the only correct way to deal with graplers. Be a zoner. Oh you're not playing a zoner? TOO FUCKING BAD CHANGE YOUR GAMEPLAN TO ZONER AGAINST GRAPLER OTHERWISE YOU'RE FUCKED!

>>712892275
Then 99% of gameplay would be footsies

>>712954601
I mean thats essentially what Nidhogg is

>>712953162
Wouldn't TK divekick beat that no problem?

>>712948261
people don't understand just how computationally expensive it gets for games that don't have a native way to "save and load state", "catchup" (like Slippi) or are designed for rollback. there's a reason why both small inhouse studio french bread AND giant ass corpos like cygames who paid for arcsys help needed to essentially remake their games and it's why dbfz rollback is PC-only and still not very good.
the networking is the easiest part. the hard part is making rollbacks less jarring. don't forget that the tech powering fightcade is from more than twenty years of the same foundation GGPO started.

I want to try Strive but I'm
1. A chud. How popular are troon characters (bridget and testament). I don't like that. Can you at least mod the localisation to remove wrong pronouns(I heard both of them are still refered as male in JP)
2. How fast and hard is it compared to SF6? I like to play defensively. I can't do complex combos and I mostly play shotos and do zoning+jabs+ult

I just hate the throw loops in SF6. I don't have an answer to get rid of them but it's seriously the most annoying aspect of the game.

>>712879136 (OP)
how easy is it to find matches with the rollback mod? i want to go back bros...

>>712956398
Best possibility I heard was
>Throw loops from regular throws are gone period unless you use DR
>Punish counter throws leave you closer and have frame data so that all characters can throw loop off of punish counter throws

>>712956398
you can force throw loops to take resources (DRing into them like chun li) or make them frame perfect (elena)
both solutions are ALREADY in the game

>>712956398
Literally every other fighting game has no throwloop problem. How to get rid of them? Just copy literally any other fighting game, including their own. They want them in on purpose.

>>712956512
There is no rollback mod. I wish it had. Instead you either go back to sfv, or to pre-sf4 games on either fightcade or the collections. SF4 and xTekken are stuck in a limbo.

Can we damn admit that fighting games is a dead genre.

And faggot normies like Maximilian,
and FGC influencers and veterans with no real life skills nor value,
are just trying their hardest to pretend it's not a dead genre?

>>712881194
Fat beaner dicksucking arcade era 1 2 3 billybob mashing

>>712908790
Alpha was the start of the fuckhuge bodies that were all used for the MVC games. Zangief, Sagat and M. Bison were at their beefiest. Wtf are you even talking about?

>>712933851
just give me pokken 2........

>>712880424
2D is just fundamentally very limited
Zones will always stick around like that stench at a smash tournament

>>712934948
Not FGC because they don't actually participate, they just want to post their propaganda.

>>712932603
Her hair looks like a red snake. A crimson viper if you will.

>>712912308
I like these threads cause they convince me every time i made the right call dropping this genre.

>>712960668
Filtered

>>712960668
whatever helps you sleep better ig

Stop playing fighting games.

>>712961757
shut up BITCH

SF6 won.