Thread 712887308

Intel-bros, are we back?

>>712887308 (OP)
RUST!!!! THE CORES ARE RUST!! THE AIR IS RUST THE GROUND IS RUST!!!
Intel quality.

>>712887308 (OP)
What is LP? Even lower power than E cores?

>>712887446
>Meteor Lake incorporates E-cores directly into the SoC tile, which Intel calls Low Power Island (LP) E-cores.

E-cores, but more meme, it seems.

>>712887308 (OP)
>150w
fuck that shit. I have a 420mm cooler. I want 500w

Isn't Intel based in Tel Aviv? They are cooking right now but not for the reasons you'd think

>all these cores
>games will only use one or sth
grim

>>712887308 (OP)
>36 cuck cores
Dismantle Intel-Aviv.

>>712887308 (OP)
Oh wow finally after 10 fucking years of being stuck at 7nm, then going back at 10nm they (allegedly) went with the 2nm architecture.

>>712887749
they are rusting for the past few years and also heating right now. rust + heat = hebrew magic.

>>712887308 (OP)
>still performs worse in games than a 5800X3D

>>712887308 (OP)
Why don't they just try to replicate the 3d cache thing

>>712889039
because not everyone wants a shit GPU which is only good for gaming

>>712889072
>CPU

>>712889072
MemeMD-bros, is it true?
Are 3D cache CPUs shit at non-gaming tasks?

my 4790k took over 3 hours to coompile the linux kernel + drivers

>>712889072
Fuck it, I'll bite the bait
A gaming-focused GPU (and CPU, actually) is going to be more than enough for the overwhelming majority of home-use cases, including occasional AI or rendering stuff. It'll also be significantly more affordable.
In exchange for losing ~10 minutes in non-gaming tasks over the year, you'll gain a significant FPS boost. You might even get back that 10 minutes from loading times, depending on what you're playing (though a good SSD is obviously more important if load speeds are a priority, gaming CPUs also tend to do better)

>>712887308 (OP)
Moar cores!

>>712887308 (OP)
>AMD soon to release 24 core consumer CPUs
>Intel trying to beat them with a slower, hotter architecture by throwing FIFTY-FUCKING-TWO CORES at it
Imagine telling people this during the Bulldozer era.

>>712889201
Yes. Once you run out of your fancy $300 cache it actually slows down your pc.

>>712887308 (OP)
Most games don't take advantage of 8 threads. I'm sure it's a nice CPU, but not for /v/ideogames.

>>712887308 (OP)
>150 W TDP
What are they smoking?

What am i gonna do with 52 cores

>>712887308 (OP)
>lets add more cores
jesus cant they make an x3d equivalent?

>>712890146
I've got sub 70ns latency on AIDA64 with my 9800X3D, tightening subtimings on my RAM. It helps FPS in CPU bound scenarios.

>>712890291
i7-5775C
>>712890307
and your latency would be lower with a better cpu

>>712890348
or better RAM, but at least the FPS is higher.

>>712887749
They have devs in israel but they're in silicon valley like every other company.

>>712887308 (OP)
They have to DeWoke and go 3 cpu generations without a cpu breaking. Even if AMD is 200% slower I won't switch back.

>>712890146
My 13700k with XMP has 51.5ns
7200Mhz DDR5

>>712892008
It's probably faster than X3Piss

you intel shills can cry as much as you want, I'm not buying Intel

>>712892406
I'm shilling non 3D ryzen, x3d is for idiot bait

Intel is losing the race because of a lack of instruction sets.

>>712887706
Intel "150W" cpus regularly go to 300W+

>>712887308 (OP)
Is the shit still oxidating to death?

>>712893369
Degrading

>>712893119
>x3d is for idiot bait
idc about other programs out of games. makes my games run faster, that's what it counts to me. Sorry you were buckbroken with a x-processor and now you're coping

>>712893947
non 3d cpus are faster and cheaper
you just have to set your timings manually

>>712894631
>source: my ass

>>712894763
scroll up

>>712894783
>random pics that can be easily manipulated are a source

>>712894903
feel free to prove them wrong. I know you can't so why put up the act paypig

>>712894941
I don't have to prove anything lmao, you're the one claiming bullshit

>>712894941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDMf9Nzidw
as I said, I don't care about other programs than games.
now go back to cope.

>>712895083
of course the x3d is faster with slow ram
my claim is that the non 3d is faster with properly tuned ram and you can't debunk this because you lack the necessary skill and equipment

Why would gamers want more cores when most games don't handle multicore technology very well? just google hyperthreading and you'll see the most repeated suggestion was to just disable it to get better game performance. Those processors are aimed for servers, not gayming.

>>712887308 (OP)
Yes, because hundreds of cuck cores is exactly what we need for gaming, retard

>>712889024

they are just delidding the trailer for optimal temps

>>712895273
for me to debunk this you'd need to first prove it yourself, fag.
I know you won't.

>32E
What the fuck

>>712895424
already proved it
but do keep buying $300 motherboards for sub 100 amp cpus!

>>712887308 (OP)
>intel is still in their bulldozer phase

>>712895628
>already proved it
as I said, I don't care about your random ass benchmarks.
Show me the x processors are faster IN VIDEOGAMES.

>>712887815
Intel only gives a shit about pushing 400W TDP with 40 threads to beat AMD in synthetic benchmarks these days.

>>712896004
>MOAR CORES

herea a billion dollar idea
make a 6 core no SMT cpu with as much cache and as high frequency/IPC as possible
thank me later

>>712895963
star citizen is a video game. whether you think it's a good game or not is irrelevant. it's a janky mess of a game which is perfect for cpu benchmarking.

>>712887308 (OP)
Am I going to have to undervolt this one too?

>>712890146
Are intelfags going to start using the productivity cope now that AMD beats intel in gaming?

>>712894631
in intrigued
tell me more

>>712896116
Ah, I see how it is. So your only proof is that picture from that game, which shows the 7700x having a slight edge of a couple of frames on 0.1 lows and avg frames.

>>712890146
>memory latency
use case? does it make games run faster than x3d or make threadripper not stomp multicore?

>>712887308 (OP)
>52 cores

ok... so it's a server cpu. Not one made for gaming.

>>712887749
they are based in California in the same city as AMD and Nvidia

>>712887308 (OP)
so 16 usable and 36 waste of sand?

>>712890475
>scam shitizen
>7700x with its retarded housefire mode
>7800x3d with its locked clocks
you could do the same stupid shit on a 9800x3d and get even higher frames and it's properly unlocked

>>712890146
My friend is a memory fag. He owns a 7700X and some garbage GPU. Does he play games at all or do anything productive other than watch youtube? nope. Memory fags are hilarious.

>>712887308 (OP)
i don't know what that means

>>712890146
9800X3D sub 70ns latency, it's also overclocked +200MHZ. Changed nothing with my RAM but sub timings.

>>712899078
yes, but did you consider buying 8000mhz ram to sate some random anon's autism?

DDR4 3200 MHz-bros, are we toast?

>>712887652
OH NONONO

>>712899305
That doesn't work well with AMD.

>>712897889
but the timings bro, the benchmarks.

>>712890146
>ryzen 1000 onwards: kills intel in productivity.
>ryzen 5000 onwards: kills intel in games.

b-but memory latency in synthetic benchmarks!

>only 16 real cores
>32 tranny cores
>4 loser cores
No thanks

>>712895273
>my claim is that the non 3d is faster with properly tuned ram
that's not true, or at least it depends what you mean
the whole reason x3d chips exist is because whenever your computer does something to data it needs to move it from ram to cache.
if the cache is three times the size, it does this less often, hence the massive speed up in some games like factorio which loads a thousands of item positions into cache.
from what I understand for thermal reasons these chips don't clock as high (which is the whole reason the 9950x3d exists so you get both)

you cant really say non 3d is "faster" without clarifying you mean faster in benchmarks and in situations where data access is fucked due to whatever use-case.

This could be the end for the Advanced Marketing Division

amd should into meme core market
it's baffling that they're losing on multicore when that's why the original ryzens won

SARR THIS HAS ONE THOUSAND CORES!!! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE IT IS SLOW!!! NO SARR ONLY WINDOWS 8!!!

>>712887308 (OP)
this is for ai

>>712896139
Yes

>>712887308 (OP)
nothing scales past 16 threads stupid nigger

>>712887308 (OP)
Meanwhile games will still be single threaded, so those other 40 cores will be useless. And it can get worse because sometimes games use e-cores instead of the P cores because of how well optimized Windows 10 and 11 are for these kind of Cpu's.

Osmt this morning a /g/ thread ?

>>712903153
Fellow singlethreading-bro, our time is over.
>>712809496

>>712887308 (OP)
more cores just create more latency.

>>712903349
yeah but my lzma2 benchmarks that are 2 seconds faster...

>>712903153
>Meanwhile games will still be single threaded
This isn't 2005 anymore.
Nowadays games are able to use more than 2 cores.
Even Fallout 3 uses 2 cores.

I really hate that they renamed their cpus what was wrong with core i5 i7 i9? This new naming scheme is retarded to me

>>712903469
Rebranding means it's better optics, chud

>>712903739
I don't care

>>712903469
intel had the most solid naming scheme and they just threw it away
nvidia decided to go up by thousands for no reason
amd's names are a complete asspull, they started counting from 5000 on their gpus and their cpus are all in odd thousands

>>712893947
>Stutters out the ass
>Bad framepacing
>Crashes
They'll never fix these issues btw, AMD just doesn't care.

>>712905090
are you speaking from experience or is your source some contrarian youtube video with less than 50 subs

>>712905090
I've yet to see any of those issues on my 5800x3d, but sure anon.

>>712905090
and how exactly is this exclusive to cpus with more cache?

>>712905421
I bet he's the same RAM-tuning-Anon that changed strategy in order to keep coping because he's stuck with a non-x3d processor.

Sigh, time to torture myself by replying to retarded browns in /v/ again...
>>712887308 (OP)
Did intel finally manage to move to 3-4 nm? If not, nothing else matters too much really.
>>712887706
It is the TDP meme number retard, not the actual power draw.
>>712893230
There were problems with some SIMDs in latest intels but that is not actually very relevant to /v/ side of things.
>>712889072
>>712889201
>>712890146
It can be a waste of money for many non-video game tasks but by itself it doesn't really hurt performance in anything.
Zen3 and Zen4 x3ds had inferior non-gaming performance because they were power limited and downclocked due to termal limits.
AMD overhauled cache design for zen 5 and 9000 x3ds, now without the said limits, have either rough parity with their non-x3d counter parts or perform better. This is not an innate problem with x3ds.

>>712887308 (OP)
>+32E(strogen) cores
No one asked for this

>>712887815
The top intel chips are usually for productivity related tasks and buying them for gaming is a bit of a waste. Like a 13900 doesn't do much better than a 13700 in gaming, but is much more powerful if you're larping as a render farm.

>>712905652
nobody cares , faggot

>>712906937
You cared enough to reply though, Rajeesh

>>712897225
They have a presence in Israel which makes them jews. AMD has a presence in Israel too, but the saars who employ my call center to shill AMD have assured me they are the good guys and it doesn't count.

I have a 5600x and 6700xt

what should I do? Upgrade to AM5 or get a new GPU? I want to play games at 1440p, and I worry my rig isn't going to be powerful enough for EU5 and in the future for the MH wilds DLC when i start playing that game properly

>>712907645
you can do a light upgrade and find a 5800x3d. If you're lucky, you can still find some new one in stores.

>>712907224
you're still a faggot

>>712907645
I mean just upgrading the CPU (also ram and motherboard) won't save your ass in 1440p and getting a new, expansive mid range or higher GPU in that older rig would a little bit wasted. Your build is not too terribly outclassed neither for 1080p.
My advice is that grit your teeth, save money and build a new rig with 1440p monitor from scratch 1-2 years later. Sell it second hand to get some money back.

>>712908071
>conceding being Indian
Thanks for the laugh lmao. I didn't expect that.

>>712887308 (OP)
doesn't matter, if it doesn't have 3D cache then its obsolete

>>712907645
Ignore this >>712908039 anon 5800/5700x3d is not really worth anymore in 2025.

>>712900065
Where the fuck is his chin?

>>712907645
your PC is not powerful enough for 1440p, give up
t. 5700x3d + 6700xt owner (now swapped to 9070xt)
>>712908386
they are worth it if you don't plan to spend double the price to change your mobo/RAM/cooler as well

>>712907645
either use the rig you have or upgrade to am5
if you find your gpu too slow, anything under 9070/5070 is not worth it

>>712908386
He already has a AM4 mobo, he could upgrade to a 5800x3d without having to buy again mobo + RAM + heatsink. 5800x3d is enough for just 1440p with the right GPU if he has low budget

>>712908625
5600 to 5(7/8)00x3d is seriously not worth it. Especially since he plans to go 1440p where it is even less relevant
I could understand if he was coming from Zen 2 or something but for 5600 the difference isn't worth sinking 200+ bucks for most people.

>>712908767
Idiot
Those slow ass cpus are $300
you can get am5 for that much

>>712907645
I'm in a similar situation
5600x + RX 6600
What I did was buy a 9060xt as my final upgrade
This will last me a decent amount of years
I gotta be honest though the idea of building an entirely new PC pisses me off

>>712909020
just tighten your ram timings and you'll get x3d performance for free

>>712907645
>1440p
Don't get the 9060xt 16gb. It barely manages GTA V at 1440p ultra and expedition 33 native 1080p at high struggles too.
t. 7600x3d+9060xt owner

>>712909002
yes, for $300 more

>>712909002
...which imply he'd have to change mobo + ram + heatsink.
do you know what CPU sockets are, anon?

>>712887308 (OP)
One billion cores, devs still make games that aren't multi threaded.

>>712909127
which screwdriver do I use for that?

>>712890146
>AIDA
Oh no, it's retarded.

>>712909002
Not for 300 but if you add 100 something more to 5800x3d's price you can get 7600 + 2x16 ram + semi decent mobo which performs better and also leaves you with future upgrade path.
Getting Zen 3 X3Ds in 2025 is a reddit meme and broke retards propagate it there because they are broke retards.
>>712909254
See above

>>712907645
Also anon if you are serious visit /g/'s /pcbg/ instead of here.
A lot of poor advice.

>>712909459
pcbg is full of x3dtards

>>712909379
5800x3d price is irrelevant because they're not in production anymore, realistically the nigga is looking at a 5700x3d and these cost around the same as a 9600x. Minus the board, ram and heatsink required for the switch of course.

>>712909580
also it's dog slow and gets mogged by $120 7500f

>>712909379
>if you add 100 something more to 5800x3d's price you can get 7600 + 2x16 ram + semi decent mobo
>7600X3D + 32GB RAM + MOBO = 450$ in anon's mind

>>712909379
The RAM alone is $100 more lmao

>>712909689
Why are you obsessed with 3D cache? Literal cult behaviour. The non 3D cpus are much better value and you can spend the money you save on a better screen and graphics card instead.

Which use case can realistically benefit from so many cuck cores? Games don't scale well above a handful of cores, desktop use barely needs anything and multithreaded productivity tasks would prefer the die space being dedicated to real cores. Is it just to put a big number on the box and scam normalfags with it?

>>712909798
>just get a chimped uncached cpu and waste days finding the perfect RAM settings to work with a game which just makes your computer crash with another game bro trust me it's worth it in those edge-cases where the non-x3d processors are slightly better than x3d ones.
You need to understand that not everyone is a jobless NEET like you, anon.

>>712910126
enabling xmp is fine too, you just get 10% extra performance instead of 20%

>>712910227
but everyone has enabled xmp by default dumbass
at least I fucking hope so, surely no one is out there running their memory at 60% of its rated spec?

>>712910227
I can do that with X3D cpus too.

>>712909689
Where did I say 7600x3d schizo?
Anyway literal pcpartpicker prices as of now:
7600x = 180 (9600x is also apparently going for roughly the same now, might want to consider that)
Generic DDR5 6000 CL 30 2x16 ram = 90-100
Generic lower end B650/B850 mobo = 130-160
Total = 400-440 bucks, which is around 100 something higher than 300 something 5800x3d.
It becomes more favorable for 5700x3d which is currently going for 260, but that still locks you in increasingly obsolete ddr4 and no upgrade path.
>>712909746
Refer to above.

>>712910489
>Generic lower end B650/B850 mobo = 130-160
Those are solid mid range boards, assuming you don't get one with old school mosfets

>>712910589
I mean sure, I personally went with something in the 180-200 range but most of those are perfectly fine too.
I probably should have said something like lower midrange though, I phrased that wrongly.

>>712910489
...so he would basically change the entire PC for roughly the same performances as with the 5600x?

this one is so stupid I won't even give a (You)

>>712911114
You suggest buying a $200 cpu with roughly the same performance as the one he has. You're stupid. An RGB fan would probably give more performance.

>>712903153
UE6 is going to support true multithreading, so if that's the industry standard, all those cores will actually be useful.

>>712911225
5700x3d is like a nice 15 - 20% increase in performance over the 5600x for half the costs involved in the 7600x purchase (and the 5700x3d is still slightly above it in gaming performance btw, so you're really paying more for less). The only thing you get for doing this is an AM5 platform with a shitty CPU.

>>712911225
By itself the 5800x3d is roughly 25% more powerful than the 5600x.
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8b7jBfkXH8

>>712911960
But since 5800x3d are basically unobtanium at this point, falling back to 5700x3d like >>712911845 suggests is also nice and it saves you 100$ more.

>>712911845
>>712911960
negligible difference. not worth $200. save up for am5. any other suggestion is stupid.

>>712912098
why are you upgrading a 2016 platform absolute moron. zen 3 is already the latest cpu that fits the socket.

>>712912232
All I'm saying is, if you're going to pay extra for the AM5 switch then at least get a good CPU with it that has 3D cache, otherwise you're wasting money on a CPU that you will soon replace anyway. If you sell the 5600x then you can get the 5700x3d for like $120, that's pretty decent for a dead platform.

>>712912617
x3d is a meme. get a normal ryzen and save some money.

>>712912232
>save up for am5
that's the only reasonable advice you spouted so far.
Telling him to upgrade to am5 with a shitty cpu wasn't.
>>712912363
>why are you upgrading a 2016 platform
because I don't know his budget, and imho is still a better advice than telling him to go am5 with a chimped cpu.

>>712912232
it really all depends on types of games you play
if you play gpu bound AAA slop, then CPU barely matters
other shit like esports slop like cs or lol or autistic map sims will benefit from x3d CPU

>>712912710
If you hate 3D cache then you might as well buy Intel kek.

>>712912884
it's really weird to me how nobody does autism games benchmarks in CPU comparisons
>so today we're testing the new CPU, we lowered the new AAA slop game resolution to something nobody will ever play at because otherwise all the results become the same
instead of just, idk, playing something like Victoria 3 or Stellaris at max speed and measuring how fast the time flows

>>712913320
Factorio and the space game are actual valid use cases for x3d. Retards buy them to "play" interactive movies

>buy x3d
>no buy the latest x3d if you upgrade
Nigga, this anon got a fucking 6700xt, if he upgrade to a fucking latest AM5 x3d then its a fucking useless.
Also upgrading to AM5 is the right choice because unlike shittel you still can upgrade to latest CPU later.
I was using the same MSI b350 mobo from 2017 and already upgrading my CPU 4 fucking times and took me less than a week to sell my old ones.

>2 tiles
Dead on arrival. Stick to the single tile SKUs

who cares? technically gpu is the bottleneck for games right now but idk if even that is true, they should invest in better development software

>>712913526
>Also upgrading to AM5 is the right choice
It could be, but suggesting him to upgrade to AM5 and get a low-end cpu in the process that he'll eventually need to replace not soon after isn't really a solid advice.
>unlike shittel
bear in mind anon that Intel has become so shitty that we're just merely discussing whichever AMD type of cpu is the best. Anons here aren't even considering Intel as a valid option.

>>712913803
>technically gpu is the bottleneck for games right now
it depends which games and which resolution.
you wouldn't want a 7600x with a 4k monitor, for example.

>>712913526
People are really hungry for CPUs out there. I sold my old 5700x off like 1 day after making a listing for it and getting 20 messages.
That being said, buying the latest x3d doesn't stop him from buying a better GPU later on to go with it, in the meantime the little nigga can play Dwarf Fortress with 1000 dwarves in the fort at 100 fps to his heart's content.

>>712887308 (OP)
Jewish company
Not buying

>>712913892
It's the opposite, CPU becomes the bottleneck when trying to reach high framerates at low resolutions and games become more GPU-bound as resolution goes up. You want a beefy CPU if you're trying to do 1080p@480Hz, not 4k60.

>>712913909
CPU price will keep coming down as long they keep getting produced, but X3D shit still goes high because of demand.
The problem is not the CPU, but using freaking old MOBO that might goes kaput and elling a single used mobo is harder than selling a whole rig with CPU and RAM, a complete set minus GPU still got value for some suckers.
I rather get new AM5 mobo with CPU that equvalent with 5700x3d instead of gambling with my old shit, the only reason I haven't upgrade is because there's no game that give me bottleneck with my current 5600, once that shit happen I will put everything to market place minus my GPU, just like my old sandybridge CPU+mobo.

>>712914413
The problem with PC hardware is that you can't really test if it still works before you sell it. I have a 1070 in a box somewhere that I have no idea what to do with because I can't be assed to DDU my shit, unplug everything, replace it, install drivers, benchmark it and then do it all again in reverse just to use my current GPU again. Is the hassle really worth that $50 I could get for it? Probably not.

>>712915353
I never buy used, only sell, none of them ever complain since I also sell it locally because I hates dealing with retard who can't build their own PC then complain when something doesn't work because of their own stupidity.

>>712915594
I buy used all the time. Saves a ton of money

>>712915776
CPU and RAM kinda safe buying used, I rather not gamble with GPU or MOBO unless its still got warranty.

>>712887308 (OP)
>Only 16p cores.

>>712887308 (OP)
Still going to use 9950x3d.

>>712889201
Yes, yeah yeah yeah.