Thread 712903653

I am not a game dev but can someone explain to me why it's looked down upon if a developer makes games using assets sold in the engine they are using? Asset flipping or whatever you call it. Why is this looked down upon?

it's seen as lazy

we had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch

>>712903694
why does that matter if the game is good?

>>712903653 (OP)
It's generally seen as lazy, and giving up artistic vision for ease.
That said, I don't think anyone minds if you use unity assets for, fucking, barrels or tables or mundane shit like that.

>>712903653 (OP)
Well if you are doing a good enough job non even notice or call you out for using assets
But if you do a bad job assets look obvious and ugly and cheap

>>712903743
just hire someone to do the 3d models for your game

>stock textures from a CD
>stock textures from an engine

>>712903823
See this is what I think it is. Guilt tripping and shaming just to give people jobs

>>712903653 (OP)
>Why
It means that you're fucking lazy and your game might end up looking like that other way worse game instead.

>>712903653 (OP)
Asset flips usually use ONLY bought assets or like 99% bought assets.
Most games have bought assets and it's fine for generic props that fit with general artstyle but asset flips are looked down upon because most often they are shitty games that are just pumped out quick with little care hoping some gulliable idiot will buy it.
There are few decent games that were made by one programmer so he bought all art assets but when you have like 100 scam asset flips due to sheer number of them for every 1 actual game with bought assets then it's no wonder there's a huge stigma.

>>712903653 (OP)
Because you got caught.
Which means you did it shittily and lazily and your game is trash and reflects that. No good game gets called out for being a lazy asset flip. Good devs don't even get questioned - like RE4 just bought most of its textures from a texture CD, which is buying assets, and people drool over its art direction.

If your game is so disjointed and slapdash that even non-artists can tell, you're just kind of shit.

>waltuh
>put your dick away waltuh
>I'm not having sex with you right now waltuh
was he right?

>>712903878
I personally think that different assets make the game more unique, but yeah by all means you can still use stock assets if the game is great. people are playing shit looking games all the time because the gameplay is fun

>>712903653 (OP)
Uncannyness of seeing it repeated in other games
try editing it or some shit, or at least go through those fucking tutorials you have ignored for years

>>712903653 (OP)
Back in the day if a game had reasonably good graphics then you would expect it to be a solid game that had some time/effort put into it. Not always but this usually true.
Nowadays it doesn't mean anything because you can buy everything, drop them into a template and call it a day.

The sooner we accept that good graphics don't mean anything the better.

>>712904432
To say they "don't mean anything" is a bit reductive. There's plenty of arguments to be made about distinctive art style, UI design, and I could even use non-vidya examples like how brand logos are soulless due to minimalistic design. Simplicity should be a tool, not a crutch. Gameplay still matters the most.

>>712903653 (OP)
>go see a movie
>half the costumes and props are from a movie you've already seen

>>712904616
By good graphics I'm talking about photorealism more than stylized.
A good stylized game you always assume (even if not true) is entirely custom artwork.

>>712903743
name 3

>>712903743
if you're a small studio then it's fine and understandable
if you'e a big company studio then if you can't even be bothered to make original assets to give your game an original visuals then that's just a bad sign of probably other shits you're cheaping out too

>>712904661
This is literally how Hollywood is.

This is why nobody likes zoomers.

>>712904661
anon they have used the same reprinted fake newspaper for over half a century

>>712904752
I was talking hypothetically. If a game is good why does it matter?

>>712904812
>>712904819
As if to prove my point.

>>712903743
>asset flip sloppa
>the game is good
When has this ever been the case?

>>712904661
>>712904812
not to mention movies already use real life objects like cans, screwdrivers, various types of cars, etc, etc instead of making their own
this idea that everything should be made from scratch for vidya is retarded

>>712904895
No it refuted your point

>>712903743
Thats a big if.

>>712903743
one thing people are forgetting is that when this stigma came about we were coming of the tail end of some of the biggest increases in graphical fidelity and hardware capabilities we would EVER see.
people expected better and newer shit with each new game.
asset flipping often meant reusing older stuff that didn't look as nice as what was possible now.
so you weren't just saving money, you were compromising on quality as well.

>>712904985
Aren't all modern RE Remakes asset flips? They make a new mainline game then the next remake uses assets from that game. That seems to be the pattern

Every big game now uses megascans and I don't see people bitching about it. It's only indie devs that aren't allowed to use assets.

>>712904985
Garry's mod

>>712903653 (OP)
its just that most of the time they are low effort games
so since the game is already shit people associated asset flip with slops
but in few rare cases when the game is decent then only anti-shill will then use asset flip as the way to attack it

>>712904741
Then yes, I agree completely. They spend too much money and resources on pointless things like raytracing when they could use simple dev tricks that we figured out decades ago for more or less the same result. Then they could focus on other things with that time and money like polishing gameplay or even more levels.

>>712905002
No it didn't, hollywood sucks ass.

>>712905002
it didnt.
the first movie you showed was the most popular of an iconic movie, starship troopers
the second was from a later season of a power rangers spinoff that was known for lower production values but still did very well
the last was from firefly, which despite its cult following was sabotaged and canceled early one.

each showing was a degeneration in quality.

>>712903743
>>712903653 (OP)
people only complain about asset flips because they are shit
someone that cared so little that they didn't even bother making their own assets is almost guaranteed to also care very little about everything else being good

>>712905234
>iconic
>did very well
>cult following
>all achieved with the same reused props
i fail to see the problem

>>712905228
>>712905234
It did 100%. Hollywood reuses assets too which the claim was it didn't. You lost.

>>712904867
your hypothetical is retarded and so are (You)

>>712904985
Mario 64

>>712903653 (OP)
The problem isn't using assets, the problem is that they use assets and dont make anything themselves.
They're copy pasting and expecting you to buy their shovelware.
Would you pay pasta-anon to shitpost for all eternity with other peoples posts?

>>712905474
I accept your concession.

its kinda like seeing ai posts on 4chan
I didnt sign up for it

>>712905434
>anon doesnt understand english
oh, you are illiterate.
I will take pity on you, then.
The other guy made a comparison to watching a movie and seeing reused props because its a disgusting idea and people won't like it as much.
You showed productions that did that and each was worse than the previous one.

>>712905407
>things get worse every time
>"I see no problem"
you one of those braille users, then?

>>712905580
>low production (read: SOVL) but still enjoyed by its audience
WOOOOOOW almost like you don't need a six gorillion dollar budget to make a good film

>>712904985
>>712903743
>>712903694
>>712903653 (OP)
>>712905058
No because Capcom has to make the damn assets in the first place. OP clearly asks about games that buy their assets from the asset store.

Also, for a more corporate reason, making your own assets helps secure the IP for the future. If you guys recall, the PUBG devs tried to sue Epic Games for copying their game formula and didn't have enough proof that PUBG had enough "uniqueness" to be considered its own thing enough to be copied, because it was a game made with most generic assets.

>>712905580
No you tried to do a sarcastic statement stating that this doesn't happen in movies and you were wrong and backpedaling so hard you have to pretend to be another anon.

>>712905702
>No because Capcom has to make the damn assets in the first place
No it's about seeing assets used again that you saw somewhere else. Where an asset store is one place this can happen it can happen in other places or pillaged from a game you own

>>712905824
>Where an asset store is one place this can happen it can happen in

>>712905927
complete the rest of the sentence

>>712905995
Right after you type it again but in English.

>>712906034
It is in perfect English pajeet. Not my fault you can't read.

>>712903653 (OP)
It's only really an issue if it's obvious. Most small teams do because it's a ton of work to make everything from the ground up. Most devs are just smart enough not to use a dozen mismatched asset packs and throw them together into a game where they stick out. Even big name devs reuse a ton of assets between their own games because why wouldn't they?

>>712903653 (OP)
It's mostly going to be cheap games. For the most part a 3d model is made specifically for the engine/movement scheme of the game. So it will never be smooth looking. You have the platforming games that are popular for like a month and that's about it.

But honestly I think game devs hold themselves to a weird standard. If they've already created all the assets I see no issue in making a whole new game using them. Ie majoras mask. Nowadays games are so big there's a lot assets that are hardly even paid attention to. They could make smaller scaled games based in only small portions of the game amd expand their universe instead of just dlc packs focused on the main caste.

>>712906126
Post hand.

>>712903653 (OP)
Asset flippers take random assets from the engine asset stores, bolt them together without proper coherency into something vaguely resembling a game and they sell that on Steam.
If a proper developer uses assets from the store to make a game, 99% of people will never even realize that store bought assets were used.

Asset flipping isn't the act of using store bought assets, it's taking store bought assets and game frameworks and bolting them together without any vision just to make a quick buck. The point isn't to make a game, the point is to create something to sell.

>>712903653 (OP)
>using assets sold in the engine
That happens all the time and 99% of the time nobody gives a shit as long as the game is alright and has some original assets that blend in with the bought ones.
>asset flipping
This refers to devs who just grab a bunch of asset repackage them as a game to make a quick buck. It's essentially a form of spam.

>>712906336
>gets proven wrong when asked for an example
>tried to invalidate the example and fails
>back against the wall start whining about ESL
>"post hand"
>all because he was proven wrong
I accept your concession.

>>712906241
Very ignorant post.

>>712906627
>wall of text over 2 words
i won

>>712905759
>anon is crashing out because a second person joined in
ok retard. have fun being unable to read lol

>>712906994
>>712907103
I accepted your concession we are good

if the dev couldn't bother to at least sprinkle some ai slop onto the texture or just add another one on top, it kinda seems like you're just shitting out some shovelware cashgrab

>>712907245
>repeats himself out of MINDBROKENness
YUP YUP YUP.

>>712907303
see previous post

>>712907245
my dude...

>>712907865
my brother in christ, we all know what a phone is

>>712907989
oh so you are an assmad newfag?

>>712908136
I accepted your concession already anon remember?

>>712908227
Damn you ARE new.
Look buddy if you are gonna accuse people of samefagging rule 1 is to not do so after making a fool of yourself.
rule 2 is to not give away that you are so new you don't know how to tell when someone else has plugins from their screenshots.

>>712908361
Not reading all that. See the previous post.

>leave for half an hour
>retard is STILL raging at me and thinks someone else is me

>>712903743
Because if you're a big company it's seen as being unable to use your manpower to upgrade models or textures and therefore lazy or a misappropriation of your staff.
If you're a smaller company you can get away with it because people understand it required a decent budget to constantly be cycling stuff out.

I have no issue with reusing assets as long as you have a reason for it and it doesn't look out of place, though From Soft in particular is a bit egregious with their use of the exact same skeleton moveset and model over and over in every Souls game and Elden Ring having random brand new enemies having half their moveset be an older game's moveset when ER had a much higher budget than their normal titles.

>>712908560
its hilarious that they think being an actual toddler refusing to read is supposed to do anything but make us laugh

>>712908136
>>712908227
chill brehs

>he's so mad he is passive aggressively greentexting about me and then replying to himself
thanks for the confirmation that I got to you.

>>712908742
>he's so mad he is passively greentexting his crashout about two dudes not being the same dude
I thought you weren't going to read?

>>712903653 (OP)
>REDEEM THE ASSET FLIPPED SHOVELWARE SAARS

>>712908913
he thinks one of us is using a phone to samefag.
he is a retarded newfag that doesn't even know how people actually do it.

>>712908907
>saying I didn't read that post upset him this much

>>712909015
>me continuing to reply upset him this much

>he is still doing the passive aggressive reply thing while pretending I didn't get to him
kek

>here's what's gonna happen
>You're gonna open up this thread, then you're gonna hit "Post a Reply"
>I don't care what you put it the comment box, do what feels right. Post a picture instead if you want to. I don't care.
>But here's the important part: you're gonna post that comment. And when you do, you're gonna get doubles. That'll let me know you're solid and you can stay in this thread
>But if you get singles: YOU. ARE. OUT.
>you can go to /tv/, you can go to /mu/, just don't show yourself back on /v/ again, got it?

>>712909061
>>712909078
oh no we became triplets!
guys, a THIRD phone has entered the thread!

>>712903653 (OP)
if you are making a meal using increadients that everyone else is using, your slop will taste like everything else. It's not that difficult. That doesn't mean you can't make amazing ,but you must own up to your limitations and work around them

>>712909060
make sure to do the green text thing then jump onto your phone and reply to yourself

>>712909159
anon I have THREE phones now, can't you tell?
are you just jealous I have three phones or something?

>he's STILL doing angry green text
But I didn't get to you sure

>he's actually just retarded and wants to argue with a boogeyman in his head
YUP. THAT'S a win for me.

>>712909195
calm down holy shit lol you are seething

>>712903743
It doesn't matter if the game is good.
But because the developer is lazy the game is usually not good.

>>712903653 (OP)
Because all assets need to be artisanally hand crafted pixel by pixel by virgins in Los Angeles. Does your stock photo made to look like Tali look good enough? Do the assets you bought look fine and serve their purpose? It doesn't fucking matter because it's the journey that matters most rather than the destination.

>"whats an example of a modern game that asset flips"
>"Sure Resident Evil"
>"nooooooo NOOOOOOOOOOO"
>proceeds to have the mother of all meltdowns for an hour and counting
kek

Are there really any people that are like, "I recognize this asset from another game made by this company, this reduces the value of the game to me"
I can see some arguments for like "ummm reusing this asset reduces the aesthetic unity" but it's usually rounding error nitpicking unless it's really bad

>wall of text
>STILL insisting it's one person
I won.

>>712909287
calm down holy shit lol you are seething

>he has to copy the alpha male
DONE.

>>712909112
Yeah?
Why?

>desperately crashing out so he can feel slightly better as he runs away
>DONE.

now what do I do with these 3 phones?
anyone want to buy one?

>"crashing out"
You must be 18 years or older to use this site.

>I say that because I made this thread and want to see posts you are just mad and seething at me
Worst no u ever lol

>>712909917
Okay boomer

>>712903653 (OP)
It's like using word art in a PowerPoint. It works, but it won't win you any awards and reusing too many assets will also make your game look generic.

>dead facebook meme from 10 years ago
DONE.

>random sentence
DONE.

>copying again
DONE.

>coping again
DONE.

>DONE.
DONE.

>>712904985
the GBA and DS castlevanias reused assets constantly and were still really damn good.

>CHADstic man
I accept the compliment.

>>712910384
Its a self portrait, but since you are me on my new FOURTH phone its ok.

(You) are DONE

>>712909450
I always used to get happy spotting reused assets, especially sounds. Baldur's Gate 1 and Digimon World 1 use a stock bird chirping sound effect and I thought it was funny when I could pick it out.

>>712910920
its weird how some reused assets are more like references and jokes.
like the Wilhelm scream or the Howie scream.
sound folies are built different in our minds.

>>712910293
All Igavanias suck.

>>712909112
check em

>>712911534
castlevania 3 is like 80% reused assets and is the best game in the series

>>712903653 (OP)
asset flipping is when you make a game that's extremely low effort even outside of the bought assets, meaning you did basically nothing but buy the assets and sell them in a new package, hence asset flipping. not just any use of bought assets

>>712903743
Same thing as AI art, it doesnt matter, but artsfags will shit and piss themselve over it, because their choosen career was always about holding devs hostage to their fancy pancy art school diploma, and now its useless. Thanx AI and asset sharing.

>>712915453
>choosen
SAAR

>>712903694
Depends, if the team is a small one ok sure, but soon they will have to make their own assets or else it's going to be mismatch.

>>712903653 (OP)
it bassically make every game looks the same, hence the "EU5" look meme going around

>>712903653 (OP)
You risk making your game less memorable. If you play a dozen rpgmaker games with the same default character sprites and tilesets they kinda start blurring together while the one that uses original assets will be the one to stand out.

>so mad at me he started arguing with someone that wasn't me
kek