i think that "drifting" is stupid. its a dumb and unfun mechanic that ends up dominating everything about the game. racers would be more fun if there were no drifting and you actually had to focus on driving and turning. with drifting the entire game just becomes one big drift fest and it doesnt even feel like racing at that point.

>>712954846 (OP)
>American post

>>712954846 (OP)
so you wanna play gran turismo

>>712954846 (OP)
Rally

I agree because it gives too much control, like it's effectively a "hairpin turn" toggle. You'll never take a corner too fast in Mario Kart and slam into a wall. It's too shalllow.

>>712954846 (OP)
>The main reason mario kart doesn't feel like a real racer is because drifting
I'm taking a shit right now so I'm phoneposting, but I want you to know I have a folder of smug anime girl reactions on my pc that I would have used for this post.

You don't really need to drift in MKW it's net negative most of the times

>>712955116
>he doesn't have a phoneposting folder
NGMI

>>712954846 (OP)
Drifting is fine if you have other mechanics too. There's this never-to-be-released indie kart game The Karters 2 and they thought that it would be good idea to have infinite reserve/boost system so the game pretty much is just all about hitting frame perfect miniturbos and staring more at the fucking boost meters than the actual game.

>>712954846 (OP)
that's just most racing games which aren't kart racers, ie f-zero, gran turismo, some NFS games and any F1 game
there are plenty of choices if you wanna drive in a line and sometimes make easy, boring turns

>>712955120
Well you don't also take good lines in MKW because it's children battle royale game.

Drifting is acceptable when it is merely a natural consequence of the game's physics. Games such as the older Generally, or the more recent Art of Rally, are games where you will drift around corners, but because it is the best way to maintain the car's momentum on low-grip surfaces.
Games with dedicated drift buttons are generally the most problematic.

>>712954846 (OP)
Realistic driving isn't fun. It's like realistic biking. People want fun vidya.

>>712954846 (OP)
Not having drifting is like not having combos in a fighting game.

>>712954846 (OP)
I'm more of an extremist. The Kart racer style where you just mindlessly hold the drift button on any curve is boring. Either give me pure realism where drifting is bad and you have to focus on your lines, or go the max like Initial D arcade stage where you have considerable control over your drift angle and have to take physics into account.

Drifts which gradually slow you down until you get a miniturbo are gay. Drifts which retain your momentum allowing for sharp turns at full speed are fun.

>>712954846 (OP)
Why are tendies so fucking stupid?

>>712955120
True in MKW you just need to sandbag until you get good item drops lmao.

>>712954846 (OP)
If these games didn't have drifting they would be boring as fuck. The drifting is more about giving the player more inputs to do.

>>712954846 (OP)
It gives you something to do otherwise you’d just be holding down one button and watching your vehicle slowly drive around.

>>712954846 (OP)
mario kart is a party game, not a racing game

this was the best racing game i'd played in years
i bought it out of nostalgia over Hot Wheels Stunt Track Driver - which I'd played as a kid - expecting to just check it out and refund in <2 hours and then played through the whole campaign because it was so solid
there is drifting but you don't get a speed boost out of it like in MK, it's primarily for making turns
instead you have a persistent boost meter which charges up as you drift and is used at the press of a button, with different cars have different types of boosts
i really recommend pirating it, just don't buy any of the MTX slop and don't expect an active multiplayer scene

>>712954846 (OP)
i like how midnight club does it where you can handbreak drift easily and be very reactive but actually turning is still the most optimal way to take a corner.
>you actually had to focus on driving and turning.
ballisticng fwiw

>>712955432
yeah if you suck at it I could see it not being fun. the more realistic the better

>>712958342
Then don't play fucking Mario Kart, an arcade racer. I don't like realistic driving so I don't play those style racing games and I sure as shit don't advocate for them to be changed.

>>712958538
drifting and being faster isn’t realistic so it fits that it should be a major mechanic in mario kart.

>>712954846 (OP)
>I'm shit at drifting so it's bad

>>712954846 (OP)
It's not unpopular an opinion in fact, it's quite popular but kart games aren't really racing. They're more about making someone else lose than about you trying to win, so they should just be as stupid as possible

>>712954846 (OP)
Well mkw drifting isn't that good so there you go

DLIFTING IS AWESOME, STUPID AMELICAN PIGGU

>>712956213
Midnight Club is perfect when it comes to its drifting and power sliding.

>>712954846 (OP)
What games actually have GOOD drifting? Drifting is cool and fun if done right. Most enjoyment I've gotten from drifting in a game was accidental well done drifting in gta 5's singlplayer, which felt fun and special because it wasn't intended and was a result of the physics, yet the physics weren't really designed around that, so that made it feel special.

>>712954846 (OP)
Drifting should result in a lower exit speed than properly taking the turn, but I'm fine with it existing.
On the other hand, slipstream bonuses can go fuck themselves outside of 1v1 races. With larger groups it turns into an anti-catch-up mechanic where falling away from the pack means you no longer get the easy free speed boost that everyone else gets.

>>712966620
Initial D arcade stage is the only one I can think of, because the game is built around the drifting. It's very physics based. Done entirely by jerking the wheel and dropping gears or braking, and continuing to use the wheel to adjust your angle through the drift. And the game takes into account your angle and speed for your drifts as well.

>>712954846 (OP)
>game has drifting
>it's a powerslide

>>712954846 (OP)
Play Ring Racers. Drifting's usefulness and important varies wildly based on character and Sliptiding exists as an alternate option to drifting that can be better in a lot of situations.

>>712967621
Also, the speed loss from drifting is extreme enough that some statblocks actually prefer drifting as little as possible since they get way more speed elsewhere.

Driving straight doesn't require you to press buttons so it's boring.

I'm generally not fond of advanced techniques in kart racers, since they turn every race into a skill check and distract from the actual racing aspect. CTR'S boost mechanics are a good example, every race was determined by how well you could do this one thing, and people that couldn't had no hope of winning.

>>712967993
>since they turn every race into a skill check and distract from the actual racing aspect
This is maybe the most retarded post I've ever seen on /v/.
CTR isn't good, though, I agree. The items are so profoundly useless that the game is essentially Multiplayer Time Trial.

>>712954846 (OP)
Drifting is in the game because they need some mechanics to allow players to take turns in full or near full speed.

>>712955238
I tried the latest playtest after the dev delayed the game's release AGAIN.
It has glowing wheels like CTRNF so you don't have to always watch the drift meter, and you can delay the 1st and 2nd of the triple boosts with seemingly no penalty.
I don't know what's taking him so long, it felt virtually the same as the playtest I tried back in 2023.

>>712954846 (OP)
for me, the game is about getting a bunch of mushrooms and bullet bills, and going from last to 4th just before the finish line.

Agree with OP completely.
the OG MK on SNES, as primitive as it is, actually had more realistic driving physics than any of the newer ones. Once you hit a certain speed you actually get oversteer when cornering without even needing to touch the R buttons.. It was actually challenging and satisfying to master. The different types of bumps or terrain scattered across the track also greatly effect the karts grip and handling.

Any of the newer MKs have become more and more of a mario party with each release.
Where players are at a disadvantage if they don't drift every slight bend in the road, or mash the trick button on every tiny bump.

I've got a hacked MK8 where I edited the stats and item tables to completely remove the mini turbos and increase the differences between accel/speed and weight stats, and also greatly reduce the chaotic items..

Honestly it's a breath of fresh air just being able to focus on the road and drive how you want.

>>712954846 (OP)
this is not an unpopular opinion
arcade racing games are almost dead
sim racing games replaced them

>>712968467
Then you'd love the new Mario Kart game. It's a sandbagger's paradise with the straight line segments. Nearly impossible to get an actual lead. Even when online with other's you can sandbag from 24th to top 5 in the final stretch.

>>712954846 (OP)
With zero knowledge of racing (and racing games in general, since I don't even play marika) I would change drifting to become a passive thing from an active mechanic. The way it would work would be:
>Every track has perfect lines across every turn
>Following these lines above a specific speed boosts your speed more and more the closer to perfect you get to following them
>Following behind someone's slipstream will increase your acceleration and eventually give you a boost too

>>712966620
The only time it was done right in Mario Kart was 64.

>>712954846 (OP)
A racing game without drifting is like a hack and slash game without parrying. it's a real life mechanic used in its real life equivalent.

>>712968701
nigga you just reinvented nfs prostreet and nfs the run

>>712969173
I assume this is a good thing so you're welcome.

>>712954846 (OP)
Drifting is a good because it's committal. If you don't start your turn at the right place or time you lose a lot of speed and if you bail on it you lose even more. It makes the difference between shitters and good players more obvious.

>>712968531
Arcade racing games are dying because the audience are stupid and don’t know what they want

>>712967993
>they turn every race into a skill check and distract from the actual racing aspect.
You have to be good at the game to win?

>>712954846 (OP)
Play games where drifting slows you down but is a necessary "evil" to navigate the course

>>712954913
your dumb nigger thats either bad at the games or just hates fun

>>712954846 (OP)
>>712968520
Go play simulators instead of arcade racing games. Are you retarded?

>>712974256
I was impressed until I realized this is that furfag game

>>712974256
drifting in PTB is only slow compared to regular boosts, and slower than normal driving if you're doing lvl2's for score multiplier. spamming out lvl 1's is way faster than just driving normally.

>>712968616
Aren't straight lines bad for sandbagging because you need shortcuts to make a comeback

>>712955181
I was 3 of those accounts. FC is mine

>>712974667
I haven't seen a single troonimal in that game

>>712974667
>mob face robots
>furry game

>Game is all about optimizing ~speed~ and managing heat and boost while taking perfect lines

>>712954846 (OP)
How is drifting not turning?

>>712975658
I haven't gone back to it but in my memory it's basically a perfect racing game.

>game has drifting
>game balance become about autisticly memorizing tracks and having a 90% and abve drift uptime

Maybe we shouldn't have bullied tourneyfags and tryhards back then. They were obnoxious, but much more tolerable than the movie game enthusiasts parasiting this board right now. People who want games to play themselves. Or is it because of age? We should stop people aged over 30 from playing videogames or at least partaking in discussions about what makes good vidya. Most people in the 30-45 age bracket grew up watching jrpg cutscenes thinking they were the greatest games of all time. Just let that sink in for a moment.

Play a real racing game.

But the drifting mechanics allows me to achieve maximum speed.

>>712956213
Midnight Club making drifting a tactical choice that could cost you a race if used unnecessarily but also save it in a split second is peak racing game. Especially when you could take any route you wanted and beeline it down a couple of tricky shortcuts that weren't worth the risk otherwise and salvage a race after eating shit.

>>712975995
>the most casualized entry in the series

>>712954846 (OP)
I think that having to gold down a button to accelerate (which you will be doing 100% of the time) is stupid. Probably the only thing sakurai got right with Kirby Air Ride's stupid control scheme

why are people acting like drifting is hard in mario kart? the ONLY time it was hard was in mario kart DS with snaking
>>712976594
anon mario kart has had an auto accelerate button since the original wii u 8 version

>Drifts into your heart
They actually added clutch kick. This is all I ever wanted from my racist game.

>>712976139
Which Midnight club should I start with ?
Drifting through Paris looks cool but I guess LA has better gameplay ?

>>712955116
Use syncthing to sync your image folder to your phone.

>>712954846 (OP)
That's pretty dumb.

>>712954846 (OP)
Same but we should also get rid of turning because it ends up becoming one big turn fest and it doesn't even feel like racing at that point. Steering might need to be entirely removed actually.

I never liked the trick mechanic Mario Kart introduced. There's zero skill or depth or thought involved, it just amounts to tapping R or whatever after every jump for a free speed boost. I never feel anything any time I go through one of those segments in a track where they set up like 10 jumps in a row for you to trick off of, it's just a dumb mechanic.

>>712975959
>Or is it because of age?
Lookup gamerdad on reddit and you'll understand. "Games" like RDR2, The Witcher and nu GoW are built for these people. It seems that beyond indies, you're stuck with interactive SIMS playgrounds for manchildren, or shitty woke/coombait non-games created to advertise an agenda before being a fun game (Baldur Gate 3, Stellar Blade)

Yeah, that's exactly what turned me off from mario kart 8 when I emulated it to see what all the fuss is about. To be fair though, drifting to gain boost in kart games comes with the package, it's to be expected. These games are just not for me, I'm playing iracing.