Freedrones or Protectorate, you derailed pipeworkers.

>>712960878 (OP)
Free Drones. I can't fathom a reason to choose Protectorate unless you like being the bad guys and getting trash rewards for it.

Is Underrail heavy duy worth getting? Never done a heavy weapons guy, nor an energy weapons guy for that matter.

protectorate has cool mechs. gas the drones

>>712961159
>the bas guys
Absolute midwit

>>712961258
Look at this sorry ass zoner thinking he's all hardcore. I think you should shut your mouth or you will get dominated among these places, you hear me, bre?

>>712961258
LMG's are bigger fuller auto. ridiculous and strength based. They're ammo eaters but win fights fast. miniguns are okay i guess.

>>712961380
Zoners like you talk tough but grind pipes all day

>>712960878 (OP)
If you're a true patriot you join the Protectorate and give them the acorn.

>>712960878 (OP)
Protectorate if you go Guns. Free Drones if you go melee/glass canon. FD quests are more fun anyway

>>712961779
I heard you need stealth for Free Drones, is that true?

>>712961258
it's nothing like expedition. it's just a shotgun-level build niche option with a map

>>712962683
Unless I'm forgetting something all Free Drones quests are actually a lot of unga combat with a little bit of dialogue tree navigation

>>712961367
they literally are tho
they go straight to bioweapons and false-flag their own people

>>712961159
The gun oil you can buy from them is pretty useful.

Neither.

>>712960878 (OP)
If I'm going for stability, Protectorate.
If I'm going for survival of the fittest, Free Drones with me killing everyone in the cell myself before leaving for Northern Underrail

>>712962772
That’s nice. I’m currently doing a knife build but without investing in stealth

>>712960878 (OP)
>all these underrail threads
tell me there is a dlc or something being shilled

>>712963608
Last dlc was Heavy Duty and that came out last year. Underrail 2 is still in pre alpha

>>712962931
You kill all NPCs, even friendlies?

>>712964448
in the free drones

>>712964496
Nice

>>712960878 (OP)
I played this game for 140 hours before I quit in Expedition because I saw that my shotgun build was extremely subpar as I kept dying to Sørmibæren and pirates.

Nail Bombs are incredibly good. Free Drones have more interesting NPCs- although that's not saying much tbqh. Free Drones.

Abram must have helped them for a good reason. There are only 3 people you could absolutely trust in Underrail: Abram, Dude, and Ezra. They will both know AND do what's right.

Therefore, Free Drones

>>712961159
Freedrones awards aren't much better unless you are doing a stealth build. Going protectorate is almost mandatory if you are doing a tin can/grenadier build.

>>712961258
If you're really into build minmaxxing then yeah you'll like it. Don't go into it expecting expedition vibes though.

>>712965771
>Abram must have helped them for a good reason
he wants destabilization in the region as long as possible
he wants factions fighting against each other, possibly even ruining the entire area because that means then oculus gets off the hook
they have a spacemagic invisible forcefield but that won't protect them forever, it is in oculus' best interest to keep both factions busy with each other so anything that evens the playing field is good in his book

>>712965717
That's the hardest content in the game. Sørmibæren chieftan, what's his name, Magnar, is easily the hardest fight in the game. I've only had one build good enough to go up to Magnar on dominating difficulty.
It's so difficult you can essentially consider fighting any of that as entirely optional (to complete The Expedition honestly the hardest things you might face off against is a couple Strongmen and Naga Protectors.

I've only done one Shotgun build. I wasn't a huge fan of it. It felt VERY demanding, but I might have been too scrubby at the time. It probably won't cut it for dealing with Magnar without some extra special tricks.

>>712965883
>Going protectorate is almost mandatory if you are doing a tin can/grenadier build.
Is it? I always do grenadier but I kill the free drones every time because they threatened me the first time I ever encountered them.

>>712966089
Here comes the humiliating part, I was playing on normal difficulty. Then again, it is my first run so I definitely could have done some things better.

>>712966113
Eh I mean on the lower difficulties you can skip the protectorate QL without much added headache. It helps to have their extra vendor that does the currency exchange and has a lot of the componets for explosives. Gun oil as a previous anon mentioned is very helpful for smg/AR builds.

I'm currently playing two different dominating builds side-by-side in alternating fashion.
It's been fun.

I think I'm going Free Drones on them both tho.

>>712966301
That stuff is legitimately difficult even on Normal Difficulty. My first two playthroughs were on Normal and I wasn't skilled enough to handle most of the Expedition content.

>>712966319
I guess I will keeping killing them forever then, shouldn't have tried to act tough. The gassing never happened, but they deserved it.

>>712966398
Makes me feel a bit better at least, I should pick it up again and at least finish the main story.
Hopefully I can get to a point one day where I feel Dominating is doable.

>>712967382
when you do, remember that psionics (including all the beetles) and coil spiders are OP bullshit and will always be the difficulty spike

DEATHSTALKER SHITS GOT ME FIREBOMBING ENTIRE CAVES

I gotta make my own Underrail game except with party members and more gore and sex.

>>712967774
Underrail lacks good dialogue writing and complex quest structure. While the world building is excellent and the plots do pop off in a few place but overall it's not great writing. Graphically, the game is ass, and most of the soundtrack is mediocre (with a few standouts particularily with the The Expedition DLC). Underrails strength is entirely in the RPG side. It constantly challenges the player to engage with RPG mechanics- strategize, prepare, approach, adapt- and rides that line of impossible becoming possible constantly.
There's a hundred dominating viable builds without having everything coalesce into the same power pools, which is incredible.

If anyone else can take that last part and add it to some actual quality graphics, dialogue writing, gore and sex they should succeed big.

>>712967639
If you see Red Dream mushrooms, spam Flares. Simple as.

>>712968220
Spam napalm*

>>712968157
I hope Styg adds some more of that in Underrail 2. I’m not expecting a novel, but persuasion not being wholly useless would be kinda nice. I want more flavor dialogue too.

>>712961159
>multiple vendors
>questline gives great rewards for chem weapon builds
>gun oil which is one of the best items in the game for any gun based build
>cool base with good aesthetics
vs
>1 vendor
>unique item is a shittier grenade that's useless against the primary enemy you want grenades for (robots)
>base is a dump
aside from finding out who the rat is, which is pretty difficult to do blind, there's no reason to pick free drones over protectorate. If the free drones was more fleshed out with multiple small bases around south underrail and more npcs/quests it would maybe be worth it but otherwise they suck.

>>712968414
I have zero faith in that. When Underrail got "dialogue improvements" it actually went very poorly. The "improved" dialogue is very gay-coded and is fixated on a specific style of player voice vs. NPC voice. The Expedition style throat-choke moments all the way down, really. It doesn't even hold a candle to FO1/2 or Planescape Torment etc.

>>712961258
the only energy weapons you get from the dlc are the energy cannon at the end of the dlc dungeon, which you'll get to use for maybe 5 screens before the dlc is completed, and gunslingers weapons which you also get at the end of the dlc, otherwise you have to kill him for it and hack the high level lock to use it. the main thing you get out of the dlc is heavy weapons which are really fucking fun. A good grenade launcher build is easy mode against everything that isn't the heavy duty dlc and a good lmg build is easy mode against everything once you get started. High armor lmg tank builds let you clear waves of enemies like nothing else, it feels awesome. I reccomend the dlc just for the heavy weapons build

>>712968414
You'll take your autistically realistic hacking and lockpicking minigames and you'll hate them. Styg doesn't make logical game improvements, he does whatever his autism compels him to do.

>>712968901
Sadly, but its something to aspire to. On the other end, Underrails great variety of builds teases me to try different things compared to say Planescape Torment where Charismatic intelligence mage is always the go to.

>>712969316
Serbian misery

>>712969109
Nice, I’ll pick it up when it goes on sale next time. What’s a good way to build for heavy weapons in the early game? I reckon it swallows your economy?

>Depot A deathstalker spawned too close to the entrance again

>>712969762
If you aren't playing on dominating, it's not as bad as you might think. Heavy weapons share something like 60% weapons skill with normal guns so you just use whatever pistols you pick up until you can find a decent lmg/minigun. Grenades for a grenade launcher area different story, those are pretty expensive so you'll need to play a bit more conservatively in the early game but once you can craft ammo, it gets a lot easier mid game. Heavy weapons builds are obviously loud and hit a wide area so even with the lmg, you don't really need grenades or molotovs as much to deal with crowds, traps are also pretty unnecessary.

>>712970132
3 Con, 3 Per build detected

>do a sniper build
>it's the most ratfest savescum shit build imaginable only next to the crossbow-trap build
>still have fun dropping people like flies per bullet and repositioning around the map
What a fucken good game.

How the fuck is this game made by like two guys

>>712970570
They ripped everything off from Altered Carbon to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and that's a good thing.

>>712970495
with the right crossbow parts, the quiver, and some helpful feats you can get 5-6 shots off with a crossbow every round. it's not nearly as savescum dependent as a sniper rifle, and the accuracy drop off at closer ranges isn't as bad.

>>712970570
Also the entire story is just Anonymous vs. Scientology

>>712970735
Yeah but I wanted to play as plinking tunnel rat

>>712970229
Awesome, thank you, good to know

>>712970824
That’s fallout 2

>>712971041
Yeah (((they))) certainly did hate them back then too, but "faceless" vs tchortists, come on now.

>>712960878 (OP)
Give me some fun lore justification for a knife or sword build in Underrail. Gameplay is one thing, but I kinda want something thematic. Who picks up a knife in a gun world? Trying to avoid the standard psychopathy/serial killer thing.

this my everything but the kitchen sink and a normal weapon/armor Dominating build

>>712971192
Tim Cain nor Brian Fargo are Jewish though

>>712971374
bullets are expensive- means you can afford less food. why shoot away your meals when a knife provides forever

The Protectoratechad does war crimes and doesn't apologize for anything

>>712971374
one word: energy shields

>>712971475
They are both gay so close enough

>>712971486
>>712971762
At last, I see…..

Knives are also very quiet compared to shooting a gun.
Knife a dude in the throat he's quiet forever. Shoot a guy in the face then somebody nearby probably heard you.

>>712970495
I can't imagine a sniper build without a backup sidearm would be good.
like feats specialize, sure, but there's only 3ish weapon skills (heavy guns kinda DLCish 4th). There's a lot of flexibility from that, especially with guns

>>712970495
And I thought shotguns were bad….

>>712971374
bullets are loud
stabbing someone is not

What's the worst weapon type in the game? It's gotta be spears, right? Like an entire feat investment tree just to be behind Swords which is well far behind Sledgehammer, Fist, or Knife

>>712972289
guns

>>712968896
nail bombs are for taste for blood

>>712972289
spears have amazing feats and all the weaknesses of spears are covered by grenades on a character that has max throwing

>>712972257
*screams*

>>712972456
>spears build is stron gbecause grenades
uhhhhh whos gonna tell him grenades are good on anybody

the sign of a real good build is the ones that don't even have to touch traps/grenades

>>712972593
What build would that be?

>>712971921
Sniper with something with low AP SMG/pistol is the "standard build" that most net builds recommend but I, being a roleplayfag went for the "heavy" sniper rifle and the "light" sniper rifle. The former you only get to use on the jump or in cases where I can reload and shoot it, and the latter is my main weapon during the fight.

>>712972679
Metathermics, Psychokinesis, dex SMG just to name a couple

>>712972679
Anything with PSI

>>712972763
But grenades would just help all of those so you might as well use grenades too

>>712972679
It's not hard to do a build that ignores traps.
Ignoring grenades is harder just because what else are you going to use your belt slots for? The list of utilities that aren't throwables is way too short.

>>712972593
>yeah I have high dex and max throwing but I don't use grenades
>yeah I have 10 agi but I don't use sprint or blitz
>yeah I have 10 str but I don't use metal armor
>yeah I have 10 con but I don't take thick skull
>REAL builds don't use items or skills

>>712972792
There's no reason not to just use grenades with psi

>>712972801
The game softly forces you to use grenades because of belt slots and really having no requirement to use them.

>>712972801
>>712972843
no unironically stuff like psychokinesis is so stacked even putting points into throwing so your grenade could be reliable/15 AP on a throw is a complete waste of your time

>he had to look up online for builds
This is really the only wrong way to play. Everything else is fair game. Discovering through playing that PSI was the easy mode made me not want to touch it.

>>712972808
Taser and Cloaking device on a good 2 slot like the Lifting Belt. Unironically

>>712972924
How so?

>>712972924
most builds don't need the damaging grenades by midgame but flashbangs are just too good to not have

>he throws his grenades

>>712973265
The hell kind of portrait is that

i dunno about cloaking device but having a good taser is handy sometimes. some fuckers really deserve a good tazing

I do wish that shooting someone with a fuckhueg bullet rips them apart and blows them away rather just crumbling like a crouton like getting shot with anything does. Something like pic but I figure that's asking too much for a game such as this.

>>712960878 (OP)
Neither, South Underrail belongs to the SGS.

I usually go protectorate because I prefer their shops.

>>712966301
>>712966089
I did a shotgun build recently on hard and it wasn't so bad, I was able to kill the final boss in 3 shots.

Fuck you fags are making me want to play again.

>>712974298
it's fun.

>>712974298
I wanted to try the fusion cannon but it's just an lmg build with high int
I wonder how good it is without heavy metal

I want to do a Mr. Freeze build. I wonder if it'll be any good

I really wanted my Underrail 1 MC to be the MC in game 2...

>>712974778
>low damage
>robots are immune
>even the cold pistol is split damage
>the shatter feat doesn't work with freeze from pistols
electric damage doesn't break the freeze so I would recommend playing around that
cryo pistol+electroshock pistol meme build

>>712960878 (OP)
Protctorate free drones are full of anarchist trannies from what I can tell

So many builds I want to play but so little time

>>712969109
Does the nade launcher make regular nades obsolete? Combining regular nades with traps and acid guns was one of my personal favourites

>>712973265
>terrorist build
Teach me your ways, please

>>712975637
it's not very good and you spend way too much time buying rdx
but I did laugh like an idiot every time I cleared a big group by pushing the button

>>712960878 (OP)
With protectorate you get the chem suit as a reward

>>712975145
We're going to Dis. No room for uncivilized Southerners up North.

>>712975145
styg wanted to make infusion before making a sequel to focus on the new engine
2 in 10-15 years (or never)

>>712975698
Aaah shame, but it does sound fun

>>712975546
No, its a whole different beast

>>712975854
it's basically a bad metathermics build that's much tankier and has more burst at the cost of a lot of money but does much less damage 70% of the time

>>712966089
What was your build for magnar? For me it was chem pistols, traps and grenades. Once you get him into the second phase he is much more manageable as he usually is alone by then

What's the point of sniper rifles having 20 max range if your vision field is less than the one of crossbows(15)?
Why shield capacitor components have a quality range despite all of them giving the same effect on shields?
Were chemical pistol supposed to have more variety by having a second option for the dispenser component?
Also:
>"The grisly fate of Free Drones haunted your nightmares until the day you died"
Boo hoo... funniest part in the base game for me.

>>712969316
Him getting mad at players using cheat engine to modify their saves will never stop being funny. Like what kind of tard obsesses over balance in a completely single player game

>>712971374
Quiet kills for stealth carving through enemy holdouts. Also, to mot attract the attention of things like creepy crawlers on ceilings

>>712970495
snipers used to be a lot less ratfest when you could get a couple of sniper's AP cost low enough you could fire multiple times per round
but then that got nerfed

>>712976263
It destroys your game experience. Like cutting up your already tailored suit.

>>712976263
Styg is a man of balance, like the legend himself

Low noise kills is the big reason why I don't like touching grenades. Telekinetic Punch stun, Force Emission takedown, and it's whisper quiet instead of the whole map running at you.

>>712975842
>>712975145
How would a sequel even work? It would be annoying having to 'rebuild' your character with the new engine starting from level 1 again fighting to the death with common rathounds when story wise you're a hardened zoner who took down organized gangs, giant abominations, and wild savages. It should probably be a new MC with the canon ending being that the first game's MC stayed in South Underrail not wanting to get involved with the ayy lmaos anymore and doesn't want Vera handing over all of South Underrail to the Protectorate since she's an undercover rat of theirs.

my favorite area of the game lorewise

>>712976470
Lol. What affects the personal game experience is up to the player, not some micro manager. Its great being able to make corrections on the fly instead of doing shit like grinding through the same intro quests again and again

Is a grug oddity run with no noncombat skills (and no stealth in case you think it counts as combat) doable?

>>712977652
Isn't that the normal way to play? Just fucking fighting everything?

>>712977209
train crash and brain damage sets you to level 1

>>712960878 (OP)
Oculus, ignore others]

>>712960878 (OP)
Is it worth doing intimidation checks to pass fights? I should fight at every opportunity, right?

>>712977387
What's going on here?

>>712978514
there aren't that many checks and skipping fights is fine

Game needs more art. Styg should commission artists for environmental pieces and shit. The universe has great appeal.

>>712978801
Was wondering because I just reached Junkyard at level 6 and this Vince guy wants me to pay money, but I could spook him by talking shit instead of fighting.

>>712978689
an optional dungeon that isn't worth doing, especially since the boss is a dominating exclusive boss.

>>712978915
>dominating exclusive boss
Well, at least that leaves room for a future playthrough....

>>712960878 (OP)
This game really isn't as good as /v/ makes it out to be. It isn't even any better than CRPGs from the 90s.

>>712960878 (OP)
Is this game's universe like Sunless Sea? It seems to take place primarily underground in these vast caverns filled with oceans and stuff, strange subterranean creatures and cultures.

>>712978689
The utility tower. An optional area
The utility tower is as it sounds, a sort of utility tunnel in the metro
also
It's the highest up you can go in the game. As you climb it gets colder and colder until it starts to even kill you from the cold. As you near the top there is a ton of wind and snow (something that cannot occur underground)
there's also another level and a secret boss that can spawn here on dominating difficulty

>>712977209
Just make the enemies stronger.

>>712979047
yes the game is underground
presumably the aliens and leviathans had a war and our sun was either destroyed or our planet was straight up moved to an unsuitable climate from the blast

>>712960878 (OP)
Neither. They are faggots and niggers respectively.

>>712978987
Alright, so what do you not like?

>>712979286
Reminds me of Arx Fatalis in a way. I’m a sucker for forced relocation subterranean settings, of which three whole games exist.

>>712979531
The fact that there's basically nothing going on outside combat, endless backtracking, I'm not even a graffixfag but it's like this guy didn't even try, Fallout looks better and that game's nearly 30 years old.

>>712979752
Underrail 2 looks better in that regards, though it is still pre alpha. As for the combat, I personally enjoy it, but I wish it had more Fallout 1 moments

>>712978987
No game today is better than a 90s crpg

I thought HD was gonna be another Expedition. I was sorely disappointed.

>>712977387
>realized why it was such cold up there
Highlight of the game for me. Right up there with the Abyssal Station in terms of atmosphere.

>>712981621
Styg advertised it as a trial, he was either discussing scrapping it or it just serving as a testing bed for heavy weapons in Underrail 2. It was never meant to be anything big.

>>712982101
>people to this day will still say its the surface rather than the spiritual element of cold enhancing the already existing machinery of cryothermics meant to try and cool off the Underrail
>even when its called Hel by the computers
Dammit Phryg, you should have been more blatant about this shit.

>>712982101
illuminated portrait, brother, verily may I beseech thee to share it?

>>712982313
It's the surface.

>>712982313
explain the snow and wind if it's not the surface

>>712982506
explain the stalactite in the screenshot

>>712982753
what kind of faggot answers a question with another question
guess you're wrong

>>712982368
Do thou wish to sculpt it and add illustrations thyself or get mine replica?

>>712982495
>>712982506
The Surface is an unreachable location for which we are not even remotely adapted or able to be adapted for in any realistic way. If we try and even remotely take anything from the Hells Gut at face value, or the visions we are able to get, or the fact that the Surface was quickly becoming less inhabitable hence the creation of the Underrail and the T6 uniting 5 of themselves for the Pasithee project in the Compound, the threat has a multi function spiritual corruption and also likely physical like effect on the world. It is uninhabitable in the same way a cursed radioactive haunted house is.

This is merely the Hel Tower. Its a purpose built cooling apparatus spanning many floors meant to connect the upper Underrail with the cave systems above with heat exchange pipes in order to achieve thermal equilibrium so the Underrail doesn't cook itself alive. There's no Surface, there's no Surface oddities, there's no Surface tech, there's no Surface anything, what we get is a mildly more spacious upper area and then the psionic spiritual manifestations of cold.

You don't have infinite snake spirits spawning, you don't have flaying winds, you don't have anything. You have a multi story HVAC building from a society that has plasma guns and its so cold its attracted even spirits of cold and psionic projections of them. Surface theory retards are dead wrong and have always been wrong.

>>712982852
Thine replica is preferred, thanks be upon thee.

>>712982958

>>712982909
The Utility Tower is not just cold; it's ridiculously, heinously cold. It's cold enough to kill you in literal seconds. That is well beyond what you'd find even underground.

There is wind and snow. Sustained wind is not something that happens underground. Snow is not something that happens underground. The wind you hear at the top of the Utility Tower is steady, forceful and gusty, carries snow with it, and is cold enough - again - to instantly kill people.

The Oculus has absolutely no dialogue even mentioning the Surface. It is not something they care about. The Tchortists explicitly stated goal, the entire reason they're bothering with Tchort at all, is to evolve Humanity to a point where we can reclaim the surface, but - again - they do not actively discuss it at all with you. The closest they get is Eiden teaching you what trees were if you bring him the ACoNR.

>>712982909
The Utility Tunnel is once of the entrances to the underrail. It has a massive staircase with a central elevator and connects directly to the upper underail.

>>712983050
>The Utility Tower is not just cold; it's ridiculously, heinously cold. It's cold enough to kill you in literal seconds. That is well beyond what you'd find even underground.
Yes. It's the product of a multi story HVAC made by people who also made the underrail and have plasma and laser guns, and energy shields and more. You seem to not understand that we're in the grime of a hypertech society that's collapsed, the Lemuria War had custom made mutagenic shells and island wide energy shields.


>There is wind and snow. Sustained wind is not something that happens underground. Snow is not something that happens underground. The wind you hear at the top of the Utility Tower is steady, forceful and gusty, carries snow with it, and is cold enough - again - to instantly kill people.
Do you not know basic thermodynamics? Wind inherently happens with temperature shifts or in large enough locations like the Hells Gut, especially with the constant purposeful push and pull of thermal difference of air, and caverns are big. They naturally built the HVAC where there's space and air, if you made an entire mega tech air conditioning unit, no shit ice and snow will form when you're doing masterful thermodynamicity shit.

>The Oculus has absolutely no dialogue even mentioning the Surface. It is not something they care about. The Tchortists explicitly stated goal, the entire reason they're bothering with Tchort at all, is to evolve Humanity to a point where we can reclaim the surface, but - again - they do not actively discuss it at all with you. The closest they get is Eiden teaching you what trees were if you bring him the ACoNR.
It's not tactically significant in politics, its a HVAC unit. A now haunted HVAC unit, but one all the same.
>>712983170
No.

>>712983001
Lovely!

>>712983315
you want to be right so bad you're literally denying the facts in front of you

>>712983583
>It's the Surface!
>Nevermind that there's no indication of it
>Nevermind there's no oddities about it
>Nevermind there's no anything about it at all
>Ignore the stalactites on the clear roof
>Ignore basic thermodynamics for snow and heat and the technology related to it
>Ignore the Tchortists not giving a fuck or the Occulus
>Ignore the psionic projections and haunting, they don't matter
>Ignore the fact there's literally nothing of worth there
>Ignore the fact there's no actual anything really besides frozen robots bugs and shit loot
>It's totally meant to be an internal cooling tower that you need to manually go up to go up and down from the Surface to the Underrail
>No it doesn't matter it doesn't have a single Void related thing in there and the only paranormal factor is an Ice Archon, its the Surface!
>The fuck you mean the Surface has way more life ending worse bullshit? It's the Surface, trust me bro

May your beer be warm. May your woman slip you a roofie and take out your balls. May Styg curse your savefiles personally with 45% max chance to hit. May you never ever find the gear you want. May Infusion mean nothing to you whatsoever.

>>712984038
I'm not reading all that schizoposting
good luck with that, or sorry that happened to you

Utility tower is presumably not the surface just because reaching the surface would be a monumental event and not something you randomly do in side content that isn't relevant to anything. It'd be like if you met the third godman and he was just a generic NPC that said hi and had no other dialogue. The surface is too important to just be the background to a bad boss fight.

The surface was Armageddon'd by the global megacorporations going to war on each other. luckily they had dug vaults to practice terraforming the inner crust of the earth before they began terraforming the solar system, so the Underrail escaped total human death.

>>712984358
It is fucking massive even on the minimap. How far you actually go up can't really be determined

Protectorate. Don't gas them, kill them all then release the gas. You don't need that on your conscience.

Also, just because it's probably on your mind, you can't kill the chemical assault unit (Mareth n co) without becoming hostile to the whole faction. It's your choice.

>>712984756
>Don't gas them, kill them all then release the gas.
You haven't been able to do that for years.

>>712984358
The utility tower goes up to like a mile below surface. It's been a while but the text states something like you're in a cavern but you can hear the wind roaring with no light. The purpose of the tower is to exchange air, it's a vent, not a trip to the surface.

>>712984790
It's been like 2 years since my play through but I was able to kill them all and then gas them. It has absolutely no bearing on the ending screen, it says you were still a naughty boy haunted by what you did with the mutagen but it sure made me feel better.

>>712961159
>hurrdurr muh freedom to die of dysentery and being assraped by cannibal bandits vs safety and order le bad or whatever
wow why would anyone pick the protectorate

>>712984868
It got changed so if you try to use the ladder then Mareth tells you to use the bomb already. You have to gas them.

>>712985119
I would still use the ladder and kill all the muties. You can't do that to people man.

>>712984885
>sabotage Protectorate with the Drones
>kill all drones after that
>club Vera with a crowbar on the back of the head
South Gate Station will reign supreme

>>712969109
psst, i shouldn't tell you this but you can walk back with gunslinger without doing any of the dlc and get his gun

>>712985659
Do you have to kill him?

Hope Styg dont take 10 autistic years to release infusion

>Took another break from the game just before having to delve deeper
Third time was the charm and my guy is the best one so far. Still I dread having to go and actually beat the game for once.
The thread makes me want to give it another go. Why is it so terrible down there?

>>712986024
>Why is it so terrible down there
You will find out when you enter the compound or the mushroom forest.

>>712986089
I've been there on my previous guy without finishing. Turned I couldn't actually buy shotgun shells from the guy. So I was kind of fucked.
I know mostly what's to come from that.

>>712985935
no lad he just gives it to you

>>712986491
damn, what a chad

>shoot mob with a sniper rifle
>doesn't go down in one hit
>reload
>again doesn't
>realize my sniper rifle finally got outstatted
>have to fight every encounter on the backfoot now rather than one-shot-one-killing everything
This run's fucked.

>>712986024
Don't go down without packing yourself like a mule full of health, ammo, drugs, explosives etc.

Also, just cheat the drug code fuck that gay puzzle, get some stealth gear so you can just TNT tchorts tentacles and weaken him further before the fight. I actually didn't mind that shit hole on dominating but some cheese was required.

>>712986841
you can get gun oil that will add +10% damage for 50 shots from protectorate base and some other places

might be enough to crutch you through but honestly get a better gun

>>712985993
lol

>>712985993
>do ultraman 400hr playthru on dominating completing absolutely everything you can do bar entering occulus because fuck those fags
>look forward to using my dude in the new DLC
>ayo its not a dlc anymore see u in 2 decades

>>712987146
Cool to see the improved features and the new areas.

>>712979286
I imagined the fucking aliens building a dyson sphere around our sun, or there being some sort of psychic otherworldly phenomenon fucking the surface completely.

>>712987296
yeah but he wont let mel gibson import we will have to rebuild him

>>712987635
When is the alien plot revealed....? I have never completed the game.

>>712989010
Find the Oculus for one thing

I remember playing this game before the magic nerf and it was the most fun I ever had with any RPG
I played a grenade throwing wizard and it was fun as fuck imagining my guy chugging down mushroom juice and throwing thermite grenades in between bolts of lightning.

>>712989010
Game end, and more information in the expedition end where you get an item that you can show to the weirdo in the cube and get more context.

>>712989181
Is that the one with the exclusive Dominating boss?

>>712989010
>I have never completed the game.
IIRC you don't really learn this until the deep caverns
even the dlc only makes a vague reference

The Oculus exists on any difficulty level, it's just you had to do a questline to be invited to it or else it's invisible to you

>>712989487
That's the secret location with all the lore you get from a quest line that I think you can miss. It begins with a guy in the cafeteria of South Gate Station

>>712960878 (OP)
are there mods that make more paths viable?
always seemed like there are 3-4 meta builds you absolutely must follow or you fall off at some point.

like there is no feasible way you could survive as a charming smooth-talker that knows only traps or grenades

>>712989934
The game is centered around combat so it's not an RPG in the modern sense where it pertains much to dialogue, it's one in the classic sense where you have great build variety and a variety of faction quests you can choose from.

>>712986873
Last thing I remember is stocking up on just that. Already playing ninja stealth knife man though. So that part should be covered.

>>712960878 (OP)
>put 70 hours into this game two months ago
>randomly stopped playing and never felt like returning
Never had this happen before with a game. I guess i burned out on it?

>>712991468
Just come back and try again next year

>>712991468
I had 2 pauses in my multi hundred hour playthrough. I'm just like that. I get burnt out sometimes after playing something non stop and come back to it later.

STYG YOU FUCKING PIECE OF ALBANIAN SHIT NIGGER

>>712989934
You completely and utterly can do that. You will just have to get creative and do a lot of crafting. Gas grenades are your most important tool as they increase the damage everything else does.

>>712960878 (OP)
Protectorate, every time. Free Drones are a blight.

>>712972679
The only traps you need is caltrops and it doesn't have a traps check but a throwing check. Start the enemies walk path with cave ear caltrops then throw down burrower caltrops. Keep a molly on standby and hose down the area with smgs, or psi. If playing melee anything that comes out the otherside is not going to be able to come close to killing you.

>play game for 600-800 hours
>not sure becuase of pirated copy
>countless different characters
>never do deep caverns
Good game

>>712989591
Not only questline, it needs a specific, easily missed outcome in the forge

>>712993201
your playtime is saved on your character savefiles, just add those up

>>712993201
>never do deep caverns
Why not? Deep caverns is great, I don't get the hate.

>>712993605
Southern pipe worker role players can't handle the shift to survival RPG. I fucking love deep caverns.

>>712993832
Same, every underrail thread for like 10 years has been crying about deep caverns, how can you get there but not kill shit? You must have done everything single thing wrong in the main game but somehow still scraped by to get down there.

>>712994064
probably a combination issue
1. didn't go prepared
2. shit build
3. playing on a hard difficulty but not getting leos knife to delay the eye of tchort effect

to be honest if you like to play really slowly i can see why having a map tile timer that starts to spawn rape enemies (and you can get memed by the psi one quite easily) would piss you off as it's stopping you looking around. still, get good. it's great content.

I feel like doing another playthrough, how's a gunslinger pistol Kino build for hard?

>>712961159
FPBP
Cans get the rope.

>>712970132
Happened when i started my first Dominating run earlier this year. Good thing i'm a fucking genius.

>>712970132
just stand in a corner and put traps down

>>712995850
Seeing freefags get melted is one of the greatest joys in life.

>>712996380
If you can do that you can just place the explosive and leave. It can see you and start combat within 2 seconds.

>>712993201
>1 040 hours played
>Played through the game once back in 2016
>Nowadays just do different builds and always end up restarting around the time i kill the beast
I don't even remember what the plot of the last underground area was

>>712996854
Also i haven't been to either of the DLC areas yet

>>712996641
yeah but it can stun you for a couple of turns so really it just becomes a question of how do i catch the little nigger while he's invisible and it's either blow up the floor, put a trap down, throw a flare or some other act of violence with area of effect. trapping them keeps them stuck for the following 2 turns or w.e so you gently place your shotgun in its mouth before it nigs away again

>>712994064
Deep Caverns are more annoying than fun thanks to the persistent Eye of Tchort effect and how slow the game is in general. It's only tolerable with max speed + cheat engine speedhack.

>>712996854
>>712996953
bro the expedition dlc is the best part of the game and you haven't even played it after 1000hrs

>>712997035
I played through it multiple times without any malware and it was fun, I still don't get it.

>>712996984
The point is if it's camping then you don't have time to put down a trap.

>>712997149
riding around on the waterscooter trying to find the fucking fisherman is some of the most tedious, gay homo shit I've suffered through in gaming. all the sea barbarians are boring to fight too, there's a billion of them, they have shit-tons of HP, and they don't drop anything cool

>>712997171
I am saying that it's annoying, not difficult. It's indeed not too hard to make a build that survives the Caverns, especially if you use your head, but having to wait until the enemies finish their turns so I can one shot them and then suffer 9 gorillion more interruptions is just shit.

I'm so pissed off that the Arena Masters and the Full Utility Tower are locked behind the autistic difficulty setting. Do you guys have a build I could tackle Dominating with? I usually play on Hard and imo it's great early game, but it does fall apart late game once I have my full build going, but Dominating early is a complete rapefest to me.

>>712997315
Yeah, waterscooter travel is easily the weakest part. It takes too long and the fights you get in water are pretty underwhelming, though you can get a scooter with a massive cannon mounted on it. It's awesome.

>>712997035
first of all bro:
you can neuter the eye of tchort effect via a minor quest https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Echoing_Soliloquy

2nd of all, unless you played it on dominating i honestly have no sympathy for shitter whining. At 20 ticks of eye of tchort, the rape starts. On easy, you get 1 tick every 5 seconds, 1 on normal, 2-3 on hard, 3-5 on dominating. On easy and normal that means 100 seconds pass before tchortling rape. On dom, it can be as low as 20 seconds from map entry making map exploration without combat essentially impossible.

>>712997441
>I'm so pissed off that the Arena Masters and the Full Utility Tower are locked behind the autistic difficulty setting.
go to nexus, there's a mod that lets you force whatever secret dominating boss fight you want, and on a different difficulty too
>I have my full build going, but Dominating early is a complete rapefest to me.
play a spear chucker

>>712997441
dominating isn't that hard after you clear junkyard
it's seriously bullshit early and you have to suffer through it

>>712997315
I don't see it like that. You're on a timer before your base is overrun by the natives while you essentially try to crack the secrets of the black sea. Having faggy conversations with the ferryman is kind of secondary to exiling literal corporeal space snake demons and shutting off "the danger" buried here.

CHEM
PISTOLS

>>712997441
The difficulty peaks at the psibeetle warehouse. After that it's easy as long as you play smart.
>t. first time doing dominating. Just finished fighting the beast and haven't died a single time yet.

>>712997728

>>712997794
I did the beast quest at like level 4 on dom. This is how I did it as a shotgun player with a fortification maze of traps (combined with net throwing) and an easy bake oven. I refused any real form of grind on the playthrough, the game gives you so many options that a lot of "soft locks" can be broken.

>>712998117
sir
your gas grenades

>>712997035
CE speedhack makes the game immensely more enjoyable. That's for sure.

>>712960878 (OP)
what nortubel clone is this?

>>712993605
The same reason Heavy Duty is lame. It's just 1 giant dungeon that locks you in, in an otherwise sandbox style game. Everything else + Expedition is peak adventure game.

>>712998231
Think I already gassed them / or didn't have any at time. You can't have fire and gas at the same time. Bladenigs are incredibly heat resistant too but just turn up the heat you know? The picture does look quite insane but I had quite a few retries at this because Dan or whatever his name is kept dying.

>>712998515
>It's just 1 giant dungeon that locks you in
That's what makes it so good

>>712998665
Honestly I think it's just a skill issue. The real reason heavy duty sucks is because the good ending is locked behind an incredibly high specific single psi skill stat check (even worse on dom) and if you kill any of the guards constantly killing you (so you do want stealth too..) you also fail the good ending. You also have absolutely no way of knowing of this requirement until you get to the end.

T. played that entire fucking thing twice back to back because fuck you styg i want to defeat the demons

>>712960878 (OP)
I have played this game for over 600 hours and never even finished it once.
I just reroll every time before deep caverns, I can't help it.

>>712998884
The check isn't actually that bad. I've done it multiple times with 25 effective TC and I don't think that's excessive.
Does take a lot of retries with it that low though.

>>712998231
there isn't much in life that isn't solved by gas

>>712999626
I replayed it probably about 100 times on Dom testing out all the various methods and choices you can make without TC and it's unbeatable. Nice to know your chances slightly increase with it as a low stat, but there's no reason to even have the stat unless you are a psi player anyway. I went straight to cheat engine + 100 tc and suddenly it's really easy. It's just another case of styg being a faggot just like the monolith checks and just like occulus.

>All this domposting
Why would anyone subject themselves to even more cock and ball torture than the normal game?

>>713000812
because you can make builds that hit for 10k damage and that would make the game seem rather trivial wouldn't it? dom is only cbt if you don't know what you're doing.

>>712980052
Seems like all the sovl got ripped out with the graphics upgrade.

>>712993605
If you genuinely go unprepared for deep caverns you might have to restart your whole game or maybe reload before your descent. I get the appeal but the Deep Caverns is Filter city.

>>713002110
>reload before your descent
It's been a while since I played but isn't that easy to do?

>>713002110
Also aren't there multiple elevators out of there?

>>712997441
You can do everything up to finishing Depot on Dominating by simply being a whore with Molotov, almost regardless of Build. It's more about knowledge than build.

That said- this is my favorite noob-friend Dominating build because it focuses on the tools that let you solve anything (throwing, traps) while having the room to grab 10 CON and Thick Skull. There's a lot of extra wiggle room with all that extra HP and never getting stunned out of a turn, and spamming traps and/or the right kind of high tier grenade->Limited Temporal Increment->grenade will be a two-turn solution to 99% of problems. The only downside is that you'll have a lot of visits to merchants, which is a small price to pay.

https://underrail.info/build/?HgMQAwoDBQYAAMKgAAAAAMKgTCIxNGxyZk1tAAAAIyEAVytjCCcwFi8mG0I-UVzDk17Cs1gabUDfvA

The order that you pick your feats aren't super important, and you could swap out almost any one of these feats. If you keep a catalogue of saves just before you level it'll really help in case you find could have made a more optimal choice to overcome whatever challenge you're doing at the moment.

It also helps to understand the purpose of Conditioning+Morphine here. through the use of Ancient Rathound Leather + Canned Meat + Lifting Belt etc. it all stacks additively(but not with armor) and your character reaches 85% damage resistance without the use of heavy, high quality armor. All this comes together with the ability to stealth around for scouting and traps, getting into trouble without having to fiddle with any restrictive gear swaps, shrugging off way more than 95% of other builds can do, all the while being an absolute plague with caltrops + nets + grenades + poisons + traps etc.

>>713002225
nta but I'm pretty sure the game makes a checkpoint save before the events that have you go

>>712980052
I really hate how things look in that screenshot, everything just blends together with no visual clarity to anything at all. sure hope that aesthetic isn't intended for the final product. gamedevs need to fucking stop sacrificing having a product that looks good on the altar of photorealism.

>>713002324
Thanks anon, I've never done a throwing knives build, although I guess this is more of a trapper, grenadier kind of build, right? I know grenades are OP early, when I played a chem pistols build I could craft mk.IV's before even leaving Depot A and that made the early game a breeze.

>>712979647
>of which three whole games exist.
What are the other two?

>>713003081
NTA but probably Ultima and Kings Field

>>713003202
*Ultima Underworld that is
Arx was supposed to be a sequel but due to license fuckery they made it its own thing

>>713002586
>trapper, grenadier kind of build, right?
trapper, grenadier first, throwing knives as a filler second. Throwing Knives damage actually scale with throwing unlike grenades, with Fatal Throw making them work really well as an execute, but they're just a filler tool with poisons on them before that. As soon as you try Throwing Knives against some burrowers at the low/mid-levels you'll see that they just won't cut it.

The RNG has to be in your favor to find the blueprint, but its possible so if it happens I recommend just using Shock Shurikens in place of Throwing Knives for the early-midgame while Throwing Knife damage is still low and the Shock Shuriken damage is nice and relevant.

>>713002324
I always delay thick skull until level 10 or so.
Nothing stuns you early unless you stand next to a sentry bot.

>>712961258
It's just a cashgrab.

>>713003746
yeah, that's what I meant about the order not being that important. Delay Thick Skull and take Opportunist instead. It won't matter much: 25% more throwing knife damage on a rathound that's fleeing instead of not getting stunned by a telekinetic punch from a psi-beetle in what is probably a lost battle anyway. Both situations should really just been about throwing more molotov to begin with

>>712968157
>Underrails strength is entirely in the RPG side.
I think you mean something else, like combat instead of RPG. It's the RPG that's nearly nonexistant. The combat is pretty good though, almost like a traditional roguelike in some ways.

>>713004258
an action RPG might have "good combat." a turn-based RPG can't have "good combat", it has RPG mechanics that dictate battles. those RPG mechanics can be good.

>>713004159
I never really used incendiary grenades they seemed like a meme. Are they actually good?

>>712972289
spears and hammers are both down there, but at least you can throw the spears away. and even do good damage. swords are much better than either. gloves are probably the best melee overall.

>>713004696
>hammers bad
what?

>>713004639
>fuck up enemy pathing
>decent chance to cause fear
>will do more damage than other grenades if you can get things to sit in the fire
dealing with rathound and mutant packs early on without them is really rough
>>713004159
lack of stasis is also weird

>>713004696
fists are even stronger

>>713004696
Knives are the best melee weapons

>>712976203
>What's the point of sniper rifles having 20 max range if your vision field is less than the one of crossbows(15)?
so that the enemies can sniper you outside your vision
that and the rest are just parts of a good design.

>>712991782
This is what I do

>>713005174
lol no

>>713004639
does great fire damage
50% chance to put them on fire.
living targets on fire will panic and flee
sets an area on fire. moving through the fire will cause damage to be taken
so they flee through fire and take more damage
the fire area makes them try to run around sometimes, but won't stop them from going through smaller flames somewhat
then you throw another molotov, which will upgrade the size of the flames and now they WON'T run through the flames no matter what

so basically molotovs support throwing molotovs which support throwing molotovs

also the fire helps illuminate your foes which increases your precision when you shoot at them while waiting for your next chance to throw another molotov

and they're dirt cheap

>>713005709
>can get taste for blood stacks super fast to get the 50% damage bonus
>super cheap AP cost with maxed dex
>versitale thanks to the mods you can slap on
>can overcome damage resistances easily
>missing attacks is no big deal

Lol yes
The best part is you can use them on a fist build because they require zero knife exclusive feats to be good.

>>712997728

>>713006119
my pure warcrimes build was fucking crazy

>he plays oddity xp
fucking why
even Styg in all his hatefulness didn't have the will to stand behind that xp system

>>713000812
why would you want less combat in a game where combat is more or less the only good part.

>>713006486
It's the contrarian choice, that's why

>>713006486
It's fun exactly once for the novelty, after that classic XP is better because it doesn't force you to pick a specifc route with the best oddity pickups just to level up.

>>713004446
none of that makes any sense. numbers != RPG.

>>713006486
It was ok until they raised the level cap

>>713006114
Exactly the same as gloves, but gloves are less dependent on crits, and have more CC.

>>712961159
If you're going the warcrimes build you get the best armour in the game from them. I think. I don't remember since it's been years that I've played this. Acid, Fire and Ice.

>>713007492
My knife buils have 90% crit chance without focus drugs so
>and have more CC
You don't need to CC things that die in 1-2 attacks

>people think shotguns are bad
An agility/TM shotgun build was the most reload-proof build i played.

>>713006114
All things gloves can do and combo/pneumatic hammer automatically makes it better.

>>712997794
Psi beetle warehouse is solved with molotovs and door shenanigans.
Stealth, open the door.
Enter combat, throw molotov and close the door.
Wait until combat ends, repeat

>>713007907
in what universe?
no way anyone here said that

>>713008058
Gloves have lower base damage, lover crit chance and crit damage and worse mechanical damage penetration. Pneumatic hammer triggers at a point where my knife taget is already dead and I srike the next one.

>>713008176
psi beetle warehouse is so dumb but yeah
if you have a 10 AP attack you can always full on door cheese up to your level of patience.
open door (25 AP), step forward, attack once (10 AP), back up, close door (25 AP), end turn, wait a full turn for 10 AP carryover, repeat.

>>713008374
they're both S tier melee, no reason to argue over this while Spears are just F tier

I just lure the beetles to Newton with a grenade and let him die. The dumbass deserves it.

>>713007517
20% cooked shot damage isn't that good
and you kill them for the armor on the other route

>>713007707
Glad you agree.

>>713008596
grenade launchers are so loud you can aggro beetles to him from the other side of the wall and leave without having to kill anything

>>713008596
I've legitimately gotten more frustrated with the 2 psi beetles in front of that stupid building than the ones in the building itself. if the two refuse to get far enough apart so you can take them on one at a time you're just fucked- there's no LoS angle to back up to and drag them to you without getting hit with their demented, no-miss attacks, and the margins for everything are so low that even when you get a one-on-one a slight bit of bad RNG can kill you anyway. if you want to try to throw grenades, you can't possibly have the accuracy at that level for it to not end up in the water half the time, and if it does work the noise will always pull in the second beetle.

everything else has a solution. mutant dogs in the depot? just get some siphoner leather armor. early game bot? just get 8 DT tactical vest and you're invincible to them, etc.

but a couple of beetles for that stupid Newton quest- nah fuck you just keep reloading and waiting until things work out just perfectly

>best faction gets wiped out no matter what
Infusion better not cuck me like this.

>>713009559
The world is cruel.
Do unto others

Kill all of the masked mongrels

>>712961159
The Protectorate offers civilization and stability while the Free Drones want to protect their right to murder, steal, and get shanked and tossed into a ditch by a drugged up hobo.

>>713009559
If they weren't built on lies then yeah they are actually the best faction.
literally just like the Master from Fallout 1 tbqh

>>713009373
You can use bear traps to block off the small bridge section, which you can then molotov so they will slowly burn up as they are stuck on the traps. Early on bear traps are your bread an butter on dominating.

>>713009559
>best faction
>he's not talking about the invisible alien pyramid faction

I bet you fall for the advatongue grifter in core city too

>>713010150
assuming you can kill the beetle on the bridge without pulling more

>>713010150
I get spotted on the small bridge section every fucking time. dominating gives +30% on their detection skill, remember? not high enough level

>>713009559
>>713009939
>called tchortist
>Russian word for devil and devil servant is Chort
Hmmmm!

>>712996854
Weird, I don't remember posting in the thread yet.

>>713010659
Cкoлькo игpaл, ни paзy нe зaмeтил. Tchort и tchort
Я ceйчac ceбя идиoтoм пoчycтвoвaл

>>713010284
says the guy hanging with people honestly considering it for a cypher language
>>713010659
What is with Eastern Europeans doing this?
Perkele and Tchort

name a cooler dude than this guy
I've always felt motivated to be a South Gate Station supporter when I play because you got someone so cool and capable leading your faction

>>713011907
what a weird guy
immune to all damage and attacks with an energy claw....

I like the Faceless

>>713012367
>can't side with the faceless
>they're just borg badguys
shit gaem

>>713012559
you can

>>713012367
>that little cave near the core city where they just tell you to leave
gave me chills

>tanner
>six
>the Protectorate big guy
Did I miss anyone?

>>713013379
You're mistaken on

>>713013921
I rememeber that it was the consensus, am I wrong?

>>713014364

Its you

>>713014364
nope

>>713013379
I think Six is full of lies and nothing he says can be trusted.

>>712960878 (OP)

>>713014736

>>713014736
Nah the protagonist just has balls made of super steel. If you were a jodman then biggie T would have recognised the "succulent flesh of the high ones" instead of calling you a "tunnel rat".

>>713015459

its just that its not you yet, the jobbermen are supposed to trascend time and all that bullshit, its you but not yet, killing big T is what puts you into the path of becoming it

thats why six tells you you are supposed to do it and he won't rob you of your destiny and all that bullshit

I've always had this urge to rebuild Underrail in Unity then expand upon it so it's actually good. Just to spite Styg for being such a hateful autist.

>drivable quad bikes and quad bike battles in the dark underrails
>quad bike moving train heist
>followers/party members like Dude, Gorsky, etc.
>seamless map connections. no zone transitions
>camera rotation, some 3 dimensional map
>better dialogue writing
>procedural generation lower cave layouts for more replayability

>>712965717
I didn't even have a build in this game. I was under the impression that I was better off having a balanced character once I realized I wasn't going to have party members and just put stats everywhere without thinking. I might have started over if I was playing on Dom (Deep Caverns were a BITCH), but even with only oddity exp you can manage, the game is very forgiving with the shit it throws at you as far as loot and quest rewards and shit. 140 hours, come on man were you maxed out on level?

>>713015627
Additionally with Ferryman you can discuss how your character feels like they've died multiple times yet are still somehow alive. This may connect to what Six says about arriving to correct "frame" or whatever term he was using when you meet him in DC and he figures out you're the one to kill Tchort, which may allude to multiverse / timelines hijinks / savescumming being literal part of the game world.

Bravo, Toby Fox, you did it again.

>psi only got nerfed because of min/max autists that Styg listened to and also with him being a no fun allowed douche while leaving all the other OP shit like traps and grenades alone which have never gotten nerfed.
>also made it impossible to mod the game so people can't bring back the old psi without having to use the legacy version of the game that is missing out on content added after the nerf.

>>713017641
the game is moddable styg is a really really average coder, people just can't be assed

>>713015627
>you've just got to kill tchort bro
>it's your destiny bro
This is Fallout 3 all over again!

>>713017641
>shit like traps and grenades alone which have never gotten nerfed
Objectively wrong. Both three-pointer and quick tinkering have been nerfed, the QT getting shat on the most.
>made it impossible to mod the game
There are mods for the game.

People who complain about these things (mostly the psi "nerf") have never played and/or are completely derailed and base their arguments on delusions.

>>713018121
People complain about nerfing a single player game. How much of a nerf it was is irrelevant, it's even doing it in the first place.

>>712971374
people in underrail are batshit insane and you're no exception
you've got a guy that lives and fights with Alpha rats and the champ of the arena beats the shit out of niggers with rocket launchers and shit with his bare fists.

>>713018121
They got nerfed but maxed stealth and an inventory full of mines, bear traps, caltrops, and gas nades will still clear any encounter except the final boss without having to make a single attack.

>>712977209
There's a lot of stronger shit than you. What if Six was part of a big ass faction? There's probably stronger Faceless than what we've seen. The justification from starting max level in a new scenario is possible within the lore.

>>713018775
>will still clear any encounter except the final boss without having to make a single attack
Same for psi, except you only have to carry a couple of cheap inhalers instead of literal tons of explosives. Also no need for attack rolls against Big T either, failure isn't an option for psi users.

>>713009559
>literal puppets for a giant mutant abomination
>best faction

>>713019080
Tchort is evolution

>throws hoddurform at you

https://underrail.info/build/?HgMGAwcDEAgAwqAAwqAAAMKCRgAAAEZfUCNLwqAAAMKgAABVKyxfCAUqZcK9ZsKEIcKVwocjJMK7wrfCisOHwp3CruKdggrfvg

god any build with thought control could be improved by just using the other psi schools instead

>>713018931
I guess, you're supposed to be going to Hexagon as well anyway which is full of cyborgs with really high tech.

>>713002225
It IS, but I spent about 8 hours savescumming my way through Deep Caverns and didn't realize it was going to be such a pain in the ass until I was in too deep. I probably should have reloaded after 2 hours in, but I kept thinking "I've done so much already, it can't be that much longer".
>>713006486
I wish ALL RPGs had the oddity system. Discourages the grind, encourages exploration. It was a damn good decision that should be the default for the genre.
>>713011907
>Godmen hands typed this post
>>713013379
I can't think of any other reason Carnifex is so goddamn OP

>>712975842
Hopefully direct sequel never.
My guy is enjoying a nice life as the SGS benevolent dictator (former war criminal) and would never follow that retard faggot Six up north.

>>712998231
>gas grenades
bear traps and HE grenades did the trick for me

>>713019682
the tchortists sell you ammo and there are 500 bullets of each type in the storage area
you might run low on heath hypos

>>713004639
>is area denial with 50% chance to inflict fear actually good?
gee nigger

>>713019682
carnifex was hanging out in the black sea the entire time ackshully

>>713004639
>burst damage aoe in a rarely resisted damage type
>fear inducing and makes people relocate, which wastes turns and lets you relocate to a better position or hubnting them
>does damage for enemies moving through, which fear does it
>also lights people on fire, DOT
Bruh

>>713020479
Adding on
>the most simpleminded retard can make one from readily available components, unlike actual explosives which require much higher skill to handle

>>713020479
That's good and all but an explosive grenade could just simply kill said group in one blast, and if there are a few survivors they go down in one hit with whatever weapon/build I'm using.

>>712960878 (OP)
What's a fun build

>>713019251
brainblasting a nigga 7 times in one turn is so fun though

>>713019682
>I can't think of any other reason Carnifex is so goddamn OP
psi-monk builds a character can do are equally powerful or even more so.

https://underrail.info/build/?HgsIBwMDCAYAAADCoCgAbko6TwBqaglYawDCoABGGwBWKzkZaSAUEioTJEVOQgZPfMK2w4zCiuKhkAXip4IC4qyqBd--

Can get a psi-monk max damage reduction supersteel metal armor (with bleed) with lightning punches still active and dance around the zone while shitting out giga-damage and control. I prefer doing this with The Claw for the disgusting synergy for stacking Contaminate with Psychokinesis damage and hitting a more efficient Dex AP breakpoint than unarmed

>>713020845
-max strength every level
-unarmed
-corporeal projection
-force user
-telekinetic punch
punch people REALLY FUCKING HARD. if they don't die in one hit, PUNCH THEM AGAIN.

>>713020841
nta but come on
>fear
>makes AI sperg out
>lights the area up
>can be made at the beginning and the ingredients abound
the base version is more than enough for the entire game really

>>713021134
lol
no

>>713021134
>FUCKING STILL SHILLING HIS PSI-MONK BUILD
I WANT OF THIS RIDE AAAAAAAAAAA

>>713021387
I've used them as well but usually during early/mid game, I just end up not needing them especially if I'm on a pure wizard build and can just cryo orb a group.

>>713019986
I'm a packrat and had a gorillion ammo going in. I'm also a retard >>713017541
that thought I should make a "balanced" character and ended up with my stats all over the place (pic related is my stats from my first save after beating Tchort). I'll post the rest so you all can laugh at me.
>>713020276
Explain, I'm not the best lorefag

>>713021738

>>713021819

>>713021738
>he doesn't know
A damaged weathered arena ticket. You can't quite make it out the scribbled named, but you're pretty sure it starts with a C.

>>713021892
>>713021903
Ah

>>713021991

>>713021738
>>713021991
Nothing on this mpc but a game about some siphoner-like amphibian jumping across rivers. Crashes after a couple of seconds of gameplay.

Copied the high scores for preservation purposes:

inv - 860,630pts
h.w - 835,320pts
rib - 760,230pts
rib - 757,600pts
rib - 754,850pts
rib - 752,560pts
h.w - 748,910pts
rib - 738,110pts
rib - 627,370pts
rib - 600,200pts

Hank Wardell (the mystery NPC that previously owned your house that Phreak, Ferryman, and Svana talk about meeting and is mentioned as initials h.w. here >>713022159) is probably Styg's self-insert Marty Stu, yeah?

>>713020845
last boss is immune to your bullshit so you have to shoot him with lasers instead

https://underrail.info/build/?HgMQCgQDAwcjAADCoMKgwqBkSwAAMlpfWhlaAAAARgAARis5JGHCo8KRVk5HMCnChyooQcKzDR3ita4K374

>>713022076
>>713021903
But is that just a ticket to see him? Or HIS ticket?
Anyway, I went INTO the Deep Caverns in an even more dire state, because I was level 16 iirc. To beat Tchort I had to do the puzzle to weakn him. Strip and use stealth to plant traps all over the fucking place for Tchortlings, continue in stealth to plant the TNT (had 3 in inventory, realized I was only getting 2 set before getting hardstuck after several tries), go into the room at the entrance to the arena, put all my shit back on, kill a few tentacles and beeline to him before tentacles respawn and tchortlings overcame traps

>>713022342
I assume it's supposed to be another "player character."

>>713022159
who is rib

>>713022159
>>713022581
Rib is the siphoner man. Siphoner man has a camp in the fetid marsh. He also is in every single arena match on the stands. What probably happened was just Siphoner and Invictus hanging out and then Hank Wardell being the protag fuck that he is chilling with both.

>>713022342
Hank Wardell is more of a reference/joke about being a retired RPG protagonist like how he was able to afford the richest house in Core City after appearing from nowhere.

>>713022691
nani

>>713022990
Rib(bit) is the sound frogs do. Siphoner man is man with siphoner head, frog. Invictus is arena man, Siphoner man in arena. Hank is protag tier everywhere agility laser pistols build motherfucker that Styg likes having.

>>713023096
he was also able to climb up the glowing canine then stealth through the pirate camp and steal a jetski without anyone knowing he was there

im amazed by the amount of reactivity your jet ski gets

I hope I will see Vivian again in Infusion...

>>713023361
He was able to do all that yet dies a retarded death killing himself in an accidental explosion while fucking around with chemicals in his basement. Do you think Styg would do the same for the MC if he ever made a sequel? Like imagine meeting some SGS member and they tell you how the new council member (the PC) ended up slipping on something and broke his neck dying instantly.

calling it now
Underrail 2 will be us meeting Hank Wardell (he's alive!) and becoming his second-rate bitch while we have our levels reset back to us jobbing to rathounds. The ending twist will be that Tanner was a good guy all along and we'll have to fight Seven (formerly known as Six)

>>713023661
did they ever find the body?
I'm skeptical that he died

>>713023625
>there's actually a good written quest for once
>its popularity just has Styg punish the players by killing the character off-screen

why

>>713023661
>he thinks HW is dead
That fucker was also void travelling he's fine and dandy. He wrecked his home but he's out there for sure dipdick, rule 1 of storytelling, don't murder your cool dudes offscreen, keep them off screen.

I really like the lore of the game, hopefully the next game will have more RPG elements like the old Fallout games.

>>713023661
"chemicals in his basement" -> it probably wasn't chemicals it was probably some riftwalking shit. Both Synesthete and Dude get in your house that way I'm positive Hank Wardell got out that way.

>>713024298
basically if Underrail had dialogue trees + quest structure on par with Fallout it would be much better

Are there other games that scratch the same itches as this?

>>713024382
Yeah but then they'd have to put effort into the game.

>>713024469
pretty sure 95% of us have replayed Fallout 1 and/or 2 a hundred times. Same kind of build variation replayability to it

I think the Ferryman is full of shit and I blast him and scrape him off his dumb boat first thing every time.

t. Free Drones chooser

>>713023979
>killing
Where are the proofs?
Vivian is playing dead and left for north underrail and when we get there we'll have a drink with her