Can we have a real conversation about the 'eck vs the 'witch 2 without the console war dumb shit?

>>712972265 (OP)
There is no real conversation without tribalfagging. They are different machines for different use cases and audiences there is nothing to compare.

>>712972265 (OP)
no because steam deck discussion is always mostly people seething over the switch

>>712972265 (OP)
Can we have a conversation why every steam deck shill is a ecker pedoohile or bara faggot?

>>712972325
They are different machines for the same use case.

>>712972325
What are the different use cases? They are both handhelds for playing aaa on the go

>>712972403
Nah, the Deck is a complementary system for people with a PC and an already meaty Steam Library. the 2 is for pèople that like nintendo, so like, a big ass chunk of the gaming public. Also helps a lot that it's the FIRST nintendo console withou some kind of autistic, weird and aintconsumer shop reset, so your entire Switch library and saves, both physical and digital, carries on to the 2

>>712972403
>>712972463
The deck is a "portable" pc, the switch 2 is a "portable" console, they have very different use cases just by what they are capable of doing alone. I wouldn't buy a switch to play my steam games on the go and i wouldn't buy a deck to play first party nintendo games.

>>712972683
I don't think you understand what "use case" means.

>>712972683
You're an imbecile

One machine just werks and is considered the gold standard for playing vidya in comfy places, the other is for shitposting with your dick on display

>>712972265 (OP)
No, next question.

>>712972325
Fuck that shit I love both of them. With PC + Nintendo you get everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeJzpyJ2YsE

>>712972265 (OP)
No, because it's stupid. One is a console and the other is a PC, why should they fight when they serve different purposes? The only similarity between the two are that they're both handhelds that you can take with you and play anywhere.

>>712972751
>>712972804

>>712973594
This is true

Nintendo and Valve fans shouldn't be fighting, they should be laughing at their competitor's companies nuking themselves from orbit still living in their 7th generation bubble.

>>712972265 (OP)
>can we have the poopoo without the peepee?
What do you think

>>712973720
This board is full of fucking retards who didn't even know umpcs existed before the deck. You'll lose your mind arguing with them.

>>712972265 (OP)
One will keep playing new releases for the next 7 years at minimum while the other is already struggling and in need of a replacement, there you go

>>712973594
True, but i'll stick to an actual pc + nintendo

>>712973832
Isn't the main shitpost from the Switch camp being able to play a mediocre 5 year old game? You're kind of hypocritical. You'll get 20 ports and 4 new *real* games over the next 4 years and still be posting the same webms. God forbid Deck 2 gets announced--this board would implode from all the shitposting and fud.

>>712972505
Deck is gaming device, made to play games and nothing else.

>>712972265 (OP)
Both are trash and the 3DS/Vita were true handhelds. They also existed in a better time for vidya in general, consoles especially.

>>712973957
>>712973832
you can play modern games on Deck either from the console or you can just stream games over the home network using Wifi 6. It works remarkably well, seemingly no input lag noticeable if you have a decent router.

But yeah I'll grab Steam Deck 2 on Day 1. It will look pretty next to the Switch 2. Deck 1 served it's purpose in establishing SteamOS, the handheld gaming pc market and also just getting people used to the idea of the deck being there and the various ways you can use it. It's an almost 4 year old machine now, in 2027 or whatever Deck 2 will drop and that will be cool.

>>712973957
Kinda hard to shitpost anything about the deck when after all the noise people made about it killing the switch the thing barely outsold the ngage, and being more expensive will only make things worse since being affordable is the only advantage the deck still holds on the PC handheld market

>>712972265 (OP)
Deck:
>OLED
>better ergonomics
>higher performance when undocked
>VASTLY more games
>free games
Switch 2:
>higher performance when docked
>some games unavailable on the Deck (like Mario Kart)

>>712972265 (OP)
>Can we have console war thread #1327
>But without the console war
No one bought a deck
People bought the Switch 2
Just take the L

>>712973957
The Deck 2 is inevitable because Microsoft has felt the threat now and they will try and reign in all OEM including Lenovo who has put Steam OS on one of their handheld PCs through any legal or even non-legal means necessary to keep their marketshare. Valve will need to create a machine of their own if only because they need to continue to put out a reference device for SteamOS for new hardware in case the worst of the worst happens and the first Steam Deck has been pretty successful too. That being said, it has been pretty much tapped for Win32 games running through Proton performance with DX12 and etc, and the only way it actually gets better is if Vulkan is more widespread or even the state of native Linux games improves and those are rare and few between, let alone a focus on Linux with Steam Deck's specs specifically in mind. Valve specifically has said they only consider supporting Win32 games through Proton on SteamOS so that is what all developers are going to use. I do suspect that at some point though, Valve will need to do their own API for Linux and Vulkan akin to Google doing that for Stadia but that is clearly a far future thing once SteamOS has more marketshare.

>>712974283
Switch 2 in handheld mode mogs Deck dock or undocked, let's be real. But the rest of the advantages of Deck are all true.

>>712973957
>>712974190
How does Valve feel about their screen size and resolution? Will they go from 800p to 1080p for the Steam Deck 2? Will they increase the screen size of the base model Deck 2 to around 8-inches or will that remain 7-inches or bump up to 7.4-inches?

>steam deck
obsolete garbage

There is no vs. Not even remotely.
We are talking about a device selling more in days than the other did in years.
The soc of the deck is also too weak now to compete on a technical level wich is clearly visible in for example cyberpunk.
Things will get more interesting with a deck 2 but even then it's not going to be competition.

>>712974339
From what little I've seen, the Deck has a slight edge in terms of raw performance when undocked.

>>712974330
Did people buy switch 2? I heard its not doing so well.

>>712974628
In practise the difference is going to be bigger in favor of the switch 2.
This is just simulated testing with the same soc and without any optimization gains a console would get.

>>712972265 (OP)
>Dreck
100% shit

>Shitch 2
not 100% shit

>>712974635
Don't look up deck numbers then

>>712974635
Don't listen to the voices in your head, anon.

>>712974635
Confirmed 3.5 million units in four days, some people in japan still can't get them and SEA countries delayed the release to the 26th if i remember correctly.

>>712974338
Valve is going to kill Microsoft's handheld ventures with the Steam Deck 2, all it needs to use is a custom low-powered AMD APU based on Zen 5 RDNA 3.5/4 (meaning it's 3.5 but incorporates many things from RDNA 4 including an FSR based on FSR 4) for a significantly lower price in 2026 or 2027 and Microsoft won't really have an answer. Sony's upcoming PS handheld is dead on arrival because Sony will sell that at a profit. Zen 6 UDNA should be a no go on price but Sony wants to use that so expect a high price from that.

>>712972265 (OP)
It's impossible to have a rational discussion about it because the Deck is simply an emotional support device for Valve dickriders to purchase in order to cope with the fact that switch is better in every way, that's all it ever has been.

>>712974951
>Microsoft can't build a shitty Windows emulator, that works as ass as wine

>>712974951
Valve doesn't need to do anything. Microsoft will kill it themselves.

>>712972265 (OP)
There's no real conversation the deck is just so much better. And I'm being objective here. Literally the only reason to get a switch 2 is if you have to have to fomo into modern nintendo games (which I would argue are not very good anymore) for some reason at launch instead of just kicking back with all the other games you could play until the inevitable emulator shows up.

So do you guys have any plans of stopping this currently three year and four month long tantrum that the Steam Deck exists?

Is a Switch 2 Lite still possible in 2027? Someone with chip knowledge, tell me?

>>712975043
I suppose if you don't have a gaming PC or any other console, Switch 2 might be worth it for the docked mode. But if you already have one, I see literally no reason to go for the Switch.

>>712975041
>2 weeks

>>712975074
Depends if they can get the right materials from other companies. Sharp is supplying their screens and I don't know if they make smaller ones for a reasonable price. I can see it being slightly smaller than the OG Switch, but it definitely won't be as small as the Lite 1.

>>712975048
You would think that seeing the numbers would convince them that people want their PC to be stationary, but nope they continue to throw a tantrum.

>>712975048
we laugh at it and every retard who got one
hahahahaha
>you see selling 1 or 2 millions is a juge success
>it basically werks
>pls redeem saar
>use TroonixOS

>>712974339
Graphically, DLSS will result in a better overall aesthetic image so it will be "better" even if the Deck can manage higher resolution and effects. You can see that in a comparison like https://youtu.be/LTNfqDQmrKs?t=463 where in SF6, if you go to the cherry blossom stage, the Deck can run the full fat stage with dynamic cherry blossoms falling and shifting with each move while the Switch 2 was cut back and can't run that effect but overall the Switch 2 is better because of the image quality face value even if what I said was true. The main issue I have with people playing down this difference for now is the fact it doesn't have porting implications yet but that difference will be the difference between the Deck most likely being able to run GTA 6 at some potato settings okay vs the Switch 2 never getting a port of that game when physics on everything is back in style
>>712974951
They woke the sleeping giant here and Valve isn't a company that just shits out gold constantly especially when most of their failures as a company has been on the hardware side like the original Steam Machine and Steam Controllers and Steam Link failed to catch on even if beloved by its niche community.
Valve absolutely can fail if they make the wrong moves especially when hardware isn't really all that makes the machine nowadays with the software being the more important point if you looked at the Lenovo Legion Go running Steam OS vs Windows on the same hardware. If you are young, you don't know how incredibly dirty Microsoft can play and what they did with exclusives with Xbox wasn't even their full power. They caught up in the 90s and stayed relevant for another decade after losing their foothold to the web to Netscape Navigator and Bill Gates used every single trick in the book with their lockin of Windows and pushing out other web browsers with Internet Explorer which got them into antitrust and that was the only thing that prevented them from gaining a foothold in mobile.

>>712975209
Will they just drop the screen down to 7-inches?

>>712975246
>>712975286
So, that's a no then.

>>712975286
This guy is a confirmed SEAfaggot btw.

>>712975172
I owned a Zune and a couple Surface tablets. Microsoft doesn't have as many dead products as Google, but they're still fallible. Especially when they could've spent the $70 billion they used on the ATVI deal to completely annihilate Sony but they didn't cause Phil and Sarah are retards.

>>712975302
I really would like if Deck 2 had an Nvidia mobile card. The apparent image quality and framerates could be hit so much higher. Switch 1 didn't get to benefit from DLSS and framegen. Switch 2 already is.

>>712975043
Throwing buzzwords around and ignoring the reality that emulation isn't as popular as you think is hardly an objective take buddy.

>>712975395
Nvidia doesn't work on Troonix

>>712975342
The only ones starting arguments about deck are trolls and deck owners

>>712975302
The problem with Microsoft now is that Gates and Ballmer aren't there and they were replaced by a pajeet who kills things with the slightest failure so I don't see it working out for them but Valve probably won't care, they'll improve the SteamOS and make it downloadable if they can't get it on other devices which they're already doing anyway and they'll have the Steam Deck 2 so they'll be pretty set not needing to really worry about Microsoft much.

>>712975314
7 inches still sounds too big for a "Lite"

>>712972265 (OP)
Do you care about Nintendo exclusives? If No, buy a steam deck if you want a handheld. If Yes, get a Switch 2.

>>712975436
um

>>712975440
it's similar to divorced women.
misery likes company.
if you got tricked by the bearded man to purchase garbage and be an unpaid alpha tester, then everyone else should feel the same pain.

>>712975537
>le AI
ask your retarded AI if games actually work
they don't.
and then troons will tell you to buy not-Nvidia

>>712975553
I'm so miserable playing through Wizardry 6-8 with Grid Cartographer running side by side as an autotracker and playing old dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey with a billion more options and mods for textures and mapping; woe is me. Better get a Switch because it does the exact same thing and will continue to provide similar functionality in the future.

>>712975398
Better than having no argument at all like (You)

>>712975594
Everything I'm seeing is people saying they can run games just fine on Unix based OSes using Nvidia cards. Can you point out all these cases of people not being able to? I have a 3090 so if it's only the older cards with issues, I don't really care personally.

>>712975398
>emulation isn't as popular as you think
To be fair, I'm assuming OP isn't a sub 100 IQ casual normalfag or a sub 80 IQ fanboy.

>>712975738
>I don't really care

>>712972683
>i wouldn't buy a deck to play first party nintendo games.

>>712975172
Yeah xbros microsoft totally doesn't have a history of fucking up their videogame division

>>712972265 (OP)
>Switch 2 vs. PedoDeck
The winner and morally correct choice is more than obvious.

>>712975872
Well think about it. I could just play games on Linux fine with my 3090. And if Deck 2 has an Nvidia based mobile chip, presumably it being a newer or customized model, it should be able to run games too.

>>712975732
There is no need to write an essay when the whole thing boils down to
>if you want to play steam games get the deck
>if you want to play nintendo games get the switch 2

>>712975971
He honestly makes a good point.
If you have actual options I really don't see any reason to bother with first party nintendo stuff.
Maybe Earthbound?
But mostly no. Especially on PC people had a way more rosey outlook on nintendo since Dolphin basically became THE way to play 6th gen games and multiplats since comparatively PS2 and Xbox emulation lagged behind since playing backups on those systems was way more trivial.

>>712976042
Yeah I agree. it's the console that let's you present your genitals to minors playing Mario Kart.

>>712976071
>play games
>fine
>on Troonix
choose one
it's shitty software emulation, it doesn't work.

>>712976120
based
Nintendo even saves videos automatically

>>712975815
You're assuming people would choose emulation over the console if they were given the option but that is just not the case and you don't even have to be a tendie for that.

dick vs womb

haha

>>712972265 (OP)
I have a switch 1 and a steamdeck

Both aren't very good. If I had to have one or the other, I'd probably have the switch for coop games.

>>712976138
What hardware is being emulated?

>>712976094
Incorrect. The deck can play every single nintendo game aside from mario kart world. The deck can also play far more than just games on steam. The deck can play basically everything out there.
The switch 2 is for people with zero impulse control and are willing to attack the hobby because they have to have some soulless shell of a corporation's latest slop right away.

>>712976261
it pretends to be windows, therefore it's windows emulation.
if the host CPU is not x86/i64, then that's what's emulated on top of Windows.

>>712972265 (OP)
Okay, let's see.
Steam Deck:
>Great ergonomic design with matte black paint.
>Able to play a myriad of games on Steam.
>You're also able to pirate or emulate a lot more.
>And you can use it as a PC.
Nintendo SHIT 2:
>Awful dogshit design, almost looks like a Chinese console.
>Very small and mediocre library.
>Flooded with overpriced slop and remasters/ports that isn't not worth even half the price.
>And Nintendo gives you no freedom whatsoever.

>>712976287
>can play

>>712976217
We're on /v/. This isn't some street corner preaching to people who don't know any better.

>>712976323
>Steam Deck
>made for dark hands
yikes

>>712976360
You know you've lost when you've had to spam misinfo for years. None of you fags have a shred of integrity or good faith in your bodies.

>>712976315
*Translates system calls
No emulation is happening

>>712976418
>it's naht true
>by shit emulator didn't create any bugs in Pokemon
>Pokemon is SUPER buggy
>youtubers said that, so it must be true

>>712976360
non oled steam deck? great comparison

>>712976450
>translates
so what emulators do, okay

>>712976485
translation layer is not emulation dummy

>>712976475
>a different screen will make a difference!!!

>>712976485
Yeah. Emulators emulate hardware.

>>712976418
It's not even funny at this point. It's just sad, they've been frozen in a state of pant filling fury for the past 3 years.

>>712976518
translation is everything any emulator is actually doing, you retarded fuck
>>712976528
nope
otherwise a VM wouldn't be an emulator when host CPU = guest CPU, which is of course nonsense

>>712972265 (OP)
>'eck
Can play kino games
>'witch 2
Can only play bing bing wahoo

>>712976418
It's how hard they work against their own self interest that's the saddest part.
The nonstop sales dickriding, and what does Nintendo do with that? Screw them into the dirt. But it's the only thing they can try to gloat about as fanboys so they keep doing it. The saddest shit.

>>712976527
OLED is better than LED retard

>>712976527
Emulators just magically stopped all development when this webm was made

I know that you probably own neither, but you've basically run out of rebuttals. Let me guess what's next

>sales

Fisher-Price sells a ton too.

>>712976574

>>712976626
actually yes, the emulators are dead
thanks to Nintendo shooting the troon devs

>>712976287
Calm down deckfag, your shitty linux tablet running switch games worse than the og switch did is not something to brag about.
You also conveniently ignore the huge appeal of the switch 2 being backwards compatibility. It's always "FOMO" and "lack of impulse control" with you people and yet when the deck 2 comes out and all of you preorder it it's going to be based and wholesome because you spent hundreds of dollars for the second time to play the same games you already play on your pc but with worse performance.

>>712972325
yeah, 'eck is for 35yo PC neckbeards who are not afraid of linux nerding and fiddling. the switch is for 10yo kids and tendies to play the latest bing bing wahoo. the neckbeards dont want the switch and the kids dont want the deck. there is zero competition.

>>712976626
Feel free to post proof

>>712976712
>the switch is for 10yo kids
the switch is for 35yo tranny neckbeards who can afford $100 ports like they can afford a sex change operation

>>712976574
Yes yes. The CPU is the only thing inside a PC.

>>712976690
You sound big mad.

>>712976778
no meta game included "why doesn't this shit work???"
therefore uninteresting for the mentally ill

>>712976832
>I believe a VM would emulate a network card entirely in software, because that would perform really well
you are retarded, got it

I wonder how sales and usage stats look for the steamdeck dock. I imagine no one really uses it in that way.
>>712972325
Fippybippy

>>712976743
I don't play Nintendo games outside of social Mario Kart. I just think the people using that webm in every deck thread should hang themselves. I literally don't care--you faggot just shit up every thread assuming everyone loves Nintendo games as much as you do.

>>712972325
As per the norm, the first post is the best post

>>712972265 (OP)
waiting for the steam deck 2, personally
i never go in on the first iteration of something if i can help it
as for the switch, i would have to see the games. nothing nintendo puts out really entices me these days to justify going in on a console i will only touch for a couple of games. i already got baited once into buying a 3ds to play pokemon with a friend. even as a kid i was mostly into the 3rd party exclusives like gba/ds castlevania. and nintendo is a bitch with all its gay litigiousness and nannying what you can and cant do

What I don't understand is why the shills on this board love the Switch so much? Have you never owned a Nintendo console before?
>GB/GBA
>GameCube
>DS
>3DS
>Wii
All of these consoles have a vastly superior library to that of the Switch and most likely the one the Switch 2 will have. Instead of letting them exploit your nostalgia, you should compare the shit they're making today to the kino they made when you were younger.

>>712976832
https://www.virtualizor.com/docs/professional-features/gpu-passthrough/
cope

>>712976889
Yes yes. A network card is the only thing inside a PC.

>>712976961
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>712972403
>>712972463
The Switch 2 is the device you get for the Nintendo ecosystem first and foremost. That means exclusives, which include first-party (like Mario and Zelda), "second-party" (Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Pokemon), and third-party (like Bayonetta 2, Star Ocean First Departure R, and TWEWY: Final Remix). It's also a popular choice for Japanese non-PC games like Unicorn Overlord and 13 Sentinels, which are on PS5 but has no PC port.

The Deck is what you get for the largest library of games at the cost of some potential tinkering, though most work out of the box. It is strictly the best platform for visual novels, old games, and emulation. It's the value product out of the two.

There's a large overlap in AA and indie game saturation between the two devices. This isn't a coincidence since a lot of the work that went into Switch ports made for good Deck configs. They will cost less on the Deck during the numerous sales.

Both devices have different use cases, but they get mistaken as being the same use case because of the overlap detailed above. But the truth is that if you want to play the latest Nintendo games, especially on handheld, there isn't a better choice than the Switch family. The Deck (nor any of its cousins like the Ally or Legion Go) can reliably do Switch 1 emulation for most popular Switch games its first two years. The Switch 2 has no emulator, but even when it does, it won't be able to run on the current lineup of PC handhelds.

>>712976995
>there's a GPU-ack
>>712976967

>>712976967
Yes yes. A GPU is the only thing inside a PC.

>>712977037
What's the use case?

>>712977048
>it doesn't count
>cries

>>712977074
>ebussy found the thread

>>712976961
The biggest diehards which comprise 80% of the fanboy shitposting are fanboys of the corporation itself first and foremost and or too young to have any attachment to the older games. What this means is they'll start calling you shit like ootsnoy or cubesnoy for not sucking off modern Nintendo, despite modern Nintendo being a soulless, shitty shell of its former self and now run by an accountant and a fucking EA executive.

>>712975971
The Deck has inconsistent performance emulating the Deck. It'll often get close to or around the native target, but it'll have shader compilation stutter, visual errors, etc. and the battery life stinks when doing so. You'd be better off doing Switch 1 emulation on a desktop PC.

>>712977048
Graphics card passthrough, also known as GPU passthrough, is a technology that allows a virtual machine to use a physical graphics card directly. Unlike traditional virtualization methods, which rely on virtualized graphics drivers that route graphics commands through the hypervisor
>route graphics commands
>route is another word for translate

>nooooo

>>712977147
Interesting how you didn't use the word "emulate" a single time in that post.

>>712975726
I also own a PC and an HDMI cord

>>712977224
>claims that you need to emulate hardware on hardware level
>reality: VM TRANSLATES graphics commands and routes them to the host system
>NOOOOOO

>>712974190
Honestly with Moonlight to stream from my powerful desktop, I don't really have a use for a Deck 2 since all the games I like to play in hotel rooms or an airplane are weebshit like ADV, normie VNs like DR, or indiecore games like Hades, and I can just stream for anything actually heavy.
Unless the Deck 2 comes out in like 2-3 years, at which point I might consider it. But this is really my indies + VN machine.

There has been more paid steam deck shill threads on /v/ than steam decks sold in total

>>712976967
>>712977147
i'm not sure either of you know what the fuck you're talking about desu

emulators don't use gpu passthrough at all, nor does WINE/proton or any other translation layer. vms are not equivocal to emulators.

>>712977276
Yes? A vm doesn't need to emulate to virtualize

I play video games on my Steam Deck. I wish I weren't. Because it is just temporary distraction from my failures in life. It doesn't fix it.

>>712977030
Why would I use Reddit? I've never bought a Switch!

>>712974283
>Deck
>>higher performance when undocked
This isn't true.
>but muh CPU benchmark from April
1) That's a synthetic test where the Deck itself loses to many other real desktop PCs, and yet the Deck does just fine playing games at 800p
2) Most games today are not hard CPU bound. The limitations of mobile hardware are often a mix of the CPU/GPU power on the SoC and power delivery constraints. We're not comparing the Deck and Switch 2 with Ashes of the Singularity.

>>712977370
>passthrough is emulation
mental illness

>>712977384
I don't want to hear it.

>>712977369
>Valve
>Paying for shilling
>Paying to shill a product that isn't really even in stock right now

>>712977379
a VM is a fucking emulator, you fucking retard.

>>712974339
Not in my experience. Deck is definitely the better handheld.

>>712977491
>No saar we would never do needful shilling saar

>>712977529
>no game ownership
>buggy windows emulation
>nothing works
>1.5 hours of battery life
>better

>>712974628
>3D mark
>slight edge
>"SIMULATED" Switch 2 with desktop hardware
This isn't just a synthetic test. This is a synthetic recreation of a synthetic test. The 2050 is a decent point of comparison but it's not entirely apt in telling you how the SoC actually performs.
Again, the only real benchmark is to run the Deck and Switch 2 on the games of interest.

>>712972265 (OP)
>Can we have a consoler war thread without the consoler war shit

>>712977571
Technically speaking, you could make a qualitative comparison between both systems.
The problem is that it's extremely one sided if you actually like videogames.

>>712977571
>have you heard about the Steam deck, fellow "anons"?

>>712977467
literally said the opposite illiteracy-kun

>>712977506
Yeah, it emulates hardware

>>712977235
So do I, but I cant play that in the bed or on plane rides, can I, smartass?

>>712977634
>passthrough is not emulation
>but VM is an emulator because it totally emulates hardware

>>712977736
It doesn't have to.

>>712977701
no, it doesn't emulate hardware itself, it maps calls, otherwise it would perform like shit.

>>712977736
passthrough is categorically not emulation lol you have no clue what you're talking about

>>712977773
it doesn't do it because of performance and it would also be retarded.
but when a VM is an emulator, then shitty wine is doing literally the same crap, therefore wine is also an emulator, because it's doing literally the same as a VM.

>>712976485
>>712976574
no you retarded /g/tard, that's not what emulators do. emulators recreate the machine operation in hardware to implement behavior of the target hardware, while translation layers don't recreate the architecture of the target machine. The reason WINE says it's not an emulator is because despite setting up a WINE bottle, it's not running a VM. It has a small Windows-like file environment to manage and silo changes locally. It isn't reimplementing a machine that runs Windows, much less an x86 machine that has Windows installed on it

>>712977705
Huh? You can do it just fine, for cheaper and at a higher resolution

>>712977795
t. newfag

>>712972265 (OP)
Valve doesn't really need the Steam Deck while Nintendo definitely needs the Switch 2.

>>712977860
>emulators recreate the machine operation in hardware to implement behavior of the target hardware
when you emulate x86 on x86, you never do that, because that would be retarded, retard.
you execute machine code directly.
otherwise performance would be ass.

>>712977860
>The reason WINE says it's not an emulator
but it says it's an emulator.

>>712976961
>All of these consoles have a vastly superior library to that of the Switch
Ah yes, <current thing> has a much worse library than <things before>. I saw your kind when the 3DS was perpetually called a failure, when the DS was called a flop compared to the PSP's raw power, when the GameCube was called a major generational failure despite being more powerful than PS2, and when the Wii was called The Wagglan Shovelware Console

Your kind never has any genuine argument or real way to contextualize the fact that everything you called good was relentlessly shit on when it came out and went through its lifecycle, but it's only been christened "safe" and "great" now that liking it is no longer some tiny act of vulnerability.

When your younger brothers and children call the Switch 1+2 the "last legitimately amazing Nintendo console generations" before the Wii U2 ruined gaming, nothing will change because you'll be chirping along right next to them.

>>712977127
>too young to be attached
you dumbfuck, the narrative last week was that diehard nintentoddlers bought the switch 2 because they got groomed by the company during their childhood, and now the narrative is about how these people are simply too young to have any attachment to the Good Ol' Days.
Modern Nintendo will always be Perpetually Soulless because it's easy to shit on new things, but in about 10 years you'll reminisce about how it was Good, Actually because everything else now sucks.

i'm just going to stick with my steam deck and my original switch. i love nintendo but as a wii u owner i got burned hard by the switch and the last years of the switches life were terrible

>>712977074
The use case is revealed to the literate. I'm sorry anon you don't have what it takes I'm afraid.

>>712972265 (OP)
I'm not paying 80 for games or 600 for 2014 hardware next question

>>712977851
Nah. VM just emulates hardware when it emulates hardware.

why can the steam deck run dmc 5 and RE 2 but the switch 2 can't

>>712972265 (OP)
if you enjoy nintendo games then choose switch 2.
if you don't, steam deck.

if you have a tight budget/or have specific standards about game ownership with steam deck.

i have a switch 1, i like it and play it often, but i can't bring myself to go even near a switch 2 before they fix the battery and a hack is available for free games.

>>712977860
WINE literally stands for WINdows Emulator.

>>712977553
>>no game ownership
Stopped reading there. Ignoring it's all licenses, physical or not, you fags pretending you still care about physical while shilling for nintendo and what they're doing to it is utterly shameless.
Wake me up when nintendo lets me access the files for the game I bought so I can mod them, freely backup and transfer them, or do whatever else I want. Until then, blow it out your ass, you don't own shit.

>>712978294
>just
no, it doesn't.
cope

and even that is mapping / translation.

>>712978026
Pretty sure the only emulation happens on Rosetta 2 for Apple Silicon. Otherwise there's no binary translation in WINE for Linux, which was the original scope IIRC

>>712978026
Nah, there is no code emulation, or virtualization in WINE so it's neither of those. It's just a translator that piggybacks onto apps that use windows DLLs or DirectX; in other words Windows API

>>712978370
Define emulation without mapping/translation

>>712978370
And it becomes emulation when ghere's hardware involved.

>>712978332
??????????????????
https://youtu.be/uwmfcSigRQs

>>712978346
triggered

>>712978362
>no, no, I totally own games
>you you don't own games
>ahhhhh
I accept your concession.

>>712972265 (OP)
'ick on 'eck
'ick in 'witch

>>712978346
https://www.winehq.org/about
It literally stands for
WINE
Is
Not
(an)
Emulator

>>712978201
I don't give a shit what the "narrative" headcanon is. This is how they behave. They will absolutely attack older nintendo systems and games to defend the modern ones and view fans of nintendo in the past in the same vein as sony fanboys for daring to criticize the corporation.

>>712978383
emulators TRANSLATE
Wine is a shitty EMULATOR

>>712978404
emulators pretend to be something, which they are not.
e.g. beautiful women, windows, etc.

Retard

>>712978346
And then they changed it when they realized it wasn't correct.

>>712978410
Whatever helps you cope with nintendo's dick in your mouth, retard.

>>712972265 (OP)
If you want the tl;dr
Deck > switch 2

>>712978498
>it wasn't correct
lmao
the source code literally says it's an emulator, you are mentally unwell.

>>712977987
...that's the point. the point here is that emulators recreate entire architectures, while compatibility layers translate calls, either between architectures or on the OS level. The Switch 2 has a different generation of Nvidia GPU hardware, and the engineering team interview heavily implied there's JIT compilation in the compatibility layer to turn Switch 1 GPU bytecode into machine code that can be executed on the Switch 2 at runtime

>>712978530
>>712978484

>>712978474
emulators EMULATE
compatibility layers TRANSLATE
all of this is downstream of the fact that you don't understand the difference between HLE and compatibility layers

>>712978474
not the anons you are arguing with, but emulators as the name implies emulate the hardware of the original, which is why is curcial for the people developing the emulators to get a look at the physical hardware inside the machine, ideally directly or otherwise with pictures.

proton is translation layer, it doesn't pretend to be a different machine with different hardware.

>>712978576
no, emulators pretend to be something that they are not and TRANSLATE things to the host computer.

therefore wine is also a shitty emulator, because it's not Windows, but pretends to be, but fails, because retarded people wrote it.

>>712978537
Then why bring up the name if it's not a valid argument? You immediately fell back to something else when challenged.

>>712978498
>It originally was officially called an emulator. The change was largely due to essentially marketing. The first suggestion for the "Wine Is Not an Emulator" language was made in 1993, over concern that "Windows Emulator" might run into trademark problems with Microsoft
Literally didn't want to have windows in the name, thats it.

>>712972265 (OP)
>vs
LMAO

>>712978091
>Your kind
This anon is taking tribalism to a whole new level...
>3DS was perpetually called a failure
>DS was called a flop
>GameCube was called a major generational failure
>Wii was called the shovelware console
Only the GameCube "failed" out of all of these consoles. A few contrarians can't change the fact that those consoles were loved by pretty much everyone.
Can you honestly say the Switch will have the same legacy as the Wii? When they spent the last 6 years of the console's lifespan making garbage like Princess Peach Showtime? For the longest time the Directs were a meme on this board because of how underwhelming they all were.

>>712978576
>GPU bytecode into machine code
you are retarded, got it
in reality it TRANSLATES commands for a Shitch 1 GPU into commands for the Shitch 2 GPU

or rather TRANSLATES calls to a Shitch 1 GPU into calls to a Shitch 2 GPU

and it fails at that, just like wine.

>>712978474
Emulators emulate something, anything. Environment, software, hardware etc.
If something doesn't exist on your machine and you need a translation level that's emulation.

>>712978642
Yeah, they pretend to be hardware.

nintendo switch 2 = iPhone 16 Pro

steam deck = Samsung Galaxy S23 FE


msi claw = Samsung Galaxy S25

rog ally = Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra

>>712978641
>as the name implies
emulator doesn't imply hardware emulation, retard

there are so called high level emulators, which also just translate API calls, to get proper performance, but shitty results. That's also emulators, just a different type of emulator.

>>712978664
Now why wasn't that your fallback argument

>>712978650
at least that source code wasn't written by a troon and it confirms that the mentally sane developer himself calls it an emulator.
cope

of course it's irrelevant, just like a troon calling himself a woman. in reality he's a man and in reality wine is also a shitty emulator.

>>712978754
you are a retard

>>712972265 (OP)
>Can we have a real conversation about the 'eck vs the 'witch 2 without the console war dumb shit?
No because the Switch 2 heavily relies on fake frames while the Deck doesn't.
You can't properly comparing unless we talk about something like Deck with Windows and LSFG 3.0, though even that is unfair as LSFG is NOT better than NVIDIA DLSS.
So yeah, it's pointless outside of using it as a reason to start a flame war.

>>712978751
>food analogy

>>712978729
exactly.

a VM is also an emulator.
and of course a VM won't waste performance emulating a CPU, when you can just take the machine code and run it on the host CPU without any translation.
that's why VMs are fast, because they don't do shit that doesn't need to be done.
Wine is also not emulating a CPU when host CPU is x86/i64 for the very same reason.

>>712978841
>You can't properly compare them
Ftfm.

>>712978838
>zoomer doesn't know UltraHLE
>which made it possible to emulate a N64 on a computer from the 2000s, which were slow as fuck.

>>712978754
>Now let me tell you why this not-emulator is an emulator

>>712972265 (OP)
Where's the 'ick?

>>712978921
>UltraHLE is not an emulator
lmao

Diablo 3 not having console controls and offline play-ability on pc, but it does on the switch never not made me upset. It runs decently well on the Deck when emulated though.

>>712977887
I'm not going to participate in your bad faith argument regarding the ergonomics of a HANDheld vs a LAPtop. Last (you) that you're getting from me.

>>712978751
>msi claw
>zog ally
i sleep

>>712978716
>A few contrarians can't change the fact that those consoles were loved by pretty much everyone.
The Wii was relentlessly shit on, the fuck are you on about? People bought it because it was like $150, had smash, and had wii sports, but it wasn't seen as a quality or serious console in the 360/PS3 period.
This is actual gaslighting
>Can you honestly say the Switch will have the same legacy as the Wii?
No, because the Switch has a legitimately positive legacy LOL. The Wii has Mario Galaxy and maybe Metroid Prime 3, but everything else is either a diamond in the rough / hidden gem without mass normie appeal (Trauma Center, etc.). It even got shitty ports like CoD 3!

The Switch has BotW, which while divisive is typically a normie favorite Zelda.
It has Mario Odyssey, which despite its faults is generally considered somewhere between 64 and Galaxy, especially since it's more technical than Galaxy.
Smash Ultimate is FAR more well regarded than Brawl.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is by far the most beloved Mario Kart to date.
The Switch has a lot of meme ports like Doom, but it also has a lot of quality indies like Hollow Knight. That market was only burgeoning during the Wii.

You are deluded if you're saying the fucking WII of all things is more well regarded than the Switch, and I thought the Switch was underwhelming compared to the 3DS's large RPG roster.

>>712979035
>HANDheld
>dreck is way too big and bulky
choose one
the 3DS was a HANDheld
can't even carry the Dreck in a trouser pocket

At best it's a HANDSHELD

>>712978716
>For the longest time the Directs were a meme on this board because of how underwhelming they all were.
Just because you're confident when you lie doesn't make it true anon

>>712979083
>wasn't seen as a quality or serious console in the 360/PS3
lol
>sub 720p
>gray+brown everything
>shooters
>walking simulators
>AssCreed that's ass
>serious
lololol

fun fact: Wii got the best Prince of Persia

>>712978716
How does one speak such bullshit on /v/ without a sherd of self-awareness

>>712978985
Don't know what that is, but if there's no hardware, it's not emulation.

>>712979162
Wii was GC with gimmick feature. Also I don't think Nintendo had good hardware after SNES

>>712979261
emulation is translation
cope

>>712974628
>>712972265 (OP)
>docked switch is worse than a fucking IGPU and a 10 year old poverty tier $150 graphics card
Nintendo fags need to rope themselves
the real conversation is Steam deck vs a Rog ally/win gpd vs rog ally with steam OS

>>712972325
fpbp. This whole vs conversation only exists because console war obsessed retards are running out of options as each company is starting to do their own thing. It's even more retarded when sales figures get mentioned.
>You're telling me the heavily advertised console available in every store with an electronics section is outselling the barely advertised, limited supply, portable pc only available through Steam? Who could've guessed?

>>712978841
>DLSS is fake frames
no, framegen is fake frames. Upscaling has existed literally forever.
>Deck doesn't
the Deck literally has FSR. If you insist DLSS is fake, FSR is as fake.
Neither are fake

>>712979298
>Wii was improved GC with mouse controls without a shitty mouse
>with awesome Resident Evil 4 (best port)
sounds awesome

>>712979308
Sure. Translation is not emulation.

Realistically /v/, is it worth owning both an OLED Deck and a Switch 2? I have a Switch 2, and no gaming PC but I'm considering a Deck for PC games and emulation (I have a PS5 for high end AAA games)

>>712972325
>>712973770
/thread
They're both the best devices in their respective markets, while their competitors have done nothing but shoot themselves in the foot with retardation and incompetence.

>>712974119
Isn't the Switch Lite the size of a PSVITA?

>>712979353
all emulators translate stuff.
cope

>game requires Android-API
>Android-EMULATOR pretends to be Android
>game now werks
therefore Android-EMULTOR is an EMULATOR

>>712979348
>Look at this poet it's so good that I have high reso texture on low reso monitor
PC was best port, stop coping.

>>712972265 (OP)
We already know witch is better.

>>712979364
Deck is a good starter PC. Cheap and flexible which allows you to get your foot in the door.

>>712979395
You really need to get new images.

>>712979162
>>sub 720p
depends on the game but most aimed for 720p or higher
>>gray+brown everything
>>shooters
>>walking simulators
this is literally what mainstream gaming liked and wanted in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
indie walking sims like Dear Esther were shit on but literal movie sims like Heavy Rain were incredibly popular
>AssCreed that's ass
asscreed 2 and 4 are widely considered the best asscreeds
this is such bad attempt at revisionism lol

>>712979353
Literally definition of emulation

>>712979436
>PC with shit controls
nope

>>712979493
PC has all the controls in the world.
Stop coping.

>>712979353
That's literally what emulation is

>>712979364
If you like Nintendo games and want to keep up with the exclusives, then yes.
If you have a large steam library, IMO it's better to go for the Deck first and then a Switch 2 second since the library is developing for the second.
They're both out of stock for now though, but the Switch 2 seems to be rapidly getting more units.

>>712979536
nope
PC is a failure
>but I can play Wii U games using mouse and emulated touchscreen and
failure

>>712979407
>all emulators translate stuff.
Yes, that's what I said.
All dogs are mammals but not all mammals are dogs.

>>712979485
This was my first time posting that image.

>>712979486
>but most aimed for 720p or higher
nope, that was the UPSCALED output resolution
Both Piss3 and PissShitty were way too weak to deliver on the promise.
and the promise was 1080p
>mainstream
no, it was gayming
on the Wii there were tons of creative games, because game development was fucking cheap and not as expensive as fuck thanks to the HD gimmick.

>>712979595
>when I pretend to be Windows, but I am not Windows, then that's not emulation
it is.

>>712979568
PC has all the controls even Wii controls using Wii hardware. Stop coping

>>712979669
What hardware is being emulated?

>>712979701
Emulation does not imply hardware emulation

>>712976360
Kill yourself.

>>712979691
no, it doesn't.
it's a failure for brown hands.
>just let me install this fan patch
>and let me downgrade the GPU drivers
>see, it totally werks fine
train wreck

>>712972265 (OP)
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/12384759
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/12483709

>>712979745
nice movie playback on the shit eck

>>712979701
But it does

>>712979793
PS4: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3938972

>>712979083
Are you a Nintendo fan or just a Switch fan?
>The Wii has Mario Galaxy and maybe Metroid Prime 3
Off the top of my head I can name: Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, No More Heroes, MadWorld, Twilight Princess, Metroid FPS series, Donkey Kong Country, Dead Space Extraction

Now let's look at the masterpiece known as the Switch:
>Metroid Dread
>The worst Bayonetta game in the series
>Astral Chain
>Wii U ports
>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
>Odyssey, which hasn't been talked about on this board since 2018
>Tears of the Kingdom
>Super Mario Wonder, which has also been forgotten about on /v/
Out of all those games, only Dread, Astral Chain, and BoTW are worth buying a Switch for. I seriously don't get why you retards go crazy over this shit.

>>712979840
>>712979728
Oops wrong reply. Anyways it's been fun. I like it how irrationally angry you get when faced with the fact that it's not an emulator.

>>712979768
>light nintendo candles
>connect wiimote to deck
>open dolphin (disable steam input if in gaming mode)
>calibrate wiimote
>play
not difficult