>wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle
>game still missing basic flavor from CK2 years later
>let's add all of Asia and make it even shallower
>the hit to performance is being "worked on"
What were they thinking?

>What were they thinking?

shut the fuck up tranime faggot

>>712983964 (OP)
South, East and Southeast Asia shouldn't even be in the "Crusader" Kings, we already have Europa Universalis for that.

>>712983964 (OP)
>>the hit to performance
IMAGINE THE CHUGGING

>>712983964 (OP)
> the hit to performance is being "worked on"
You mean they anticipated nothing ?
My God, I cant believe how retarded modern Parafox is.

>>712983964 (OP)
It's good wish fulfillment

>>712983964 (OP)
>basic flavor from ck2
like what? satan cults? shit like conclave literally nobody interacted with?

>>712985186
It's more like they don't give a shit and expect you to buy increasingly expensive CPUs to keep up with their retardation.

how does a turn-based game with no graphics besides a 2D map even have performance issues

>>712983964 (OP)
Pandering to the Chinese.

>>712983964 (OP)
retards still falling for the paradox scam

>>712987492
Because it's processing every decision taken by every entity in the game.
Imagine if there were 2 million players in a single game of age of empires, all simultaneously doing shit.

>>712987492
>Turn based

What?

>>712983964 (OP)
I can't begin to imagine how ass the performance must be.

At the end of the day the map is getting a 25% increase but China will have a bajillion landless characters

>>712983964 (OP)
Just India completely fucked performance in CK2 but they did somewhat fix it it eventually. This is going to be a fucking nightmare. Countdown until they decide to add the new world.

Here's the real redpill.
Crusader Kings 3 is a good game.

>>712987795
Each in game tick is a turn, I'd say it's more like real time with pause.

All these countries with zero flavour.

>>712983964 (OP)
I was very worried when I read that the entire asia would be added because thats an entirely different political scenario from medieval europe and middle east, they couldnt possibly make it detailed as it would take another standalone game to do it

dont care, playing tall Korea

>>712987924
>Feudalism with asian autism isn't feudalism.

how does this game still suck i had a ton of fun in ck2 making anime mods and rping as rance leaders so was looking forward to making new ones especially now that the characters are 3d

>>712983964 (OP)
>Mongolian unfication
>Song Dynasty vs Mongols
>Majapahit
>Heian-era Japan
>Khmer

Okay, all interesting things to play out in-game

>Medieval Philippines

>>712987962
>If I call it feudalism because it's superficially the same, it's feudalism
Kill yourself.

>>712983964 (OP)
Paradox should realize sometimes less is more.

>>712987962
It unironically isnt feudalism since it doesnt work not even close to the same
Your american education is showing, feudalism isnt just defined by landed nobility under a leader

>>712988003
Potential vector for expansion from Indonesia, China or Japan

>>712988096
>>712988071
>Akshually Feudalism with extra steps isn't feudalism
Autism

>It's not a good game because there's no challenge
>It's not a good simulator because it's too ahistorical
Who are they trying to please?

>>712984484
The only aspect of it I am looking forward to is the Hegemon government type above empire, but yeah, why the fuck do I care about china in CRUSADER kings?
Also bring back supernatural flavor

>>712988173
When did it became cool to be absolutely fucking retarded and ignorant?

They have made DDs regarding the new governments. Japan is essentially administrative + feudal counts that also have clans forming blocs, with some imperial laws that have realm wide modifier effects. Korea, Jin and Dai Viet have Chinese Bureaucratic lite and Bureaucratic is administrative but with a treasury, exams, merit mana and great works. And China as a hegemony has eras and stuff.
Then there is Mandala and some kind of government for the Philippines.

>>712988353
Well Merit is actually less Mana since you don't spend it, it's kind of like levels of fame or splendor.

>>712988189
Women and trannies; the Sims 4 audience

>>712988350
>STOP CALLING MY ASIAN FEUDALISM FREAKIN FEUDALISM IT IS AKSHUALLY VELLY VELLY SPECIAL FEUDALISM OK

>>712983964 (OP)
80% of the playerbase is Chinese

>>712986316
Trade networks retard

>>712988461
You really are not killing it the way you think you are anon

>>712987492
Wait until you find out computers do more than draw graphics

I haven't paid too much attention after the plague DLC because I abandoned hope for the game, but my understanding is you still can't simulate how either the Holy Roman Empire or Byzantium historically worked: ancestral electors & princes for HRE; and appointing governors for lands whilst they also had their fief/family holdings. Also how the Emperors for both states were selected.

They can't simulate Europe yet, but they've rushed off for even more nations to add.

>>712988461
Shut up

>>712985491
D-did you use AI to generate an image of CK3?

>>712988992
No HRE but Byzantium got it's own government type and there are nomads now too

>>712984484
I want cool new government map simulator but medieval. It is good that they give me my fancy dollhouse larp simulator and thank these swedes.

They should've kept making expansions for CK2 without going further than India.

I've played thousands of hours of CK2 but I couldn't stand playing CK3 for 5 hours. Disgusting shit game.

>>712989635
What's wrong with it?

What made CK2 so much better than 3? I can't quite quantify it, but everytime I play 3, I just think
>I could be playing CK2 right now.

>>712990074
The AI.

>>712990074
it looks prettier

>>712990074
>Better flavor
>Better events
>Better lifestyles
>Better court management
>Better demense management (you can't play tall for shit in CK3)
>Fun supernatural events
>Republics
>Better bloodlines
>Beatification and Canonisation
>Better crusades
I could go on but these are the ones that bother me most.
I feel like the only things that CK3 has over 2 is new mechanics like struggles, better genetic management, dynasty perks and Religious/Cultural stuff.
But frankly all the work thats being put into shit like nomads and china development could and should be spent on actually making European gameplay better.

One of my favorite things in 2 was turning Sardinia Corsica into the new Venice as a republic. Dominating the Mediterranean with trade. And you could get up to 7 baronies per county so tall was viable.

>>712983964 (OP)
>What were they thinking?
That chinks are a huge market they want to pander to and cash in on

>>712987492
>how does a turn-based game with no graphics besides a 2D map even have performance issues
the same way rimworld does
it's not the GPU that's the issue, it's CPU bottlenecking from the ridiculous sprawl especially as a game goes on and courtiers proliferate

Why the fuck don't they just split the game into two maps? India and Central Steppe will be in both maps. No need to have it all in one game because the distances make it utterly pointless. India already in CK2 doesn't interact with anything.

>>712990656
>One of my favorite things in 2 was turning Sardinia Corsica into the new Venice as a republic. Dominating the Mediterranean with trade. And you could get up to 7 baronies per county so tall was viable.
>CK3
>you can "secure the Mediterranean" and unite islands to declare a "kingdom of the sea"
>no trade system
>the Holy Hydrophobic Khaganate of No Navy Steppeniggers arrives
>they materialize invulnerable boats out of nowhere and land a 100k death stack on your Sardinian capital uncontested
>can't fight this because you control less land and levies than them, on a fucking island
How is there still no naval and trade system

>>712983964 (OP)
Pandering to the Chinese market.

>>712988096
Yes it is you stupid fucking idiot

>>712983964 (OP)
>chinese people buy our game lol, it comes in paid monthly DLCs!

Paradox is like EA's smaller, greedier bother.

Does CK3 still not have secret societies?

>>712983964 (OP)
>What were they thinking?
They literally cannot write to save their lives. I still can't believe the romance scheme involves sneaking into your own bedroom. The gayness of the writing, the fucking Shrek meme, no one seems to respect the fact you're nobilityits all so trite and insincere.
So naturally just expand it to Asia lmao it's easier than making a good product

>>712983964 (OP)
>I can finally play Japan and form the Empire

>>712990897
>the same way rimworld

No fucking comparison man, i play both games, and the only time Rimworld starts to get weird it's when there's +500 lemmings on the map, CK3 casually peaks 70-80% CPU for just about any reason.

>>712983964 (OP)
>i9 14k overclocked
>32gb dedtated wam
>year 1100
>max speed is 1 day every 2 seconds
Its pretty bad. My condolences to the potatoes and toasters.

sunset invasion bros... how can paradox treat us like this?

>>712991082
Cheap developers basically only know how to use game engines like decorating a house in the Sims. Its why they only add superficial shit like models or map regions. Shit that you copy-paste and make tweaks to. Even ck3 is just the code of ck2 with a graphics overhaul and player models and 45% of the content cut because they probably couldn't figure it out.

Developing code that defines trade and naval parameters requires at least basic programming skills that most modern developers lack.

Maybe someone will make a mod? Thats the best chance. Paradox is on creative lifesupport. Rip.

>>712994204
Strangely they had the programming bandwidth to add an entirely new government revolving around women leaders.

Fascinating. Odd even.

Ck2 question. As an Emperor, is it worth creating titles and giving them to vassals?

>>712994445
If you're big ass and have high centralization you probably have to create kingdoms to keep it all under control.

>>712983964 (OP)
>more land for the Anglo-Saxon to conquer is a bad thing actually
Yeah okay.

>>712989081
Worse. Debug mode

>>712994445
Any king under you will have a 100% chance to rebel when your heir takes over when you die or you spend all your money and suck his dick constantly until you're 79, then you get to die and then you get to repeat the process.

Never give away king titles or let vassals create them.

>Create and keep all king titles.
>break up every duchey
>keep vassels at vassel limit
>as many counts as possible
>too big
>graduate NON FAMILY to dukes
>keep them as small as possible
>never give 1 Duke more than 1 count
>too big
>repeat but with another count

Ive taken over the entire world as India before in Ironman. Always breed for genuis and strong as quickly as possible. You can save scum Ironman by crashing the game if you make a mistake but you generally only get a 1 month window to unfuck things.

>>712996472
This seems like so much work. Might as well just get internal King's Peace.

>>712987795
Each day is a turn

>>712996472
Additionally

There's no limit on how big a duchey can get. You can give all your counts to a single duke, and he will operate like a king without the base "-80 relationship" for being a king.

And Never land family members, or you may end up with succession claims and bullshit. If they dont have land, they have to rely exclusively on allies to push a claim, and depending on when, your landed vassals will typically try to expand within your realm.

>>712996874
>Never land family members
This is really hard for me to do since I want the whole world to be ruled by my family so I give them everything I conquer.

>>712996692
>managing an empire of 127 counts and dukes across Europe, the middle east and africa is a lot of work
Yes.

>>712997130
When I want to go full hapsburg I give cousins counties and duchies since they usually dont have claims. I'll give brothers baronies if they have good traits since it borders on useless and it looks cool.

I miss ck2s features of families running off to form warbands and landing family members as nobles when playing as a merchant empire.

>>712996874
Is there a way to break up duchies outside debug or mods? Most duchies are reasonable 3~4 counties max, but there are some ridiculous duchies with like 8~9 counties.

Mercia is always a fucking bitch to deal with for example because with 9 fucking counties they're way too strong for a duke. Bohemia is another one, I always have issues with Bohemia. I wish there was a way I could just split those in half.

>>712996472
I've always found it easier to keep 3-4 kings content than it is to keep 20 - 30 dukes and counts content. all those dukes and counts keep declaring war or squeezing out a hook to declare one growing in power and its happening all over. Have 2 kingdoms at equal power close to each other and most of the time they're too chickenshit to fight each other.

>>712983964 (OP)
/v/ will complain about anything, adding the rest of asia is objectively a good thing, you dont need to buy the dlc if you dont like it

>>712997952
>Guaranteed to make the game run worse as the game has to now run the simulation for distant ching-chong lands that you will literally never interact with
>Just don't buy it bro

>>712997509
Agrees, some duchies are too powerful. Once youre in charge you can have your chancellor make claims on the counties. It takes a shit ton of time depending on the skill level but you can get lucky and wipe 1 or 2 out every 60 years. Possibly more.

>make claims on counties in duchies
>claim more than 50% iirc
>demand the land back
>will say yes if he likes you or no if not
>if no instant war and hes usually alone
>check if he has outside allies
>rarely a problem but wow it sucks if hes friends with the empire next door
>win anways

Boom you get the county. After you control enough, you'll have the prompt to take the title and dissolve or keep it.

>>712998178
>that you will literally never interact with

.. so don't enable the DLC if you dont want to interact with asia?

>>712998240
Additionally the best way to fuck a painful duchy is to give 1 county of it to a different Duke. That way, they have to fight 6 different wars to unite it, and you dont have to sit on the title. It doesn't matter if the land is contingent. You can give the Duke of wessex a county in mercia.

You rarely want to give a Duke contingent land. Make it hard for them to muster against you and hard to defend. That one's up to you tho, if you breed properly and don't make anyone too strong, you'll never have a political civil war.

>create the ROMAN Empire
>get BIG
>conquer CHINA
>ROMA INVICTA
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>712997509
Take one of the smaller duchies and then give half the counties from a big duchy to them.

If Mercia is too strong give the duke of Isle of Mann like 3 of the counties from it.

>>712997609
How do you survive the new leader malus paired with the massive "im a king" malus?

Together its like -120 relationship. Assuming you were loved it would probably be net -40 but still that's a lot of hate for someone who might control 12k troops..

Having any king for me resulted in a lot of instability thay basically you never run into if you just make a massive Duke.

>>712996748
It's really not accurate to call the game turn-based, because all "players" take their turns simultaneously.
If Crusader kings is turn based, then so is every multiplayer game, because they all run on discrete ticks.

>>712987492
CPU fuckery. You either implement shit in away that "just works" or you do it in a smart way. Guess what Paracucks did. It might not be that much of a problem if there aren't too many actors doing things at once but if you add half the world to the map, shit is bound to get worse no matter what. If you went with the "just works" approach you might have fucked up even more and performance gets fucked exponentially instead of linearly.

>>712987492
Big simulation, lots of characters and interactions, the issue is usually memory related. Late game CK3 can already push 15+gb or more. Stellaris is bad too, late game in big galaxies I've seen 20+gb being used.

>>712998830
Correct.

Call of duty is also a turn based game. Players take turns inputting commands into the server. I believe its .001 second per turn.

>>712999026
>5 objects tracking numbers
>over time
>2500 objects tracking numbers
>lag

How do we fix it?

>>712998828
Not sure I've just never had a problem with them as long as they all don't have ambitious usually 1 bribe or just hosting a feast with them keeps them under control. Getting 1 person out of the faction tends to be enough to get them to back down.

>>712999225
I havent played since 2020 since I hated the direction the game took and waited for it to improve. Maybe the king malus was reduced. It was crippling in ck2. Good because having the king titles but being punished for using them was stupid when a duke with more land should be just as angry.

>king with 1 county
>rambunctious asshole
>duke with 49 counties
>just happy to be here
Dumb.

>>712983964 (OP)
>>712987923
>5 new unique governments
>no flavour

>>712991082
I'm sure they all naval and trade stuff next year
cuz I don't know what else is left at this point.

I eventually took rome.

>>713000842
Imagine how shitty this timeline is.

>>713000842
Imagine the smell

>>713001005
Indians are aryan brahmin sir

Which country should I start my new game in? No brown countries though.

>>713001272
Wessex

>>713001005
I dont even like India, i just wanted to try the elephants. They're not much different from heavy cavalry and it was kind of cool, especially in europe but, I wouldn't do another one.

I kind of want to do a coptic kingdom but the african tech is shit and you get bodied the entire game. Even if youre stable juggling your neighbors sucks and is unfun in Ironman. You can lose hours of time just because you forgot to check a neighbor for too long and if your heir is shit youre fucked. This and the Jewish opm is pretty hard.

>>713001272
Tutorial island (britian)

Basically a scaled down version of Europe where you can learn how the political system works. Everyone's the same race and religion and there's no real outside powers... at the start...

Nords will be your first "boss" you need to beat.

Byzantium will be a close second but the political system is different and you might learn the wrong shit. For example being born in the purple overrides several succession features and its an imperial system rather than fuedal but you generally be safe from everything until the 1200s.

>>713001272
Finland.

>>712983964 (OP)
Atleast it's not Vic3

>>712999094
Turnbased chads win again

>>712999094
Analogue video games when?

>>712995278
oh so just a turbo retarded phone poster

>>712983964 (OP)
Should have split it into Crusader Kings (Europe+North Africa+Middle East+East Africa), Asian Dynasties (Everything past Persia) and African Kangz (West Africa; but nobody would buy it)

>>712998830
>because all "players" take their turns simultaneously.
There are several board games where players take turns simultaneously and those are still definitely turn-based.

>>712985186
No, it's just a backhanded disclaimer
>you cant complain about us making our CPU and RAM resource hog game even more demanding, because we've acknowledged that it is happening, gotcha. Now buy a threadripper

>>712987492
,>turn based game
>849269 characters taking a turn every in game day (multiple times per second)

I love doing what Alexander (PBUH) had intended on doing. Creating the GRECO-PERSIAN-ARABIAN-INDIAN-CHINESE EMPIRE. Also having dozens of daughter-wives.

>>712984942
yes but imagine THE CHUDDING that Japan will experience from all the Norse barbarians moving there

>>713004247
This but conquer Europe first.

>>713004247
>Greco-Roman-Persian-Chinese Empire
FVVVAAAAAAARRRRKKK