Vangaro Tactics - /v/ (#712985826) [Archived: 1062 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:09:47 PM No.712985826
vangaro tactics advance wars_thumb.jpg
vangaro tactics advance wars_thumb.jpg
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>here's your advance wars clone bro
Anyone else played the demo of vangaro tactics? It was part of the steam next fest.
I like the art direction, makes it look like a flashgame. Sadly the balance issues regarding capturing/flipping cities make me a little worried. Infantries at full HP capture cities on the same turn they begin capture. If they aren't at full HP, it takes them two turns to do so at a rate of 10 points, no matter if they're at 9 or 2 HP. I think this was introduced to correct the stally nature of games especially on AWBW where flipping certain properties even on the middle of the map takes ages but idk
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:10:39 PM No.712985856
vangaro unit rifleman
vangaro unit rifleman
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I will dump units and their prices now
Here's the rifleman or infantry equivalent
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:12:20 PM No.712985925
vangaro unit truck
vangaro unit truck
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Here's the Truck/APC
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:20:15 PM No.712986250
>>712985826 (OP)
The artstyle looks way too cheap and wasn't there another advance wars clone being made already?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:21:50 PM No.712986310
>>712985826 (OP)
https://youtu.be/appQFGgPF4c
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:22:13 PM No.712986328
>>712986250
Warside released unfinished.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:22:30 PM No.712986340
Still baffles to me the only Advance Wars clones is Wargroove 1. They even fuckes up Wargroove 2 and that one that released a couple months ago.
It can't be that difficult to make turn-based modern military game.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:24:59 PM No.712986454
>>712986340
There's also the furry one
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:25:27 PM No.712986481
>>712986340
The biggest problem I have with most AW clones is that they change too much.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:35:07 PM No.712986917
>>712986454
Wasn't that just an art concept?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:42:42 PM No.712987269
>>712986340
>It can't be that difficult to make turn-based modern military game.
I would make one, but I am incompetent.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:47:03 PM No.712987485
>>712986340
I could do it, but I dunno what I'd bring to the table that just playing on AWBW or replaying the existing AW games doesn't accomplish. That, and I've already got a project taking my time.
On a base level lot of AW is very simple, and adding or reducing stuff from it can have consequences that may not necessarily lend to a better game.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:47:43 PM No.712987524
>>712985826 (OP)
The character designs are generic, compare that to advance wars where every co has a distinct silhouette.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:49:31 PM No.712987609
3010334_ern_rg_wars
3010334_ern_rg_wars
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>>712986917
he was making it in unity but then scrapped it when unity went ultra jew
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:50:48 PM No.712987682
>>712986340
The problem is Advance Wars perfected the formula, and everyone else feels like they need to do 'something' to differentiate it.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:56:51 PM No.712987942
>>712987682
That's why I didn't change any of the "core" of the game when working on a clone. The biggest change was messing about a bit with the unit comp.

No Artillery, but Rockets are more mobile
Slower Bombers
A new Striker unit that hits hard, but takes hits poorly too.
That kind of stuff.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:13:43 PM No.712988828
Wife
Wife
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>>712986250
>wasn't there another advance wars clone being made already?
There was Wargroove in 2019 and apparently it got a sequel.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:17:56 PM No.712989068
thanks doc
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:18:51 PM No.712989121
AW clones
AW clones
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>>712985826 (OP)
There are so many clones now
one is literally called Yet another AdwanceWars Clone
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:25:52 PM No.712989495
>>712989121
Can you name games in your picture? A couple of them look interesting.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:28:54 PM No.712989648
>>712989495
Wargroove, Athena Crisis
Avante Atlantis, Warside
Tiny Metal, A.I.M.
Battle World Kronos, Field Commander
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:52:32 PM No.712990980
>>712987609
I didn't mean that one, I meant Animal Insurgent Mercenaries. In any case, that artstyle looks familiar.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:54:03 PM No.712991061
>Neon colors
>Purple and green
I'm beyond fucking sick and tired of this shit.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:54:16 PM No.712991074
>>712987609
That's the text font from Terranigma and Illusion of Gaia
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:55:18 PM No.712991147
>>712989648
Thanks. Avante Atlantis and Battle World Cronos will be on my radar for the upcoming sale.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:55:34 PM No.712991160
>>712986250
Warside ended up being dogshit.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:57:39 PM No.712991278
>>712989121
>Field Commander
I remember enjoying that game. Totally forgot about it just like every other PSP title.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:08:57 PM No.712991991
>>712985826 (OP)
It bothers me how cartoonized anime this looks
cat eye commander cat ear helmets
for some reason the skin color is green and purple on the overmap
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:10:24 PM No.712992084
>>712985826 (OP)
When someone makes another Days of Ruin like game I might be interested. I'm sick and tired of these Scrimblo Quirk Chungus reddit humor AW clones.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:17:08 PM No.712992551
Why can nobody hit the same way Advanced Wars does? The clones always fucking suck ass.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:20:40 PM No.712992837
>>712992551
They're missing the soul. Advance Wars is super simple but it's held up by the WW2 designs, CO designs & CO themes. For example, OP's game looks pretty good design unit wise, but the CO's look a bit weird and if there's no good music, it won't hold up...
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:40:44 PM No.712994647
the AWBW experience
the AWBW experience
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>it's a VB mirror episode
epic gameplay guys!
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:10:47 PM No.712997070
>>712985826 (OP)
Bump
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:33:28 PM No.712998774
>>712994647
Hawke players don't have these issues
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:38:51 PM No.712999182
>>712998774
They have other issues, namely a severe weakness to findom
I'd rather a Von Bolt mirror than having to edge for 30 turns to get off ONE COP.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:41:43 PM No.712999406
I played a couple and have few AW clones on wishlist just to monitor them but I seriously doubt that any of them will score any success - they all seems to completely missing core idea behind AW. I cannot really precise what exactly but all of them are simply not fun to play. And all suffer from one or another balance problems.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:47:13 PM No.712999858
>>712989121
Are there even enough advance wars fans to warrant this many clones? It was never the most popular series, so you mean to tell me the handful of people who played it or at least a significant percentage were all turbo autists that went into game development to get their fix? Same goes for classic paper mario
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:47:17 PM No.712999863
>>712985826 (OP)
One of these clones comes out like every six months and gets a max playercount of like 28. What gives, do AWBW fags just not want to try anything different? Do the clones all keep fucking some core feature up somehow?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:50:35 PM No.713000120
>>712999863
Wargroove has red tumblr noses and fat black women in the sequel and the negative reviews for warside all claim they fucked up the multiplayer
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:52:00 PM No.713000212
downloadfile(58)
downloadfile(58)
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I'm weird guy but I enjoyed Tiny Metal and it's expansion. Little too imbalanced difficulty (some missions are pretty hard, rest are mostly too easy) but overall fun.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:53:37 PM No.713000334
>>713000120
I thought that Warside problem was how it was released with lithany of bugs in near unplayable state.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:54:54 PM No.713000423
>>712999858
the problem is that none of these games stand out very much, let alone bein improvements.
Somehow most fail at just making appealing CO designs alone and the graphics often look cheap even though AW is just very basic but coherent design.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:55:18 PM No.713000457
>>712986250
>Earth vs Mars is so shit nobody even rembers it before a scrapped project from a furry
Yep, Relic is about to be the next studio to close doors.
https://youtu.be/Dh0Jabqmb90?si=zPoNB4BIPIKKf1Md
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:56:56 PM No.713000575
>>712999863
>max playercount of like 28
That's about 90% of all AW fans.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:01:15 PM No.713000875
>>712985856
>>712985925
>rifleman
>not Rifleman
Grim
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:02:19 PM No.713000952
>>712986250
There is Rogue Conflict but it isn't really advanced wars clone
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:05:10 PM No.713001150
>>713000875
Write feedback to the dev, it's still not out yet, just the demo. You want games to be better, right?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:14 PM No.713001217
BATTLE12
BATTLE12
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>>712989121
Battle Worlds: Kronos was more of a Battle Isle clone than an Advance Wars clone. Of course, there's similar pedigree so they end up similar but they're more like distant cousins than directly related.
>>712999858
Anon this genre is way bigger and older than Advance Wars. I think the problem with the AW clones is their creators only know or care about AW so they never look beyond it for more ideas.
At a fundamental level the Wars series concept is just "traditional turn-based operational level hex and counters wargame, except with cute anime graphics". There's about a thousand ways you could make that if you don't get hung up on the specific gameplay mechanics of the famicom wars series.
These indie game designers need more genre literacy.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:23 PM No.713001231
>>712999406
>I cannot really precise what exactly but all of them are simply not fun to play. And all suffer from one or another balance problems.
Days of Ruin perfected a lot of the balance and every time one of these clones try to deviate to make themselves unique they fuck them up. One of the biggest things is the pricing of units (especially since DoR fixed naval) and every time one of these clones tries to fuck with it they absolutely ruin the game.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:31 PM No.713001238
>>713001150
Eh, don't really care desu
Never seen my caring make any change for better
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:12:31 PM No.713001662
>>713001217
the problem with those games is they are very messy and sometimes unnecessarily complicated. Or simply unappealing.
AW is extremely simple in design. You need weeb characters and a lighthearted setting to even be successful with such a game in asia.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:14:16 PM No.713001782
>>713001238
It's a small indie game, so every piece of feedback would be (most likely) read and at least moderately reflected upon. You have a chance to make something better, even if it's something small. No reason not to.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:15:11 PM No.713001836
>>713001782
Do it for me then
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:16:53 PM No.713001947
I remember playing one with a winged crusade vs demons or something
it was actually decent, but it does the thing where you switch factions half way through and I legit didn't want to kill my bird bros
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:19:16 PM No.713002112
>>713001231
Can you give some examples? I think that Tiny Metal was almost carbon-copy in terms of prices and game was comfortable to play as a result but still, tying firepower to number of units in squad was screwing up some units instead (like how Fortress, local version of Bomber, also could fight other air units and had same firepower no matter what hp he had as he was alone. Expansion increased AA options instead, making him more like Bomber - huge firepower and price but vulnerable).
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:21:00 PM No.713002227
>>712999863
>extremely derivative fangame but much uglier

What's the appeal?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:27:55 PM No.713002721
>>713001836
I already submitted mine and deleted the demo.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:30:02 PM No.713002870
>>712985826 (OP)
I kinda like the look of this, certainly looks better than Warside.
Cartoony and goofy fits a lot more
>Infantries at full HP capture cities on the same turn
Good, maybe it'll reduce the infantry spam and make the game more fast-paced.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:40:19 PM No.713003597
>>712992551
Because it's really difficult to match the pixel art Advance Wars had in terms of quality. Everything you make will just look like smooth slop by comparison.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:44:01 PM No.713003843
933c44fd1ba7120137b5a961ddbcf99c
933c44fd1ba7120137b5a961ddbcf99c
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>>712985826 (OP)
>>here's your advance wars clone bro
This looks worse than the weird plastic 3d look the remake was going to get.
>>712988828
Fuck chucklefuck
>>712989121
I don't understand why they all have such a hard time imitating the original, I feel like it shouldn't be that hard but here we are.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:46:55 PM No.713004054
>>713003843
These clones are missing hot babes honestly. I want to see Sami & Sonja wrestling in bikinis, you gotta make girl designs that make me feel the same way
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:51:37 PM No.713004423
95469853764
95469853764
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>>712985826 (OP)
All these clones seem to be bad but then I hate AWBW's infantry spam so maybe I should just keep trying them out just so I won't need to engage with the shit maps and 10+ turns of nothing but infantry.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:55:54 PM No.713004739
>>713004423
Spoilers: They all have infantry spam. Some of them ever worse than AW.
Or they're like Wargroove 1 and you just spam a different unit which somehow ends up even worse because that unit can't even capture.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:58:15 PM No.713004920
>>713004423
Just stick to AW:DoR, that game already solved infantry spam and no one has since done it better.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:00:13 PM No.713005054
>>713003843
>why
because they can't make a 1:1 copy and the game is very simple so you have to change some shit.
The only masterclass for AW is that it has good level design. I assume most indie devs only do self testing. Every person has a blind spot for their own kind of mistakes.