who cares desu?

Thats a lie because /v/ told me no one owns a PS5 and PS5 has no games and no one watches blu rays on console

>>713013653 (OP)
Only 13 billion? In 7 years? Doesn't that seem low (not comparing to Xbox and Nintendo, just in general)

damn cod really carried the whole ps5 generation

>>713013653 (OP)
>"PS5 generation"
>look inside
>PS4, Steam, and Switch also included
?

>>713013653 (OP)
now adjust for inflation

The seething in this thread is incredible

>>713013653 (OP)
Well that's pretty easy to do when the price is 2 times higher if not 3 times for the pro version

>>713013886
Yeah, they finally hit ps5 being a larger than 50% share of users THIS YEAR. Ps4 is still like ~45%.

>>713013764
That's xbot

i guess that is because it had not too much competition and was carried by third party titles.

Even if PS has no games at least they have all of the third parties and all of the DLC propfit as well.

>>713013815
and fortnite, fifa, genshin, star rail, gta, etc. sony can make no games and still make fucking bank off faggot whales in their ecosystem. gaming is so different now than 10 years ago.

this alone probably ensures the ps6 is like $599 max just so they can keep all the whales on playstation.

>>713014138
It's because they make almost all their money from fortnite microtransactions and they're counting all ps4 revenue from 2020 onwards, including the 10 1/2 months of 2020 the ps5 wasn't even out yet, as ps5 revenue.

>>713013653 (OP)
and proves once again sales doesn't equal quality

>>713013815
Multiplats in general did.

PS5 has been a huge fuck up on the software end from sony, they are lucky their most intimate competition (xbox) is severely retarded

>>713013653 (OP)
Holy shit the entire Playstation ecosystem combined:
$382 billion revenue
$23 billion profits
Meaning the entire Playstation line, the entire ecosystem has a profitability rating of a measly 6%. 9.6% for the PS5.

That is some retail-ass profit margin. 10% is considered the LOW end of a healthy profit margin and not a single console except the PS1 managed that. 20% is considered VERY profitable.

Nintendo's profit margin is 23.81% in comparison as of last year. 3x as profitable as the entire Playstation line or 2.5x as profitable as the PS5.

>>713014217
>ps6 being cheaper than the ps5 pro
Not a CHANCE

now adjust for inflation

>>713013653 (OP)
this doesn't make sense
whatever profit they made wasn't from selling consoles or the games.

>>713014539
ps5 pro is the model for enthusiasts and whales, they still need the dolphins and minnows to buy in to their ecosystem. they can't price them out if they want their mtx money or else they'll whale on their phones instead.

>>713013653 (OP)
why is *do nothing, win* such a viable strategy

That PS+ price hike really paid off.

/v/ is wrong as usual. Sony stays winning as usual. yawn.

>>713013653 (OP)
PS4 bros...

>our bubble is very big
>our 1 game a year will carry us plz believe investors
>2+ billion in failed investments for live service flops

>>713013653 (OP)
>attachment rates in the gutter
>no momentum
>PS5 Pro was a flop
They're just making up metrics like MS.

i wonder how many shareholders are committing seppuku right now

MTX wins

>>713014697
P-PS6 will be the last Sony console, two more weeks and Sony will die

>the worst generation makes the most money
how is this a good thing?

lying this bad to get more investors

>>713013653 (OP)
>Memorable games on PS1
Crash, Spyro, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy VII
>Memorable games on PS2
Shadow of Colossus, Grand Theft Auto, God of War, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2, Okami
>Memorable games on PS3
Uncharted, The Last of Us, Dark Souls, Heavy Rain, Bioshock
>Memorable games on PS4
GTA 5, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon: Zero Dawn (before the meme), Death Stranding, Days Gone, The Witcher 3 (even considering the series was always Xbox-oriented before), Detroit: Become Human, Monster Hunter World (even if the gross of the players being on PC).
>Memorable games on PS5
...

Honestly, I'm not sure how this company is able to sell consoles at this point. I could force and put Elden Ring and Monster Hunter on the PS5, but those are a merely sequels, being spiritually or not, from older games.

>>713013653 (OP)
No one cares buy a Switch 2 DK looks insane and I can final 3D model without buuying blender or zbrush

explain how this company makes money when all the tranny slop they sell cost billions with no ROI

>>713013653 (OP)
Literally all filthy casuals paying for PS+ and muh Battle Passes in CoD + the retards paying $70+ for one (1) video game.

>>713014945
It's very clearly correlated to the low attachment rates. People are playing f2p games or their yearly copy of CoD or FIFA and whaling in them instead of buying new games. The amount of time spent playing games isn't going down, they're just focused on playing the same games instead of buying new ones.

If you're an oldfag this should sound familiar, it's similar to what happened on PC in the 00's where everyone was playing WoW, CS1.6, DotA, Runescape and Korean f2p MMOs, and a couple other valve games like L4D and TF2. No one was buying other PC games to the point where Epic abandoned PC and started making 360 games instead. It wasn't until Steam started having sales where every game was $1 to $5 where people started buying games on PC again. The cheap as fuck humble bundles where you paid 99 cents to unlock all the games helped there too.

>>713015181
>Memorable games on PS5
Concord, Forspoken, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, Destruction AllStars

>>713013653 (OP)
It only confirms that snoys have shit taste, ps5 above the rest...come on

>>713013653 (OP)
>The optimal way to run a video game platform is just to milk mexican iPad babies with CoD warzone MTX. You don't actually need to produce a single worthwhile GAME.
I was hoping this industry will crash and be reborn as something more healthy, but I guess it's not happening. 1000 year Roblox reich

>>713015776
kek, the absolute state of this industry

>>713013653 (OP)
I don't trust this guy, he's a sony shill unironically
Also why are they already talking about the ps6 then?

>>713013653 (OP)
>PS5 is Sony's most successful and profitable console
Factually untrue. Read your own pic. It doesn't say "PS5 console" it says
>PS5 generation
"PS5 generation" as per Sony's own definition includes all profits SIE earned since 2020 (unclear if it's from November 2020 or if they count entire 2020 even before PS5 launched)
That includes: PS5 hardware, PS4 hardware, PSVR2 hardware, PS Portal, peripherials, PS5 games, PS4 games, PSVR2 games, PSS catalog sales, PC ports, PS+ subscribers, microtransactions, cuts from gacha etc.
If PS5 was doing so well Sony wouldn't have to invent an entire new way to obfuscate its actual numbers.
It's like when Sony was counting PSP and Vita togerher.

It's sad when even Sonyfags get bamboozled by Sony's shadiness.

>>713015482
Problem is that shit being unsustainable in long term.

Sure you might get 5 - 10 years of money but then what? They have nothing to backup, first party is irrelevant and third party fucked off to greener fields or multiplat.

Apparently PS+ premium costs you 160 dollars a year

>>713016282
>"PS5 generation" as per Sony's own definition includes all profits SIE earned since 2020 (unclear if it's from November 2020 or if they count entire 2020 even before PS5 launched)
it can't because then the ps2 sales would cover the giant hole the ps3 left.

>>713016642
>make more money than god with PS2
>Lose everything in less than one gen

People call WiiU a failure but still made money even if was just a small bump.

I genuinely do not understand the types of people who spend money on microtransactions. It is never worth the money.

>>713016330
Look at the absolute state of Valve and Steam in general. It's just a third party storefront and Valve barely releases any games at all. Steam is doing better than ever despite that just like what's happening with Sony right now.

So it is feasibly sustainable long term as long as Xbox is dead and Nintendo keeps releasing weak hardware that keeps games off of their platform. Many normalfags are still allergic to PC and Playstation is the default console where their software library is already at. That legitimately is enough to keep people buying Playstation for their third party games, which to be fair make up about 99% of games normalfags care about. With crossplay and discord allowing cross console voice chat(outside of Nintendo's ecosystem) then they'll just stick with Playstation because they can play with their friends on PC anyway and it's a cheaper up front cost. If they're playing f2p games then they don't have to pay to use their internet, but the CoDfags and FIFAfags are getting fucking bent over and fucked in the ass by the insane PS+ pricing.

>>713016916
By no merit of its own.

>>713015181
Returnal? Astro Bot?

the ps6 will come with every brownling greatest hit preloaded

cod
fortnite
fifa
roblox
whatever

and 90% of the "people" who buy will never download another game

>>713013653 (OP)
>most successful and profitable console
>still no games
its never been more over

>>713017047
Merit? Nintendo's just not retarded and doesn't sell their shit at a loss. Their growth stalled hard in the WiiU era but they were still as fiscally savvy as ever. Love or hate them, Nintendo indisputably knows how to money.

>>713017042
Sony been getting less third party input than ever, and sony is complete slave to third parties unlike Nintendo.

MTX money is great but timed and don't cover costs alone, not mention that Sony scared away A and AA developers in favor of bloated ass big games that take decades to complete. Consoles live and die by it's catalog, Valve get away because games from 10 - 20 years ago still get sold on store.

>>713016642
There is 200+ million brazillians buying FIFA gacha on their PS4s, this didn't exist during PS3/2 era.

I like how 95% of this thread is not acknowledging the free daily revenue stream that is Playstation Plus, and Sony just jacked the price of that shit up substantially. That shit is like a bulldozer that makes Concord's losses look like a compact car, it's probably how Sony is tanking those live service failures.

>>713014217
>gaming is so different now than 10 years ago.
It really isn't. The reason why the PS3 did so poorly was because it was a bad multiplat box.

>>713017870
Playstation currently gets the most new releases(outside of PC, obviously). Especially the bigger releases than tthe normalfags care about that are usually a bit more graphically intensive than what Nintendo's systems can handle as devs become lazier and lazier and need FSR to get their games running on PS5/Series X.

The ultimate red pill about the industry is that exclusives don't matter as much anymore because the vast majority are straight up multiplats. Only first party games by Nintendo are really left as actual exclusives, Phil Spencer has gone on record saying that exclusives don't matter as much any more to draw people into an ecosystem if they're not already in it and millions have been poured into the market research to arrive at that. PCfags that waited 10 years to emulate Bloodborne on PC come to mind as people that are already in their ecosystem and aren't interested in buying a DRM box just to play a couple games. Fuck, PCfags won't even try out Epic Game Store and EGS is giving away constant free games. You can't even pay people to swap ecosystems if they're not already interested in it somewhat.

>>713013886
daniel ahmad is a fucking sony shill

>>713018215
Premium is $240 a year in some countries after the price hike.

>>713018668
Better deal still than shitendo online

>>713013653 (OP)
Yikes, all 4 xbox owners on suicide watch, reminder GTA VI and Witcher 4 are both targeting PS5 as the main platform.

>>713016916
>People call WiiU a failure but still made money even if was just a small bump.
Did it even? I thought the 3DS just kept Nintendo's business afloat until the Switch came out.

>>713013653 (OP)
All thanks to Cazzarion

>>713018404
People didn't really care about the quality of the multiplats so long as they could play them to begin with. The reason was more down to price as opposed to multiplat support. That was what helped the 360 gain a higher adoption rate (in the US, at least). Forcing you to buy your own 360 if you wanted to play online multiplayer with your friends.

>>713017042
>Many normalfags are still allergic to PC
Are they? I feel like the Steam Deck is accomplishing what people thought the "Steam Boxes" people were talking about 10~15 years ago were going to do.

>>713018215
Remember when the PS3's online being free was a big advantage it had over the 360? Haha

>>713013653 (OP)
The next Playstation will have even less games.

>>713014273
>It's because they make almost all their money from fortnite microtransactions
is that actually true? is most of their revenue from MTX?

>>713013948
Adjusting for inflation is only a thing when you want to call people poor for saying $70 games are too much

>>713016282
Man if they wait till 2030 and make this shit like 200$ they will make gaming huge again

>>713015027
>12K games
LOL

>>713019489
It's changing a bit due streamers and shit, but issue is that your run of mill retard don't know how to use a PC nor build it properly.

A simple sudo command is wizardry to most people. Consoles are mostly retard proof for most part.

>>713013764
I know you're joking but only actual genuine retards believe the "no games" meme. Nobody and I mean fucking NOBODY cares ablut exclusives. Most people buy consoles for the convenience and will buy their multiplats on console. The only thing exclusives will decide is WHICH console people go for and since Xbox have all but dipped out of the race leaving PS5 as the only actual choice of console, no shit they're seeing success.

>>713019489
>Are they? I feel like the Steam Deck is accomplishing what people thought the "Steam Boxes" people were talking about 10~15 years ago were going to do.
The Steam Deck still hasn't shifted the market in a major way sadly and you do have to mess around on protondb for some games instead of having them work out of the box which is what the normalfags want.

But the major thing holding it back is that it's not easily available to buy in stores. A Deck 2 that auto pulls from protondb, is sold in retail stores, and has better hardware so it runs more new games could sell very well. PC gaming is already much more accessible than it was 20 years ago thanks to Steam, so if that trend continues I can see some more people make the jump to a Deck 2.

>>713020048
Xbox is far more successful than Sony now either way.

>>713019021
Kill yourself retard macaco

>>713013653 (OP)
how many games were released for this thing

>>713020235
>>713015027
12000

>>713019820
Only 12,000 games? Nintendo has over 15,000!

Gacha makes a fuckton of money from retards who play those games and the PS5 has all the "big" ones. It's that simple.

>>713020595
I miss when the big publishers made actual video games

>>713017042
PCs don't work the same as consoles do. You need to sell people on the console, Nintendo does that way better than Sony ever could.

>>713020659
Well sucks to be you but big publishers don't miss not making money

>>713020235
0

>>713018623
Exclusives matter more than ever. Even Sony fanboys are tired of not getting games.

>>713019618
About 35% of revenue, and 300% of profit. As in, they'd be over $5 BILLION in the red each year without it, and probably even more by now.

>>713020235
more like how many exclusives it has left? and whats after gta6? ps6? KEK

>>713013653 (OP)
>$382B revenue
>$23B profit
>over the span of 30 years
I have to be reading this wrong
There's no way they made just this much in that span of time
That's 359 billion on operating costs alone over 30 years
How in the fuck

>>713021512
I can see why the industry pushed so hard for MTX to be a regular thing. It's just a shame it came at the cost of actual video games. Oh well at least there's some decent indie games here and there

>>713014217
>this alone probably ensures the ps6 is like $599 max just so they can keep all the whales on playstation.
I genuinely can't fathom being this retarded, a nigger on crack has more common sense than your dumb ass

Gaming is the most popular it'd ever been(well, In the corona years more so I guess, but the PS5 was available then)
It says nothing about the objective quality of the console's library(horrendous), just that it's the only current gen console that's not about to go the way of sega.

>>713020812
Nintendo doesn't get the same games, this idea that the Switch 2 will get all the games and Sony is fucked is laughable when the Switch 1 had a massive install base that trounced the PS4 and still didn't get releases because it was too weak for them. Games like Cyberpunk on Switch 2 already have performance issues, with next gen starting in 2 years that is bound to happen again where the ports just stop and Playstation is the de facto console for normalfags to play their normalfag games on.

Really, the idea that exclusives matter was contradicted years ago with the launcher wars on PC. Every company was putting out their games on a separate launcher and didn't sell their games on Steam. It didn't matter how many exclusives they had, people didn't want to use them. The majority of those launchers are dead now because of that and every single company came crawling back to Steam because once gamers have an ecosystem, it's rare that they move. Console generations are no longer a massive reset, all the games carry over. Sunk cost is now a major factor and it will only get worse as retarded normalfags buy digital copies they can't resell if they want to leave an ecosystem. The normalfag going into a Gamestop and trading in his PS5 might not have any physical games to show for it, he'd lose hundreds of dollars of digital games tied to his account if he did that. That's why he buys the PS6.

>>713016642
PS2 wasn't selling enough in 2026 to make up for the astronomical fuckup PS3 was.
You can even look at this graph made from official financial statements for entire Sony Interactive Entertainment's yearly profits. """PS3 generation""" from >>713016282 is identical.
One is in yen the other is in dollars, so there are some variations.

There wouldn't be a problem if they called it what it is: SIE's profits in the last 5 years being the biggest in history.
Trying to paint it as "PS5" despite including profits that have nothing to do with PS5 like PC sales is intentionally misleading. And that's what I suspect they wanted. Shills like Zhuge are reporting in it without explaining what's going on and that's how you end up with OP's "PS5 IS THE MOST PROFITABLE"

>>713013653 (OP)
with no games

>>713021950
It does now, retard. I don't get why you always say the same stupid shit.

>the idea that exclusives matter was contradicted years ago with the launcher wars on PC
Exclusives on PC doesn't fucking matter dude, everyone just pirates on PC.

>>713021575
>That's 359 billion on operating costs alone over 30 years
Yes, producing consoles is expensive and while selling them all generates revenue, it's not all profit since the hardware doesn't spawn from thin air, shocking I know I also once thought china and chip makers gave them to Sony for free

If they needed to increase prices of everything to keep making money why is their profit skyrocketing instead?

>>713021575
To put it another way for perspective, if we converted the entire PSX generation's revenue into straight profit, from that point onwards, SIE was essentially living paycheck to paycheck and still had to cash out a billion on top of it
That's insane, how is burning all this money justifiable

>raises price of PS+
>raises prices of their overpriced console twices
>raises price of software
>makes you even pay for the blueray reader
No wonder they made that much money. They have the best paypigs in the whole industry.

>>713014945
before you read this post the PS5 was a flop which nobody bought.
You're just wrong about everything,

>>713022302
>It does now, retard.
History is right there and you're unable to see that it's going to repeat, how sad. Game devs are getting more incompetent, you should agree with me on that. So a PS4 Pro level console getting games that barely run on a PS6 is not going to be a thing. Even games that barely run on PS5 aren't very likely, the Switch 2 has an awful CPU and most of the difficult games to run right now are CPU bound because everyone is releasing open world trash and open world games are heavily CPU bound.

>everyone just pirates on PC.
Empress stopped cracking years ago, there has been 0 people removing Denuvo since then. It's either companies fucking up and uploading a version without Denuvo onto Steam or something like Metaphor where a demo was released without Denuvo that was used to bypass the final game's encryption(Sega is putting Denuvo on their demos now so that's dead).

>>713013653 (OP)
>make a console
>make no games for it, which means no additional money input
>sit back and take a cut of all multiplats sold on it
Ez money

>>713022332
That's barely over a 5% return dude, and the majority of the profit from "the PS5 generation" came from MTX
That's ridiculously small

>>713022894
What history, the fact everyone that could port their games to Switch did and it's still happening, even exclusively on Switch/PC lol.

>Empress stopped cracking years ago
Doesn't matter when they stop paying for Denuvo all the time and 99% of everything is already cracked

>>713014465
Nintendont are omega jews that gouge the fuck out of their legion of manchildren and put profits over revenue. They are one of the highest profit % companies for that reason

>>713015181
Die zoomer

>>713015027
>>713019820
my sides

>>713022940
"Majority"? Try not only all of it, but they'd be more in the red than they were in the ps3 era without it.

>>713017117
*Also on PC
*Also on PC at a later date

>>713023509
Not that I don't believe you but I wanna see the graphs for that specifically
I wanna truly understand where is the money really coming from

>>713023063
>What history, the fact everyone that could port their games to Switch did
Yes, the issue here is that the majority of new games don't fall into that category. That's what I'm saying here. The Switch 1 outsold the PS4 like crazy, it was by far the most successful console of the generation, but it STILL stopped getting ports of big games and not just western games either, even Japanese ones when it's essentially the only console in Japan because it's sold like 8 times as much as the PS5.

If that couldn't convince people to try to make the port work, that's not going to change with the Switch 2. It's going to not get ports that it's too weak to run in the exact same way. The Switch 1 was flooded with 360/PS3 ports initially, then got some Xbox One/PS4 ports and didn't get many XSX/PS5 ports. History repeating itself means the Switch 2 gets a shit ton of PS4 ports right now, then some PS5 ports that can run, and then barely any PS6 ports.

>Doesn't matter when they stop paying for Denuvo all the time
Sega in particular stubbornly keeps Denuvo on their games so that's not a given. SMT Nocturne is still saddled with Denuvo as an example. It was also never cracked, you have to play it through a Switch 1 emulator on PC if you want to pirate it.

>>713018623
Cope.

>>713013653 (OP)
experts on /v/ said it flopped, eric

>>713023609
This is from a few years ago, and has only gotten more drastic since. They made ~$2.5 billion in profit this year. That 32% of revenue from microtransactions is from the fact that like all storefronts, psn takes a 30% cut of any transaction. So, your fortnite lootboxes, robux, genshit pulls, fifa, cod, etc. Because these are coming in from 3rd parties, they took on zero risk, while reaping 30% of the reward. $8 billion in literal free money, and they made $2.5 billion in profit that year.

>>713018623
>PCfags won't even try out Epic Game Store
Fortnite niggas beg to differ.
And guess why? E X C L U S I V E

>>713014217
All the whales are switching to PC. WuWa and Genshin have more PC whales than mobile/PS now. They're even adding features exclusively for PC.

>>713017117
Still PS5 games. The list posted above is filled with third party games

>>713023921
PCfags aren't playing it though.

>>713024083
>46% from Playstation
Paypiggy console confirmed

>>713015302
Fifa

>>713023743
This is delusional because we got SB coming, RDR2, CP2077 day one. You're just delusional.

>hen some PS5 ports that can run, and then barely any PS6 ports.
Doesn't matter when it can run 99% of games.

>>713024083
wow literally console kiddies, and groomers

>>713024083
Clearly more than the kiddie console aka nintendo

>>713024083
>Androidfags are the least gay
Damn.

>>713024083
>somehow more than the Switch even though the game isn't on Steam
yes they are

>>713024262
RDR2 is a PS4 game and SB has a fantastically optimized PC port that runs great on weak hardware. That's not really indicative of anything, the games with terrible PC ports are the ones to pay attention to. The Oblivion Remaster and MH Wilds come to mind as recent ones.

>>713019618
Think about it. PS1 and PS2 were better consoles but they didn't have paid online or digital stores or games with DLC/MTX. The PS5 is shit but it is great for monetisation.

>>713022132
>including profits that have nothing to do with PS5 like PC sales is intentionally misleading
This also factors into it lol.

>MH Wilds and Oblivion remaster on Switch 2.
How are Nintend𐐬 with refunds, or would they just eat the shit they've been fed with smiles on their faces?

>>713024083
Androidfags I kneel

>>713024489
Sony had the dream scenario with gacha, roblox. Fortnite coming out the same year as Switch and they still couldn't make a dent and that's why they're making a handheld now, they can't beat Nintendo's ips, their hybrid approach and they can't do shit about Nintendo getting everything.

>>713018623
>Playstation currently gets the most new releases(outside of PC, obviously)
So that's second place outside of three players?

>>713013653 (OP)
No surprise, ps5 has been pretty great. I’m thoroughly satisfied as a customer.

>>713025013
Good morning sir

>>713014465
>nintendo with their way overpriced tablet and $80 low effort mario shovelware that is never on sale are making bank from their cultists!
No shit.

>>713025013

>>713025312
There's no information on what Nintendo earned from Switch 2's yet, sweaty. It's all Switch 1.

>>713013653 (OP)
>Cumulative
Cute, now post individual generations

>>713013745
i do, nintendo lost.

>>713013653 (OP)
>up the price of psn
>profit increases

Thanks, Sega

>>713025674
I'm sure they're bawling their eyes out over there, wiping away the tears with all money they made from the most successful console launch ever

>>713023912
Jesus Christ

>>713026205
It wasn't successful

>>713013653 (OP)
>PS5 generation
What exactly does that mean? Also, no shit it would generate more money. With the convenience of digital sales, subscription services included on the console (no doubt Sony gets a share from Spotify, Netflix, and so on) paid online with PS+, F2P monetization practices, etc. it's no wonder it would generate more money.

That doesn't say anything about public sentiment about the actual fucking CONSOLE and brand.

>>713027603
Yeah and all the money Nintendo has ever made is fake
It's so over, bankruptcy soon