The amount of people defending Square online for charging $50 on a remaster of a 28-year-old game with less content and worse graphics is unbelievable.

>>713086613 (OP)
People love eating shit dude, it's a well established fact. I still hold some hope that they added actual new gameplay elements to this but I'm not holding my breath.

I haven't played FFT yet but i can't wait to play it on retroarch

What sucks is if you don't buy it you're sending the message you don't want a new Tactics.

>>713086613 (OP)
Still buying it.

>>713087101
Don't fool yourself. Buying it only paves the way for more remasters.

People defend Nintendo releasing the same game all the time. Remember that mario sunshine triple pack that was FPS capped even a phone emulator could play those games better.
People just love recycled slop.

>>713086613 (OP)
Unsure how they do it. Seems as if done on purpose to destroy image and attack fan base. Heck, mods are better and they are for free.

>>713087101
This is a company that completely abandoned it’s turn-based roots for action-oriented game in order to gain mass appeal, do you seriously think they’d release a new Tactics game in this day and age?

>>713087439
It’s even funnier that some people try to justify the price because there’s new text, voice acting and a new UI, mods are literally doing all that for free.

>>713086953
>>713087307
Don’t look at the steamforums for this game, it will only make you angrier with all the NPC consooms

>>713087642
New text? Like 5 new words. Mods are objectively better in any way. Before they announced details I already decide that I will play the better version. I'm not completely against remakes, even bought luct on a sale. Not perfect, far from it, but they somewhat kept the charm of the old one. Fft is like an abomination. Have you heard of mercaneries lament? It's a srpg, a cheap fft clone.

>>713087753
Hah, my eye glanced over some youtube comment in one of the trailers. There was a guy that went: "I started crying and called my wife to tell her the news". You literally cannot make that stuff up man.

>>713087101
If they actually had any intent of making more Tactics whatsoever, the remaster wouldn't be releasing in this state.

>>713086613 (OP)
The original PS1 game was 40 dollars. The PS3 and PSP/PS Vita re-release was 10 dollars. The PSP remake was 40 dollars. Arguably the PSP remake was "justified" in the sense it was a portable version of the original game in the early 2000s which we didn't have that many devices that could do it and it did add new content/cutscenes.

With all THAT said, this is a 1:1 port of the original with voice acting and changes to the script, plus the original PS1 ROM for 50 dollars was it? Yeah, no fucking way, lmao. I think what's really funny is the idea they think this is worth 50 dollars for a digital PS1 enhanced port. Fuck me that's funny.

>>713086613 (OP)
Pointless. Tactics Ogre: LUCT (which just got a fantastic port of the PSP remake) is the better game and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>713087101
>SE
>making new tactics games
lmao, put your money elsewhere

>>713088206
They must literally think PC gamers are stupid or something, “just sell it for $50 they’ll buy it anyway”. I truly hope this release fails because the company is basically calling us dumbfucks indirectly with that price.

>>713088508
Should I play Reborn? I bought it last year.

I understand the "less content" argument for sure, but lets be honest, WOTL was trash and the "content" in there was shit. The new translation was fucking awful, the extra battles delivered nothing of value. The one thing the remaster delivers that *could* be cool will be the hardmode which FFT desperately needs. Challenge runs make FFT infinitely replayable almost 30 yrs later but always lame fighting robe-wearing knights with no secondaries late in ch4. if the game is mod-friendly on top of that, im all in.

remake not a remaster since they were dumb and lost source code so they had to remake it from scratch

if you want wotl stuff you've had ports available for many years, most of its additions are awful

>>713086613 (OP)
I feel like voice acting will ruin the characters for me somewhat. I enjoyed imagining what each one sounded like instead of having it fed to me by second rate voice actors.

>>713088680
Yes. Larger maps, larger battles, and arguably better writing. IMO the only thing FFT has on it is the job system.

Why is he trying to kill FF now?

>>713088859
Japanese voice actors are top tier.

>>713088735
>but lets be honest
You first. The majority of WotL's content was optional. For the tiny rest they could have tweaked it. And no, not everything was shit.

>>713088680
Sure, but he warned that blue cards nearly break the game.

>>713088680
I heard that they cap your level in that game and that was enough for me to pass it up. It sounds inferior to the PSP remake. I hate when games level gate you. There might as well not even be levels in the game at that point. Just remove them.

>>713088843
Are they really reconstructing the game from scratch without reference or are they using the source code from WOTL as a reference? If it’s the latter then it’s a much easier thing to do and it begs the question: why not use the WOTL version to begin with?

>>713088680
Reborn is complete ass but probably the only playable version of the game out of the box.

>>713088918
>713088918
it was trash dude. the extra battles added nothing interesting. i already said i understand the argument of 'why strip it out.' but as someone who has been playing FFT since release on PSX, i could care less about WOTL. give me hard mode and give me mods.

>>713086613 (OP)
I just don't care honestly. After getting burned 2 times with Tactics Ogre remakes I just lost faith in nip remastering abilities. It's gonna be cheaply made cash grab without any long term support

>>713087101
Fuck them. I bought TO on Psp and REBORN and it was mistake

>>713089215
The PSP version is far superior to the SNES game. You're just being contrarian.

>>713089118
>it was trash dude
Your opinion, repeating it won't make it true. And I don't even care much about WotL. But what are we getting instead that's more interesting than "extra battles added nothing interesting" or "extra jobs that weren't interesting" or "animated cutscenes that weren't interesting". You generalize too much.

>>713088680
It's better than PSP version that is sup r Grundy and have plenty of dumb choices. It offer better challenge and play better. Some things are kind of meh(cards). The big problems is that they fucked up formulas and never fixed them up. Fucking nips

>>713089246
I liked the PSP version but holy shit did it have some major issues on skill, level and loot progression (crafting). Thankfully most of it an be fixed if you're emulating.

>>713088735
It get worse of the both worlds. Worl translation and no new content.

>>713089410
> The big problems is that they fucked up formulas
Wdym?

>>713089004
i don't think they have source from any version of tactics if they came out and said they didn't have any source code

>>713089296
My point is that core FFT (PSX version) was fine as it was. What FFT needs is hard mode and a more modders, not shitty fanfic-tier fluff. A job class that requires you to grind pointless random shit with JP boost on until all content is beyond trivial? More 'special' job class characters that start with no JP and trivialize easy content even in their base class? The extra algus / that sorcerer class guy were OK but really made no difference at all to the overall quality of the game.

>>713086613 (OP)
Dont care, still buying it. Don’t you people ever get tired of whining about remasters? DQ, Suikoden, Lunar, now FFT. The same whining every time.

>>713089613
>My point is that core FFT (PSX version) was fine as it was
It was
>What FFT needs is hard mode and a more modders
I don't see them doing much of those but who knows
>A job class that requires you to grind pointless random shit with JP boost on until all content is beyond trivial?
It's so what you deem "fanfic-tier fluff" doesn't take away from a player's original playthrough.
>The extra algus
Worst addition of WotL easily
>that sorcerer class guy
Was fine

Coming back, the original was ok by itself but WotL definitely had some cool optional stuff. Them not including anything but the translation is lazy. I'm sure we won't get anything for all that they didn't include.

What kind of job would you like to see in fft remaster? The obviously didn't add anything, but what if...?
I'd like hell knight, heaven knight and sword master. Unfortunately ramza still won't have great attacks, like Africas.

>>713089821
Only when you get tired of eating shit.
(see: never)

>>713089004
They said they used what they could from the iso but otherwise just did it by feel. They didn't touch WOTL at all outside of some of the FMVs.

>>713089821
Remilked

>>713090120
>>713090019
I preordered the collector edition btw

>>713089570
Known bugs: When it comes to Defender’s Resistance Modifiers, normally an attacker’s weapon damage type should be used to check which of the defender’s resistance values to use. For example, an attacker’s slashing weapon should use the defender’s slashing defense, an attacker’s crushing weapon should use the defender’s crushing defense, etc.

The bug is that for defenders, instead of using the corresponding defense values, the defense value used is dependent on the weapon used in the defender’s primary hand. For example, if the defender is wielding a hammer in their primary hand (crushing damage), their crushing resistance will always be used regardless if they are attacked by crushing, piercing, or slashing weapons. Players can abuse this by just focusing on one damage resistance type (e.g. crushing resistance for characters wielding crushing weapons).

Known bugs: Currently, spellcasters don’t get to apply any bonuses (including elemental damage bonuses) from their weapon if they are either wielding a two-handed weapon or wielding a one-handed weapon and nothing in the offhand.

This is circumvented by having another item (e.g. shields) equipped on the offhand (bonuses on the offhand will not apply). For RT-saving (and AI team builds) purposes, consider using a generic Cursed Dagger (i.e. no units sacrificed to modify the weapon) on the offhand.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q1nUEH7xD8XE-IdUpVs5qUvJSN9FECzeWQR_aRE-aEE/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0

There is more too. As well as tooltips and stats showing you they change but actually doing nothing at all.

>>713090006
>Africas
Bros…

>>713090202
Do you think that makes me mad or something?
I don't care what you do. Go "have a blast".

>>713087101
Do you think I want any game with the squareshit seal of QUALITY?

>>713090006
Some kind of Squire upgrade that can change equipment on the fly without an action penalty.
Berserker job that makes Axes shine.

>>713086613 (OP)
>>713088508
It is a better game but Reborn kinds of shit the bed with status ailments and the buff cards appearing on the board. I would day One Vision is the superior version.

>>713090274
Not my fault se changed agrias to Africas.
>>713090371
Equipment like armor? What for?
>berserker
Like in luct? They do hit hard, no doubt

>>713090505
>status ailments
Is that so? I beat the game last year, I think. Don't remember them being an issue. Me using stauts cure items is unheard of.

>>713086613 (OP)
i'm disappointed in their decision, but i'm still buying it. my copium is that modders will carry the slack, and Matsuno said this was a step in "reviving" FFT, so hopefully it means more to come. at worst i'm out 50 bucks, not really a huge amount of money and i get an updated version of one of my favorite games.

>>713089570
Evasion and accuracy were broken and everything has a 100% hit chance. You should honestly just emulate the PSP version with the one vision mod and some other QOL for maintaining unit levels

>>713086613 (OP)

Good thing I just finished playing it.

>>713087101
Good. Nu-Square would make a shit sequel that pisses on the lore/story of the previous game and ruin Tactics for me forever.

>>713090567
>Equipment like armor? What for?
Basically the re-equip support skill but buffed. Change from melee range to long range. Change accessories on the fly for immunity and resits needed.
>berserker
Mandatory Axe wielding to use most of their skillset like the Holy Knights. Probably close to Dark Knights where they do more damage the less HP they have. Could probably get the Golem Summon effect of temporary HP when they KO enemies.

>>713089246
By look maybe. KoL is the best of TO games mechanically. Also you could build, actually build generic troops in OG TO and make them better that named one.
Psp version
> Shared class system
Like wtf they were thinking

>>713090650
Devs forgot how to make enemies prioritize poison spells and other status effect attacks so enemies don't use them on you anymore. They admitted it and say it is what it is. Clown world.

>>713090650
>Me using stauts cure items is unheard of
That's exactly the issue. The AI cannot and will not use status ailments.

>>713086613 (OP)
what did War of the Lions actually add? I never played it but I know it had playable Balthier

>>713090202
Good. Somebody need to fund it. Not gonna be me

>>713086613 (OP)
That's cool, but we're getting FFT with good Japanese voice acting and more dialogue to flesh out characters (that need it) written by Matsuno, as well as a hard mode. Even if all that stuff ends up sucking, the original game is included and now we have a native PC port for modders to work with. Their pricing is too high, but otherwise it looks good. No, I don't care about the WotL content or whatever demented shitposting people do to argue about the translations because I play in Japanese.

>>713090505
>I would day One Vision is the superior version.
They all have different problems, same shit different flavour

>>713091002
Some animated cutscenes
Some new battle scenes where you play as Delita protecting Ovelia
Some new world events
Some new sidequests like Disorder in the Order and The Lord of Lionel's castle
Multiplayer, Randevous missions with new end game equipment
2 optional jobs
Balthier and Luco as recruit-able characters
Off the top of my head

>>713090929
Yeah. I paid full price for that.
It's funny that with one of the later patches they make it not working on win 7, before you just need to drop some DLL into the folder
Cunts

>>713091173
Yes but Reborn is probably the most casualized and insipid of the bunch

>>713086613 (OP)
Don’t you get it? More content would do a disservice to players old and new.

>>713086613 (OP)
>producer produces new product
>defines an asking price
>it's a value you don't agree with
Then... don't buy it.
You won't own that newly produced product, but you also won't lose value! Hooray!

>fuck you, Anon
>Square shouldn't ask money for their games!
>I'm entitled to everything!!
>For free!!!
Oh.

>>713086613 (OP)
Just play Triangle Strategy instead. It's much better.

>>713090505
One Vision is a different game at this point. Just play the PSP version and make your own cheat to balance skill exp gain as well as the 100% crafting chance cheat. Also steal OV's class exp modifier cheat and you're mostly good to go.

>>713090006
After playing WotL, I only really had two things.
>Remove Onion Knight
>Add Holy Knight
Remove Onion Knight and apply its "gets stronger on job completion" shit to Squire. Yes, my solution is to replace the clear FF3 homage with an arguably more broken FF5 homage via Freelancer. There would probably need to be a lot of balancing in that regard to make it viable.
Add Holy Knight because christ, if you're going to add in Dark Knight (which was a cool addition) you might as well just add in an opposite. For unlocking it, you could even keep the same unlocking path, just with White Mage (and maybe saving 20 people instead of killing? not sure) instead. It'd be neat to add in some Magic versions of the knights so that that side of the tree can have some secret "master everything plus Knight or Archer" to get, but I can't think of any off the top of my head that'd fit.

>>713088735
I really liked Agrias’s birthday event though. I like Agrias, and it showed Ramza’s team wasn’t all fighting and killing.

>>713091368
It's not the money that's the problem for me. It's that it's a completely wasted opportunity to do anything cool. Even a definitive edition was too much for them, and they even included Classic and Enchanted mode so it makes no sense why they barely changed anything.

>>713091368
Just as you're free to spend your money on whatever you want, I'm also free to criticize you for it since you're contributing to normalize predatory practices in this industry that are affecting everyone that's not a mindless consumerist like you.

>>713091450
You only really need the crafting chance cheat for the PSP version and that's only if you want to make crafted weapons. It's perfectly beatable without them.

>>713091368
I wish things were this easy

>>713090872
Right, I forgot that there's only one equipable weapon, lol.

>>713091432
TS wasn't that good

>>713090898
Named ones should be stronger and PSP felt way better to me mechanically. The soundtrack was also much better.

>>713090929
>boss, we forgot a key mechanic, should we...
Don't worry, our customers are scum anyway.

>>713091838
Oh it is beatable yes. But beating the whole game with a weapon skill of 4 just feels bad. You do your own thing for sure. My point is that you can easily fix the more stupid PSP stuff.

>>713091432
I despise that there aren't jobs and that there aren't mercs. Shit gaem, too much text.

>>713087101
Yeah, but if this is how they treat the series, do you really want them to make more of it this way?

>>713091201
Damn, shame this is all being left out
they did the same thing with the pixel remasters too
>advance ports add cool endgame content
>content is almost entirely disconnected from the main game so players who want an experience close as possible to the original can just ignore it
>don't include it because fuck you
do they have something against the ports or the content within?

>>713091458
Holy knight or something that adds extra damage to attacks would be great. What game has the best job system? Do you miss any mechanic? I'd like a srpg with jobs that contribute to stat growth. Especially in jrpg stats don't matter much, gear is more important. Bad game design.

>>713092048
My ninjas all had level 9/10 weapon skill by the end of the game and I did no cheating or grinding. So did my archers

>>713092604
Because those units always get to attack something due to speed+ movement or simple reach. PSP is way more fan if you don't always beat the game with ninjas and archers.

>>713092767
I did two playthroughs of the game (law and chaos) and it felt like it was superior to the SNES game in basically every way to me. I might feel differently if I replayed it a billion times.

>>713092964
I'm not arguing for the SNES version anyway...

>>713086613 (OP)
This is what the same 3 schizos shitting up every Remake/Rebirth thread wanted. Odd how they are so silent now when this game is giving them everything they wanted (and a shitty translation with voice acting!)

>>713091331
I disagree, let agree to disagree

>>713092157
None of the stuff being left out is significant at all it is nowhere near missing those cool post game dungeons in FF1 GBA

>>713093349
No, you’re clearly wrong. Let’s agree that you’re wrong.

>>713093453
Ada wrong

>>713086613 (OP)
>defending
examples to your assertion?

>>713088896
FF is vulnerable now due to bad decisions across the board. It's the best time to kill it

>>713093892
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1004640/discussions/0/594026244919570815/

>>713093453
Nah. Fuck you dumbass. Die in a ditch. Get bald. Be circumsised by a Hindu doctor.

Just play Cerabow's.

Say what you will about this remaster, at least they're not doing something stupid like turning FFT into a gacha

>>713086613 (OP)
id rather defend nortubel

>>713093349
Anon who you were replying first here. Yes we disagree but we agree on TO being better than FFT though.

>>713086613 (OP)
Not buying this slop.

Any good mods for either the PS1 or PSP version that let's you play the rendezvous maps without the multi-player shit?

>"durr so what all you're going to be missing is like what, two classes? DURRR WHO CARES DRK was broken anyways"
i hate this fucking fanbase

>>713090929
the devs did not give a single shit
their "advanced" a.i also prioritizes high hp units which you can abuse by sending dragons in with full hp potions
accuracy is also fucked as well with everything having a near 100 percent hit rate besides status moves

>>713097032
The Lion War

>>713097524
That's how I beat some fights, not ashamed at all, would do again.

>>713095903
Eh. I like TO better but all of them them(including FFT and FFTA) have it's own problems

>>713097524
Yeah. It's a fucking joke, shitty job.
Can't believe that I actually had some faith in them.

>>713097524
Their new "advanced ai" was also their excuse why they didn't add the Rogue class as a playable class. Because their card traps were too difficult to program for the enemies to use now that their ai was so "advanced"

>>713098660
I had forgotten they also removed content in TO. Fucking clowns, I might as well just stick with mods.

>>713086613 (OP)
OP is right but Im still buying it so...

this should be like 20 bucks.

>>713087543
If the money's there?

>Literally the same game but less

>>713093285
Kek, criminally underrated post.

>>713097032
What do you think he feels like?

>>713099165
warm testicles

>>713099212
Fucking kek, now I want one.

I wasn't gonna buy shit anyway. All I expected was a minimal PC port for future mods that hopefully won't need ASM hacking. They even managed to slow things down on that front with Denuvo lmao.

>>713087101
You're lucky you even got a Remaster.

>>713099407
We've been there with War of the Visions