How will this supposed Xbox/PC hybrid next gen device even work? Will it have a toggle somewhere where it can quickly switch between full on desktop Windows and the regular Xbox console UI?

What about piracy?
What about stores like Steam?

If Xbox has access to incredibly popular PC games like CS and League, I think they might actually be able to pull something off here. If they can make these PC games run on their Xbox properly, I think they might actually be able to challenge Sony again.

>>713097116 (OP)
If it has steam, I'll buy it. if not, its dead and I couldn't care less.

They don't care about piracy anymore, people just buy the games now and they sell their games on steam as well.

>>713097201
fpbp if this thing doesn't have steam it's dead in the fucking water

>>713097116 (OP)
If it has steam on windows OS it'll blow playstation out of the water. if not the franchise is fucking dead

Probably just a PC that doesn't allow you to pirate

Next generation's devices will both be desktop PC substitutes. PlayStation PC content will be locked to official hardware only for a year then available on all PCs. Xbox PC will just fully unify the Xbox brand as a PC software platform though it will continue to release games on Steam or other platforms on a case by case basis.
Both devices will be sold as PCs with gaming "modes" and marketed as better and simpler experiences than prebuilts and custom built PCs.
SKUs will vary in price from 750 dollars on the low end to 3000 dollars for the highest specs.

>>713097116 (OP)
It'll probably just be a slightly debloated version of windows with a living room UI.

Imagine a very small device like a Mac Mini or Mac Mini Studio where you can easily toggle between regular console UI and full Windows similar to entering and exiting Steam Big Picture Mode. You can easily transport a device between your living room and your desk in your room or wherever.

>>713097771
PlayStation isn't going to do anything like that. They will take the safe route as they should. I feel like Microsoft have to fucking try something else or it's over if it's not already over.

Probbably like SteamOS? Boots to console interface but you can choose an option to switch to desktop.
>What about piracy?
will always exist
>What about stores like Steam?
you'll be able to install them in desktop mode

>>713097559
PS6 can sell 40 million no problem thanks to COD/FIFA/GTA 6. Sony fanboys is at least 10-20 million or so, they're devoted. So 60 million. Xbox still has to fight an uphill battle because people will buy Switch 2 like crazy and a lot of people will still choose PS6.

>>713097116 (OP)
>The only way Xbox can win the console war is by submitting to Steam/PC Chads
kek wab

>>713097116 (OP)
you press power button and it just werks

>>713099630
PCGAWDZ must be bail out Xbox or Xbox will be kill

>>713097116 (OP)
Imagine a steam deck but with Xbox windows installed on it. People will mostly used the official OS and software but they can freely choose to side install steam, gog and Epic game store if they want.

>>713097116 (OP)
This is the final phase of Xbox where it's just turned into a generic Xbox branded PC while it will slowly fade away.

>>713097201
>>713097320
>>713097559
Why, you can get the Steam Deck for $400 and the Steam Deck is most likely going to be $550? This think will cost well over a $1000 so if you're willing to spend that much on this shit, you might as well get a PC.

>>713100319
This is not enough to convert PC gamers (back) to Xbox. PC is more than just fucking Steam or GOG. PC has a shit ton of freedom that Microsoft will need to implement in the Xbox. That shit needs to run 99% of Windows OS or it's DOA.

What it needs to be is a very compact PC that can do virtually everything a PC can, but with a dedicated button for a console UI so that it can be hooked up to a TV and be like an actual console.

>>713100572
*Steam Deck 2

I love how you Snoys and Xbots can't talk about the one red flag that will kill your shitty consoles, the price next generation. Don't expect subsidizing, these are getting sold at a profit. And with that, I must ask, why get this next gen Xboxes and PS6 over a Steam Deck 2 that will cost significantly less than both with Steam built into it?

>>713101281
You just had to ruin your own fucking post after starting out so well, didn't you? Normalfags don't give a shit about the Steam Deck. They want to buy their fucking dumb box, hook it up to the TV, and either insert a disk or buy the game from a marketplace. That's it. Not to mention that consoles are more fucking powerful than a Steam Deck. HOW THE FUCK is a Steam Deck going to run their yearly COD? HOW THE FUCK is a Steam Deck going to run their yearly FIFA?

>>713101693
Why would you spend a $1000 or more on this when you can get something cheaper, why not just get a Steam Deck 2 with the same fucking architecture for less? You still have not answer this question.

>>713097116 (OP)
It'll run on a "gaming optimized" version of Windows 11, with an option to boot into a full Windows mode. It's specifically what Microsoft is doing with that Xbox Rog Ally. According to previews Microsoft's portion of the collaboration has been developing a version of windows 11 designed to be easily navigable with gamepad controls that is only running the necessities necessary for gaming and launching the storefront launchers people would want to play games from (meaning stuff like Windows explorer and shit isn't running in this instance to cut down on the technical burden running a full instance of Windows in the backgound does compared to gaming focused OS like Steam OS) It looks like Microsoft's plan is to just take that same approach and apply it to home system. Which was something they probably should have done years ago to begin with.

>>713102153
Oh, I see, so they're trying to be Valve Steam Deck and SteamOS but worse in every way?

>>713097116 (OP)
best aspects of pc (free online and storefronts) combined with the convenience of a console?
WHERE'S THE PREORDER?
i would never build a a new pc again if xbox does this. my final upgrade to my am4 build is a 9060xt and I really do not want to build another pc

Who is even going to buy the next gen machines when they will cost like 1000 bucks?

>>713102060
I already gave you the answers. Let me ask you the questions again:

Is the Steam Deck going to run the yearly CODs? Yes or No?
Is the Steam Deck going to run the yearly FIFAs? Yes or No?
Is the Steam Deck going to run Fortnite? Yes or No?

If the answer to any of these is "no", that automatically disqualifies it from being a normalfag alternative to the PS and Xbox. Steam Deck is not in competition with home consoles. It just isn't. It's in competition with other handhelds. Why the fuck are you talking about the Steam Deck?

>>713102359
If you have a PC, there is no reason to even own this. Microsoft's own PC store gets less than the Steam Store.

>>713102495
>Is the Steam Deck 2 going to run the yearly CODs? Yes or No?
Yes
>Is the Steam Deck 2 going to run the yearly FIFAs? Yes or No?
Yes
>Is the Steam Deck 2 going to run Fortnite? Yes or No?
Switch 2 exist for this

>If the answer to any of these is "no", that automatically disqualifies it from being a normalfag alternative to the PS and Xbox. Steam Deck is not in competition with home consoles. It just isn't. It's in competition with other handhelds. Why the fuck are you talking about the Steam Deck?
It is, if you put all your shit on PC, making handhelds for game optimizations even ones that are equally as powerful as the original Steam Deck, what reason is there to get your overpriced crap when you can just play them a Steam Deck, a Steam Deck 2, a gaming Laptop, or a gaming PC? You shills are getting more retarded by the day. Xbox and PlayStation are dead and when the console wars loses exclusives, it's no longer a console wars because said console no longer exists.

>>713102508
normalfags need something to connect to their TVs, and consoles are way better for that.

>>713102897
Get a Switch 2, Get a Steam Deck 2, build a PC, or get out of gaming. most will just do that latter since they'll be priced out and Xbox consoles have been selling less each generation anyways; this will not change anything.

Everyones overthinking shit.

PS6/NextXbox are both AMD machines using Ryzen+Udna like future PCs. but that's where the similarities end. Playstation has their own APIs and FreeBSD OS. Xbox is DirectX and Windows but both are custom to the version you find on PC like Xbox 360 was DirectX 9.5 and a mishmash between XP and Vista.

>>713097116 (OP)
It won't. It's just cope. Also, even if it did, it won't make a difference. Anyone interested in a PC already owns an actual PC. No one is going to buy a $1200 Xbox just because it has Steam.

>>713103220
if the price is right
i'll buy 3

>>713103220
Xbots truly lost it, this is their final defense. Who would have thought that console wars would go from a battle of first party exclusives to fucking brand worshiping.

>>713103375
Not him, it won't be

>>713102060
>Why would you spend a $1000 or more
Next gen consoles will not start at $1000. Sony and Microsoft wouldn't ever be stupid enough to do something like that. It'll be around $600-700, which does make them more expensive. They'll get backlash for this, but people will come around and accept it. The same way people accepted the Switch pricing. They'd rather buy cheaper, weaker hardware and just make the consoles cheaper overall. Even if that means minimal graphical upgrades over the PS5/XSX. They need to get these consoles in as many hands as possible and make money from actual software sales. You don't make your next successor device 100% more expensive. You gradually up the price.

>>713102153
>It looks like Microsoft's plan is to just take that same approach and apply it to home system. Which was something they probably should have done years ago to begin with.
iirc one of the two teams developing for the original Xbox had it running a modified version of Windows 2000, but MS decided against using it

>>713103596
How are you going to subsidize the next Xbox if it's Windows, idiot? In terms of PlayStation, they're already selling the PS5 Pro for $700 with just Zen 2 RDNA 2. The PS6 is Zen 6 UDNA with 2nm, It's going to be way stronger than the Pro, that's not going to be a $100 difference with the Pro, that's either a $200 or $300 difference. Microsoft and Sony aren't really competing with one another anymore. You should expect them both to sell at a profit give Moore's Law is dead.

>>713100572
I Have a pc have a steam deck too. I use my Xbox to stream on my TV. I want the new Xbox to play steam easily on TV. Not practical to put my pc on my living room TV screen and the two monitor screen that happened with it was a nightmare

>>713106723
You can do that with a Steam Deck, a Laptop, and a desktop, the Xbox has no purpose. Stop letting Microsoft shit up gaming, they've been a cancer since they came in.

>>713107079
Steam deck on TV sucks ass, it's no switch. The dock experience is garbage. I already explained why desktop doesn't work. The Xbox just works when plugged into a TV, so show me a steam box that works fine and is basically plug and play and it'll work. Otherwise the Xbox with steam will be fine

>>713107079
Steam big picture fucking blows ass you seething chimp

>>713097559
Steam big picture mode has already existed for a decade.

>>713097296
They're actually encouraging piracy to hurt Nintendo, and to a lesser extent Sony

>>713107405
Then get a Switch 2, gaming was never meant to be a home theater, it was a virtual computer toy.

>>713097116 (OP)
>How will this supposed Xbox/PC hybrid next gen device even work? Will it have a toggle somewhere where it can quickly switch between full on desktop Windows and the regular Xbox console UI?
It'll probably be an Xbox frontend to accommodate purchased shit, with API to link other PC stores (Steam, Epic, etc.) and install their games, which will run in a container. Hell, Xbox runs games in a container.

>What about piracy?
Won't be a problem for the Xbox/MS Store side of things with this setup. That's really all they care about.
Just be ready for "full back-compat" to be whatever you purchased on their store, and not physical discs.

>>713107580
>spend 900 dollars for a shitty user experience
>pay 550 dollars for a plug and play easily portable gaming device

>>713107580
steam big picture mode is hyper dogshit compared to even the xbox console ui to this day. sbp is way better than it was when it first launched, but it's still junk in comparison

>>713111710
Not him but you don't think Valve won't update that shit way before Microsoft's shitty next gen console gets released.

>>713111710
>>713111992
Steam Big Picture will forever be dogshit on Windows because it's a chromium webshit app. It's not valves fault it's Microsoft. With SteamOS the big picture mode is part of the dwm/kernel called Gamescope.

>>713111992
i think you and others on this board might take valve too seriously. valve has had a decade or more to sort sbp, and it still sucks

i don't think an xbox hybrid ui is going to light a fire under valve's asses to get better, no

>>713112160
>Steam Big Picture will forever be dogshit on Windows because it's a chromium webshit app. It's not valves fault it's Microsoft.
nah that's cope, multi-billion dollar company can be better, they just choose not to. steam as an installed program is still shit, they don't care.

>>713097559
>If it has steam on windows OS it'll blow playstation out of the water
not if it's going to be close to $1000

if it has steam sony would be retarded not to remove every sony game from steam

>>713112607
Microsoft won't let anyone replace the dwm. Anything you run on Windows is limited to a win32 garbage app or webshit react/edge/chrome.

>>713112870
that doesn't matter much, valve still has the resources and money to make it better on windows and they choose not to

>>713112765
Sweet a Sony suicide arc

>>713097116 (OP)
>>713097201
>>713097320
Let's explain it to third worlders South Americans, Southeast Asian, Indians, Eastern Europeans.
Console manufactured at a loss, the company hopes to get people to buy online subscription or buy games to become a positive. If you buy a PS5 and PS+ subscription, you're already making money for Sony. Or if you buy 2 games, especially digital or microtransactions. Still with me TURD WORLDERS who can't afford PCs or consoles?

What happens to Microsoft's business if they sell a CONSOLE PC hybrid that can launch Steam, effectively shooting their own foot so no one pays for online subscriptions anymore? Piracy too since they can just boot into Windows. What about the 30% share that Valve gets from Steam games sold, do you think Gabe Newell will say "Microsoft, take 5% of our 30% cut". Valve who is currently selling the Steam Deck btw, they have hardware they want to sell.

And 3rd worlders are like "yeah, this business plan makes sense. 500 dollars too, right". A 500 dollar prebuilt PC would be dogshit today. The Xbox Series X 2TB is a 730 dollars console and all digital. This isn't a charity for you third worlders SEA South America India East European monkeys, GamePass did such profound damage they have to put games on Playstation and Nintendo since Xbox's very tiny userbase can't even sustain the Phil Spencer master plan of renting hellscape.

>>713112765
>we can still win
I'm glad Xbox and PlayStation are dying, you console warriors are retarded.

>>713100319
>Imagine a steam deck but with Xbox windows installed on it
No. handhelds are poo poo.

>>713113212
Third parties like EA who spend money on making an Xbox port, only to see Xbox PC hybrid owners buy from Steam or pirate, how's that for good business? Gabe Newell would prefer you buy from him, without Microsoft middleman. Gabe Newell would also like you to buy a Steam Deck, not Xbox PC hybrid. All of Xbox Hybrid PC talkers are the dumbest shitstains of the internet. Valve didn't even lower their 30% cut with EpicStore lawsuit in their face, what makes you 3rd world parasites think Gabe Newell wants to share what Xbox PC hybrid buy from their Steam store with Microsoft's dying platform?

To Gabe Microsoft is just another publisher, who gives a shit. Xbox as a brand has been so down that you people genuinely believe they can strong arm Nintendo and Sony to put their games on Xbox PC hybrid or that GAbe has incentive to help them.

>>713113362
So true NVIDIA /r/pcmr warring sister! Slay $2000 GPUs and $900 entry level 16GB graphic cards! PC market so alive today! What vegan lunch did you have to day transister?

>>713113583
>he thinks I'm defending expensive PCs
The future of gaming is the Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2. Gaming is condensing.

The price of a 4K capable GPU is close to 500-600 dollars. The price of a current era CPU that's you know, not dogshit, is close to 400 dollars. Check your Microcenter for deals. AMD low budget isn't that low anymore, costs went up. So for 3 basic computer components to build a console that's respectable, not even high end, you're at 1000 dollars between the CPU/Motherboard/GPU. And third worlders think Microsoft will do this at 500 dollars so that you don't pay them for online when you run off to Steam and give Gabe Newell money or you pirate.

Makes sense in my third world SEA India Eastern European Brazilian mind! Gabe Newell desperately wants you to buy their competitor's platform and not the Steam Deck and Ubisoft enjoys spending money on making 3rd party ports for Microsoft so that everyone runs off to Steam to buy those ports (which 0% Valve shares with Microsoft). All checks out in my turdie brain!