I'm looking to play some good JRPGs and finally have the genre click, but I can't find what I want
I want well made action gameplay or at least engaging and thoughtful turn based gameplay, but every JRPG I've tried is so mindless, despite the usually excellent presentation
Basically, what JRPGs are actually challenging, satisfying and doesn't waste my time with grinding or battle transitions constantly?

>>713144164 (OP)
>Basically, what JRPGs are actually challenging, satisfying and doesn't waste my time with grinding or battle transitions constantly?
I don't think you actually want to play a JRPG then

>>713144164 (OP)
see, you say "grind" but you also say "actually challenging"
you don't seem to understand that because you grinded, you enabled journalist difficulty

if it's made past the 80s then generally grinding is your difficulty slider, not a requirement

>>713144192
I do, I'm pretty sure, but I've tried a lot of the classics and really bounced off them hard
FF VII and VIII were especially bad, Dragon Quest V was snooze inducing, tried some various SMT games but they were easy once you learnt the elemental and fusion systems

>>713144351
>ff, dq, smtslop
lmao

>>713144340
I don't deliberately grind, but I go through an area and get a ton of battles, so naturally I level up fast
That ties into my other point, going through areas then interrupted with the battle transition then the exit transition just kills my enjoyment

>>713144164 (OP)
The genre is shit. Seriously, everything you want from it you can get better elsewhere. Don't try and force it. Why not play a nice point & click, fightan game, or RTS instead? Plenty of better genres you no doubt have barely tried.

>>713144431
almost every game has "run"
don't know what to tell you about the battle transition thing, can't work around person hangups, you just are irritable i guess

>>713144428
That's what I heard some of the best JRPGs were anontachisamadono...

I don't think you actually like jrpgs.
It's like you're saying "oh I love looter arpgs but I actually hate having to kill so many mobs to find some good loot once in a blue moon so I just stop playing them". Same inverted dick energy, bro.

>>713144164 (OP)
You're essentially asking for FF7 Remake/Rebirth but you're not going to play them because you're going to be caught by the hive mind meme that they're somehow bad games.

>>713144542
I just want to play the game, not watch a screen shatter into glass a million times to then spam attack on some fucking 5hp slime

>>713144640
I'm a bit wary to play them because I haven't played the original and I heard remake changes stuff

>>713144164 (OP)
Legend of Legaia fits all your criteria. Don't use a guide. Good luck.

>>713144192
retard

>>713144742
Play the original first. The modern versions of the original actually have speed ups and stuff to make the game go faster. It's a short playthrough. Like 15-20 hours.

Then the remakes are right there. I definitely think it's what you're looking for.

>>713144164 (OP)
Just about all jrpgs have grinding and battles that's kind of a fundamental part.
In Wild Arms you have a limited ability to skip some common battles before they start and battles with low level enemies, but you'll still ultimately need xp to progress.
Some of the tales games show enemies on the map before fights start so if you're good at hoping and weaving around you can avoid them.

I think some of the Atelier games let you skip fight with weak enemies too.

>>713144620
No, those are the popular ones. They're all bottom of the barrel. SMT is about as low as you can go. Kusoge shovelware coming from nis and compile heart is an improvement over it.

>>713144675
What do you mean you want to play the game and then you complain about the game play? Do you enjoy walking around an overworld and talking to NPCs?

Maybe some zoomer-core game like Undertale is more for your tastes, OP.
But if you want the definitive JRPG, play SMT: Strange Journey.

>>713145065
OK so what's some utter KINO to try?
>>713145085
Watching the transition, then simply spamming attack then another transition isn't gameplay

>>713144620
They're just the most famous normies don't actually like jrpgs and don't play any of the good ones, it's like how Naruto and One Piece are the top anime even though they suck.

Real top RPGs are:
Skies of Arcadia
Suikoden
Star Ocean
Wild Arms
Ar Tonelico
Mana Khemia
Atelier Iris
Tales series (if in doubt i'd start with Symphonia)

>>713145118
Maybe make it past the tutorial. I'll do you a favor and suggest you the Bravely Default games since they let you completely turn off random encounters so you never have to worry about the screen transition have fun with your game play.

>tales
>good

Persona 4

>>713144164 (OP)
>I want a jrpg
>I wanr action gameplay
Gettin mixed signals here, boss

>>713144164 (OP)
chrono trigger

>>713145472
They're overhyped today, since the bar is so low but the old ones are still better than dragon quest and basically all FF games aside from 7 and 9.

>>713145628
and 2

>>713145579
>toriyamashit

>>713144164 (OP)
>Basically, what JRPGs are actually challenging, satisfying and doesn't waste my time with grinding or battle transitions constantly?
Romancing SaGa 2
Black Souls 2
Crystal Project
Expedition 33

There is some grinding involved, especially if you get your main party wiped, but Wizardry games feel very satisfying to play.

>>713147193
I said JRPG not FRPG