Thread 713155547

7/10

+3

>>713155623
>literally zero replay value
yea no

>>713155685
The game being incredibly good is the replay value

>>713155685
Amazing bait, I almost fell for it. Have a (You).

>>713155547 (OP)
fair enough. I'd say 8.

>>713155868
And what do you replay the game for, retard
There is no new enemy placement
There is no new or remixed item placement
Enemies do not get new tricks
>endings
lol

>>713156069
>games cannot go higher than 7 if they don't have replay value
will be stealing this bait for my own Sekiro thread in the future

>>713156102
Answer the questions, subhuman

>>713156127
No I've already got your bait idea for later use

>>713155547 (OP)
I picked this up the other day, but I suck and after 5 hours I gave up. 7 or 8 out of 10 game. I just wish it had a slightly easier difficulty.
The samurai boss after the first enranged ogre thing beat me repeatedly. It's a shame because the setting is great.

>>713156202
>fromdrone can't answer a simple question
>runs away
lmao

>>713156242
I'm still here I just refuse to answer you

>>713156069
Alright, I'll bite. The most obvious example of replay value is doing a charmless run, which forces you to git gud.
But what use have you been giving to the prosthetic tools and to the combat arts? You can try getting intimate with them to use them in combat for a very different experience than just counter tools, or to disregard them completely and play without any of them (it is very doable). There are all these different options, and deciding how to use them makes for very different experiences. Would you say that the Dark Souls games have no replay value, because the enemies and bosses don't have any changes?
>oh but classes and rpg stats and different weapons
So you can see no difference between different tools unless the game locks them behind specific stats?

>>713156206
You already done the hard part, game becomes amazing when it clicks, try playing more offensive, enemies will guard attacks which means its safe-ish and works towards killing them instead of spam dodge/parry

>>713155823
No. One you've figured out cling clang it stops being fun. Every encounter is the same unless you go out of your way to make them different. I like replaying games a lot but this game has no replay value.

>>713156206
Typical experience for 80% of players with every from shitware game.

The combat is not fun. Hard=/=fun. I don’t know their games get hyped.

>>713156591
It actually has a lot of replay value by the metric of it being incredibly good

>>713156464
>The most obvious example of replay value is doing a charmless run, which forces you to git gud
Wow you take cheap damage unless you perfect guard, which literally has no downsides since you have tons of hp. Everything else remains the same, except enemies dropping more resources which is also useless. Weak excuse ngl
>But what use have you been giving to the prosthetic tools and to the combat arts?
95% of them are useless shit and require very specific setup, like spear pull against headless ape in a second phase. Not worth a replay
>Would you say that the Dark Souls games have no replay value, because the enemies and bosses don't have any changes?
Correct. I still laugh at retards who unironically boast about their ng1488+ walkthrough of elden fart/ds

>>713156332
Your call, subhuman.

>>713156660
Nah, replay value relies on something not becoming monotonous. If you've beaten a boss once you'll know pretty much exactly what it'll be like to beat him again.

>>713156591
This
>>713156642
Fromdrones don't really have any standards, do they?

>>713155547 (OP)
7/10 is a good score

>>713155547 (OP)
I just recently ""beat it"". by that I mean I got to the demon of hatred and gave up. Ive seen all the areas, I know who the last boss is and all the different endings.

why am I like this.

>And what do you rewatch a film for, retard
>There is no new characters
>There is no new or remixed scenes
>Characters take the same actions
lol

>sekiro is a moviegame
do kekirofags really

I just played it this year and i thought it was a 10/10. specifically for the visuals, I get a hard on for feudal japan and this has to be the most beautiful depiction of it Ive ever seen. but I also enjoyed the combat way more than rollslop games.

Roguelikes ruined the perception of the replayability argument.

>>713155623
/thread

From shitware players can never tell you why these games are good. They will just tell you that you suck and that’s why you don’t think they’re good.

QTEkiro

>retarded shitposter fails to comprehend basic analogy
lol

>>713156938
This game is a depiction of feudal Japan like Skyrim is a depiction of ancient Germany

>retarded fromdrone compares different forms of media
I always knew fromdrones have room temp iq

>>713156830
Because Demon of Hatred is the hardest and most bullshit boss in the game. But goddamn it felt good to beat him.

>>713156830
terminal autism probably

>>713157032
yes Im aware there was no 20 feet tall headless apes in feudal japan or underground cities with 100 feet buddha statues but thank you anon. its still gorgeous

>>713157101
theres been countless games over the years where I reach the last save point and just stop playing it and I have no idea why

maybe because its more about the journey than the destination and I dont want the game to end? but that doesnt make sense either cause I stop playing it anyway. yeah Im probably just retarded and autistic

>>713155547 (OP)
>Death Stranding GOTY was robbed by this shit nobody talks about anymore because journofags had their mouth full with Miyahacki's unwashed 2 inch ching chang pp at that time
Grim

>>713157316
>and I have no idea why
You are busy irl or just want to try a new game and so you forget about your last one or you are just autistic

>>713155685
Replay value is and always has been a meme.

>>713157417
No

Sekiro is really weird for me, it should be a game I like, I played and enjoyed most of From's games, except Echo Night, fuck that, I loved Tenchu, I love stealth games, I love action games with reactive parry, etc...
Yet the game just doesn't click for me.

>>713156069
>enemy placement
>item placement
>new tricks
Entirely irrelevant.
>endings
More than enough reason for a new playthrough.

>>713157376
dont worry cause kojima will get rightfully mogged and raped again by e33 this year.

>>713157486
>stealth
Bruh, kekiro literally has asscreed tier stealth. I mean even dogshit splinter cell games like conviction or blacklist have better stealth than this

I really dont get the "no replay value" meme. there are 4 different endings, a bunch of different skills and prosthetics you can try out, a ton of easily missable NPC quests, and new difficulty options. I immediately jumped into NG+ just cause I wanted to see how much better i was at the game the second time around.

>>713157376
Death Stranding is the game nobody actually cares and talks about though?

>>713156642
>The combat is not fun
It is though. Your opinion is wrong.

>>713157492
>Entirely irrelevant.
wrong
>More than enough reason for a new playthrough
>2 out 3 of end the same way, with some fetch (((quests))) added and duo "boss" which is just reused guardian ape bossfight
The absolute state.

>>713156750
>replay value relies on something not becoming monotonous
I see people praising RE4 for having great replay value all the time and that game is exactly the same every time as well.

>>713157086
My room temp is 140. What’s your excuse?

>>713155547 (OP)
More like 6/10 in its current state
Absolutely godawful design and balancing of anything that is not an r1, deflect and mikiri. Terrible balance of prosthetics, even worse design of combat arts, all made even worse by the fact Spirit Emblems exist. All issues are even worse if you're doing charmless + bell demon, it exposes just how little thought went into balancing of everything and most prosthetics lose any combat supplement role beyond being glorified hard counters for 2-3 enemies.
Very linear level design. Not even grappling hook saves it, most levels are excessively straightforward and grappling hook points are very controlled everywhere except for late game Ashina Castle.
Terrible rewards for exploration. No, i don't need another 10 ceramic shards for finding a well-hidden nook. This feeds another issue - a bad design of consumables in general, with tons of blatantly useless shit with only a few exceptions.
Broken, easily abusable stealth. Thanks to stealth sugar you can go around on a massive genocide spree and enemy AI is too retarded to notice anything.

>>713157376
I rather take an honest man over one with an ego the size of jupiter and a fetish for putting Hollywood into games.

>>713156874
To be fair, rewatching movies is entirely pointless.

>>713157546
doesn't matter to the point, I like all the pieces that compose the game but the sum of the parts just doesn't work for me that's all I'm trying to say.

>>713155685
Unironically more replay value than elden ring despite forcing you to play in one specific way.

>>713157506
that would be even more hilarious since it's parryslop too

>>713157574
>quests
LMAO
>new difficulty options.
>enemy hits really hard this time (bell), you take damage unless you perfect guard (charm)
My laughter is cacophonous

>>713157685
Fuck off agni

For all the retards in this thread that don't understand art, there's always Nioh.

>>713157316
>maybe because its more about the journey than the destination
This has always been cope by 19 year olds who have no goal in life other than getting high and laid. If you didn't reach the end, the journey was pointless.

>hmm mabye i should replay [insert game here]
>the exact moment i have this thought some jerk on 4chins posts that its a 7/10
>this happens literally every time
are you guys reading my mind or something?????

>>713157690
Based

>>713157785
Nioh is like sekiro if it was a fun replayable game

>>713157376
Sekiro is one of the best games ever made. Death Stranding is just some game that at best serves as meme material.

>>713157785
>Nioh
Autism spectrum game.

>>713157785
>action game
Yay
>plagued by soulslop and diablo elements
Yeah, no

Nioh mogs KIkeiro in both gameplay and story

>>713157451
Yes. A game needs to be good once, anything more is a nice bonus but not required at all. People replayed old Mario games all the time purely because it was fun, there is no "reason" to replay those either.

>>713157898
This is probably true if you are retarded.

>>713155547 (OP)
From and team ninja should team up for a game

It was more a noting than fun. I remember having some fun here or there. But it didn't feel like I was having fun. I beat it, just to get it done with. It was like a chore. Never care to beat it again.

>>713157949
This place will blow up into pieces if that happens.

>>713157949
If only fromsoft handles level design

>>713157745
Explain why quests and endings don't count as replay value.

>>713157991
Fromsoft's attention to detail and aesthetics with team ninja linear gameplay would be my dream game

>>713158072
Yeah but you still replaying those in several new game cycles with new mechanics

>>713156206
there's a merchant near that sells the firecracker prosthetic
pick that up and the game becomes much easier

>>713158072
You think modern Fromsoft is good at that anymore? The levels in Sekiro were uninspired and boring. Lmao

>>713158083
Because these are not quests
2 out 3 additional endings are no different than default ending, except dome busywork

Shura ending is the only ending that is worth a playthrough since it adds 2 new bosses

>>713157949
Don't think it would work. From is (or used to be before elden slop) all about 'less is more' and a focused experience while team ninja loves giving player options and looks for a 'how many ways can we make this fun' approach.

>>713157990
>i had fun but it didn't feel like i had fun
The absolute state of the "arguments" you brainrotten contrarians have to pull out of your assholes to pretend to have something bad to say about a great game. Absolutely fucking embarrassing.

>>713155547 (OP)
The mood, aesthetics and curated experience of the game made me forget that every fight basically went down the same way with little to no variation. Somehow it's my favourite from game.

>>713158175
>You think modern Fromsoft is good at that anymore
Yeah. Despite my grievances with Elden Fart I do admit that Fromsoft handles visual level design pretty well

>>713155547 (OP)
>7/10
But enough about u r mom's dick sucking skills LOL

>>713157670
There's a lot more going on RE4 than there is in Sekiro. For one, there's more than one weapon.

Posting Fromsoft here is just a no no trigger word for /v/. It's nothing but a black hole of negativity for these threads with no end.

>>713158358
What about ac6

>>713158192
>i had fun but it didn't feel like i had fun
Unless a game is always fun it will feel like that and a lot of Sekiro is rather boring.

>>713158358
DeS and DS1 threads get lots of circlejerking thoughbeit

>>713158331
And yet, it is the same every time.

>>713158442
There is not a single second in Sekiro that is boring.

>>713158438
invisible
>>713158475
It's just autism pick aparts spam since boomers played them to death. I'm tired of them.
Why bring more attention to something you hate? Why not do something more productive with your time and post a rare Nioh thread?

>>713156069
>And what do you replay the game for, retard
it's fun
the final boss, charmless, with the demon bell, and at ng+2 (I think; regular run, charmless, charmless + demon bell), made my soul leave my body
I was in a fugue state
I was no longer in control of my body. my lizard brain took over and I just sat back and watched
amazing feeling
I never have to git gud as hard as I did in this game. I loved it

>>713158519
Not in the same way that Sekiro bosses are always the same. There's a lot more variation in encounters in RE games, there's limited resources to contend with, enemies will behave differently, there's loads of weapons to try on different enemies, etc.
>>713158558
Everything outside of the bosses is boring.

>>713155547 (OP)
>you play it 2 times for the ending, then you drop it forever
It's a 5.5/10
For references
Demon Soul: 6/10
Dark Souls: 7/10
Dark Souls 2: 9/10
Bloodborne: 10/10
Dark Souls 3: 9'5/10
Elden ring: 5.5/10

>>713158689
Go back
>gushing about final boss hitting really really really hard
oof

The bad thing about replays is just running past everything again and the screen monkeys, albeit there's an easy to learn trick for speedrunning them.

>>713158792
YWNBAW

>>713158792
DS3faggots always have terrible taste

>>713158804
I'm sorry anon
sometimes games are fun and people enjoy them

>>713158906
>enjoy bad games
Ok
go back

>>713159071
>4chan is for people who think 10/10 games like Sekiro are bad
Delusional weirdo.

>>713158861
>>713158872
It's so easy to spot who is a Sekirobab that started with this rythm game for girls:
>0 arguments
>DS3 bad (when I gave BB a better note)
>"Ackshually Sekiro is fun and it's not that I like It because I'm an unironic weaboo"
>"Yeah, 80% of the bosses are reused and the final boss is slave knight Artorias, but Elden Ring reuses bosses too"
>"What do you mean that Sekiro birthed the cancer that is nightreign? That's not true"
Even the people that had fun like >>713158689 had to turbonerf themselves because the game played normaly is piss easy.

>play Sekiro
>beat most bosses in 3 to 5 tries
>play Elden Ring
>die 100+ times against some bosses
What causes this

>>713159263
I am a DS1GOD and you will KNEEL before me 3swine

>>713159187
>10/10 games like Sekiro
>delusional
The irony
>>713159185
>quirky twatter pic
Go back

>>713159389
didnt level VIG

>>713159389
youre probably good at games but missed out on how you should get more powerful in elden ring that is more rpg-ey

>>713159389
spastic boss design

>>713159391
My dude, DS1 is too easy... pyromancies and magic make the game literally a cakewalk, even in a lvl 1 run. I guess that the athmosphere of the game IS better that 2 or 3 and that the world is fantastic but the pve is piss easy and the pvp pure cancer.

>>713158792
Garbage rating especially everything after Dark Souls 1 being somehow better.

>>713155547 (OP)
I'm weird. It's the only fromsoft game I finished and liked lol

>>713156642
Sekiro isn't hard. Its hard at first because you actually need to learn how to play it and gamers have an innate dislike of learning or challenge. Once you learn how to play the game its easy.

>>713155623
based

>>713159497
Difficulty nor pvp isn't the draw for me in games. I like DS1 the most because it offers the best NG replayability.
2 and 3 have better NG+ replayability however

>>713159695
I really like NG replaying in 1 and 2 alike
I havent played elden ring but it feels perfect for NG based on what i hear of it, if not for the 100h+ runtime

>>713159795
Elden ring is exhausting to replay or ng+

>>713159795
Elden Ring is a game you play once then never boot up ever again.

>>713159859
>>713159906
These. Unless you're a streamer doing some challenge run, this game is just too boring to play again once you've seen what it has to offer

>>713159623
Same. It's also the only FromSoft game I 100%ed. I wanna do the same with Elden Ring, but that game is just exhausting.

>>713160130
For me it's sekiro and ac6. Was never into mech games but ac6 was a fun ride

>>713160017
You know you don't have to explore everything, right? I've replayed it a few times, and some of those were just boss rush mode going from remembrance to remembrance because the fights are fun.

>>713159906
Bullshit. I've replayed ER with different builds and weapons like 10 times and it's extremely fun.

>>713160305
Sounds like Nightreign but without the better gameplay.

>>713160380
Can’t imagine doing this. The game is oppressively lengthy.

>>713159478
I've been having fun with Nightreign, but holy fuck have they turned the boss spasticity knob up to 11. When you have bosses from every Dark Souls game, Elden Ring, and post-Elden Ring all squished into the same game, the contrast is incredible.

>>713155547 (OP)
This is not the Stellar Blade thread.

>>713157853
Shame Team Ninja can't design fun enemies and varied bosses to save their lives

>>713159389
Skill issue. Or you just didn't understand how to play Elden Ring and still think that it's the same Dark Souls where all you need to succeed is to hit the boss in the back with a basic r1 once a minute. Elden Ring really likes to punish such players.
This is a game where you are meant to mercilessly, harshly, one-sidedly destroy any bosses after 30 minutes of progress. They are weak, you are strong. You do more damage than they do, you have more HP and infinite poise, unlike them. The only reason they kill you is that you give them the initiative. In the whole game there are only 2 bosses where you are actually forced to calm down and play passively, enduring their shit and waiting for a window to attack, and they are all locked in DLC. All other bosses are easily defeated with the most aggressive approach.

>>713161076
>In the whole game there are only 2 bosses where you are actually forced to calm down and play passively, enduring their shit and waiting for a window to attack, and they are all locked in DLC.
Consort Radahn and MIDra?

I cannot believe the amount of anons trying to defend the replayability of this game and not finding the right words.

Why should you replay Sekiro? It's obvious. You unlock a new perspective of the game, you are the wolf now, you know everything about the enemies, their attacks, the maps... You move like a shadow.
By the time you finish the game for the first time you've fought Genichiro so many times you know him like the palm of your hand.
And when you start a NG+ who's the first one to greet you? Genichiro, and you beat the fuck out him this time around. And that's when it all makes sense.

>>713161076
>Dark Souls where all you need to succeed is to hit the boss in the back with a basic r1 once a minute.
The way elden ring works is you now spam jump attacks against bosses which clears everything

>>713159389
Sekiro bosses don't have much unnatural delays on their attacks designs specifically to trick the player into rolling too early.

>>713160802
Most are incredibly fun, don't know what to tell you.

>>713161196
So you replay it because you can now breeze through it? That doesn't sound very fun

>>713161076
If you're using:

>Summons
>Buffs
>Spells
>Levels for your character
>Levels for your weapons
>Ashes of wars
>...

You're playing the game wrong and you didn't finish the game.

Also, as it happens, if you're NOT using:

>Summons
>Buffs
>Spells
>Levels for your character
>Levels for your weapons
>Ashes of wars
>...

Game is too hard :((

Fuck you FROM fix your game why is your game hard if I ignore all the mechanics

>>713161296
... Hm yes... perhaps add more roguelike mechanics next time

>>713161493
Perhaps even a permadeath hmm

>>713161150
Radahn and Gaius, actually. At least for me. I cleared the DLC with different builds 5 times and died to Midra 2 or 3 times, he just has too little HP and too little poise. He's one of the best examples of bosses who are a pain in the ass to fight if you give him initiative, and a mob-tier trash enemy if you play super aggressively. Gaius was the one who managed to make me remember his entire moveset and the correct timings and roll directions to avoid all his attacks, he has too much HP and attack.

>>713161493
Sekiro Nightreign would be cool

>>713161626
Nah, Gaius is a great boss and you most definetly are incentivized in jumping and attacking while he charges. He's also full of attacks that straight up whiff if you got hands and can actually move. Him being a tank is necessary
Midra on the other hand, vindicates the massive evolution that is Elden Ring boss design by being a shitty turn based boss, which is why it was a shitter favourite.

>>713155685
>>713155547 (OP)
>>713156591

>>713156206
sleep on it and come back tomorrow

>>713155547 (OP)
It's the best Souls game

>>713161203
>jump attacks
its funny that they didnt fix this in nightreign

>>713156642
The combat is not hard, you're just a drooling retard.

>>713157817
we are in your walls

>>713162145
I never said he was a bad boss, wtf are you even talking about? This is one of my favorite fights in the DLC, and your webm clearly confirms my words about the need for perfect knowledge of the moveset and the right directions to avoid attacks. Midra is not a boss at all. If he somehow made more than 5 attacks before being killed, then you are clearly doing something wrong.

>>713155547 (OP)
If this is 7/10, what is 8? or 9 or even 10? if you say an inferior game is better you are gay btw

>>713156827
its a great score, and its even better than OP thinks

>>713157690
didnt read but that webm makes me wanna play again

>>713158770
>There's a lot more variation in encounters in RE games
No there isn't.
>Everything outside of the bosses is boring
Wrong

>>713160570
I genuinely cannot tell what is going on on my screen when I'm fighting giganigga Adel, he was already difficult to read but this fight is pure visual diarrhea. Half the time I can't even tell what downed me.

>>713159071
Sekiro is one of the best games ever made though.

>>713159389
Elden Ring is badly designed.

>>713159497
Easy games are good.

>>713161076
>hit the boss in the back with a basic r1 once a minute
If a game can't be played like that it's shit, simple as.

>>713157690
>all that spam when you could just parry
parrying is too good in this game

this is your reminder to play resurrection if you're on pc

>>713155547 (OP)
I like rhythm games so 8/10