I played a lot of jrpgs. I never have any issues with plots being needlessly complicated and even nonsensical if you think about it too deeply. But kingdom hearts feel special in that regard. I find it fucking retarded and bad beyond belief. Why is that?

>>713173554 (OP)
Because you can't into Gnosticism, Carl Gustav Jung, ancient mysteries, Cabbala and the true behind archetypes and myths

kingdom hearts is an actionrpg not a jrpg

>i can't follow a game made for kids
ur a faggot op

>>713173554 (OP)
1 is fine.

>>713173764
Would Jordan Peterson be able to analyze Kingdom hearts properly?

>>713173554 (OP)
High production values that deserves better writer. Or other better written stories are more deserving of those production values. The perspective is your choice.
Nonetheless the games do know how to create settings/moods. As Hot Topic retarded as KH is, the island at the beginning is comfy. Even if the things happening on the island are retarded. And if you're a kid playing it for the first time it can be a trip to have video game NPCs ask you questions about your personality and worldview, especially if nobody in real life is asking you those questions.
Sorry I'm agreeing with you I don't know why I have to include this but defending it but I do.

>Disneyslop
Into the trash

>>713173554 (OP)
>several major plot points dwelt on endlessly only happen in mobile/handheld games nobody played
>the games reiterate every shitty line of dialogue to the point of obfuscation
It unironically takes a high IQ to not get overwhelmed by the amount of filler bullshit these games have past the original

>>713174090
But i played psp and 3ds games (only for gameplay) and everything is convoluted so hard that it is not worth the effort to understand. And i don't think the answer i would get if i did this effort would be worth it.

>>713173925
No, because Peterson is a faggot freemasonic and jewish cocksucker

>>713173554 (OP)
first game or series as a whole?
the story if you look at the series collectively is a fucking mess because every new entry decides to arbitrarily contradict something that was firmly established in the previous. (Dream Drop Distance was the unredeemable pit of this series story telling and it's never recovered)
If you ask two people the plot of KH1 where Person A has played only the 1st game and Person B has play the series you will get different answers around events that happen because bullshit writing.
EX: Person A would tell you Sora got the keyblade because it chose him and it is a sentient weapon that chooses who can wield it, Person B will tell you Sora has it because of events that happened in Birth by Sleep.
The further you dig into the series the more you have to accept "yeah this thing that was definitively communicated to me can change on a whim because the writing room in a newer game decided so"
The plot of KH barely keeps it together from KH1 - KH2, anything afterwards is mindfuckery

>>713174312
Well the problem comes from the fact that you can't trust the information you're given because it keeps changing on a game to game basis. For example: what is Kingdom Hearts? Should be a very easy question to answer. The name is right there on the box. If I only played Kingdom Hearts 1 then Kingdom Hearts is the heart of all worlds. The only subversion is that Ansem assumed Kingdom Hearts was just darkness when it ended up being light. But it still opens into the Realm of Darkness so it's kind of confusing. But all in all, it's not bad. You can take it for what it is.

So you boot up Kingdom Hearts 2. And Kingdom Hearts is the focus again. Except instead of being the Heart of all worlds, now Kingdom Hearts is an amalgamation of the hearts of people. But wait hold on... so then what was that thing in Kingdom Hearts 1? Is there more than one? Was Ansem lying? So already the distrust of information is starting. But if gets worse because if you bought an entirely separate game on an entirely separate system then an entirely separate character tells you that this entirely separate Kingdom Hearts is the actual, no really Kingdom Hearts. Now to his credit: Xehanort is actually telling the truth here, the Kingdom Hearts in BBS is the real deal. But why would you trust that at this point? You've already been lied to twice with no reason to believe it this time.

In Lord of the Rings, the One Ring is a fictional object containing the power their setting's version of the Antichrist. There's no IRL object comparable to it, which means if you're watching Lord of the Rings, you need to know why this thing is so important. So it's established from the start what the One Ring is, what it does, why it's so dangerous, and why it must be destroyed at all costs. Regardless of how the context around it changes, you can trust that one anchor point to guide how you interpret future information. But Kingdom Hearts will just change the entire script for no reason.

>>713175463
Dammit this anon >>713174756 said what I was trying to say but better. Fuck you anon. But also I agree

>>713175463
Why yes it does make sense thank you. But then this creates an even more important question: what happens behind the door to the writing room of those games?

>>713176140
I could not tell you what kind of Lovecraftian space exists behind those writers room doors. The best I can say is that Nomura is similar to Kojima, or even Akira Toriyama, in that he writes in the moment. When Nomura writes things, he's rarely thinking about how that will affect things 3 games ahead or even 1 game behind. When he put Gackt into Crisis Core, he wasn't doing it because Gackt is a critical element to contextualize a famous event. He did it because he liked Gackt. Not realizing that this is now canon and it's up to the fans to make sense of it because he sure isn't.

Back to Kingdom Hearts, I can only presume that as the series continued, he was world building as he went. He'd already dropped in KH1 the concept of a world at war, that Kingdom Hearts was lost, but that children rebuilt the world's with the lights in their hearts, and that the world of KH is actually a post apocalyptic one unknown to everyone in the cast. He thought that idea was rad, which to his credit it is, and continued to iterate on that idea. Just one small problem: he never got around to making an actual timeline of events. And remember when Disney and Final Fantasy characters were supposed to be involved with this shit? So now KH1, which was more like a fairy tale or a classic Disney movie, just became a chapter in an epic story. A story no one thought about beforehand.

>>713176832
>Nomura is similar to Kojima
Now that i think about it mgs is basically kingdom hearts except kojima is lucky to have a religion built around him. Oh and i guess he was (accidentally?) prophetic with mgs2.

>>713179071
Kingdom Hearts unironically needs the codec system for breaking up the lore chunks and giving the character interactions more space to breathe. Nomura will fuck up the entire cosmology of the lore to give sora an iphone but he won't let Sora fucking call people.

>>713179176
>give sora an iphone
That already happened? I played 3 for an hour and remember hashtags.

>>713179594
That's what I'm saying. Sora gets a phone in 3 breaking god knows how many established conventions about how worlds connect, but every time he needs to convey or get information he still trundles his ass back to Yen Sid's tower.

>>713173554 (OP)
They couldnt just make 1 2 and 3

>>713180309
I was gonna make a joke about how it's a sign of how Sora is a boomer who can't into technology but then I remembered that Jiminy is right there

>>713179176
KH, more than any other series, needs a reboot. And needs to be edited with a chainsaw. Maybe KH4 is intended to be a soft reboot

>>713183848
It seems that way, but honestly predicting what KH is going to do and the direction it's going to take next is always a crapshoot. 3 was supposed to wrap up a "trilogy" that had unspooled into a half-dozen side games that were more vital to the plot than 1+2, and instead it had no sense of finality whatsoever and shunted the responsibility of explaining itself onto a mobile game that's now cancelled. At this point I'm pot-committed but jesus christ.

>>713173554 (OP)
combination of you trying hard to fit in, reading/watching too much 4chan/youtube, a 15-23 year old immature "i hate disney, anime, and color because im so fucking mature and grown up!!! (stemming from marrested development mental issues)" mindset, and just genuine ignorance.

japanese media is often focused on characters and ongoing canon to reward loyal fans, even if its at the expense of a solid, concise story (which is more western). you see this in metal gear, resident evil, 600+ episode anime like one piece, and really just about every anime/jrpg series.

the kingdom hearts series is based on disney movies (some of the best written films in history) and several popular final fantasy titles (some of the best written games in history), and itself has very well written characters and natural dialogue. the story gets convoluted, yes, but i wouldnt say bad but in fact its good. its simple in the aspect of good vs bad with heroes and villains, and keeps you wondering whats going to happen next. it ties very well into gameplay, creating a variety of different boss fights and playstyles.

Kingdom Hearts is unironically, genuinely the best video game franchise ever made. This is more of a statement to the rest of the industry "what the fuck are you doing" than anything. While the industry wants to sell you on gatcha, gaas, tab target "combat", capeshit quip dialogue, DEI/forced diversity/ugly women, etc Kingdom hearts gives you a full package of no dei/woke bullshit, no capeshit quip bullshit, 10/10 gameplay, great/fun/attractive/well-written characters, and yes an engaging story.


>but it bad because i mature i hate color and disney
Yes yes aren't you so very grown up and mature.

>story needs to be tight, concise, make 100% perfect sense, be simple, be structured perfectly with a beginning middle and end like it was made with an algorithm or Ai
Biggest meme from western perspectives since "you can't have a story without conflict"

>>713184476
You know what's funny? KH2 was more concise than the actual ending that took a decade to make. Sora wanted to go on an adventure, he did. Riku wanted to see other worlds, he did. Kairi. King Mickey wanted to find out why the worlds were disappearing and stop it, he did. Goofy and Donald wanted to find their missing King, they did. The flood of Heartless was stopped. Radiant Garden was restored. 2 flavors of Kingdom Hearts were kept away from people who would abuse it. Roxas was made whole and found peace. Riku overcame his own darkness even if it'll always be a part of his life.

What else left was there to do? Well apparently a lot. But none of it had to do with the actual conceit of Final Fantasy and Disney being in the same game, which is why KH3 was so ridiculously back loaded. Remember when you cried tears seeing Ephemer again? I don't because when I played KH3 I had no idea who that motherfucker was because I didn't play the fucking mobile game

>>713184785
I don't need my anime stories to make 100% sense. There's a lot of animu shit that's clearly about rule of cool that I still enjoy. But I feel like 90% or even 85% shouldn't be too much to all.

Alright I feel like making a shitpost summary of a KH game. Should I do 1, 2, or DDD?

>>713184598
This is ironically more a case of trying too hard. OP said nothing about DEI or ugly women or whatever the fuck non sequitur you included in all of that. OP just asked about the plot, which does have very glaring problems. Also you bring some very dumb implications in your rant. If I wrote a story that was complete and utter nonsense from top to bottom but it didn't have any forced diversity or capeshit dialogue, a funny criticism considering KH's relationship with Disney who owns Marvel, would that game be "good" by default?

>>713185972
Do 3D. It's the only one of your list I didn't play personally so I only know the cliffsnotes

DDD is definitely where I finally lost the plot of Kingdom Hearts. I did fine up through 2, Days, and BBS: there was a LOT to remember but it isn't 'complicated', it makes sense if you know all the details.

DDD I have played twice and neither time have I fully grasped what the fuck was going on between time-travel and inception bullshit being thrown in the mix. I don't believe anyone who says they completely understand DDD.

>>713186248
>no u
Explaining why people have some weird hate for something made with such quality invites thought and explanation. Your comment is not born from any rational thought or attempt to make a point; just petty anger.
>op didnt say anything about X
And? I did. I brought those things up as reasons to why other games are not as good. When we evaluate quality, it inherently means comparing it to other things. It was not the main point of my argument, but an explanation to one point in the middle of my conversation. Pulling that out and focusing on it is weird enough, but then saying "op didnt talk about this" like that is relevant, proves anything, or is anything resembling an argument is strange.
>you imply a story is good if its utter nonsense and doesnt have dei/capeshit dialogue
I did not. So the only "dumb" one here is you. Speaking of implications, you imply the story is utter nonsense and bad. Which is isn't.

I would get deeper into talking about the plot and its "flaws" but it would require more thought and intelligence than you are capable of partaking in.

>Sora, Riku, it's time to take the Bar Exam to prove that you can legally wield your Keyblades since some dumfucks decided to give you the ability to use them as a kid without filing the proper paperwork. In order to do that we'll send you back in time to when SOMEONE caused your world to fall into darkness. Hopefully he thought long and hard about what he did, but it's now helpful since that lets you go into the sleeping worlds where you will unlock their Keyholes to allow them to wake up. This will also teach you two the Power of Waking which will surely be something you have to earn and don't already have.
>But Master Yen Sid, isn't the exam supposed to be hitting a couple of balls of light?
>Mickey, that test was banned after it was proven that the balls could be manipulated. This new test where we send them out completely unsupervised is much more effective. You won't find any Heartless in the sleeping worlds but you will find Pokemon. Sora, I'll need you to give me your drive forms as well. It wouldn't be fair to Riku.
>Hold on, wouldn't it be better to fight with everything I know?
>Nonsense, I have a wonderful battle strategy the two of you will use. Have you heard of Command Decks?
>at destiny islands in the past
>Wow Riku it's great to be back here, now we just have to wait for when the darkness starts to swallow the world because of SOMEONE.
>Yeah...
>Oh look it's Ursula. And she's gone. Oh look it's the sleeping Keyhole. I'm feeling a bit tired Riku, I'm going to take a nap.
>This is definitely going to go horribly wrong.

Kingdom Hearts isn't a story you're meant to think about with your head
Kingdom Hearts is a story you're supposed to feel about with your heart

>>713187271
Except no one ever said KH's narrative is bad because of DEI or lack thereof. It's an entirely irrelevant point. Other M is shit because of inconsistencies with the rest of the series in addition to character motivations that either don't make sense or are stupid on their face. But those faults have nothing to do with KH which is why I didn't bring them up. At best, those blurbs don't do anything but distract from the attempted point you're making which is that KH's narrative would still be good even if it doesn't follow conventional storytelling, which would still be wrong. Which is exactly why I brought up those implications. At best, that was a line of criticism in your argument that you yourself invited.

Kingdom Hearts is western superhero comic tiers of convoluted

>>713173554 (OP)
>Why is that?
Why the fuck are you asking /v/?

>>713184598
>combination of you trying hard to fit in, reading/watching too much 4chan/youtube, a 15-23 year old immature "i hate disney, anime, and color because im so fucking mature and grown up!!! (stemming from marrested development mental issues)" mindset, and just genuine ignorance.
I never watched a single youtube video about kingdom hearts. I loved gameplay of it and played a lot of those games but since final mix version of 2 i completely gave up on the story. I think the tipping point for me was nobodies that don't feel a thing but they act like they do but they don't but they actually do. It is needlessly pretentious and there is no deeper payoff at the end of it.

>>713187587
>Wow, I'm back in Traverse Town! And my clothes are different! Time to look around I guess.
>Get out of the way, I've got to finish my Mission.
>Who are you? I'm Sora, and I'm sure we're going to be friends.
>The name's 桜庭 音操. And fuck off. Or follow me, I don't care what you do.
>Sure thing Phones.
>Hey, I brought Sora, now bring back my partner.
>Phones, I feel kind of sleepy...
>on riku's side
>So I'm in Traverse Town, but isn't this world supposed to be awake?
>You're right Riku, but it does whatever it wants. And I needed some place to shove the spirits of my friends.
>riku somehow feels from inside him the voice of someone screaming that this man isn't his friend because he shot him
>Who are you and how do you know me?
>The names Joshua, and I read the wiki. You have to help Sora who is in the parallel version of this world to find the sleeping Keyhole.
>they do that
>Okay, so let me clear up the situation for the two of you. Both you and Sora are stuck in different versions of the worlds which are kind of similar but not really. Whenever Sora's awake, you'll fall asleep, and vice versa. That means there's actually 7 Keyholes for the two of you to unlock. As for why you're stuck like this, I could explain but there wouldn't be a twist later on so the two of you can figure it out on your own. Good luck...

>>713173554 (OP)
>Why is that?
probably because you fell for the meme like every other normalfaggot and "didn't play those stupid spinoffs!"
Kingdom Hearts is not a complicated series in the slightest. The themes are blatant, and the narrative takes itself very seriously. People just thought that since "Chain of Memories is some dumb handheld game, I can ignore it!" and then sit there dumbfound and crying about Roxas because Chain of Memories directly leads into KH2.

>>713187593
OP here. I can do that! I am reading hundred line defense academy and it is exactly that. And I am loving it. Why is kingdom hearts so convoluted when it isn't nuanced or deep?

>>713188994
>Kingdom Hearts is not a complicated series in the slightest. The themes are blatant, and the narrative takes itself very seriously.

That is the problem, Kingdom Hearts pretends it's deeper than it actually is

>>713188784
So in a VERY SLIGHT defense of KH, this was one of those things that can be argued to have been set up

In KH1 Riku captures Pinocchio. And he remarks that he didn't think it was possible for an inanimate doll to grow a heart of its own. Well apparently Xemnas and Vexan saw it and thought that idea was rad. Because that's when they started fucking around with the Replicas. Basically robot bodies that can be possessed with a heart and become it's own copy. In CoM they attempted a test run with Riku, who ended up growing it's own heart separate from the original, which didn't really serve The Orgy's purposes so it's memories were deleted and it was sent to fight Sora. There's also Xion, who also grew her own heart, unbeknownst to The Orgy too. So the implication there is that so long as someone can think, they can grow hearts. And sure enough the Nobodies within The Orgy began growing hearts. Which Xemnas attempted to gaslight them by claiming they weren't and that actually those feelings were residual memories from when they were still whole.

Again the idea is sound but the execution is fucking stupid. The only way I was able to extrapolate all of that is by pulling information from 4 different games. If you did not play CoM or Days, then Axel choosing to die would make no sense based on what 2 tells you. At best it would call into question if Roxas choosing to rejoin with Sora was actually good or if a potentially sentient, independent person just killed himself because he was also gaslighted by DiZ

>>713189312
Nomura's an enigma. No one knows what he's planning to do. Not even himself.

>>713187271
>To be fair you have to have a very high iq to understand kingdom hearts
Your party is fucking goofy and donald duck saar...

>>713189430
I am sure all those words mean something to you.

>>713173554 (OP)
Because it got genuinely retarded when time travel was introduced to the mix and you needed to keep up with a gacha game to know 90% of the current lore.

>>713188832
>and so sora and riku travel through the sleeping worlds to unlock the keyholes, but the stuff they do in there doesn't matter because the worlds are all in a groundhog day loop, however they keep running into people while traveling through the worlds
>sora runs into a new individual who keeps posing increasingly complex brain teasers which make sora very confused
>riku sees ansem who keeps reminding him how good darkness is and begging him to return his texts
>back in yen sid's tower
>Master Yen Sid, do you think they're going to be okay? It's been several hours now.
>They'll be fine, there's nothing to worry about. Unless... oh fuck.
>What is it?
>So you remember how time travel requires you to lose your body and you can only travel to a place you've already been?
>Yeah?
>And you remember how Xehanort also lived on Destiny Islands?
>Yeah?
>And how Heartless are only hearts?
>What are you getting at?
>Well what if, maybe, Xehanort used his Heartless to give himself time travel powers and then placed his Heartless on Destiny Islands before it fell so that they could track Sora in the sleeping worlds?
>Why didn't you just use the balls of light then?
>I wanted to prove I could make a good exam...
>Now I have to go and fix your fuckup before something happens to Sora. You should really think about what you did Yen Sid.

>>713189682
Well the tl;dr is that KH has good ideas sometimes. But it's very shit at presenting them

>>713173554 (OP)
light good darkness bad

>>713187587
This plot sounds like it was written by a sub 20B llm. Except at the time there were none so it is probably 10 year olds with ADHD.

>>713173554 (OP)
Perhaps…

>>713189741
>sora and riku travel through the sleeping worlds to unlock the keyholes
Sex tourism?

>>713190113
>Sex tourism?
That's every world visit silly

>>713189741
>I unlocked the last Keyhole, and now I'm in The World That Never Was? Is this part of test as well?
>Hey Sora.
>Xigbar, how are you here?
>Who knows, maybe this is a dream. Or maybe not? Maybe I'm just a representation of the never ending battle between light and darkness to you. Or I'm actually here, and ready to shoot you down. Oh also Nobodies can grow hearts, but that's not too important right now. You should probably take a nice long nap to clear that head of yours...
>That sounds like a good idea. Good night Xigbar.
>Wow, I'm in The World That Never Was. Time to chase people I do and don't know.
>Hey Sora.
>Xigbar, how are you here?
>It's just a dream right? Take it easy, we're not going to hurt you. Even Xemnas is here in your dream. If you want out, all you have to do is sleep.
>Indeed, for in one's sleep they are free from the shackles of their daily life if only for a moment's respite.
>Xemnas calm down we're just here to put him into another layer of sleep.
>on riku's side
>I unlocked the last Keyhole, so that should mean that I would go back to the real world. But this is clearly still a dream. I should look around.
>Oh, it's Sora. How is he here?
>Hello Riku.
>Hi Ansem...
>Did you know that by dragging someone into their own dreams you can keep them in a perpetual state of sleep? And do you also know what sleep is commonly associated with in media?
>Is it darkne-
>EXACTLY! It's darkness! The most wonderful thing in the world! Now that Sora is within his own dreams, he can experience the wonders that is darkness. Riku, you can still join me. I miss when we were together, I promise I'll wash the dishes this time. Darkness within darkness awaits you!
>No, I'd rather renew the restraining order. Anyway, I'm out of here.
>Nooo don't gooo...

>>713174756
It's better to only play Kh1 and 2, CoM is debatable but all the mystery surrounding the games was contained in those 3 titles.

The entire allure of KH is the mystery. Now all the mystery is in the mobile games while the main title has nothing, it's why KH3 sucked because Xehonart is supposed to be evil, nah he's good bruv.
The mobile story fixes all this but that's my point, the real magic is now in crappy mobile games

>>713187859
>Except no one ever said KH's narrative is bad because of DEI or lack thereof.
And I never implied that. Why am I talking with a ltieral schizophrenic?

I genuinely don't think you understand anything that anyone is talking about.

>>713188784
>group of entities that lost their heart supposedly cant feel emotion, but it gradually hints that they actually might as part of one aspect of the story asking the player to think about it
How is this "pretentious"?

>>713189552
The comment was not about understanding KH but understanding writing. But you chose to display your ignorance yet again. congrats.

It wasn't even confusing until the mobile games came in

>>713191090
>Okay, now I'm in the real world. Time to find save Sora.
>Hello Riku, welcome to our villain club. It is me, Xehanort, and the rest of our stunningly unique individuals. Heartless me, Nobody me, young me, me in a retard's body, me in a stoic's body, me in a dominatrix's body, me in a gay man's body, me in the body of someone who seems like an old friend but not really, and me in a gambler's body. I'm still working on the rest of the members to get it to 13, but it'll be great just trust me. Sora over here is just about to get hazed.
>Not if I have anything to say about it! I'm getting Sora back!
>Oh really, but can you handle young me? He is a very formidable fighter.
>This isn't Birth By Sleep, he lost his superboss status!
>Oh, you're right. In that case we'll take our leave. You can have Sora back. He's broken anyway.
>That's okay, I realized that I already had the Power of Waking all along and the purpose of this exam was to show that I'm mentally ready to be a true wielder of the Keyblade. I'll just wake up Sora.
>Hey Riku, what did I miss?
>You almost died.
>Sora, Riku, after thinking over my decision to send the two of you unsupervised into the worlds on a dangerous exam, I believe I have come to the conclusion of your results. Riku, you didn't die. You pass. Sora, you almost died. You failed. You'll need to get the Power of Waking and start all the way from level one in Kingdom Hearts 3.
>Don't worry Sora, I believe you can do it. Do you want me to show you the Power of Waking?
>That's okay Riku, I need to earn it on my own.
>and thus the disney worlds of kingdom hearts 3 became necessary because sora didn't feel like having riku show him

>>713191478
>While the industry wants to sell you on gatcha, gaas, tab target "combat", capeshit quip dialogue, DEI/forced diversity/ugly women, etc Kingdom hearts gives you a full package of no dei/woke bullshit, no capeshit quip bullshit, 10/10 gameplay, great/fun/attractive/well-written characters, and yes an engaging story.

Industry standards are not why KH's story is bad

>And? I did. I brought those things up as reasons to why other games are not as good.

Then it's a non-sequitur. There was no reason to bring those things up because no one ever accused KH of doing those things

>And I never implied that

Then why are you building your argument on things that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand. What the fuck are you arguing?

>>713191996
Neat.
Do CoM next.

>>713193737
nta but sora gets amnesia and has to go to sleep while riku learns how to use his nose

the matrix ruined everything, everything is the matrix, mgs becomes the matrix, kingdom hearts becomes the matrix, elder scrolls becomes the matrix and so on, once there's even in kh case kh 1.2 it's the matrix.

kh1 magical experience, kh2 the matrix

>>713194708
when you think about it kh is just doing karate like the matrix to fight retarded ai enemies, everything is the matrix the matrix becomes even more of the matrix and convoluted.

>>713194907
nono kh chain of memories, hello aerith, "we're in the matrix"

>>713194708
>kh1 = disney meets final fantasy
>kh2 = matrix
>recoded = drunk and lost the plot
>kh3d = inception
>kh3 = infinity war
im sure the other games were influenced too but i couldnt name the movie inspiration

kingdom hearts is a game made for teenage girls so don’t think too much about it. all the femanons in this thread stink like rotten fish btw

>>713197443
And girls actually understand this nonsense? Or are you talking about "girls"?

>>713173554 (OP)
>I find it fucking retarded and bad beyond belief. Why is that?
Because it is.

>>713173554 (OP)
It’s just final fantasy with silly Disney magic