Thread 713207881

Is that his name? I just know him as the guy in that game I uninstalled lmao

>he walks

Poetry

He's still a good person.

>>713208787
IIRC, that was literally the writer’s logic behind naming him.

>>713207881 (OP)
Did nothing wrong

>>713207881 (OP)
They lost me at the part were they told me the things they showed me wasn't what happened. Well why the fuck did you show me them then fuckers?

>>713208787
He does the walk of life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUW6G5QdyYU

>>713207881 (OP)
Thought Spec Ops was a genuinely solid story-driven game. Shame it's always the center of arguments on whether or not you can have a story about the consequences of shitty actions when the player themselves didn't choose those actions.

I like when you steal the water truck so every dies of dehydration and then that one guy burns alive under the truck. Pure kino.

>>713209563
Just to reaffirm that certain things did in fact happen, but that Walker went mad and was openly batshit in front of his squad.

>>713207881 (OP)
I say the real ending is where Walker shoots himself in the head because it would be quite realistic and based on real events of real Americans.

>>713209714
The White Phosphorus scene was a victim of budget constraints, since doing that part the more peaceful way would necessitate and entirely different narrative branch.

The meta part of the game hasn’t aged well since the CoD clones that the game is satirising are no longer the industry trend, but the actual core narrative is still a genuinely great work of psychological horror. It’s basically the west’s Silent Hill 2.

>>713210057
Homefront wore it better. 15 seconds then back to killing norks relentlessly

>>713209575
He shoulda learned, to play the guitar.
He shoulda learned to play them drums.

>>713210225
Homefront wasn’t really trying to make a point with its WP usage though. Homefront is one of the games that Spec Ops is mocking.

>>713207881 (OP)
Why do people hate this game? Other games make you do the same or worse, like Far Cry 2 where you dedicate the whole game to be a mercenary for hire who only destroys and ruins the lives of the inhabitants of the country and the game keeps reminding you what a bad person you are for that.
And it's even worse in the sense of self-insertion for being a first-person game, where our protagonist doesn't speak and you decide what missions you do, who you do them for and how you do them.
But nobody complains about that, on the other hand, this game is still the same 10 years after its release.

>>713210040
"Gentlemen, welcome to Dubai." is clearly the canon ending.

>>713210402
no they absolutely were making a point about it
they didn't force you to be the bad guy
you obviously don't know what you're talking about
there are so many midwits on this board during summer months

>>713210480
I think it puts a bad taste in some people’s mouth because it dabbles in post-modernism and does a 4th wall break where it tries to directly implicate the player in Walker’s actions. Considering that the only way to prevent these atrocities is to stop playing the game, it rubbed some people the wrong way.

I don’t think it’s a big deal though, since Nier Replicant and Undertale also both pull this “you, the player, are responsible for this” trick, and it was fine there too.

>>713207881 (OP)
my man

>>713207881 (OP)
Walker was an eager stray dog with a waggy tail eager for a master. The dude had nothing back home, no wife or kids or love interest, no real interests.
You can tell he is one of the innumerable amount of military personnel (and young adults in general) who join because they really dont know what to do with their life. They join in hopes of finding an answer. 4 years pass a, tour. Still no answer, some get out and meander in life Others like Walker decides to fill that void with more service and have that be their meaning. A man always wants to leave behind a legacy or at the least be known to be good at what they do. And that's why when you have a young capable man devoid of meaning, and full of eagerness to do something spiritually fulfilling instead of a paycheck (hence why they chase martyrdom or dead set on being the example people look to in their field) ending up committing atrocities.
That's really the sad truth to Walker. Its not really his fault or anyone's. Some people just fall through the cracks in the sense that they wonder through life lacking purpose or direction until someone else points them in one direction and they just walk the farthest they can in that direction until they cant or someone points them in another direction. These people are the types that are the most likely to do the things Walker did or a concentration camp commander does. That's the real tragedy to me. That it really is just RNG for a guys like Walker who just so happen to get pointed towards something with the right conditions to be a shitshow crime against humanity. If someone pointed him towards idk the fire department he probably be a good man in his city. Instead he probably just came across a recruiter and not long after it was uncle same telling him where to go and what to do.
For some its life guided by fate and passion. But for most young men and Walker. Its just circumstance

>>713210057
I think it works well enough as a character study of a glory hound protagonist lost in his own delusions, and while linear Oorah! military shooters aren't as prominent as they were, I think the subversion aspect can still work in terms of flipping the table on simply following directives blindly, whether its related to game mechanics or how organized conflict dehumanizes people on the other side of it.

Not that other games haven't already tackled the same topics before and since.

>>713211158
True. And personally, I think Spec Ops does it better than Bioshock anyway. Bioshock has you blindly following Tenenbaum’s orders after you break free of Atlas, so it feels hypocritical and tone deaf. In Spec Ops case on the other hand, it’s just an already mental unstable spec ops operative going gradually more and more insane, and that’s way more interesting than Bioshock’s MK Ultra stuff.

>>713210480
Some people thought the fourth-wall breaking loading screens were cheesy, and that it pushed the idea that the final monologue with Conrad was targeted directly at the player. Insisting that the choice to keep playing instead of just stopping and turning off the game was morally their fault in how the story turned out.

I agree that that'd be an annoying sentiment, considering the game itself doesn't give you other options. But I disagree with the critique, because Walker is clearly his own character and was making choices outside of the player's control from the very start.

>>713211019
He could have just eaten a snickers and he would have been fine thoughbeit

>>713211019
The ending where Walker kills the rescue squad and basically becomes the new Conrad ruling over Dubai is probably the most fitting fate for him. He was clearly born to be an animalistic killer. Some people are just like that.

millions got filtered

>>713211019
I think he's a pitiable character, and in another walk of life he might have done just fine and found a wholly different purpose, but at the end of the day he still went out of his way to ignore orders knowing that he had men under his command whose lives were in his hands.

If it had turned out well, people might have called him hero. But in a scenario where everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong, he was responsible for a lot of death and couldn't accept that.

>>713207881 (OP)
Walker in a nutshell

>>713210480
The story probably only works if you're not primed for it. I certainly was, and it was massively disappointing. Probably only a minority of people experienced the game completely dry as intended, because it became notorious within a short time of being deeper than it looked.

>>713212484
To be fair, it looks about as generic as can be going off of surface level marketing alone. The only people I knew of who ever looked into it were because of the word-of-mouth reputation it had.

That said, I don't know what the fuck draws normal people to games at Walmart who don't look into the games at all beforehand. It'd had to have caught at least some COD fans off-guard.

>>713211576
>if you don't want anything bad to happen don't keep playing
I would say the whole problem is this, I really don't even count it as part of the game because some guy said it in an interview and it's not part of the game, and the trans-media is bullshit.
Plus when Funny Games tells you that everyone considers it a masterpiece, when some developer says it everyone consider him a thief.

I also like the story of the game, it is a good twist to the military war genre, although as they say if you are not from the era where it was the most abundant I doubt you can enjoy it as new even if you do not know anything.

Unirnocally one of the best cover shooters ever made. It had really solid shooting, very fluid controls, a great meta-narrative. Its marred by online discourse being all about the meta of storytelling and how it hasnt aged well in the strictest sense but taken on a new meaning. I feel like the point people make where they say "you didnt have a choice and the game gave you no option to not kill" is a bit silly since nobody that didn't know the game would think that. You would see the phosphorus and realize that there is a lot of white dots and having been shot at by everything and everyone before you wouldnt just shoot. Its a game after all. Not a real button. This scene keeps power because your reasoning will always be I only pressed a button in the game. And soon enough it ain't going to be a game.

>>713213616
Its a squad based shooter where the squad mechanics don't fucking work to the point that you will straight up game over in FUBAR if you attempt to use them

>>713213807
Thats why I called it a covershooter. I played it on FUBAR several times and never used the squad shit since it never works. If you just play it like a Gears of War its fantastic. Even the guns have subtly different feels to them despite being the same effectively.

>>713213807
I don't know what you're talking about, it's one of the few games where the bots aren't totally retarded and actually follow your orders.

Are the devs who made Spec Ops still around? I feel like they were the ones working on more Zombie Island at some point

>>713216043
Yes Yager is still around but they make shit games. They made Dreadnought, a World of Warships with space ships, that they scammed people out of by asking for 10 bucks to play the beta and then went f2p on steam and then they made The Cycle and The Cycle: Frontier which both failed because the first is a looter shooter that sucks and the second is Tarkov by people that don't understand Tarkov. Both also shutdown already.

>>713216357
That's a shame. Did any of Spec Ops's writers make it out at least?

>>713216451
Probably. Yager is considered a husk. I was actively encouraged to avoid working for them.

Was a really fun game, for what it was. MP was surprisingly good in the beta/demo/whatever way back when. Crushing dudes with sand was cool. Probably shoulda had a different approach to the turning point, since you easily coulda had the player more active instead of it being a cutscene button. I feel like the best gun in campaign on FUBAR, barring the AA-12 at the end, is the LMG. Been a while, though, so I could be full of shit. Was really pleased, as always, with the various executions. I wanna say they were weapon class specific but I could be wrong on that, too.

>>713209714
The sandstorm shit was so cool

>>713211568
I still liked Bioshock's story, but think the morality system was funny for

1. Rewarding you so much for being a good guy that there's no reason to mechanically take the harvest option.

2. Presents the choices as semi-morally grey at first depending on whether or not you believe Atlas in the beginning, which makes it pretty funny if you accidentally get the bad ending where you become a mutant super-villain.

>>713207881 (OP)
Is a hero.

>>713209714
Perfect way of phrasing it. So many get butthurt over it. It's just a videogame, not a personal indictment.

Hey anons, im just going to remind you that the best way to approach a Spec Ops thread is not say anything and leave.
Walker should, and instead of leaving he just went in, and now he has to do it all over again every single time.
You can escape this.
Just turn around and leave.
You have a choice here.
I know you probably paid good money for tripcode, but trust me, the best thing you could do is simply to leave.
You will avoid hell by simply running away from shit you want to do but you aren't sure if you should to begin with.
Thats it.
Just hit the brakes, and walk away.
I will leave now.
I hope you can head esoteric advice and all the clues i left behind that are exactly what i said.
Good bye.

>>713211576
I think the best interpretation was that Konrad is asking the player to judge Walker and ask him if he should die for what he had done or if he deserves to live. There's no really "turning off the game to make it stop" because these events had already happened.

>>713219787
But on you marched. And for what?

>>713219243
Maybe the game should have a single redeeming feature other than retards hyping up the consequences of the white phosphorous scene, then.

>>713212398
SOTL is peak cinema, the fact that it rectum annihilates people here to this day would be proof enough of it, but it also had stellar attention to detail and excellent visual direction.

Should Walker have left the painting?

I think they died at the helicopter crash, if not earlier.

Friendly reminder that Cpt Walker did not wrong.

>exposed and stopped the rogue 33rd
>carried out the CIA's plan better than the CIA
>eliminated the CIA in the process too
>eliminated a journo high on power
>eliminated the """civilians""" that killed Lugo
>reminder that civilians attacked Walker twice prior
>reminder that Walker told the civilians to evac prior
>reminder that civilians took up arms despite the risks
>reminder that 33rd knew exactly what they were doing
>reminder that Konrad executed those who refused to follow him

Walker did everything right and was a agent of judgment upon Dubai. The game portraying you as the bad guy was just breaking the 4th wall and nothing more.

>>713222134
He defied orders of his superiors and went off to play hero which got everyone killed. He was a man unfit for military service because his notions of right and wrong superseded doing what he was fucking told to do.

>>713207881 (OP)
>I..... LE KILLED LE PEOPLE IN SELF LE DEFENSE

>>713222409
>unfit for military service
so was Konrad, Walker just ended up cleaning his mess
>got everyone killed
the govt would have sent in someone to clean up the place even if Walker left after making contact with the 33rd. The situation was so bad that it would have been an international scandal of the decade. The CIA's presence confirms that the govt would have just gone along to silence everyone in Dubai.

>>713207881 (OP)
I keep thinking his name is John Walker.
>>713222134
He literally "accidentally" killed what was left of the city
>reminder that Walker told the civilians to evac prior
To where? The storm wall was still active until damn near the end, assuming when Walker reached the tower where Konrad shot himself Walker was even still alive and this whole game wasn't just LITERAL HELL. I wouldn't say doing the glowies' job better than the glowies was a good thing either.
I don't blame Walker for the white phosphorous cause well the 33rd would probably view Walker an co as glowies no matter what nor do I blame him for defending himself against the insurgents. I doubt the USA could cover up what the fuck was going on in Dubai after the storm wall fades either due the relief effort eventually going to get a shit ton of news coverage internationally of the radio man/33rd boosting their radio tower to reach outside the city when the storm wall faded away. Regarding, I do put Lugo's death on Walker. As captain his mission was to protect his men and follow a simple order. He could have turned back a numerous time but didn't.
>>713221164
Assuming that the painting was real which I doubt, I would have kept it. Shit's awesome.

>>713222702
>but what about Konrad
We're talking about Walker.
>the govt would have sent in someone to clean up the place
Would have could have, should have. The subject of conversation is Martin Walker. Even if everyone in Dubai were to have died after Walker successfully carried out his orders, he and his squad at the very least would have still been alive and would not have taken part in those tragic events.

>>713223368
Seems like the 33rd were taking out the glowies and their insurgents pretty well. The glowies were most likely going to fail in their mission without Walker's intervention.

So how was a combat unit like the 33rd infantry supposed to help with evacuating a city?

>>713224147
Easier to evacuate a city when 95% of the inhabitants are dead.

>>713223368
Dubai was doomed regardless of what Walker did. Konrad only made the situation worse with his failed evac plan. Walker merely assumed command of the situation since there was no one sane left in Dubai. Even if he left immediately to call for help, the 33rd and CIA would have just escalated their little war while help was on the way. Walker would have likely felt regret for not intervening when he had the chance at being a hero.

>>713223356
Well evacuating from the battlefield for starters. Yes they couldn't leave Dubai due to the stormwall but choosing to fight/stay in active warzones was folly. Both the USA and Dubai would absolutely cover up what happened there. Dubai's own leaders knew the storm was coming and abandoned their people. It's very unlikely and hypocritical that they would be upset at the CIA's plan. The CIA should have been very grateful that Walker carried out their plan since they would have failed without his help. If Dubai was willing to cover up about the upcoming storm, the massacre wouldn't be far off.
Lugo's death is not Walker's fault, he also could have chosen to leave but didn't despite the constant criticisms about Walker's actions.

>>713207881 (OP)
bump

>>713207881 (OP)
Man when the lights hit in the stadium and Mogwai's "Glasgow Mega-Snake" started blaring during a firefight that was the best part of the game.

Then the fight took too long and the song had a terrible loop. So minus 1 point to the sound engineer for that.

>>713224301
>Walker would have likely felt regret for not intervening when he had the chance at being a hero.
That's true, he probably would have blamed himself for Konrad's death and that of the 33rd for the rest of his life, but Adams and Lugo would have still been alive.

>>713224301
>Yes they couldn't leave Dubai due to the stormwall but choosing to fight/stay in active warzones was folly.
Kind of hard to due when the whole city is a battlefield between an infantry battalion of psychos(like you look at the Zulu unit, they are basically apocalypse now extras) and a crazies delta force.
Even with the CIA and Dubai trying to cover up the whole incident the storm I doubt the 33rd and Radio man would go down with a fight and allow themselves to be erased.
Also didn't the 33rd kill the corrupt officials of the city? They themselves would probably actively want to expose the shit storm unless the govt can ass pull a bio weapons or give them a deal worth shutting up about.

>>713221164
Not if it killed everyone inside of it

>>713224321
Wasn't the music why it was removed from Steam?

>>713225612
That's the rub with using licensed music. At some point it'll make your game unrereleasable for "reasons".

I think you're right. I could be wrong.

>>713225089
They could have at least stayed put in their homes. Radio man would likely try to expose the truth if he survived Dubai but he just would have gotten himself killed by CIA. If the 33rd survived then the govt would have just easily blamed a rogue battalion acting on their own and not the US military. They were cut off from the outside after all so it would be easy to blame everything on them and Konrad was already a deadman. Surviving members of the 33rd would have been imprisoned for life and no one would know what really happened there. The CIA's activities would never be known either.

The city officials left before the storm even hit, I don't quite remember exactly but the 33rd arrived afterwards. That might be the whole reason Konrad even offered to help Dubai before returning to the US. I can't recall if Konrad and the 33rd knew about how bad the storm was going to be, the officials may have kept the details from them.

>>713207881 (OP)
He's literally me...

I dont self insert.

>still getting threads over a decade later
devs won

>>713225972
Neither do I. I still think Spec Ops The Line might be one of the best "third person cover based brown and bloom shooters" from the era. No not just it's "amazing story". I mean just gameplay wise.

>>713216608
You're in dev?

>>713226208
It's hilarious how hard it mogs nu-Cod's campaigns, especially nu-Modern Warfare. The entire trilogy pulls its punches and outright fabricates real events while the originals didn't. Spec Ops went in hard and didn't stop the entire time. Of course people are still going to talk about Spec Ops more often.

Well another Spec Ops the Line post

A chance for me to post it again
https://youtu.be/5_6LvKWy5vo?si=CuPTKr-EFR_lvHqq

>>713210402
Never in my life have i seen someone unironically claim that Homefront is anything more than a CoD clone?

>>713207881 (OP)
>he played the game
You didnt play the game

>>713225846
I still think the story would be too big to cover up. Also the 33rd had what felt like around 1000 men left and they were imo going to sweep up gray fox's bs no problem.
I thought some of the city officials were still stuck in Dubai with the 33rd and civvies. Definitely not all of them left before the storm hit cause the black box recording from the downed airliner basically says that. Also with how strong the storm was there's no way Konrad and the 33rd could have arrive after the storm hit since with the storm there would probably be no safe way of showing up. So I believe Konrad and his men showed up before the storm hit especially with the amount of functioning vechiles they have trapped in the city with them for their war.

>>713210057
>literally an infinite volume of guys who dont stop despawning
>call in white phosphorous
>DEMS WAS MY BAYBEHS IN DEYA, HOW COULD YOU DUN DO DIS BRO, YOU DUN FUCKED MY DINNER UP!!!!

>>713210631
A point so weak nobody ever talks about it unless they're mocking it. I get it's cool to pretend to be the cool contrarian, but it was just plain shit.

>>713226802
As if you would have chosen otherwise.

>>713226950
Idk that Id call it weak so much as Homefront wasnt parading around like a gay moralist in place of making an enjoyable game.
Call of Duty makes more profound anti war statements but it also realizes that it should be a playable game first

>>713227025
Did she tell me? Did she tell me not to call in the white phosphorous!? She know I aint play TPS Flopslop befo'

>>713208098
lmao

>>713227064
>Call of Duty makes more profound anti war statements but it also realizes that it should be a playable game first
Nobody ever talks about the multiplayer mode of this game every time a thread about it appears now that you're talking about it. Nobody ever talks as to why SOTL is delisted neither. I wonder why.

Hey I liked Lugo and I usually hate beaners so hats off to the writing and/or dev team for that. I was legit upset when they killed his ass.

Spec Ops the Line is a pseud game made to trick poor mexican children into playing a dogshit third person shooter that pretends its the first of its kind to have any fucking thing to say about war. And what are these profound statements it has to present to these poor mexican children who's poor abuelita thought she was buying them the new call of duty?
>WAR IS LE BAD
>VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE IS LE BAD
>THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS LE BAD
all while namedropping Heart of Darkness to pretend its a game for intellectuals.
https://youtu.be/OuTFxHM07oQ?si=90fodFL7VEpZBXpM
https://youtu.be/LM9B8ah5y4c?si=n7UvY4DAKLSY_HAT
Cod gave us this.
Spec Ops gave us this
https://youtu.be/1JvrDszsT1Y?si=yPIwvmbhgNMHGanT
A speech so gay and overly dramatic it can onlt work in some gay warped strawman wherein a bunch of white(see: mixed race mutts) are sent to dubai to kill other white (see: slightly less mixed race mutts) on the same fucking team. At the end of the day not one person who praises this faggot game was at all surprised by THE TWEEST, they booted it up knowing full fucking well it what it was going to be, and the poor mexican kids stopped playing before the 4th level

>>713226760
They were at the very least attempting to do it, especially considering how embarrassing the entire outcome of it for both countries. There's an intel file in the game where a news anchor is questioning about the evac force that coming but can't find any confirmation about it. For all we know, the city officials might have planned to pin it on Konrad. Radio man nearly got arrested by the cops when he found out some of the truth. Anyone rich and important left Dubai at least 2 days prior to the news broadcast.
>stuck in Dubai
The officials were gone prior to 33rd's arrival.The situation was already bad when the 33rd entered Dubai, people were already looting at that point. That black box recording may have been some last remaining rich people and anyone desperate enough to pay 4x as much just to leave the city. It's not 100% clear who those passengers were.
>1000 men to sweep up
It's hard to say how big the 33rd really was, the game is also incredibly unrealistic as it is. 33rd was having trouble find the CIA agents, they only got 1 of them and it was a trap for Gould. It's not clear how long the 33rd's been in Dubai either. The CIA was obviously unprepared for fighting an American battalion since they only sent in 4 guys.

>>713227064
>enjoyable game
It was fucking garbage
No good gameplay
No goo story
Fucking nothing.

>>713227824
There is not one thing it does worse than spec ops

>>713227705
Buy an ad

>>713227064
SOTL is perfectly playable too, what do you get out of spreading this bullshit?

>>713227894
>HEY! YOU TAKE THAT BACK! SPEC OPS IS A PLAYABLE GAME
Imagine party babyz is also a playable game, tread lightly

>>713227870
I have to admit, pretending to be a HF fan this day and age is pretty creative bait tactic

>>713227894
He's out for (You)s

>>713227967
Not.
One.
Thing.

>>713228034
Sure sure. And Bubsy 3D is actually a surrealist masterpiece that outshines Mario64.

>>713228117
So you admit that you cant name one singular thing Spec Ops does better? You think deflecting helps you at all?

I enjoy Spec Ops The Line in spite of its flaws.

>>713222409
>his notions of right and wrong superseded doing what he was fucking told to do.
sounds based to me

>>713228230
You haven't made one cohenrent argument, dear troll. There's nothing to deflect.

>>713227793
I guess I give Lt. McPherson too much credit for taking out the second glowie. Though since he was able to quickly re group with other 33rd members after immediately taking out that one guy I assume the 33rd were closer to gray fox than you think.
Then again we're trying to make logic out of a game where we fellow an unreliable captain who may or may not be reliving most of the events in hell.
Best case scenario would be for Riggs to GTOF somehow and bring back more glowies to properly cover up in a case without Delta's intervention. Walker really did Riggs' job better than him.

>>713228561
Better graphics
Better story
Better sound
Better gunplay
https://youtu.be/Ic85p0n9IKc?si=J6TmtKey7XvdvmGr

>>713210057
All the game actually needed was the option to go back when shit went down at the start of the game.

>>713228639
Nice opinions, but sadly the reality disagrees.

>>713228572
I don't think it was possible for Riggs or the others to leave Dubai easily. They couldn't contact command (just like the 33rd) and being out in the open desert while being hunted would have been suicide. They were there initially to see wtf happened to Dubai and the 33rd not to fight. They probably realized that letting the 33rd run wild in Dubai was gonna a shitshow for the US and decided to kill everyone from thirst.

>Walker did a better job than Riggs
Agreed. Riggs and his team was a bigger fuck up than Delta ever was. They were stuck with a half-assed plan and had to rely on untrained civilians to do their dirty work. Best case scenario would have been to leave the minute they saw how Konrad turned into a mad tyrant while they still had their cover. They were not gonna win and it was only a matter of time till the 33rd caught them all.

What I don't understand is why the CIA didn't just blow up the water at the beginning instead of trying to steal the trucks. They didn't care for civilians and negotiating with the 33rd was pointless since they already started an uprising. I think they had a different plan originally but they had to change it. They really should have left when they had the chance.

>>713228642
That's the problem with all games these days. How come there isn't a "well I'm just gonna put my controller down" ending for every game huh? Power to the player my fat jiggly ass.

>>713209714
Perhaps it can be understood as an exploration of what it means to choose. Sure, Walker "could" have just walked away, as the characters constantly remind Walker, but we the player clearly see that the path only ever leads to what actually manifests. Understood in this way, we, like Walker, are constrained by what we believe has to be done, and must by necessity bear the consequences.

>>713229413
>What I don't understand is why the CIA didn't just blow up the water at the beginning instead of trying to steal the trucks.
I would assume Riggs and his merry band of glowies lacked explosives and lets only having himself left out of his team believe he couldn't soldi snake his way to the water supply. Andwith Riggs behind shown to be a dumb fuck when he loudly failed to open a door when trying to steal the water with delta lead me to believe that he has -100 in stealth.
>They really should have left when they had the chance.
Such is many of cases in this game.
In another world somehow Riggs and his crew get a death of Stalin like comedy movie.

>>713231235
>lets
Meant Riggs
>behind
Meant being
I really need to start taking sleeping meds

>>713213616
>best cover shooters ever made. It had really solid shooting
It was a generic low effort chest high wall hugging simulator to the extend that the devs were coping about the shooting being bland on purpose.

>>713213616
>and the game gave you no option to not kill
>since nobody that didn't know the game would think that
You might be retarded, but I sat there on my blind first playthrough trying to exit the white phosphorus screen because it made no sense to me that there are so many targets in one spot that aren't trying to run away like all the others.
The game didn't let me do that. So I caked the entire map in fire except that one corner and I still couldn't leave. So I was inching myself closer and closer until that thing just caught on fire, because its hitbox was way bigger than anything else on there. Then the game immediately went "look what you just did, you monster".

A retarded game that is only impressive to retarded brainlets who don't think about what they are doing.

>>713231235
>lacked explosives
Funny enough he gives Walker a grenade launcher to protect the trucks. Sure maybe he attempted to steal some from the 33rd but couldn't. It blows my mind how incompetent Riggs and his team are in the game. He even has the nerve to talk down to Delta half the time they're with him.
Riggs's team also couldn't even tell where exactly Konrad was or if he was even alive. Yet the 33rd was almost always 1 step ahead of him despite their entire command team being dead and having little to no intel on Riggs or Delta. Dumb fuck Riggs was too old to be out in the field and his team were inexperienced.

alright guys, the whole point is that it isn't (you) it literally says at the intro to the game that you are a special guest to Walkers story.

Its just a game.

>>713209714
Then maybe the dumb fucking devs shouldn't have accusatory loading screens

>>713228419
Me too. I know I'm not saying anything new but the actual gameplay is incredibly bland. Story is truly gripping though and makes you wanna keep playing regardless

>>713232496
I don't get why this is so hard to understand. The 4th wall breaks were just shock effects for the player and the loading screen messages weren't mean to be taken that seriously. Walker isn't a blank slate for the player, he already has a bit of a backstory and the player can't really change the outcome of Dubai. The player is just a witness to Walker's story. I'd say the player, Walker and Konrad are the only people that really know what happened to Dubai.

The city is screwed no matter what happens, even if Walker, the CIA or the 33rd never showed up. The city officials abandoned it, the Pentagon and the aid relief NGO all give up on Dubai for reasons that are never truly explained.

>>713207881 (OP)
>>713209714
and also one of the most kino trailers, i remember it vividly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0nYsRCAAH4

>>713228439
It is based if you possess critical thinking and aren't meathead cannon fodder.

>>713232894
In a way it not being understood by retards is the entire reason it's still talked about. So thanks retards!

>>713233506
The irony of it didn't escape me either. People take things too literally about this game. The only other game that comes close is KOTOR 2, especially the scene with the beggar asking you for money. Everyone flips out over the guy dying and Kreia scolding you.

It's a nice game stop taking the story so personally. You're not Walker, you're sitting through the story.
>b-but the writer said-
Well they were either shitposting in interview form or were serious about it but being pretentious, stop taking them so seriously.