Thread 713210391

Why is the Sega Dreamcast so beloved after 25+ years compared to other consoles?

Why do you think?

it had SOVL and good games
that's literally it

>>713210391 (OP)
Good games.

>5th and 6th gens were where gaming peaked
>dreamcast released right in between those 2 and has great games from both eras, often the best way to play the gen 5 multiplats and the exclusives were gen 6 level
>had tons of quirky and experimental games because it was easy to develop for
It's the last console from a era where gaming was about having fun and was for huge nerds with games made by huge nerds. It's the last console before gaming went super corporate when it became about Microsoft and Sony using their infinite money to attempt to one up each other.

>>713210391 (OP)
Sega fanboys overrating an arcadeport machine like always.(see Saturn)

It has so many fucking good games, the amount of truly horrible games on there you can count with one hand

It's easy to pirate
Also it has a bunch of very fun games and some cool gimmicks
>>713212210
Fuck you the Saturn was sick

>"so many good games"
>one arcade port has been listed

>>713211726
>It's the last console before gaming went super corporate when it became about Microsoft and Sony using their infinite money to attempt to one up each other.
This can never be overstated.

>>713210391 (OP)
It's pretty good but incomplete. Saturn is their greatest console.

>>713210391 (OP)
Untapped potential

>>713210391 (OP)
In my opinion Dreamcast had a lot of flaws:
-The controller is outdated. It only has one analog stick. And why is the cord at the BOTTOM of the controller?
-It used GD-ROM instead of DVD. Far lower storage capacity.
-Weak CPU & GPU meant it would struggle with PS2/GC/Xbox games.
-Lacked important 3rd party support from Square Enix or EA Games.

Where Dreamcast shines is that SEGA made a lot of exclusives for it and I do like the arcade/quirky focused games.

But if this system was still alive in 2003 or 2004 it would have been a zombie. The Xbox was getting games like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 at that point. No way in hell could the Dreamcast have ran them.

>>713214164
The Saturn library blows. The Mega Drive is their best console, no contest.

>novelty of being the final SEGA console
>mysterious factor since it came and went fast
>cutting edge technology for a console of the time
>feels like a sweet spot between retro and modern
>easy to hardware mod, literally just screw the parts in
>lots of cool special editions
>had sonic adventure 1 and 2, jsr, and shenmue which people are autistic about to this day

>>713214874
Heh, I just learned there was a DVD addon planned for the Dreamcast. But the idea came way too late when SEGA was dying.

Sega was the most soulful game console manufacturer

>>713215203
>The Saturn library blows.
Nah, I've never seen a coherent reason anyone would think this.
>Mega Drive is their best console
It's extremely good, better than Super Nintendo, but I simply find it to be the best 16-bit console - not Sega's best console.

I want a DC emulator that has the fan sound and the GD-ROM access noises.

I know it can be done because there are commodore 64/Amiga emulators with accurate disk access sound effects.

>>713215840
>I've never seen a coherent reason anyone would think this.
I've never seen a coherent reason anyone would think otherwise.

>>713210391 (OP)
Those who don't like Sega consoles, simply don't like video games.

You can see it in effect when people handwave and dismiss arcade game ports, as if arcade games don't count for some reason - when in fact arcade games are the purest form of video game because of their strict focus on gameplay.

Gameplay focused games make women and homosexuals seethe.

>>713214874
>Weak CPU & GPU meant it would struggle with PS2/GC/Xbox games.
That's silly because the DC came out in 1998, several years before any of those other systems. And at the time it was fucking insanely powerful.
In fact, it took developers of PS2 games at least 12 months to catch up to the graphics capabilities of the DC - especially textures and frame rates.

>>713216074
Don't forget the microwave beep. Yes i know that only happens when the VMU batteries are dead, but they're never not dead

>>713216164
>as if arcade games don't count for some reason
It's not that they don't count so much as in this case it wasn't a lasting advantage. The PS2 in particular got most of that stuff, and often as a better package.

>>713210391 (OP)
Is there any point to buying a Dreamcast in 2025 or should I just stick with emulation?

>>713216258
It was more powerful than the N64 and PS1 for sure. But PS2 outshined it with The Bouncer in 2000. The next year only made the gap bigger...

>>713217170
no
yes

>>713217170
The real hardware is fun

>>713210391 (OP)
The only games I liked were PSO, Record of Lodoss War and Sonic Adventure

>>713217170
>Is there any point to buying a Dreamcast in 2025 or should I just stick with emulation?

Just use Flycast bro

>>713216164
You're misunderstanding my point because I know (You) are speaking directly to me. I love the Genesis but the Dreamcast and Saturn do not have many games that brought anything special to gaming or anything noteworthy. I also love arcade games, but I'm trying to experience things not possible in a quarter munching situation. The market spoke and SEGA's consoles(Saturn/DC) and game selection was just bad.

>>713210778
This is the only game that one weird kid with a Dreamcast had, everyone else had a PS2 with hundreds of games

>>713210391 (OP)
It's not. It's remembered as the console with a terrible controller and bad arcade ports.

>>713217326
3d games deserve to be played at 240p on a 5" black and white CRT. That's what everyone had back then.

>>713210391 (OP)
I just have a lot of nostalgia for it because I couldn't afford one and had to borrow my friend's and loved playing Samba De Amigo, Powerstone, and MvC.
I didn't play PSO on this, I played it on a Gamecube which I did own.

>>713217327
>game selection was just bad
Not true, the games were excellent but consumers struggle with rewarding quality games.

>>713210391 (OP)
It's the perfect storm of having a marketing blitz that utilized a culture (late 90s colors and edginess with nu-metal) that people are nostalgic for, alongside a Sega that was at their absolute peak pumping out great game after great game, coupled with a quirky style that found its way into just about every game - third-party or otherwise - that often used vibrant, eye-catching graphics and excellent sound capabilities.

It's a one-of-a-kind console. The N64, PS1, and Saturn were too early in the 3D days to have lasting appeal, with everything either being blocky (PS1 and Saturn) or featuring ugly, muddy textures (N64). Characters looked like action figures that relied on textures for expression. You had to have been there to appreciate how mind-blowing it was that Spider-Man had individual fingers in the Dreamcast port of the Neversoft game, or seeing Code Veronica's facial expressions for the first time. It's the sweet spot for 3D graphics. The PS2, GameCube, and Xbox were too powerful... that's when devs starting chasing ultrarealism with some success.

>>713210391 (OP)
I got a Dreamcast for Christmas in 2000, and my parents could only afford a couple of games at first, but I was so excited and grateful. At first it was Crazy Taxi and Quake III Arena. I got others over the next few years, but it doesn't matter which. It had numerous good games of different genres, so look up the list and claim there's nothing worthwhile that you could buy for this system...

I don't really care to compare the tech, I just love it for nostalgia--for the good times I had playing games on it. I don't really care if those games were exclusive. I kept my Dreamcast--I don't play it, but I'll keep it until I'm dead, because it feels good to do it <3

Same with my Genesis. I was born in 1990, and Sega Channel on my Dad's Genesis is a core childhood memory for me. Same with playing the Tony Hawk demo on the PS1 for hours eating delivery pizza. My measure of the console is only how much fun I had using it.


None of that makes any of these consoles objectively superior, but the question is why are they beloved, so... I hope I don't need to explain that it's about more than just being the best tech, especially for someone who isn't an adult, but also for plenty of adults, and it's reasonable...

>>713217170
It's very soulful with the wonky controller and memory card animations but I'd stick with emulation because I think Dreamcasts are getting more expensive.

>>713210391 (OP)
lmao what
no one even remembers this shit existed outside of when people are discussing gaming failures

>>713210391 (OP)
only sonicfags care about this thing

>>713218130
Reads like Dreamcast cope.
PS2 games were still stylized but used the extra power to actually enhance gameplay.

Who cares if Spiderman got some fingers when GTA has entire NPCs full of them?

>>713218581
It was niche, but it's definitely enjoyed in certain circles (especially among shmuppers).

>>713218581
you weren't alive when it came out lmao

>>713218104
>still memeing with the same arcade port
You could've posted something like Skies of Arcadia or Cannon Spike. But even Cannon Spike is a 30 minute game and another arcade port.

>>713218646
>only sonicfags care about this thing

True

Sonic Mania for Sega Dreamcast port is almost complete

>>713218692
>Reads like Dreamcast cope
That's because it is. No one was waiting 1-2 extra years to play a "better" version of a game on Dreamcast because they had extra fingers, lmao.

>>713218692
This looks worse than games like Blue Stinger or PSO because of the textures.

SA1 and SA2 were Iizuka's passion projects for bringing Sonic into 3D

Sonic Adventure's original lighting was really ambitious and dynamic, it's a shame they had to downgrade it before launch

In the Tokyo International Forum, you can see the Ninja Lights system in action. Dynamic shadows, lights and other effects that aren’t seen in the final game.

The final game removed most of the Ninja Lights system, but some of it is still leftover. Some objects like the TVs still use Ninja Lighting.

The Dreamcast had the ability to perform what was called Order Independent Transparency which SA2 used extensively for things such as item balloons and artificial chaos. When SA2 and SA1 was ported to Gamecube, many of the transparency features that the Dreamcast had couldn't be replicated and they were never fixed for the PC port.

Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were extremely ambitious. Sonic Adventure 2 is a much, much, much more robust game internally than SA1. I cannot stress that enough. It is much more flexible in every conceivable way, and it is really impressive how much Sonic Team improved on in such a short time frame. But it is still obviously based on SA1 and shares a lot of infrastructure, albeit greatly improved

>>713218927
>>713218692
You asked and I answered. You acknowledge there's nostalgia over the console, and I told you why based on my personal account of actually being alive when it came out.

>>713217202
You just posted a pre-rendered CGI cutscene here. The actual gameplay models are very simple and the game could be easily on the DC. Regardless, tech demos are a bit shit benchmark for real video games, I could post similar shit but no game actually looked like that back in the day.
https://youtu.be/UvmoeekV3bM?t=320

>>713218764
You say 30 minutes like it's a bad thing.

>>713218953
>This looks worse than games like Blue Stinger
This game? Bruh they got no textures. They look like Barbie dolls.

>>713219015
ninja lights mod for steam port when?

>>713216129
People that dog on the Saturn library know nothing about JP releases. Completely different console overseas.

>>713219107
And it aged better than this.

>>713219303
delusional

>>713219093
>You say 30 minutes like it's a bad thing
>Console fails to sell
>Now you are a 3rd party
You're a marketing genius.

>>713219369
Agreed, you are :^)

GTA3 and Vice City play on DC now.

>>713219303
>It matches the box art.
Sorry bitch. Dreamcast just can't compete against PS2-Chad.

The Bouncer was trash.

>>713219168
I do know about it, though. It just doesn't interest me whatsoever. I don't think I could name 5 Saturn games I give a shit about.

>>713219107
>>713219303
dctroons are funny

>>713210391 (OP)
sega fans are highly autistic. often they only play sega games so they overrate many mediocre games. they also ignore the fact that almost every worthwhile dreamcast game was ported to other consoles and pc ages ago.
t. bought a dreamcast in 2000 and still have it

>>713219403
I already said the market doesn't reward quality, try and keep up here.

>>713219705
Most of the games that got ported were bad (Shenmue, Sonic, etc). You wouldn't know this because you don't play videogames.

>>713219783
fanboy cope

>>713219705
personally i don't think later ports detract from how good a system was. it's like saying the snes sucks or something, that console ruled.

>>713219767
>bro the 32x and SEGA CD were just misunderstood masterpieces!

>>713210391 (OP)
-large amount of experimental/artsy games
-sports games for dudebros
-vmu gimmick so each player has a secret screen
-arcade perfect ports, and it finally killed arcades
-best versions of n64/ps1 ports
-netplay
-internet browser for porn

when dreamcast came out it was legit "next gen".
but lol nothing was going to beat ps2.

>>713219864
You are a nigger, I am white. You can't win.

>>713220058
>-large amount of experimental/artsy games
PS2 had it beat by far.
>-sports games for dudebros
It didn't even have EA titles. EA sucks nowadays but Sega Sports were never good.

>>713220058
>-sports games for dudebros
It was the opposite. SEGA burned bridges with EA and they were forced to come up with their own sports titles.

But the big hitters like Madden was still going to PS1 & N64 with no Dreamcast version.

>>713219947
That's correct, but what's your point exactly? Sega wasn't put out of the console business for making bad games, they were making great games at the time. They simply ran out of money.

>>713219946
I don't think it necessarily detracts from it especially if the games were ported much later or something but it doesn't help. When most of the games were available elsewhere within a few years it is hard to argue that those games make the console special. It's also very different saying "Dreamcast was awesome" to saying "Dreamcast is the greatest ever" which is a common opinion on /v/.

It's a bit overhyped up but I really enjoyed it back in the day. I had the N64 and PS2 later on and played on my friends Xbox to compare, honestly it was all the same fun to me, I still had a good time on Dreamcast. Mostly had fighting games and mecha games on it and uh sonic and berserk and some other random ones I can't remember

>>713210391 (OP)
Because at the time dream cast was actually the better system between the PS1 and N64, but it was ahead of its time. It was more on par with the Xbox and PS2.
Great set of games too.

>>713220594
>It was more on par with the Xbox and PS2.
Xbox was a complete beast. It was already a gen leap over the Dreamcast.

>>713220420
>good games sell... but not when SEGA is making them

>>713220481
>. When most of the games were available elsewhere within a few years it is hard to argue that those games make the console special.
i disagree just because i was around for it and at the time, it was special which is why you see so much nostalgia for the dreamcast. the rate at which it was getting games was very impressive too, despite only living for 2 years it had more games total than the gamecube did. skies of arcadia, grandia 2, and shenmue all came out within a month of each other, it was pretty crazy how good the game density was. i hate to link to reddit but this is one of the first results i found on google and the post looks decent, seriously, take a look at the OP for this and I think you'll get why people have such fond memories of the dreamcast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dreamcast/comments/1exc7gh/every_north_american_dreamcast_game_in_release/

>It's also very different saying "Dreamcast was awesome" to saying "Dreamcast is the greatest ever" which is a common opinion on /v/.
yeah i'm not gonna act like the dreamcast was the best console but it was seriously great at the time.

>>713218692
Believe it or not, GTA III development was started by making a Dreamcast prototype for GTA II in third person instead of top down. Pretty sure they were planning on releasing it on Dreamcast too, but cancelled the port because it died months before release.

>>713220961
I owned a Dreamcast and I really liked it but I also owned a PS2 and the PS2 absolutely blew the Dreamcast away in terms of number of games, variety, and quality.

>>713221016
lack of a second analog stick would have made it awful to play like many games in the Dreamcast.

>>713210391 (OP)
The games had soul

>>713220840
>good games sell
No, this has never been why games sell. Once again, what is your point exactly? Trying to console war over 30 year old consoles? The internet hath no fury like the once jilted Nintendo fan.

>>713221192
Literally.

>>713221256
Oh ok, you're actually mentally ill. I'm moving on.

>>713221089
i also had a ps2 as well and i agree with that. i think the case can be made for the ps1 library being as good as the ps2 as well but the dreamcast really came and went with a bang.

>>713221341
Giving up so easily? Your constitution is too delicate.

Is it good?

The biggest issue is that Sega really blew their load by dropping it 2 years ahead of time, the processing and resolution were for sure more capable than any gaming device at the time, but it wasn't enough of a paradigm shift to really change things, especially as far as the west was concerned, since consumers knew the PS2 was coming by the time Dreamcast was out. Even if it was just as capable spec wise, they couldn't beat the double-layered convenience of backwards compatibility and DVD playback.

As far as the library is concerned, coming out as early as it did leaves the Dreamcast in an interesting spot. While most games that took advantage of the hardware were arcade ports, there were plenty of titles that came over from N64 and PS1, effectively being "definitive" ports of those games. I can't imagine it could've survived many more years past 2001, as that year already had a knockout release table for the PS2, completely blowing out whatever they had in store, but it is a very nice device to own in the current landscape, where you can be a lot more picky about what you can play, it's nice to just load up a game straight from an SD card modification with little hassle involved.

>>713221187
Most Dreamcast games weren't so bad in that respect as they were just N64/PS/PC ports. Very few PS games made good use of the right analog stick. Dreamcast to me always felt like more of a gen 5.5 console than a proper 6th gen console. A mod team actually did port the game to Dreamcast, but I haven't tried it myself yet.

>>713218104
>tfw go to play GC version
>analog feels weird as shit compared to the DC version
>end up playing DC version using D pad anyway

>>713220368
>>713220372
>Sega Sports were never good
Completely incorrect. Dreamcast had the best sports games by far, the developers of said games are still making sports games to this day for 2K. You should try to understand these things better before sharing your terribly uninformed opinions about them. Visual Concepts and Black Box were the leading developers in those genres and they were making Sega sports games.

>>713220372
The Sega 2Kx games were actually better than Madden. That's why EA bought exclusive rights to the NFL license.

>>713210391 (OP)
project justice
marvel vs capcom 2
rush san francisco
san francisco rush 2049
virtual on

>>713222118
Yep. EA sports games don't fetch these prices.

>>713221904
>pretending 2K doesn't make slop to "own" your enemies
Whatever helps you sleep next to your dead console.

>>713222310
Action 52 is really the greatest game for the NES.

>>713222389
You're uninformed and it shows.

>>713222476
Missing the point.

>>713218646
Dreamcast was my favorite console and the last Sonic game I played was on Genesis

What Dreamcast ports are the definitive versions?

>Shenmue
>discovered Berserk by randomly renting the Berserk game because the cover looked cool at Blockbuster
>PSO was the first MMO type game I ever played
>Soul Caliber
>NFL2K
>Giant Gram
I loved my Dreamcast

>>713222778
The ones you want to play, just not Toy Story 2 that one is awful on DC.

>>713222778
soul reaver

Why hasn't this gotten a modern port or remake/remaster?

The fighting games were good and pirating DC games introduced me to torrents. Pirating psx games had required me to rent them then burn them, so there was still a gating factor. I was able to play literally every DC game I wanted to within a couple of hours. Also, it's the first place I played Mr Driller. But yeah the fighting game ports were top tier

>>713222778
RE: Code Veronica (shit game but still)
Soul Caliber (better than the arcade version)
Sonic Adventure 2
Daytona USA on it was really good too, even though it's kind of a hybrid of 1 and 2 for arcade.

>>713210391 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNkEg6wQeM

>>713222991
>sonic team made a new game for it
>it was an apple arcade exclusive
Criminal.

>>713222532
>You're uninformed and it shows
I'm really not, but why don't you inform me?
I even admitted that EA is a shitty sports company now. 2K is the same. Are they not? I could never get into their games back in the 00s because they felt way too floaty and arcadey.
>Missing the point
What is the point? Collectors moronic prices are not reflective of anything much less quality.

This console really excels at all the types of games I have no interest in.

>>713223560
What types of games ARE you interested in?

>>713223736
Games? Who the fuck plays games on /v/? I'm not a goy like you, goy.

why didnt sega invest more in phantasy star? its insane how they gave more attention to sega of europe than this.

>>713210391 (OP)
Overshadowed by the PS2. Probably the easiest video game console to start playing burned disc games on. This making the game library really accessible.

I got my Dreamcast when it was being sold for peanuts.

>>713224658
>why didnt sega invest more in phantasy star?
Like how? I dont remember any game like it on a console from back then.

>>713224886
They game won a crap ton of awards and got high reviews on Dreamcast and GameCube. Instead of doubling down after blue burst and episode 3 they released a god awful game the same year as Sonic 06 called PSU by Yuji Naka and they never recovered.

>>713213781
>Horrible Dreamcast games
The demolition derby Star Wars game, what else?

Even Timestalker is decent for a mystery dungeon game.

>>713211726
Very accurate post, especially the 3rd party stuff like RE2 and 3, loved being able to look at the VMU for my status.
I loved the VMU in general to be honest, underappreciated gimmick for memory cards, just wish it didn't murder batteries the way it did.

>>713216275
> but they're never not dead

Felt this in my soul.

>>713225615
Just in my Dreamcast Library (I own about a fifth of the US Library so about 50 or so titles)

Spec Ops
Spirit of Speed
The wrestling games (I don't hate wrestling games in general but the ones on DC really suck)

>>713217170
You can buy a DC pretty cheap then mod it with one of these.
https://terraonion.com/en/producto/terraonion-mode/
Worth every fucking penny to me, emulation can't recreate the dreamcast kino, from the VMU to the beep from the dead VMU's, and of course the bulky ass controllers.

>>713210778
Yes also remember that pic-related was an actual launch title insane at the time this was the cutting edge!!!!

https://youtu.be/AZk1mGMQSa0?si=KUQUPQ6BeIvc2s-2

>>713222778
How are the ode?

>>713216275
Those things die in less than 15 minutes of constant activity.
I put new ones in the other day and tested it, forgot to turn it off after just putting it down for a second and it still beeped

>>713222778
Almost every Capcom release
Almost every Sega NAOMI port (including Capcom releases)
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1
Hydro Thunder

>>713219506
funny you posted that because 3 and VC just got ported to Dreamcast

>>713221530
yes

>>713225873
it works but make sure your dreamcast psu isnt dirty or too old. you dont want the reset of death.

>>713226903
I've got two working consoles. My childhood one and a black 2k sports one I got for $5, I never tested it.

>>713221904
why are you arguing with a retard who never
1. Been there
2. Played the fucking games
being uninformed was already the hint that mocking him for being a retard was the only follow up you needed

The VMU is cool, that's why

>>713210391 (OP)
It promised a future that never came, and died before reality could kill it on 9/11. I keep gaslighting myself into thinking I can remember it firsthand, but it's just echoes.

>>713210391 (OP)
Buyer remorse, love for the loser/small company and sega (completely delusional and already gone) fans. My favourite part is some of the praise which became meaningless and meaningless over time like "arcade fidelity". And you have fun games and amazing titles like: >>713210778 how many times can you play that game? 1? 2? 3? For what? Points? woah... points!!! And you search for recommended games and it's like... that's it? 5 titles? Saturn tier and completely irrelevant.

>>713227294
Offering the more believable reality over his manipulative presupposition. It's not an argument for him, it's for everyone else to read.

>>713227409
Funny how the Wii U had the same idea but also bombed. Putting a screen in the controller was the kiss of death.

Bump!

>>713227409
Really what could they do?