Thread 713222183

>panned on release
>now recognized as a masterpiece and arguably the best game in the series
what happened between then and now?

>>713222183 (OP)
It needs a sequel where you can travel under water in a submarine. Also a Mario Sunshine 2 needs to happen

Top 5
1. Wind Waker
2. Link's Awakening
3. Legend of Zelda (1)
4. Ocarina of Time
5. Link to the Past

I have always liked Wind Waker. From the first time I saw the reveal trailer I was completely hooked on the aesthetic and the cartoony vibe. The only complaints I had involved the sailing, which were pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and I wished they would have had at least one larger island too but it was still tons of fun and something different from the ordinary. It is much better than Twilight Princess in my opinion.

>>713222183 (OP)
People begging for a Wind Waker HD Switch port for eight years and Nintendo just dumped the GameCube version on NSO lol

>>713222454
Top 5:
5. A Link to the Past
4. Wind Waker
3. Link's Awakening
2. Ocarina of Time
1. Breath of the Wild

Honorable mention: The Legend of Zelda which I considered for #5

>>713222659
>1. Breath of the Wild
disgusting

>>713222183 (OP)
>>now recognized as a masterpiece and arguably the best game in the series
cute bait

>give you an open sea to explore
>"uh no sorry, you can't go explore until you finish the first dungeon"
>"uh no sorry, you need to finish the second dungeon right now"
>finally get a chance to explore
>can't do shit with the items you have at the time
>go do third dungeon, can barely do a bit more, best to just explore at the end of the game once you have everything
The linear design of WW's dungeons and items is completely at odds with the open world and it is a worse game because of this mismatch

>>713222705
Breath of the Wild is brilliant. It's one of the best games ever made, possibly the best.

>masterpiece
>most brain dead dungeons in the entire series, not even finished, Ganon's "castle" is a boss rush against some of the easiest bosses in the entire series with an ugly sepia filter slapped on
It's definitely one of the Zeldas with the most soul though.

>>713222817
/v/: botw sucks we hate open world we want linear focused games
also /v/: why isn't this game open world?

>>713222183 (OP)
zoomers who played it as a kid now make up the majority of video game discourse online, and so control the narrative on what is and is not a good game.

>>713222910
Retarded defeatist opinion from a loser who never made his voice heard

>>713222183 (OP)
1) Drastic change in artstyle from OoT/MM
2) Everybody was obsessed with Call of Duty and if you didn't like brown & bloom then you weren't cool

they just need to fix the part near the end
you know that part...
also the empty islands

>>713223017
>they just need to fix the part near the end
>you know that part...
The Wind Temple? The Earth Temple? The Triforce hunt? Sunken Hyrule? Ganon's castle?

>>713223012
projection. I defend the games I like voraciously, I simply don't care about Zelda.

Is the Wii U worth buying for Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD? What are the odds of them getting ports?

>>713223116
the middle one

>>713223168
>Is the Wii U worth buying for Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD?
just emulate them, you fucking retard

>>713222183 (OP)
still the worst zelda ever made
ruined the artstyle for years too
its a blight on the franchise

>>713222183 (OP)
It still sucks. It's still pretty.

>>713222910
this, this is why the zoomer who replied to it coped saying "le defeatits opinion!" when it is true.

>>713223212
What artstyle? The only game that have anything in common are spinoffs on the same engines?

>>713223212
Skyward Sword is far worse than any other Zelda game. It's the only one I would say is actually bad.

>>713223297
the shitty toon artstyle is the worst thing to happen to zelda

>>713222183 (OP)
>what happened between then and now?
Nothing because that shit never happened. This game is still rightfully shit on for being unfinished kusoge.

>>713222183 (OP)
No, it still sucks.

>>713222705
BOTW/TOTK are remakes of WW, like how OOT is a remake of Zelda 2.

>>713223357
What did it change? The next main game TTP which was the most realistic art-style they ever used.

WWHD made me realize how short yet padded the game is.The dungeons are an absolute joke and because of how rushed the game was, they don't ramp up in difficulty or complexity. Medli's dungeon is fucking boring. I'd even argue the sailing isn't an issue, it's the fact that the islands have fuck all worth getting.

>>713222705
It's genuinely one of the best Zelda games ever made.
>b-but linear dungeons-
I have shot the eye to open doors and pushed blocks to unlock gates a million times. BotW was actually innovative and captured the feeling of adventure better than any other Zelda game.

>>713222183 (OP)
Because kids and teenagers who played the game then and like it then are now grown adults

>>713223625
>I have shot the eye to open doors and pushed blocks to unlock gates a million times
you say this like botw got rid of those 'puzzles'
and dropping balls on switches or burning vines isn't new or innovative either

Rushed game hard carried by art direction and music. Too anemic as a traditional Zelda and not enough depth in its sea experiment. Falls short on all fronts, a bottom 5 Zelda. Shame, it's a great idea that got the short stick in development.

>>713223625
Linear dungeons aren't the problem, dungeons that last 20 minutes if you're lucky are. Hyrule Castle is amazing because you can fuck off and get lost in it for 2-3 hours if you want. THAT'S the dungeon design I want in these open Zeldas, not this mickey mouse divine beast/shrine nonsense.

>>713222183 (OP)
"I'd rather play TWW rather than the open world garbage on Switch" does not equate calling it a masterpiece.

You can tell the game was rushed to save the Gamecube, Hyrule field is there but you get cock blocked from ever stepping foot in it, Ganon's Tower might as well be a short boss rush, the islands in the great sea are just tiny distractions to break up the otherwise boring sailing, 90% of the ideas that didn't make it were probably reused in TP. I kinda wouldve loved to have seen a complete version with everything as intended but Aonuma is probably too stupid

>>713222183 (OP)
>now recognized as a masterpiece and arguably the best game in the series
You can repeat this as many times as you want, but it will never be true.

>>713225025
Aonuma has confirmed that WW's cut dungeons were used in TP. I don't think he's ever said which ones they are.

Wind walker HD was the first Zelda game I played to finish. TP HD came after, followed by OOT (n64 and 3ds) and finally bore of the wild. Cant bring myself to finishing tears of the $79 dlc. I love wind waker and oot the most.

>>713225208
You should try a 2D Zelda. A Link to the Past is a good one to try, with Link's Awakening and the Oracles duology to follow.

>>713225551
I’ve never played a 2d Zelda. Is that on the NSO by chance? I need something to play before DK.

>>713222183 (OP)
Geezeranon. People at the time were still expecting a march towards more realisim, more complexity, higher polygons. The idea of styliziation on simpler things wasn't a thing.

See also, Space World demo.

>>713225653
ALttP should be on there and if its not emulate it, that game could probably be emulated on a cheap phone by now. Its pretty much the foundational game that set the series standard in terms of dungeon design and quest progression in the later 3d titles, well except its in 2d but still.

>>713225976
One thing I think Zelda does a lot it “how the fuck am I supposed to know to do that” moments. Does 2d Zelda have the same?

When it was released games needed replability and all this game had was the photography thing

>>713222183 (OP)
It was critically acclaimed on release retard. The criticism was after the demo because people didn't like the cartoony artstyle after seeing a more realistic-looking Zelda at the previous Spaceworld. When the game actually came out people liked it.

>>713222910
>zoomers
WW came out in 2002 anon

>>713222183 (OP)
I tried it on the gamecube classics app and it was probably the worst 3d Zelda I've played, is this a joke or what? Not to mention that it is basically unplayable on the switch 2 because of the input lag

>>713222183 (OP)
the babbies who played wind waker when they were kids grew up and control discussion about it online

>>713222454
I agree

>>713222183 (OP)
It wasn't panned on release, it was panned BEFORE it released. People judged it based on the E3 reveal because they thought Zelda was abandoning gameplay for being cheap and for children like many shovelware games on Nintendo platforms. Once it came out people's opinions changed.

>>713222910
I'm older than you are. Sit down.

>>713226547
>input lag
does it still do that docked?

>>713226547
Now THIS is a zoomer's opinion.

>>713222183 (OP)
I had it as a kid. It was my first Zelda game and I loved it a lot. Most of my friends had Gamecube and several of them also had this game. It wasn't until many years later that I learned the Gamecube was a failure or that this game was hated. I always liked it.

>>713226739
This is true. Part of it was also because the PS2 and Xbox had just come out so there was a trend of moving towards "realism" and people thought Nintendo was refusing to make "big boy" games. Super Mario Sunshine was also made fun of. Nintendo released Eternal Darkness the same year as both of those games though so it's not like they were afraid to make M rated games.

>>713226803
You need to play undocked with a switch 1 pro controller and there won't be any input lag.

>>713226739
Dunno why, it feels tuned to be way easier than the games that came before it. I played the N64 Zeldas and the Oracles before WW came out and even back then something felt off about the game.

>>713222705
it's the only zelda he actually played

it's a good and comfy game but calling it a masterpiece is a stretch, there's plenty of flaws that hold it back from being the best result they could've made
crunch is bad mkay

>>713226805
Might be a zoomer but it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

>>713226287
Yeah theres a good amount of stuff like that in there (mainly to facilitate guide sales and hotline calls) but nowadays its a thing of the past, I still remember getting stuck in Wind Waker's Triforce hunt and having to either buy a guide or just go to the library and print out what I needed to do next.

>>713226803
Yeah I only play it docked, the switch 2 LCD panel is dogshit
>>713226926
My OLED tv has no noticeable input lag, probably even has less than playing it portable

>>713222183 (OP)
>now recognized as a masterpiece and arguably the best game in the series
Only by retards with extremely low standards and very thick nostalgia goggles. Wind Waker is one of the worst 3D Zeldas, the art style and sailing are cool, but it has the worst fucking dungeons in the entire series, is pathetically easy and has a lot of pacing issues, no doubt thanks to the game being unfinished.

>>713222183 (OP)
Is that...
A WESTERN CODED ZANY GAME FOR ME!!?!?
I LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713227306
>worst fucking dungeons
Dragon Roost Cavern is cozy.

The sailing absolutely made this game for me and I wouldn't change a thing about it. The music, the sounds, the feeling of traversing vast expanses of ocean while watching the weather and daylight change as distant islands show up on the horizon is un-fucking-matched and I always loved being able to just relax and take it all in without worrying about too many enemies or distractions. I don't know how the fuck they did it, but despite the cartoonish aesthetic there's not a single game in existence that's quite like Wind Waker's sense of immersion.

If I have critiques of the game, it's the too-easy dungeons and the fact that much of the overworld is deceptively gated until the very end. But don't you dare tell me that Wind Waker doesn't fucking nail the presentation and atmosphere.

Medli best girl

>>713223116
>The Wind Temple?
Legitimately good dungeon. Even WW's harshest detractors agree this is the best one in the game.
>The Earth Temple?
It's fine.
>The Triforce hunt?
Unironically the best part of the game and the thing that WW should have focused on from the start.
>Sunken Hyrule? Ganon's castle?
They're alright. I guess it would have been nice to be able to explore more of Hyrule though.

>>713222183 (OP)
>panned on release
Never happened. It was panned on premiere but beloved on release.

>>713222183 (OP)
It might have got a lot of undeserved hate for it on release for it but now people give Wind Waker undeserved praise for the quirky artstyle. Twilight Princess is the better game in almost every way even if it didn't age as well visually.

>what happened between then and now?
People actually played it is what happened.
It was panned on release because of two things-
The dramatic artstyle shift, and the GCN tech demo that was more in line with OoT or Link's appearance in Soul Caliber 2.
They got everyone hyped up for a sword duel with Ganondorf, then give us this cartoony cel-shaded surprise.

>>713225653
>Is that on the NSO by chance?
NSO has Zelda 1 and 2(NES), LttP(SNES), Link's Awakening(GB) Oracle of Seasons and Ages(GB), and Minish Cap(GBA).
Everything before the DS.

>>713222418
Fpwp

>>713222183 (OP)
1. Majora's Mask
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Link Between Worlds
4. Link to the Past
5. Oracle of Ages

>>713228087
I never liked the Wind Temple when I was a kid because you had to juggle 4 different items with only 3 item buttoms.

>>713222183 (OP)
My Uncle is Miyamoto and this is the objectively correct consol Zelda ranking.

MM>OoT>LA>BotW>aLttP>SS (Yes fuck you)>Zelda>TP>WW>Link>TotK

>>713222183 (OP)
Standards have drastically shifted, and so have people's priorities. If you compare Wind Waker to other standard 3D Zeldas, it honestly sits in the lower end, but people are willing to praise it so much more now just because it's not BotW or TotK.

Also the usual, people who grew up with the Gamecube are at the age where they're the loudest opinions online now. You can currently see this with just about any fandom of any series that had a game on the Gamecube.

>>713222484
Is their online good though or are these old games poorly emulated? I am about to finally buy this Switch so I can catch up on all these great games I have missed out on. Last Nintendo console I played was Wii but casually and only a handful of games. I mainly games on PS3 and 360 at the time. Wii was at my friends and sometimes with the gf.

Is twilight princess good?

>>713228859
All of those girls have red color schemes and 5 letter names that start with M. What is their connection with Mario?

>>713227704
Shit gameplay, amazing soul. Perfect Toddlers first Zelda followed by TotK.

>>713228913
If the series ever dies I hope it ends with the M theory.

>>713228913
Mario is Midna?

>>713228878
>If you compare Wind Waker to other standard 3D Zeldas, it honestly sits in the lower end
Nah, it's better than TP and SS.

>>713222183 (OP)
>now recognized as a masterpiece and arguably the best game in the series
>WW
What echo chamber do you belong to where WW is considered the best anything, literal child?

>>713225167
>I don't think he's ever said which ones they are
Concept art of Stovepipe Island points to one of them being the Goron Mines from Twilight Princess.
Ice Ring Isle could have been the spot for the other missing dungeon, so maybe the Snowpeak Ruins were originally supposed to be there.
There's also the matter of the Greatfish Isle and unused assets showing that Jabun was going to do more than just shit out a pearl and fuck off.

>>713229234
Gameplay wise? Not even fucking close. It's got comfy soul, a neat world. The brain dead combat, ninja warrior obstacles, and metriod puzzles (You either have the item or dont, nothing to really solve) are just awful though.

the open world is pretty good, the seamless travel over the ocean is nice and comfy
the dungeons are probably the weakest out of all 3D Zeldas
the art style is still incredible though, still holds up 22 years later

>>713229451
Ice island makes sense. I think the Mountain Manor is the best dungeon in the series.

>>713226287
Zelda 1 and 2 are pretty egregious but ALttP wasn't that opaque.

>>713229453
TP's puzzles are just as braindead but this time with a shittier overworld and far less side activities. SS is fucking dogwater dude, nobody thinks that's anything more than the worst 3D Zelda ever made.

>>713229534
>the art style is still incredible though, still holds up 22 years later
So true, it's weird how more games didnt copy this.

>>713222183 (OP)
thank god Nintendo course corrected with Twilight Princess, no clue what the fuck they were thinking with Wind Waker. absolutely no part of it is a decent video game.

>>713229534
>artstyle is the only thing praised about the game
>Nintendo felt the need to modernize them
makes you think

>>713229591
But they are actual puzzles so that puts them ahead of WW. The islands weren't even shitty puzzles, you either had the item or you didnt. Nothing to solve.
SS had the buddhist temple and Ozymandias desert temples that were some of the best in the series, it's unfortunate it was mixed in with some real repetitive garbage.

>>713222454
This is it. Indisputable however I look at it

1. Tears of the Kingdom
2. A Link to the Past
3. Majora's Mask
4. Ocarina of Time
5. Breath of the Wild

All other opinions are invalid.

>>713229817
Wind Waker is hands down the worst overworld I've seen in a video game.

>>713222183 (OP)
>arguably the best game in the series
Not with those dungeons

>>713229817
>But they are actual puzzles
No they weren't retard, they were literally what you just described for Wind Waker. Go replay the fucking Temple of Time and see how utterly embarrassing that dungeon is, or any of TP's "follow a straight line and use the item" formats. It was also confirmed that WW's cut dungeons ended up in TP so don't act like there's some marked difference in quality.
SS's Ancient Cistern gets by entirely on vibes alone, there's literally a tablet in that dungeon that tells you exactly how to solve what would have been the only interesting puzzle in it.

>>713222183 (OP)
bottom tier

>>713222910
I played that shit first time in college fuck off

>>713229948
That looks kino, anon. What are you on about?

>>713230023
>Temple of Time
NTA, but that dungeon was really cool and it fixed problems plaguing Wind Waker. Instead of having to play a stupid fucking song to switch between characters they had the foresight to just have it be one button press. Taking the statue back through the dungeon solving puzzles with it is easily better than anything that happens in Wind Waker.

>>713230024
Surprisingly good list, the only one I disagree with is TP which should be way lower.

>>713230154
I'm talking about the level design, it's atrocious, what are you fucking blind.

>>713230179
I'm guessing you dislike the linearity in progression, and the length of time from the start to the first dungeon?

>>713230267
I dislike most of the dungeons except for Snowpeak Ruins. I especially dislike the overworld and the fact that there's very little optional side content.

I always liked it, and playing the demo made me want it even more.
>Free camera movements
>Cool visuals
>Fluid movements, especially during combat, to date WW has the best movements in a Zelda game period
>Traveling the sea was relaxing at night
>Featured the best Zelda design to date
I will agree in hindsight that it needed more, but the first time around was amazing.
If they're hellbent on sticking with BotW's format, WW needs to be BotW-fied, that big map and a lot of ocean to travel in has a lot of potential for a great seafaring adventure.

>>713222183 (OP)
Kiddies who grew up with only the Game Cube are now adults and pretend their shitty games are good.

>>713230023
Imagine getting this worked up over some WW criticisms, kek. How pathetic is your life? This is why no woman will ever fuck you and to your father's eternal shame your genetic line will die. Maybe if you make some real shitty autistic arguments on a Mongolian Basket weaving forum you'll feel better though, LOL!

>>713230430
As much as I'd like to see that it won't happen, Nintendo seems more averse to experimenting as much as they were willing to do with the GCN titles.

>>713222183 (OP)
It's alright.

>>713230513
Concession accepted retard-kun

>>713222183 (OP)
>arguably the best game in the series
yeah fucking right

>>713230216
What's wrong with the level design? Tower of the Gods had a cool gimmick with the rising and falling water.

>>713230608
And a weeb, who was too stupid to get into college.
Pottery

>>713222183 (OP)
WW is my favorite Zelda game, which makes it even more tragic that it was rushed out the door hard since it makes me seriously wonder what could have been.

>>713230430
>it needed more
This is true of everything I like.

>>713222183 (OP)
even as a kid I thought the game was a huge disappointment with short dungeons and stupid content like that tingle gba shit

aonuma ruined LoZ

>>713230024
Shit list

>>713223486
>they don't ramp up in difficulty or complexity
BUT
IT
COMFY

>>713222183 (OP)
People played it

>a grand total of two inhabited human islands

I don't get the hype honestly. If there were a bunch of cool islands and settlements I could see how this game would be cool, but it's just so damn empty.

>>713230774
I'm actually gonna go against the grain here and wonder if maybe WW would have been even worse with more time in the oven. What if they just put more linear dungeons in it with even less opportunities for free-roaming? I think sometimes we tend to only focus on th qualities we like and then project our imagined improvements onto the developers without realizing that maybe they just would have made the game's design at even greater odds with itself.

>>713230870
Everyone knows Link should be S+
>>713230896
It's so fucking comfy, so comfy Anons forget how bad the actual game is.

>>713230940
You'd think with such a shitty world they live in, someone would use the power of the triforce to wish for the sprawling fields of Hyrule to be back.

>>713230940
>human
???
Why did you specifically want more human islands

>>713222183 (OP)
>now recognized as a masterpiece

>>713231139
Honestly I don't even know who these WW fans are. Are these all the femanons that post here?

>>713231270
>Honestly I don't even know who these WW fans are
The cognitively challenged, AKA retards

Wind waker seems like the last Zelda where they didn’t autistically hyper fixate on one aspect so the game isn’t well put together. skyward sword had the forced wii mote gameplay, breath of the wild an open world, and twilight princess an edgy backdrop for the times. some of these were also either rushed out in an attempt to revive a fading console or delayed and put on the shelf cause of things like the wii u failing. I haven’t read up on it but am curious how the wii u failing affected the development of botw. wind waker was also somewhat unfinished.

>>713222183 (OP)
The edgelord phase ended, but it really doesn't deserve it. It's too easy.

>>713222183 (OP)
I tink Zeruda get stale, so I make Windu Waika

You hate Windu Waika nd tink it fo babies, so I forrow OOT and make tuwairaito purincess.

Oooooo but nooooo now you hate TUWAIRATIO PURINCESS. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA NOW.

WELL YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU RIKE!

SO I MORPHU TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSU AND WINDA WAIKA AND GIB U SKYWAADO SWORDO

AND YOU DONT RIKE SKYEWAADO SWORDU TOO. YOU ROVU WINDA WAIKA AND TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSS NOW.

I GIVE U BREASS OF WIRDE AND YOU DONT RIKE THAT EVAA

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT!!!??

>>713223168
buy a wii u and use it emulate all earlier nintendo consoles you fucking retard

>>713222418
Erm it already has a sequel alshually sweaty

>>713231438
Sky and underground were shelved because of the Wii U
>Yes, there are the skies and caves to explore now. These are also areas we weren't able to create in the previous title for multiple reasons.
>Actually, the previous title, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, was originally developed for Wii U, so there were restrictions in development. There were a lot of ideas we wanted to implement during its development, but we made clear decisions on what we wouldn’t do in that game. For example, we decided that it wouldn't involve flying. Then Aonuma-san kept saying, "If flying is out of the question, I want to dig underground!". And we'd respond, "Oh no! Please don't make us develop that too!". (Laughs)

>>713231758
You to get fired, Aonuma.

>>713222183 (OP)
>arguably the best game in the series
None ever said that, retard

>>713230024
not so but close

>>713230415
>disliking arbiter's grounds
dogshit taste

>>713231094
It was cool seeing the way society adapted to the flooding of hyrule, and it was a neat idea in theory.

But instead of seeing peoples' different cultures, legends, way of life, etc you just get endless ocean towers and reefs, and other tiny islands that are for nothing but collectibles.

How is pirate zelda even a pirate? Does she rob the same two islands over and over again? Why is there mail? Where is there some guy asking you to establish trade when there's two islands of people?

I just don't get it. I know it's just a kids game, but it's the one who focused so much on creating this bizarre empty world

>>713228898
If you like OoT you’ll probably like it. If you have ADHD you won’t make it through the first hour.

I want to make a 2d top down zeldalike but with the exploration freedom of a metroid game. It'd be cool to have most of the game be able to be done in any order and have multiple paths through a dungeon depending on what items you have

I don't think anything has done this before, but it's probably really difficult to do

>>713232604
He was making a joke, anon.
But it's the same with Ocarina of Time; You have the castle town and Kakariko Village, and a few isolated societies here and there. You only see a handful of unique NPC's throughout, but obviously the foreground from where you reach the castle at shows a much bigger town than you're allowed to explore. Obviously there are a lot more people in Windfall and even Dragon Roost Island than you see in-game and even Mila hints at going to an island faraway to work and I spent days trying to see where she was at night after you complete her sidequest to no avail.

By the way TP's dungeons are okay but the story and atmosphere are unmatched by anything besides OoT/MM/ALttP

I miss the 'darker' or gloomier zelda games. There was a solemnness in those four games that you just dont see today

>>713232424
Arbiter's Grounds comes close to being good, but the puzzle design is dogshit like everything else in the game. It's just "use item here" and that's about it.

>>713229591
>TP's puzzles are just as braindead
It has one of the few actual puzzles across the entire franchise, not to mention some respectably clever level design like the ice block puzzle in Snowpeak Ruins that you have to solve twice, most of Temple of Time's rooms which are solved forwards AND backwards, or the central staircase in Lakebed Temple which is routed through multiple times. Nothing in WW even tries to be on the level of any of these examples.

>>713222183 (OP)
its one of the most boring fucking games ive played
and that fucking intro is so long and so fucking dogshit that it stops me from ever replaying that crap

>>713233085
>even Mila hints at going to an island faraway to work
That's an obvious cover, she's working at Windfall's secret brothel run by Minenco and Lenzo.

>>713222894
You’re retarded. What that anon clearly meant is that WW should’ve had more exploration variety at the start of the game with what little equipment you have, but it doesn’t, you need end game items to explore majority of the side islands.

>>713222817
Correct. The game feels like it started off pushing its concepts but then didn't have time to follow through so it fell back on convention and basically slapped together a weak, inorganic OoT clone that coincidentally was more linear in design than any Zelda before it. It'd be cool if WW actually had the time it needed to be good but it didn't, the Gamecube was a crisis era and Nintendo needed to shit software out the door.

>>713232424
>Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask in S tier
>Link to the Past there instead of A Link Between Worlds
>Twilight Princess below them all
not having it

>>713232956
my Zelda idea is three overworlds that interact like some kind of mega-overworld-dungeon

>>713233287
this puzzle is so hard

>>713222817
100% spot on

Wind Waker would be fixed if the game's main objective was find 20 triforce shards from the beginning, and the dungeons are optional but can aid in exploring with useful but not needed tools.

>>713233912
Right, and that's why it's annoying to see the game be overrated as it always tends to be. Always a cubekiddie, always some shtick of it not being their first Zelda, like I believe that bullshit.

>>713223625
>thematically fitting dungeons replaced with shallow micro dungeons
>ththe story is entirely optional instead of having a skip function after beating the game
>you can just go straight to Ganon but you're not so subtly pushed to care about Zelda play the game
>the tools that you're given expire rather quickly, no way to improve them or repair them which means that using them is basically a chore in the long run
>what most gush about it is that you can just go the Skyrim route, until realization hits, there's almost nothing to do besides the main story
>"oh wow isn't it amazing that Zelda has voice acting?!?"
>blessings reserved for mystical creatures to give to the hero are now given by literal whos
>the previous games still tried to give some gravitas to Ganondorf's actions and try to slowly hype the player even if you knew how the battle against Ganondorf would end, specially when using a joke item, BoTW have you fighting what would be a mid-to-endgame boss in other games a blob, even Mega Man X knew to not ruin Sigma
>broken items were locked behind lengthy requirements, now you can just cook what you find in the ground for some convenient near broken buff
>even Majora's Mask allows you to change the state of the world in a seemingly meaningful way instead of a single spot of the map
Is just a Zelda flavored sandbox game that somehow feels shallow, is like those parody youtube vids "summarizing" the events of the game... as a game that was actually sold, I won't say it would be a masterpiece because everything is a masterpiece now but the game would be way better and interesting if you played as an average NPC who couldn't pull the same shit that Link does.

>Unfinished
>Worst dungeons in the series
>So easy it makes Mario games look difficult
>Terrible pacing
>Game starts with a mandatory stealth mission
>Game ends with a mandatory fetch quest
>All style and no substance

>>713233912
good post

>>713222183 (OP)
sex with midna

>>713222454
swap 5 with 1 and I agree

>>713222183 (OP)
You became a marketer

Can I pirate this one?

>>713237823
Only if you can swing from these ropes and get this treasure chest I put at the end of the rope swinging section. But you'll NEVER be able to do that!

>>713236510
>Worst dungeons in the series
More people really need to bring this up, it's a massive detriment and the most condemning critique of the game. I can't even believe how unfinished the game is. Go back and look at how little identity the Earth Temple has, it's so fucking ugly.

>>713231758
Fucking kek, underrated post. It's true.

>>713237878
Wind Temple is almost serviceable as a iron boots/hookshot dungeon but then you remember Makar as a mechanic. Ironically, Earth Temple is a shit ass dungeon but Medli's a halfway fun partner.

>>713222183 (OP)
it wasn't panned on release. it was almost universally celebrated. the only people who shit on it are the same hater types that cringe about e33. emotionally broken psyvamp downers

>>713222817
But it wasn't an issue when LttP did the same thing?

>>713222183 (OP)
Lolwut. WW is mid as hell compared to OOT and TP

>>713222183 (OP)
>panned on release

>>713222183 (OP)
G4 died and people realized how manufactured 2000s edge was.

>>713222817
Every pre-botw zelda is like that. You were always railroaded at the start until you got yourself at least a handful of items that unlocked access to the entire map.

>>713239214
The thing is, most Zelda games have their "the world is now more open" moment happen anywhere from the 30% to around 60% of a general playthrough. Wind Waker is so bad with this that the world is only truly free to explore and plunder around the 85% mark, when all there's left to do is find the Triforce pieces before going down to Hyrule and wrapping shit up.

In a more favorable situation, Wind Waker should've had its world opening moment happen after the second trip to Forsaken Fortress, then you'd have the Triforce pieces, magic arrows, AND the two Sage Temples to tackle in whatever order you happen to get to at your own leisure and intuition. There isn't even any logical reason for why you HAVE to do the Earth Temple before Wind Temple, you just do because fuck you.

>>713222705
>correctly itendifies slop
i would protect this anon with my life

>>713222817
Goffy and incorrect take but this is a free speech zone so i will allow it.

>>713222823
BotW is pure, irredeemable trash.

>>713241000
It's redeemable, Nintendo just has to move on beyond the tech demo phase and build an actual fucking game with its mechanics and physics engine.

>>713233287
Yeah TP is the best in the series

>>713223482
They should've stuck to the toon style because as soon as they went back to "realistic" 3D we got thalidomide babies as recurring NPCs. We could have had toony Midna.

>>713222183 (OP)
Sailing the seas at night was some of the most nerve-racking experiences I've ever had in a game.

>>713241882
shame it doesn't actually look like this and the sky is muddled bullshit

>>713241652
Midna already Toon designed character, so it's no surprise she's the most important character in the whole game.

zoomers who played it when they were kids are now old enough to post here
same reason this board is infested with threads telling you GTA IV is a masterpiece that only zoomers hate (lol)

>>713241302
But the mechanics suck and are fucking retarded. Weapon durability is retarded. There being all those weapons in the first place is retarded. The dungeons are retarded. All of the gimmicks are retarded. It's just bad. It's soulless.

>>713222183 (OP)
Nothing.
Zelda was always a shit franchise and Wind Waker is the least shit.
Fucking Darksiders and pic rel are better Zelda games.

>>713222183 (OP)
This is literally the worst 3D Zelda game tied with TP

>>713243376
contrarian faggot kys

>>713243376
>Zelda was always a shit franchise
Ok, you do you I gu-
>and Wind Waker is the least shit.
Damn it, I took the bait.

>>713226512
Yes, but low IQ retards can't put 2 and 2 together and conclude that the games core fanbase didn't play it at 5 and below. It came out during the zoomer generation so it must be played by zoomers obviously.

>>713222472
I know Zelda likes to do this godawful 1 town per game scheme (though it actually only originated with MM, and in MM it was beyond understandable), but they should have made a second mid-game town which would serve as the later hub of the game. This would have made the world feel more sprawling.

>>713236017
>thematically fitting dungeons replaced with shallow micro dungeons
asinine, because shrines actually fit the aesthetic and narrative. what you actually wish for is arbitrary variety, you wish Nintendo concocted reasons for why there's a basic bitch fire dungeon, ice dungeon, water dungeon, ect. you wish for these basic bitch things despite them existing in each and every previous entry in the series already.
>entirely optional instead of having a skip
as opposed to NOT having a skip and it being MANDATORY in previous games?! what in the fuck is wrong with your brain, dipshit.
>you can just go straight to Ganon
and this is a problem because? you want to do a bunch of other remedial tasks first? seriously your brain is fucking retarded.
>no way to improve them or repair them which means that using them is basically a chore
you are giga retarded, previous games had this ""issue"" on fucking steroids. you are an arbitrary person, and your parents didn't beat you enough.
>there's almost nothing to do besides the main story
outside a huge fucking overworld with tons of things to discover and do, absolutely, nothing after that. dipshit.
>Zelda has voice acting
yeah, and one gripe to have is where is Link's voice acting. dipshit.
>literal whos
*characters with actual characterization and personality, instead of obligatory zora, goron, gerudo,

>>713244248
>1 town per game scheme (though it actually only originated with MM, and in MM it was beyond understandable)
That really depends what you mean by town, which I assume means shops.
Otherwise I'd argue MM has 5 towns.
Even by your definition it has 3- human, goron and zora.

>>713222659
Pretty decent list

>>713244248
>know Zelda likes to do this godawful 1 town per game scheme (though it actually only originated with MM, and in MM it was beyond understandable)
It started in Link to the Past.

It's so weird for me, I can't make a tier list or top 5 for Zelda games. I've played every one that's considered mainline as well as some spin offs, I just can't do it. Maybe I'm easy to please, maybe my taste is trash, but I loved playing them all

>>713244576
I'm glad you have love for something anon.

here's mine

>>713244937
You can tell who had friends by where they place FSA

>>713245135
do you say this about kirby air ride too, cubebabby

>>713245257
Hell yeah, that game was great to play with the guys.

are there any romhacks for wind waker? it feels like one of those games which could greatly benefit from just being switched around a little, but i never see people talking about modding it

>>713241882
>facetious fag needs to post fanart to avoid giving away how shit the actual game is
Every time.

>>713245350
oh, i'm sure it was

>>713245415
Yeah, thanks.

>>713245408
>facetious
ESL? How was anon being facetious?

Reminder that autistic people cannot understand philosophical concepts like artistic merit, therefore everything for them is just a series of graphs and numbers.

Here's mine. It's not ordered, except for Majora's Mask being my favorite.

>>713222183 (OP)
>what happened between then and now?
forced open world cancer in a bland world

>>713245515
of course. gameplay should be king, after all.

>>713222183 (OP)
It came out during the age every game was realistic, brown and boring.

so are there any wind waker-likes that are actually good yet? its been over 20 years

>>713245515
I'm autistic and you're wrong.

>>713222454
Link's Awakening being ranked higher than Link to the Past is blasphemy.

>>713244319
>asinine, because shrines actually fit the aesthetic and narrative. what you actually wish for is arbitrary variety
Nope, suddenly towers made by the Sheika appearing all over Hyrule makes absolutely less sense that anything which came before, now the world seems more sterile by injecting futuristic technology, which diminishes the identity of the other races (unlimited bombs?, Sheika OP! please nerf.)
>as opposed to NOT having a skip and it being MANDATORY in previous games?! (snip)
I thought it was courtesy to let ones who came up with the story have a chance to amaze the players, but I guess that is irrelevant, got it.
>you want to do a bunch of other remedial tasks first? seriously your brain is fucking retarded
It's called set-up and pay off, honestly anon, even children get bored when you give them all they want without putting some effort first
>you are giga retarded, previous games had this ""issue"" on fucking steroids. you are an arbitrary person, and (snip)
Oh anon, other games were carefully crafted to have you use a variety of weapons, although some do feel shoehorned in, I'll take that one for not being more specific.
>outside a huge fucking overworld with tons of things to discover and do, absolutely, nothing after that. dipshit.
Let's see... upgrading your gear... which is not that required, they already replace the food-related bonus while dealing with the divine beasts, there's killing mobs for fun... oh, right can't forget talking selfies.
>yeah, and one gripe to have is where is Link's voice acting. dipshit.
Yup, it takes away time from focusing on making the game better
>characters with actual characterization and personality, instead of obligatory (race)
Yup, the previous games didn't have a Gerudo attempting a coup d'etat, a Zora mother who was killed before she could save her child, etc.
Other Zelda's had what BoTW had, beside the voice acting and trying to reboot the franchise, but thank you for not really refuting my arguments.

>>713248220
>and trying to reboot the franchise
Nah, they were constantly doing that under Aonuma.