The game is too fucking long and builds are way too narrow. You just use single weapon type for +100 hours and that's ass

but its made by one person that means its good

but sseth made a video about it that means its good

>>713248689 (OP)
I kind of agree with this to be honest.
While I do enjoy Underrail and managed to finish DOMINATING difficulty, multiple replays do get extremely boring because you basically do the same shit every fight.
The game really should give you double the resources to use different weapons and get access to different skillsets, the only true versatile build that allow you to do multiple things are Psy builds and even then you still end up going through the same cooldowns/routine.

>>713250614
Even if the game gave you triple the skill points and money nothing would change because the combat is fundamentally primitive and you're going through the same motions regardless of what you're using.
At the end of the day UR is all about not letting enemies do anything to you, which means alphastriking and staying out of range, or stacking your defensive options so much you can basically ignore most enemies altogether, regardless of which weapon you choose to use the "strategy" is the same simple routine, alphastriking with a energy gun build isn't fundamentally different from alphastriking with knives or shotguns.
It doesn't help that at the same thing the game is so grossly unbalanced that there's omnipotent equalizers like grenades or bear traps that completely break combat at no investment.

>>713250614
>>713250892
Ain't that the truth. The biggest reason the game gets as much praise as it does is because there are no competitors in the gun-fu crpg space

>>713248689 (OP)
I've used 2 weapon types my whole playthrough and didn't have much issue (hard, not DOMINATING because that sounded like a bad idea for a first playthrough). It was a fun game.

>>713250167
I recently got into Underrail and it is clear Sseth was handed a pre-built build by Styg so he could do the DLC exclusively, his hours are way too short for a full game.

It's designed for retards by retards- it's exactly what it's supposed to be; worthless digital data (but still 10000x of times more than any player of that shit)

There's literally a feat called versatility for fags like you

>>713251237
Problem is the lack of feats

>>713251027
I mean, there sorta are, but whether they're better or not it depends on your taste.
I sorta like Mechajammer despite it being a buggy piece of shit, wouldn't recommend it to anyone though because it's not only Troika tier buggy but it's also very limited in scope and kind of a "vibe" sort of game more than anything, but if you're into shooty tooty cyberpunk stuff it's still an option.

>>713248689 (OP)
any game which requires over 8 hrs of playtime is too long.

Underrail is a game vastly overrated on the 4chan for various reasons: it was made by a single person (which is respectable), the number of builds it lures the player into thinking it has, the turn-based combat which can be fun but isn't.

Underrail is a game with tons of fetch quests which are explained as follows: go fetch this, go fix this, go do that, as if the player was a post office worker. The problem is there is no other path to complete the quests and no meaningful consequences for completing them. You are forced to complete the quest in one way, the developer obviously intends unlike Vampire's, Fallout's, Planescape...
There is no interaction between NPCs, whereas Arcanum, released 14 years before, does have.
There are only 2 different maps: Bunkers and caves.
The game tricks the player into thinking there is a lot of building variety until you discover that many skills and feats are useless.

For example, what's the benefit of Persuasion? None.

What's the benefit of Intimidation? None.

What's the benefit of Mercantile? None. ( you get rich pretty fast)
More is not always better.

And most of the builds end up poorly, so like most players you dig for recommendations on the forums.

Underrail is overloaded with junk, much like Witcher 3, you gather tons of crap with little reason why.

Underrail offers crafting but imagine picking Arcanum's crafting system and draining all the imagination it has, you get underrail's crafting.

Walls in underrail make it difficult for the player to aim a target, an issue Fallout 1-2 doesn't have.

What a shame, I wanted to love it but it's not for me. The fun in this game stems from min-max autism turned to an absurd degree, but if you are like me, you won't appreciate Underrail.

>>713252052
Where can I subscribe to your game reviews?

>>713252052
>What's the benefit of Intimidation? None.
There are some feats which run off it so it has combat use as well as social.
>What's the benefit of Mercantile? None. ( you get rich pretty fast)
There are some shops that sell you extra things after a mercantile check.

>>713251364
Yeah, you're stuck choosing between a handful of actually-good feats for your build while the rest are useless fluff or oddly situational trash. You either take the four feats required to not be a walking corpse by Depot A or you become a meme build that gets annihilated by a single psi bug. Game tries to sell itself on "freedom" but locks a viable experience behind spreadsheets and mental gymnastics.

>>713252271
You get a lot of extra feats to play with. You only need to be like level 20 to clear everything if your build isn't complete shit. If you're going to level 25 or 30 then that's another 5/10 levels to spend on whatever you feel like sounds fun.
I think some people have tried really hard and gotten clears below level 10. I assume they're really good at making characters and most people couldn't do that but you should be able to make a decent character by level 20 at least. 10 more levels for things you think are cool.

>>713252271
>you're stuck choosing between a handful of actually-good feats for your build while the rest are useless fluff or oddly situational trash
If you can't handle picking fun situation feats, your build is trash.

>>713252052
It's pretty interesting because it is obvious Underrail's popularity stems from 4chan and RPGCodex. The game is close to dead on forums like Reddit.

>>713248689 (OP)
I made an amazing S tier build that uses knife and SMG. I'm very happy with it because I also hate being herded into using only 1 weapon type. I agree that the game is way too long though, I always get bored and move to a new game before completing it in one go and have to come back in a few months to finish

>>713252914
That's based though, the longer the better

>>713253527
Longer is not necessarily better, and Underrail is a big example of that, there's a reason why hardly anyone manages to finish a run nowadays, and that's not specifically DC being fucking atrocious to slog through, the game is neither varied nor interesting enough to justify doing all that shit.

>>713253527
There's such a thing as a game being too long, and if someone asked me for an example underrail would actually be my first example.

It takes how many hours to hit Depot A again?

>>713254013
I hope you're playing on max speed.

>>713254013
It's like the 3rd or 4th mission you receive, it shouldn't take much time at all.

>>713254208
I just noticed the speed button after 180 hours.....

>>713254386
lol

>>713248689 (OP)
The mobs are time-wasters. In Fallout 1 and 2 and tactics, you had enemies that had skills - but were killable with strategy or overpowering them.

Underrail? Oh, you entered a room? Now a cloaked mob stung you with a poison that stuns for 2 turns, that goes off in 2 turns. On your second turn stunned (and being attacked the whole time), it re-poisons you again, so you get 1 turn between stuns, This mob also regenerates health so that damage you frontloaded? It's gone. Fucking gone.
Also don't antidote the poison off, you get dazed and that lowers your attacking abilities, suck it up buttercup.

Hope you didn't have a quest behind the room of infinite stun mob. Oh, and you can encounter 3-4 of these mobs sometimes. The community solution? LOL LAY TRAPS IN A CORNER YOU NOOB LERN 2 PLAY

... which you cannot do when attacked as soon as you walk into a room. Enjoy all the mobs attacking more than you, having more hit points, and padding themselves to make your runtime longer and your save-scumming constant. It's an exercise in futility, not a game.

>>713256464
Conlet

>>713256464
More or less.
Underrail is really all about not interacting with enemies as much as possible because a single successful enemy turn usually entails reloading unless you're a tin can, it's very amateurish but some "people" have gaslighted themselves into believing the game is very deep for being a poorly designed alphastrike simulator.
It's not the worst part though, that would be the countless puzzles Styg put into the game which have nothing to do with roleplaying and exist purely to annoy you and make the game even more tedious than it already is.

>>713256464
Shouldn't have made a trash build

>>713256464
You could
>throw flares, buff and initiate combat before you open the door if you have the Con and Str to stand your ground
>set traps around the corner, go to the door and initiate combat, open the door and run behind the traps
>throw flares, wear metal shoes and caltrop everything before opening the door after which you back off
>try getting lucky with magnesium or napalm nades
>take the instant trap setting perk and try to set up a bottleneck

>>713248689 (OP)
I kind of get the complaint because some builds are a lot less interesting than others, but the game would be really easy and lack replay value if you could max out everything in a single playthrough. There are interesting builds, including mixed builds and there's multiple ways to build different weapon types. A throwing spear build has almost nothing in common with a spear and shield build, there's a good variety of options to pick from, but yes you do have to commit to that option.

>>713250614
What it could really use is a new game + style difficulty where you restart the game with a maxed out character and can level to 60 or something to build into a new playstyle while changing up existing encounters with harder enemies. It would be way better than the boring restrictions dominating imposes.

>>713257883
The biggest problem is the length, the game is too long for a single build

>>713252052
>the story, writing, and roleplaying aspects are all subpar
correct, the appeal is the combat.
>min max autism
you really don't need a good build to finish the game, as long as you can commit to a single weapon type and put some points into either health or evasion, you can do whatever else and be fine.
I'll give you persuasion but intimidation and mercantile are both pretty useful. If you have Yell, intimidation makes any fight against humans much easier by cutting their stats in half. Mercantile matters less for making more money and more for getting access to higher level vendor equipment. You can't get the best crafting parts or unique items without high level mercantile.

>>713253661
DC is extremely skippable, I always finish the tchortist questline and just leave to go do the dlc. The game definetly starts to drag if you play normally but using cheat engine to improve movement speed helps out a ton to traverse the map. Even with the few fast travel points there are, you still need to walk or boat to a lot of places and speed hacking cuts that time down to seconds instead of minutes.

>>713256464
unironically should have had antidotes. they cost very little, and you have multiple turns to use them before the stun kicks in. you don't even need traps, just whip some flares around to reveal them and sometimes scare them into running away. I was able to figure this out, you should be able to do it too

>>713248689 (OP)
need a newb build for this and is there a point to the dlc? heavy duty just looks like more weapons

>>713248689 (OP)
Westoids don't really know how to design video games. They are just going through the motions.
Old games had builds and useless shit so this game has builds and useless shit but its also bloated to be 50+ hours plus any additional tedious garbage they add in the name of a "hardcore" experience.

>>713258758
expedition has a really cool big area with lots to do and jetskis which open up a lot more exploration. Heavy duty is mostly for the weapons as theres only one large dungeon you go to and that's mostly it. That said, the heavy guns feel awesome and you could do a lot worse for a newb build than an armored heavy gun build.

>>713258362
For me the appeal is the setting! Combat is fun though.

>>713248689 (OP)
not true, i used both snipers and shotguns

>>713259028
the background to the setting is very cool, but there's little to no interaction the main character has with the mega corps or whatever is going on in space so it mostly serves as flavor text. I hope they lean more into the macro level stuff of the setting in underrail 2, it's a lot more interesting than the low level gang wars

>>713258758
Pure psi is great for a newbie
You get access to lore, interesting situations, lots of neat little gimmicks and tools to play around while other weapons are limited to their rotation.
The real great for newbie build is doing whatever you want and then investing some points in traps, throwing and sneak. You'll be save scumming a lot but these three skills will make your save scumming actually worth something. Get Throwing and Sneak to around 50 and get the feat to reduce throwing cooldown. For traps you want to invest into it until you can safely disarm and use the good ones.
Don't waste your time on Dominating and download cheat engine to speed up the game.
Heavy Duty is a scam of a DLC while Expeditions is essential.

>>713259319
Hopefully though as it takes place in Northern Underrail and Dis I am slightly concerned as it seems way more civilized. All the characters we've met so far from there too well-spoken! Derailed zoners who can't work proper pipe. Not dominating at all.

>>713256464
>complaining about one of the actually good enemy types in this game
This board just loves to whine.

>>713252052
Mercantile is the single most powerful skill on dominating, literally every build runs it

>>713263807
Dominating is a shit difficulty setting, of course you need mercantile when your selling things at 1/4 value and have to buy them at 4x value. You wouldn't be able to buy jack shit otherwise

>>713263994
No one ups mercantile for selling shit. You get more than enough money in every difficulty.

I'm doing a gun run, is maxxing perception worth it or should I leave some for int? 5 int and maxed perception or 7 int and -2 on max perception?

I wonder which bands Styg were inspired by....

>>713263994
mercantile doesn't alter how much things sell for. mercantile is used for dialogue skill checks to earn better rewards, access merchant special inventories, and to improve the items that merchants sell

>>713248689 (OP)
How good are pistols and knives in this game?

>>713250614
I'm playing two characters simultaneously right now: psi-monk and a grenade/trapper build. Just because it's fun to see how different things play out. So you're like, 1000% wrong.

>>713268283
both are really really quite good. IMO only spears and shotguns will feel like a drag

>>713248689 (OP)
The fact that hybrid builds are ass and you're rewarded heavily for only using 1 weapon is a issue that makes the game lamer. You can remedy it by just playing at a lower difficulty and playing any build. It's mostly a issue with how many perks there are for every wrapon and lack of perk points to spec into another. I think Wasteland 2/3 do this better.

>>713252052
>For example, what's the benefit of Persuasion? None.
>What's the benefit of Intimidation? None.

>tfw I invested points in Persuasion and Intimidation for the lore on Hard difficult before the DLC
I've beaten the game blindly with a Psi and Thermo build with no issues, I had a bonus on Persuasion and Intimidation since I invested on Will and Intelligence. It is fun tho'.

>>713252052
>The problem is there is no other path to complete the quests
>various ways to fuck up oculus quests
>foundry murder case ranging from talking a woman or finding secret bunker
>foundry husband/wife asking you to kill one another, or you turn both of them to deputy
Retard
>one of the most important social skills which gives you early access to goodies
>what's the point of mercantile
You never played the game. Fuck off

There's literally a feat called Versatility and some of the best S tier dominating builds use it. There's a belt that supports it before you even get to having to do Depot A. Not only that but there's only 4 weapon skills, and even if you fail to meet a Strength requirement of a weapon by a little bit it only comes at a small precision penalty. So if you invest in "guns" and nothing else all you have to do is switch hands to jump from using an SMG to a Sniper Rifle.

Intimidation and Persuasion aren't game-solving skills and I understand that complaint, but there are outcomes you simply can't achieve without higher Persuasion so it's valuable for RP purposes. Intimidation is similar, but it also has the Yell feat which is REALLY strong.

>>713256809
>countless puzzles
???
I can think of only 3.
-Battery plant "puzzle": meaningless 500 xp quest that isn't fun or hard but only happens one time.
-mutagen puzzle: not required but a huge impact if you can figure it out. It's fun when it actually clicks. It's a good puzzle.
-DLC music puzzle: I think if you don't have a background in cyphers and message coding this is just off limits. It's more like an easter egg for the weirdest people. That said, the loot is virtually meaningless as the puzzle is entirely optional
-I guess Phreak's phreaking-inspired quest is an audio puzzle. This is a great puzzle, hands down. I enjoy doing this one every playthrough.

>>713248689 (OP)
>The game is too long
If you try to do the DLC in the same plathrough i agree. Its way too long.

>>713256464
>time wasters

>>713248689 (OP)
what exp mode should I play?

>>713269921
KEK

>>713270018
classic

oddity xp is fine for a one time playthrough on a non-dominating difficulty for the uniqueness of it, but oddity xp is basically just classic xp but way more restrictive on where you can go next

The Expedition threads on release were literally the best /v/ threads EVER and I am genuinely being serious here. Anyone else remembers them?
t. oldfag

>>713270018
Hard Oddity first playthrough.
DOMINATING Classic other playthroughs.

Where does everyone go to the bathroom in underrail? Think of all the poop and pee that builds up. Styg really didn't think his world through...

>>713258007
You can start the game with an imported endgame character from another save file. It's fun being able to mow down all the early game enemies.

>>713270156
>>713270341
how hard is it compared to fallout 1 or other similar games?

>8 str 9 con 18 will
>run out of psi points and bonk zoners with by hammer
it took a long time to get online but it's finally a half-decent build unless I have to fight 10 strongmen jesus christ

>>713269921
saved, based

>>713270725
Way harder unless you use everything at your disposal to win fights.

>>713270018
Oddity always.

>>713269575
>dlc puzzle
It gives you like 5 oddity xp tho

>>713270018
Classic.

>>713270725
It isn't similar to Fallout at all, I don't get why the comparisons. Is it because it's turn based with sprites?
I'd say just about the same in difficulty, maybe a bit more difficult. Normal is a good difficulty to start with as it will challenge you as long as you know nothing about the game.

>>713248689 (OP)
Just use a machete and mind magic to take over.

>>713269575
>DLC music puzzle
>the loot is virtually meaningless
How is the rock breaking gun meaningless? It saves you a load of weight and time compared to the alternatives (T.N.T. and jackhammer).

>>713271393
People usually compare it because it is isometric, has sprites, and has extensive point buy mechanics with perks/feats.

protectorateGODS won

>Underrail thread
We're back. Shame second DLC didn't get any attention here

>>713270725
I think easy difficulty could feel similar to a newbie's playthrough in Fallout 1. Underrail is MUCH harder anywhere past that- and it's better for it. It forces you to be engaged

>>713272225
Why?

>>713269921

>>713271623
>grab a jackhammer immediately after Depot A
>carry it for the rest of the game

like you have to be joking, sonocaster being used to break rocks is a meme

>>713248689 (OP)
I played a bit with a melee build. I cleared junkyard and dropped the game, I think melee build was boring as fuck but guns don't look fun either. I might give it another try.

oh yeah, it's firebombing time

>>713273585
up the difficulty.

>>713257741
>All solutions require meta knowledge of what's behind the door
That's how I like my games, save the game before every room, scout it out, then reload to remove all semblance of challenge from the encounter. That's some good design right there.

>>713272853
It's only 1 mission/zone right?

>>713273471
lmao

>>713273585
I picked up and bounced off Underrail like 3-4 times. Every year I'd start fresh, play it for about an afternoon, get bored and drop it.

No idea what happened. It eventually "clicked" and now I have like 500 hours played and approaching a dozen Dominating playthroughs.

>>713272853
>>713274012
yeah if Heavy Duty DLC was on par with The Expedition DLC I would have been thrilled.

>>713274130
what build would you recommend beside melee ?

>>713274000
only the second one does
crawlers almost never kill you on the first turn you have until you get stunned to figure something out
you can also just run like hell while they chill in a corner for a reset

On a 1-10 difficulty scale with Underrail being a 10, Fallout 1 is like a 3 and Fallout 2 is around a 4.

>>713274582
Meant to quote
>>713270725

>>713274450
I've had fun with all of the builds. I kinda recommend them all. My favorite are actually melee builds probably, really close to Psi builds. I like how easy they are on ammo management- psi builds only need a stack of virtually weightless psi inhalers and melee need basically nothing. Nothing wrong with having to hoard ammo but I'm a lazy bastard

oh-!
Go for energy weapons and/or war crimes (chem pistols) build. There's three different kind of Energy pistols (high fire rate Laser Pistol, high resistance bypassing and huge damage but slow Plasma pistol, and utility/AoE Electroschock pistol, which you'll only even see if you craft one). Since they just charge from batteries they're really efficient.
Then when you need something special you can dabble in some war crimes

Has anyone ever actually used Riot Gear or a block build? Does it just suck?

>>713277414
riot gear is ok to swap into if you know you are going to be fighting a lot of melee guys
blocking isn't something you should invest in because you will still get fucked in melee by heavy hitters and niggers spamming crippling strike on you

The early game has been ruined for me now that I know how to cheese for an insane quality shield emitter, tactical vest (like a 24 damage threshold), sniper rifle and SMG.

>>713279634
give me your knowledge

>>713279753
do you really want to know? It's absurd and makes things trivial

>>713279634
>killing morde with gas grenade
Yawn

>>713279814
Yeah I've played through the game enough times, but I've mostly focused on melee and gone my own way.

>>713270556
In core city they just shit across the rails on the lower levels. Im expedition the lake is big and can take a lot

>>713279931
>>713280116
ngl it's kinda dumb that Styg missed this

>>713280116
Nta but i bet it involves cheese ACKing the fisher from the caves on the way to junkyard. The one that smokes. He is some undercover assin in hiding and remember him dropping some sweet loot for the area

>>713280478
Yeah but you can get a shield emitter at Junkyard too but you can kill Abram without cheesing.

>>713281060
that locks you out of a ton of quests and good items.

>>713281336
Balanced trade off.

>>713281630
but you can just cheese angsty edgy fisherman asshole for no consequences instead

Fuck the Protectorate and fuck Free Drones, all you northern scum get the fuck out of South Underrail.

>>713281672
But I could just use cheat engine and be invincible? Where do you draw the line?

>>713281839
name a single other element of the game as cheesy as this

>>713281060
>killing Abram
????

>>713281837
Dominatin' post

>>713281837
>need to put points into persuasion to get them to aid the Black Eels in Junkyard.
Nah.

Which LMG frame is the best, I'm guessing ratchet?

>>713250892
This is why I'm looking forward to the sequel. The roguelike style turn format means combat will have some actual back-and-forth going on instead of being all about alpha striking and abusing stuff like crowd control to make encounters one-sided with enemies having no opportunity to fight back (also means that getting CC'd yourself won't be a guaranteed game over). Not to mention all the other minutiae that's being added or changed.

>>713277414
Block is a decent additional buffer especially early on if you start out with spears or something, but worse than full armor tin can crafting autism or breaking line of sight with high MP, traps, wall spell, or using stealth advantage to just instagib and stun everything. Biggest issue with block is that it only works against melee damage, and if you're a melee build, you usually also have enough MP to avoid getting hit and make enemies waste their turns chasing you. Additionally blocking is gear gated to riot armor crafting, and aside from psi beetle carapace there aren't any good shield materials to make the whole ordeal worth it. You still end up with high armor penalty with most options, and for those type of builds metal armor autism is better.

>>713270018
The game is balanced around Oddity mode, and it's the default one the game suggests. Classic makes it possible to overlevel and is overall easier.

best trick I ever learned is to just drop 2 fishing poles at each boat fast travel and leave them there. removes 95% of fish hunting

>>713265310
If you're doing pistols or SMGs then you want either
- max DEX and PER
- max DEX with Versatility feat and Commando Belt (increases Versatility feat effectiveness); level up DEX at every possible opportunity and and max out Melee, leave PER low aside from specific feats, leave Guns also low aside from feats
The reason pistol and SMG builds want DEX is that both are considered "light" weapons and get their AP cost reduced by high DEX, meaning more attacks per turn. Both normally scale based on PER, however if you're maxing out DEX you can instead pick Versatility feat and max out Melee, since that scales based off on DEX, and with Versatility its effective score affects other weapon skills.

If instead you're using heavier weapons (assault rifles, snipers, LMGs, miniguns) you just want to max out PER, and get enough STR to qualify for feats you might want and the minimum STR limit for weapon carry requirement.

>play game
>think it's amazing
>go to 4chan
>apparently it's bad because... it just is, okay?
the absolute state of this place

>>713284031
It's the natural talking cycle of a great game 4chan likes. First it's universally praised. Then it debated just how good it really is and where it ranks. Then the arguments about how overrated the game start to take over.

>>713284031
>the absolute state of this place
this place has been jeetified and trannyfied

>>713284031
Underrail discussion was great before Sseth's video. It was all downhill from there to the point that you can't even have an Underrail thread without someone trying to claim it's overrated or writing a critique blog.

>Underrail discussion was great before Sseth's video.
Underrail discussion was great after Sseth's video too. Archives are proofs. Stop crying about ecelebs.

>>713257741
you are attacked THE SECOND YOU WALK IN THE ROOM. No door, you are entering a new room.

Flares are not needed when one mob stunlocks you all day THE SECOND YOU WALK IN. You lose the initiative roll, get hypoallergenic stung, and guess what? It doesn't even have to recloak as it chews you alive with your few attacks back every 3 turns, with the other two being stuns. Death Stalkers also have twice the dodge of the other little cloaking fuckers. They have Blindsiding and Opportunist, so they also do extra damage a lot of the time.

The only way I beat it was saveescumming throwing molotovws, and while it was running away on fire, attacking it witrh everything and praying for crits. Which, if the molotov didn't set it on fire? reload. You didn't crit over half your attacks? reload. You missed a single attack? Reload. Reload. Reload. Uninstall.
>>713258629
what part of Hypoallergenic making the antidotes daze you and the mob now does extra damage from opportunist do you not fucking understand. There is no good path of cleansing the poison. Only avoiding it.

>>713269921
9 con, 9 str sledge build in metal armor doesn't do anything but get stung and stunned, even with block spear builds. Turns into a "Frontload your damage or die to bullshit" situation even with extra levels under your belt

Everything about the game is great except the combat bullshit. There's a difference between an enemy getting a luck crit and being attacked by enemies with 3-5 attacks each in groups of 5-7 - makes the game feel like you should have more party members instead of you taking every fucking hit and reloading again and again

>>713248689 (OP)
Life in general, and video games specifically, are not meant to be enjoyed.

>>713285112
>Everything about the game is great except the combat bullshit.
crybaby throwing a tantrum because he got wrekt

git gud

>>713284031
If you think underrail is good, go play Arcanum and find out what good is

>>713248689 (OP)
>yt vid of some autist speedrunning UR in 2hr in dominating
>/v/ threads
Sigh, guess it's time for another walkthrough

>>713286015
Arcanum's combat is ACTUALLY shit

>>713285995
pray tell, what is good
what super build do you go toe to toe with Death Stalkers
Please oh big vidya lord, tell us unwashed peasants how to play so we may know what you know

>>713286150
>what super build do you go toe to toe with Death Stalkers
Shotgun build with stasis

>>713286150
Arsonist

>>713286217
now try again without your psi crutch, like >>713286321 who has the CORRECT answer

>>713286150
I just pop a bullhead, irongut, morphine, yell then rush in with my sledgehammer

>>713286067
newfag

>>713286084
Play BG1/2+ ToB with SCS, Tweaks anthology QoL mods and EEex + bubbs spell UI for ultimate CRPG experience.

>>713286150

>>713286428
>psi
>crutch
Gotcha, retard.

>>713286015
>If you think underrail is good, go play Arcanum and find out what good is
Arcanum has great everything EXCEPT the combat and encounter design. One ye olde game that actually deserves a proper remake.

>>713286434
oh fuck i forgot I have like 4 explosive caps for my sledge too

>>713286483
strange how there's all these non psi needing solutions coming out, maybe your brains got scrambled from smoking all those mushrooms

>>713250614
this is why i use CE to give myself more skillpoints in almost every game

>>713286450
I've never made it to the end in BG2. I don't know what anything you just said means but I know that the way you said it probably means that's a dope cRPG experience so I'm probably gonna do it after finishing these next couple dominating UR runs

>>713286596
>fart
I accept your concession, subhuman.

>>713286150
>nooooo waaaaaaah deathstalkers are IMPOSSIBLE I can't do ti you can't prove me wrong!!
lol
lmao
I'm starting to realize Styg was actually a genius for making all these coddled RPGbabs suffer

>>713286150
>super build
quick tinkering and/or 10 con. that's it.

>>713286789
Happy to hear, pipeworker

There was no reason for the psi nerf, especially when all the other OP shit like grenades and traps were left alone.

>>713287351
You keep your fucking hands off my collection of landmines and bear traps

>>713287351
There was no reason for most nerfs other than the autistic creator not understanding what balance means. Balor's sure didn't deserve it.

am I the only one who uses throwing nets on annoying shit like those ceiling bugs

>>713287552
I never played pre-nerf.
Considering that Psi is still the strongest of builds and Balor's is tied with the best Sledgehammers for sledgehammer builds, I'm not sure what people are complaining about.

>>713288542
It was crazy shit for a while, I had a arsonist firewalker who just deleted rooms of people

>>713287593
no. I do it too. throwing nets are OP

>>713288629
Throwing net + Disruptive field = ranged tears

>>713288542
Well for one you didn't have 'reserves' for psi so you never had to worry about running out of psi points in long fights, you just needed boosters. Also there was no limited slots for abilities either so you could use everything at your disposal, also force field used to be indestructible which made it a lifesaver.

>>713277414
Riot gear is really nice if you use the plate that gives you more % resistance because against melee attacks the % is doubled. I think a high end plate can net like 60% melee damage resistance from just the chest alone, even a 3 con build can feel tanky with the right setup.
The shield however is total dogshit, it's meme territory on par with like crowbar builds or something.

>>713288542
the psi nerf didn't affect the good psi builds at all, just made the bad psi builds worse

My 10 con throwing build is having trouble with the burrower warriors in the hathor mines. What do I do other than preempt traps and throw some gas grenades and pray I can get contaminate stacks? They just resist so much damage and are immune to poisons. I'm using knives, caltrops, nets, and frag grenades.

>>713284031
It is the great CRPG filter, most of the people who dislike it are too afraid to admit they don't understand it so they go online and cry about it without actually making any valid truthful criticisms.

So is Firearm pistols + TM the best build?

>>713286150
I just wore a fireproof coat and molotoved myself when they got close to me and then shot them. The molotov gives off a ton of light so you can actually hit them and not get the pitch dark accuracy debuff.

>>713291183
no tincan smg is the best build
stealth knife is the most fun

>>713291329
>no tincan smg is the best build
SMGs use too much ammo, fuck them
>stealth knife is the most fun
It is until you get to fight shit like water locusts

>>713291183
>best build?
For general use and without the game becoming a slog, probably player-crafted energy pistols + TM in terms of single target nuke damage, with crafted grenades for AoE and crowd control, and crafted energy shield for tanking. The actual best build for cheesing everything is probably stealth and traps.

>>713285112
you sound tilted as fuck, take a break

>>713291183
DEX SMG build with throw, trap, and psi support for sure

>>713270018
Oddity is how the game is meant to be played, classic is in there because autists threw a fit. Don't be an autist.

>>713270253
Expedition 33 threads were pretty great, yeah.

>>713284031
Contrarians are both real and retarded. It can't be helped.

>>713294292
Maybe if you enjoy dumpster diving and having to explore every inch of each map in the game.

>>713296879
>Maybe if you enjoy dumpster diving and having to explore every inch of each map in the game.
Literally me.

>>713252052
I disagree with all but one of your points and I do not believe you finished a run, let alone played for dozens of hours.
Opinion dismissed.

>>713297048
Literally Le retarded jeet forced meme.

>>713291183
Wyatt's .44 magnum + Survival Instincts