Pros and cons

Gameplay is better in 2.
Levels are better in 1.

Best gameplay.
Best exploration.
Best weapons.
Good story.

Cons:
Can't sleep with a little sister

pros: not written by (((((((Ken Levine)))))))) and made entirely by a different team
cons: none

>>713251385 (OP)
>Pros
It's bioshock
>cons
there's no more bioshock

>>713251385 (OP)
story was pretty good and neutral ending was pretty good

>>713251385 (OP)
i might be autistic, but i literally can't play games where MC isn't human

>>713251385 (OP)
doesn't have the shitty gameplay of 1 or the shitty writing of infinite, therefore it is the best game in the series

>killing Gil counts towards the bad ending
Fucking why, dude was in hell

>>713251385 (OP)
THe biggest con is that they do that really lazy hard mode thing of turning everything into sponges and you into paper. Especially egregious here since you're supposed to be a big daddy and sound like a walking tank

>>713252334
Could you elaborate?

>>713253272
i can't get immersed in video games where you play anything other as a human male, it just feels off, even in 1st person. it feels weird to play as a big creature with drill for a hand, or a female for that matter

i played 2 before 1 cause I was late to the party and I'll tell you despite 1 having a superior story it was hard to go backwards cause I loved finding the little sisters and seeking out the corpses to harvest and the big daddy in general played heavier along with the dual plasmid/gun dynamic. Thankfully 1 had vastly superior story. Shame infinite was weak cause it started really strongly, Booker was great, Eleanor was obviously dreamy, and I loved Colombia but it just completely lacked that open exploration feeling and I just wanted to explore Colombia like people were still living there but only like 2 levels feel like that

>>713253449
you cant even see your own body retard

>>713253582
>despite 1 having a superior story
1 doesn't have a story aside from "the twist". It is a series of fetch quests and then would you kindly then you fight him as a statue.

>>713251385 (OP)
Part 1 had a much better plot twist, it really brought the whole room together.

>>713253449
Are you're tarded?

>>713253695
Doesn't matter

>>713251385 (OP)
>Lets hate an absolutely great sequel because its was too much like the first game.
Since when direct sequels have been looked at down upon?

>>713251385 (OP)
>cons
- no VR support
- it is a 20 yr old game

>>713253897
maybe

>>713253449
But you're functionally a human male in a diver's suit. How exactly does it feel off? If anything, playing as subject Delta is a masculine power fantasy, since you're a 7ft monstrosity that can make splicers ragdoll with your drill. Does it put you off a game or can you tolerate it?

>>713253695
There's mirrors in the game

>>713251385 (OP)
Pros
>Plasmids is on the other hand now (subjective taste)
>Hacking is faster

Cons
>Worse story (retreads the first game 1:1)
>Worse atmosphere & scares
>Worse characters (we went from kino like Cohen to the stereotypical 'aw lawdy lawd' independent strong black woman)
>Worse voice acting
>Worse main villain (white woman psychiatrist, you've got to be joking)
>Worst twist
>Worse level design
>Worse final boss
>Worse research camera
>Slow and redundant underwater sections
>Gimmicky enemies like Big Sisters which are just nothingburger easier Big Daddies
>Worse ending (you get absorbed into british woman no matter what)

>pros
is 5/10
>cons
is 5/10

>>713254023
it's still unnatural and puts me off from playing it. can't help it

>>713254174
where?
i dont rem this

>>713255879
You can see your reflection twice at the very beginning of the game. Once in the intro cutscene (picrel) and again with an in-engine water reflection after the cutscene ends.

>>713253976
This. Bioshock would be fucking amazing in VR

>>713251385 (OP)
pros
guns and plasmids feel more satisfying
levels are more interesting
underwater sections
cons
crashes more then chinese traffic
you die at the end no matter what
multiplayer is dead

>>713252140
>Game isn't made by a jew
>Suddenly starts critiquing socialism instead of capitalism
Hmmmm

>>713258053
anon the "le capitalism critique" is just like surface level shit and everyone obviously got that as the main them
he was pretty clear about his intentions with the story

>>713251385 (OP)
>Pros
You can finally dual wield weapons and plasmids
Fun multiplayer, at least when it was still alive
>Cons
Shittier story and main antagonist (still better than Infinite's)
Game is shorter

>>713253272
>>713253449
It's probably actual literal autism

>Pros
It's kino
>Cons
It's a bioshock game

>>713251385 (OP)
NO EXTREME DIFFICULTY MODE.
Game's walk in the park. Bioshock 1 becomes a walk in the park too midway but there's still a moderate challenge using a gamepad on the hardest difficulty mode. Bioshock 2? You're invincible nothing can stall your progress. Gay.

>>713251385 (OP)
>You can use both hands, don't know why that wasn't a thing in 1
>A few moral choices besides the little sisters
That's it, 1 is better in every other aspect.

>>713253449
You are "just" a juiced up guy in a diving suit, newer models of big daddies aren't as lucky because they are essentially fused with their suits. Minerva's Den shows that you can revert all the physical and mental changes of the Alpha series, aka the dudes you play as in Bioshock 2.

>Pros
Minerva's Den
>Cons
The rest of the game

>>713252334
>Might be

>>713252394
You are allowed to do one murder (this one or other) if are good for Little Sisters

>>713260212
Yeah but everybody kills stanley.

>>713260383
I feel like this is a bug. Stanley Poole clearly should not count as people

>>713251563
>Best exploration.
What are the iconic areas of 2? Can't remember one for the life of me

>>713252394
Killing bad, even if the guy begs you to euthanize him.
>bad ending
You only need to spare one character and save all little sisters to get the good ending.

>>713251385 (OP)
/v/ how would you fix the story of BS2?

>>713260383
>>713260471
I didn't kill Stanley.
I did, however, lay multiple explosive mines and trap wires around him.
For all practical purposes, there's no way he would've be able to leave alive. Didn't actually kill him myself though, so it didn't count.

>>713253801
The story is discovering how Rapture works and how it fell.
The setting is inherently less interesting in 2 because it doesn't have the same freshness or mystery.

>>713251385 (OP)
>Pros
Bioshock Infinite is better
>Cons
Bioshock Infinite is better

It refined the gameplay and the multiplayer was a hidden gem. the atmosphere and overall feel is downgraded from 1 though, there’s characters that feel generic and like they came from a chatgpt prompt. Unlike 1 where a lot of the cast feels important and interesting. I lost interest in most of the side characters in 2 like 3 hours into the game, and that’s grim when a lot of the narrative and story is pushed through the audio tapes.

>>713260383
It's not really count toward bad ending but whatever Eleanor kills Sofia in end. If you really not interested in showing mercy to people like Stanley you should be fine with your daughter being same

>>713261995
I always save grace gotta get that loot.

>>713260518
there were no iconic ares in 1 either.

>>713252394
>>713260626
The one called Gill Alexander died inside that mutated monster a long time ago. The animal you see is begging to continue its existence in the bottom of the ocean where it will hurt nothing once stripped of its control. No different from Stanley that begs for his life.
The sculpture that depicts Delta pulling out the soul of Gill from the carcass of Alexander the great was a mistake.

Never understood why people thought that it has weak atmosphere compared to the first game. Rapture looks even more grim and deteriorated.

>>713251385 (OP)
Forgottable story in 2, but imprived combat. Thats it.

>>713263094
Same setting on repeat. It got stale

>>713260681
Just expand on it a little bit, give the characters some more time to impress themselves on the player.

>>713263238
So if you played Bioshock 2 first that would make the first game worse?

>>713254581
good post. Bioshock 2 is a disaster, literally standing on the shoulder of the original as the ONE good thing it has going for it. It's absurd it gets any praise at all really, it is one of the blandest sequels ever made.

Another thing is that combat in Bioshock is not good and they did nothing to improve on it really except for allowing plasmids to be used with your other hand. So the further into the game you get the worse the playing experience is, because it just isn't fun to shoot a ton of enemies, the engine, the game feel just wasn't made for it. Bioshock 1 is the same, as soon as combat gets overwhelming it becomes a drag to play, it is much better played as like a slow game where you take on maybe 3 enemies at a time at most.

All this said, I do believe Minerva's Den is a worthy entry that more or less rivals Bioshock 1, it utterly mogs 2 into oblivion.

>>713263421
It wouldn't have the same wow factor that's for sure.

>>713263094
in Bioshock 1 rapture is designed like a mall, the interiors feel like they make sense as a "city underwater"
In Bioshock 2 rapture is designed like an actual city, you have retarded shit like fucking diners in industrial looking gas station areas and it does not work even a little. It just looks stupid.

Burial At Sea which people clowned on, again brings that rapture design back to its mall feel and vibe and its so much better than all of the bioshock 2 levels aesthetically.

>>713254581
>Worse ending (you get absorbed into british woman no matter what)
Look at this dumbass, not getting the most kino ending.
https://youtu.be/LKxqjqP2BT4

bioshock series is ass
not one good game

depressing to think that bioshock 1 once had the mechanic of using plasmids and weapons at the same time but it was dropped at some point during development

>>713264167
I'm more annoyed that for whatever reason they took out the ability to choose what you loot so in the finished game you gormlessly smoke, eat and drink everything alongside whatever you loot.

>>713264167
They removed it just before the release too.

>>713260001
>>713263571
Never understood why people on this board praise Minerva's Den.
It's short, predictable, and it only has one ending where you leave Rapture with Tenenbaum, the protector of the little sisters, regardless of what you did to those little sisters.

Replaying Bishock last year I realized how much better they are as slow games, I wish they had been survival horror games rather than full blown shooters.
Playing Bioshock 1 with just walking, ignoring the running mechanic all together feels so much more appropriate in terms of pacing and feel.

>>713257592
butt thats a 1 microsecond long clip/vidoe

>>713265191
Because it nails the atmosphere and the story feels more in line with the original. It having one ending doesn't bother me, I've never been a fan of multiple endings outside of RPG games.

I can't believe Bioshock 2 actually triggers so much people in 2025

>>713268202
BS1 fans are very pretentious and feel like BS2 shat all over it by simply being a fun sequel

>>713268202
Bioshock 2 had too many years in the sun where people pretended it was a good sequel when it blatantly was not.