Just finished this. Fucking masterpiece. On the level of Final Fantasy. Why did I never hear about it in /v/?! I thought this was the place for hardcore gamers..

>>713282086 (OP)
It pisses me off that they only made this remaster to market their new suikoden gacha slop game.

>>713282086 (OP)
It stopped being that when zoomers who haven't even heard of Suikoden started showing up.

>>713282086 (OP)
I'm still on two but sometimes I wake up with Gregminsters town theme stuck in my head from the first game.

>>713282337
I mean they never denied a chance for Suikoden 6. The main team, especially the writer of Suikoden 5 is still working there. I think the gacha is a side project because the 108 stars things work too well to not try. Give those 108 characters, 10 different skins and you get yourself 1080 characters.

>>713282905
I do agree that 4chan is now no different than reddit or twitter, but I’m an oldfag but suikoden was still rarely if ever mentioned.

>>713282086 (OP)
I find playing this version very tempting, but at the same time I saw some comparison pictures that looked pretty bad and I could play the originals anyway

>>713283562
The original artstyle of the 1st game is vastly better yes, but the translation was horrible, and this remaster comes with a faithful new translation. Also buying it will help us get a new game, but that’s up to you.

>>713282086 (OP)
/v/ hasn't been about videogames for over almost ten years. Suikoden was relatively popular here back in the day.

>>713284227
What part was the most popular? 2?

>>713286047
2 was always the most popular.

As well as the first two, 3 and 5 are worth playing... I'm not a fan of 3, i find it kind of a slog, i don't find the central conflict at all fulfilling and the battle system is a little too slow, but people like it i think. 5 is more of a callback to the first two but way stretched out and sometimes a bit sloppily written and hamfisted, it's not bad at all though.

>>713283562
The game more feels like a Suikoden II remaster and they decided on doing the first game halfway through without the assets. It's still fine, there's not really any other changes made besides a updated translation so it doesn't read like an ESL having a stroke and some very minor QoL things (like Blinking Mirror being a key item) and bugfixes (music playing, unfortunately Maranda glitch got fixed). Other than that, it's the exact same games.

>>713286507
Weird that you criticize 5, I always see it as a contender for top spot with 2. I heard 3 suffered from loading times and other techies stuff. You think they will remake it? Or is it not worth it

>>713282086 (OP)
5>1>2. Didn't play 3 and 4.

>>713286831
Can you max the weapon of the oldest blacksmith in suikoden 1?

>>713286831
You forgot that they added an option that makes the battles go faster, which big honestly. But maybe you can also do that in emulator so whatever.

Suikoden 2 is tomboy heaven

>>713286940
Why 1 over 2?

>>713286917
Oh to be clear I think it probably is second best, I'm just criticising them relative to the second game really. Suikoden 5 especially is very long and drawn-out which could be surprising coming from 1 and 2, though I don't find it tedious like 3

It's been a while but yeah i think i remember the loading times in 3 being pretty rough, but it's really the slow pacing that kills it for me. It doesn't feel like much of anything happens until very far in the story and without spoiling anything the nature of the villains means there isn't the same kind of tension or intrigue going on

Plenty of people like it though so ymmv. I feel doubtful they'll remake the 3D games but who knows

>>713287549
Because 1 is kino and 2 is overated.

i heard the switch version has major framerate issues (not the switch 2 version)

should i just wait for a steam sale?

>>713287832
Never heard of it.

>>713287701
based
Suikoden 1 is one of my favorite games of all time
2 is great but doesn't have the same magic
I do wish the remaster let you pick the old portraits though, I don't like most of the new ones and some of them are really awful

When I was a kid I skipped the dialogue and thought Gremio was a girl and had a huge crush on him and now I still do

>>713287205

anyone else feels like the first game has more of a fantasy type feeling than the second game which feels a bit more grounded?

I played them for the first time when the remasters came out, yeah they were kino

>>713282086 (OP)
anon have you seen the threads lately? if its not donkey fags its deltatroon fags
the anons that used to play all the good ol' JRPGs are long gone or are few and far between /v/, /vg/, and /vrpg/

>>713282086 (OP)
> Why did I never hear about it in /v/?! I
Because of secondary fags like coming in. Flooding this board with gay shit like New Vegas threads

>>713282337
>>713283408
So far what I'm hearing from the gacha game sounds SO GOOD.
>Finally we get to see the Rune of Change, maybe even the Circle Rune, since they're opposites.
>New character designs look good.
>Army Battles look like Suikoden V.
>Good Pixel Art.
>We get to see more of Odessa.
>Turn based battles
The problem is: It's a gacha. But all the rest? Seems like a new Suikoden to me. It's not fair...

>>713282337
If the gachaslop does well we will get 6, screenshot this.

these niggers don't play games anymore
they just talk about troons and cry about being poltroons

>>713282086 (OP)
Heard the first game mostly references to the Water Margin novel. And then it became its own thing.

>>713290149
Companies dont do charity, i wont play a free to play gacha, make it 60 bucks and complete and I'll play it. The only gambling in a suikoden i want to see is chinchirorin.

>>713287205
Riou married both her and Nanami

I played it and yeah, both games are great but Suikoden II was so good.

>>713290226
No company who has a successful live service game going is gonna bother making a new game any time soon. Main reason why it took so long for GTA6 is because GTA online is already printing money at max capacity for so long.

>>713289381
I'm trying to think of all the tomboy/pseudo-tomboy characters there are in the game.

>Nanami
>Eilie
>Hanna
>Anita
>Tengaar
>Oulan
>Ayda
>Tomo
>Wakaba
>Lo Wen
>Valeria and Kasumi probably count
That's 3/4 of your playable female characters.

>>713290268
Yes. I think the only attachment left is the 108 stars. The novel itself wasn’t anything special, except that the warriors were genocidal freaks and scumbags mostly, unlike the ones in the game.

>>713291593
Ronnie Bell kinda counts
Cleo was also probably a tomboy when she was younger

>>713290704
Distant future is still better than never.

>>713289219
I think Suikoden 1 is fun in some areas but its story doesn't really hit the same highs for me. And I like the way that S2 constantly emphasizes Riou's pacifism and the fact he's only in this war more or less out of obligation to his comrades via the various opportunities to quit, his weapon choice, his run being more for healing and even having to choose to stand there and let Jowy beat the shit out of you instead of fighting back at the very end.

>>713290704
Type-Moon made Tsukihime remake, and is also remaking Fate/Extra, and Samurai Remnant, and remastered the original Fate/Stay Night. I do agree with you, but even without the gacha, they have no incentive to bring it back anyway.

>>713291593
does meg count?

look what they did to my boy, Kwanda

>>713287205
tomboy tummy

so is Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes any good?

>>713291593
For me, it's Miakis.

>>713292198
Yes.
It's not anything amazing, but if you like Suikoden you will probably like Eiyuden.
All the minigames suck dick though.

>>713282086 (OP)
Just coming to this thread to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWeiocb_okE

>>713292198
if you can ignore the obvious Western meddling with the designs and plot points, yes.

I’m mad the ending of the first game
doesn’t let you become a king and chose a wife. I mean you were already one, why not continue?

>>713292391
If it’s also in the plot, then I can’t.

>>713290149
I hate that the art/designs have that shitty LN/VN aesthetic. I suck at explaining it but there's a way that type of art tends to look from the faces to being overdesigned to the coloring where it all looks very flat and lifeless to me. They don't seem like something that came from Suikoden.

>>713292451
Because of the Soul Eater. You can't rule a country or marry anyone because you will kill anyone who comes close to you

>became head of the merchant’s guild
Kek

>

>>713292358
>>713292391
is the previous game worth playing?

is this the game where a part member has SEXO with a guard or something?

>>713283562
Emulators have better quality of life features and you get to play the original game, literally no reason to play some dumbass remaster. This stuff is for people too stupid and too lazy to even figure out emulators and roms.

>>713292602
Was it worth it to give everything I worked hard for to Lepant and his faggot son? Odessa would’ve been hotter as a queen.

>>713282086 (OP)
I talk about it all the time, zoomers don't like old games and just want to play whatever is popular. The only time they'll acknowledge older games is when they get a re-release and their favorite e-celeb gets paid to finally push them

Next best one is the series is Suikoden 5
Wild Arms and Star Ocean are similarly good series that get overlooked. Star Ocean also go a re-release so people paid it some attention.

>>713293370
Or people who want the series to continue you faggot nigger? but your kind don’t play games anyway, they just complain about everything.

>>713293453
>buying a 29year old game hoping for a sequel

>>713293224
never played it, but it's 75% off right now (less than $4) if you're interested
it's not a JRPG though, it's a side scroller(i think?)

>>713291782
I was thinking S2 specifically.

Why don't Flik or Tai Ho actually want Kimberly? Are they actually so gay that they don't want to fuck a hot, drunk, horny hag? Are they discriminating against her because she's illiterate and think that their children would be retarded?

>>713293370
The original version of S2 has a sloppy and at times literally incomplete translation and bugs out the ass like music not playing during army battles or other places.

>>713293982
Flik doesn't want Kimberly because he is still in love with Odessa.
Tai Ho DOES want Kimberly but Yam Koo cock blocks him to protect his brother because he knows Kimberly is a thot

>>713294234
In the end I think Yam Koo fuck off and she forces herself into Tai Hoo’s home. So maybe he also didn’t want her, but doesn’t mind also.

>>713293373
>Lepant
Eileen is the one actually running the country because he just listens to what she says or suggest he do.

>>713294426
She also didn’t show any great intellect. But You’re wrong since the game at the end says she just follows where Lepant goes. So she’s the one who listens probably.

>>713291789
You have a better chance of being able to dump the content of the games into an AI and have it spit out a sequel, than you do of the company legitimately making one in the future.
Nobody can write a story anymore which is a requirement for any kind of legitimate Suikoden game. They only know how to do parodies, irony, and generic mmo/gacha slop with no plot.

>>713282086 (OP)
>Why did I never hear about it in /v/?!
lurk moar

>>713293445
"PIGS could be here," he thought, "I've never been in this village before. PIGS could be anywhere." The hot flames felt good against his armored chest. "I HATE PIGS," he thought. Orizzonte reverberated his entie head, making it pulsate even as the 9 potch circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) disgust of swine at any time of day. "With fire you can burn anything you want," he said to himself, out loud.

>>713293224
I couldn't get into Eiyuden. The plot doesn't have much of a hook going in, and some early plot events set me off the wrong way the hero's village getting burned down but don't worry! Everyone escaped to the woods over there :)

Also I'm not some anti-woke agitator, i think it's often overblown but in this case the translators actually do need to be tortured & killed isis style.

>>713294813
The main writer of Suikoden V is still working in Konami, and he’s involved in the gacha, so you’re wrong.

>>713295372
And to be clear it's not just the localisers shoehorning in woke stuff but the general characterisation is often very obnoxious.

>>713295442
>The main writer of Suikoden V is still working in Konami, and he’s involved in the gacha, so you’re wrong.
Why spend time and energy on a complex compelling story to sell a single game to someone for ~$70 when he could be selling skins/outfits to addicts for hundreds of dollars a month.

>>713296180
But gachas EOS like crazy too, oversaturation isn't a winning strategy either.

>>713282086 (OP)
I've seen some irony-posting on here but this is ridiculous

>>713292451
Did you somehow make it through the entire game without figuring our what the Soul Eater does?

>>713293637
... it's never late to do something.

>>713297639
If it kills Kasumi then Kasumi gets to live forever inside of him as part of the rune. I'm sure she'd be fine with that.

>>713297639
No because both Victor and Flik don’t die. Only Gremio, then Gremio revives. How am I supposed to figure it out if the game itself doesn’t commit to it?

>>713299804
They're not that close to the MC.
The more close you get, the higher chances of dying you are. The rune itself has a personality, and choose the target.

>>713299956
Only legitimate hint at this was his father, but Odessa dies quickly after you get close to her, and it doesn’t make sense that your bond with her is stronger than Victor, and yes she did hint at romantic feelings for you, but Flik actually loves her and we never know if she did love him back, so even her feelings for you remain ambiguous, but I guess the tune choosing is a proof in itself. Then you have Ted, he fights you and die amidst battle, the rune did kill him yes, but the game confuses you still. Finally there’s Gremio, first he willingly sacrifices himself then revives in the end. The game fails horribly at explaining the rune’s curse aside from his father. The best thing would’ve been choosing a girl to love then see her die, or the party member who used the most dies.

>Oopsie! I messed up the spell again! Guess I might as well join the nearest rebellion and overthrow another empire.
Will we ever figure out what her deal is?

>>713300752
she's an airhead

>>713290149
>Finally we get to see the Rune of Change, maybe even the Circle Rune, since they're opposites.

who cares, original creator/director is dead and the series went off the rails after he left midway through Suikoden III. It's just Konami beating a dead horse like they've done since Suikoden IV.

>>713300849
I mean I get you, but he made Eiyuden and it was trash. Maybe he never had anything planned beyond 3, maybe what he planned was going to be trash. Mikami made RE4 and nearly all classic fans hated it, for example. Suikoden V wasn’t made by him yet people rate it as the second best and others as the best in the series.

>>713300849
>"[Director] made [franchise] good all by himself"
Oh, one of the oldest fallacies of /v/! Good to see it again!

>>713301378
It’s kojimbo who popularized this idea. After years people finally found out that Mikami wasn’t entirely responsible tor RE1, he literally wanted to completely lack a story, except Capcom forced him to add one, he didn’t even make the story but a guy named Kenichi Iwao. He created Wesker and all the characters, and the biological horror element. According to his interview Mikami absolutely loathed his work, and wanted to add a terminator like cyborg.

>>713301338
Suikoden V is rated because of the gameplay and presentation. The characters and plot are pure ass.

>>713302549
>He don't like female Gremio
GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>713302549
Faggot

>>713302549
Wrong

>>713282086 (OP)
Agreed

>>713299804
There's the issue that Gremio's spirit is still there at the end even after reviving him which calls into question how the fuck the revival actually worked.

>>713301378
In this sense it's kind of true because Murayama was the actual creator of the series and the main writer so the plot and all of that shit came directly from him and as shown the games without him had kind of weak stories that lose a lot of the complexity and heaviness of the Murayama games, especially II.

>>713300484
The rune unlocks new powers only when people die, thats a pretty big ingame hint.

>>713293110
>get Dragon Incense
>Viktor is now the best party member after the MC

Any hard mod for Suikoden 2 original? I don't want to play the remaster but if it's the only way to get a challenging difficulty then I'm gonna have to

>>713282086 (OP)
yeah they're fun games
too bad what they did to it