>over 20 years since Warcraft III released
>not once
>not a single time in two plus decades
>not a single alternate solution has ever been put forth for Stratholme that doesn't immediately cause Lordaeron to be crushed by a tidal wave of zombies

>>713290358 (OP)
speaking of objectively correct
>>Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you.
Even blizzard agree with him, albeit accidentally

>>713290358 (OP)
>not in a quarter century has an RTS released to rival WC3
moba really did kill the genre.

>>713290815
Modern Warcraft be like
>nooo! putting the demon worshipping homeless foreigner invaders into prison camps is like HITLER

>>713291093
I'm honestly baffled by the fact that modern blizzard has done everything they can to prove him right. He believed that they were monsters who deserved death, and that any peace would be a prelude to more bloodshed. Come WoD and he is shown to be 100% correct. Orcs are fucking assholes and should be wiped from existence.

Something else I've noticed is that literally every single named character from Wc1-3 has either been included or referenced over the years in WoW, with one exception.
Garithos has never even been acknowledged. Not even for some humiliation ritual.
He's too powerful for even all the poz from blizzard to stop him.

>>713290358 (OP)
Uther and the Knights hold the line while Jaina goes and asks the Kirin'tor to quarantine the city with magic.
It was that easy.

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>>713290358 (OP)
Whats wrong with becoming a zombie?

>>713290358 (OP)
The solution is to explain rationally why this is a correct desicion and not to sperg out in front of people who are naturally going to oppose such idea.

>>713292613
Becoming undead permanently corrupts your spirit which is a big deal. I'm surprised someone like Uther was oblivious to something like this. Maybe a writing mistake?

>>713292235
But mal ganis fucking rounds up the zombies and teleports them away from stratholme if you don't kill them first in the mission

>>713293043
Even if Mal'Ganis weren't involved, "holding the line" in this case means setting up swordsmen around the exits of a city that will be rapidly filling up with more and more zombies as the turned civilians begin killing and turning the living residents of Stratholme. Uther's knights are overwhelmed and Lordaeron dies that day rather than when Death Knight Arthas returns from Northrend.

>>713291681
>Come WoD
What? Try every WoW expansion leading up to WoD, the Orcs were constantly starting wars of aggression and slaughtering other races for territory. WoD is just where it was proved that it wasn't the demonblood that made them bloodthirsty savages bent on world conquest, it just made them better at it. There has never been a point (until modern WoW where everyone is a pacifistic bitch being ruled over by girlbosses) in WoWs history where the Orcs weren't killing and conquering.

>>713293247
heh, ye probably right

>>713293250
I should clarify.
I meant that WoD is the point where every dindu excuse WoW tried to give them falls apart.
There's no bullshit about claiming self defence, demon blood, bad apples or whatever to muddy the water. That's the point where we can see they're evil and always have been, with the good ones being statistically irrelevant anomalies of circumstance.

Funny how Horde ended up as the defacto good guy expansion after the Alliance let in literal void cultists and literal demons who started a 10'0000 year crusade in

>>713290358 (OP)
The death of the Alliance wasn't Arthas, but the hubris of its members. Silvermoon turned its back on its human allies sans a few good samaritan elves. Lordaeron only got support from Dalaran who could offer research assistance but not the armies needed to fight back the Scourge. They had to unify to stop the orcs; with their unity squandered, they all fell before the Legion's second attempt. Arthas would have been less desperate if the soldiers of Gilneas and Stromgarde showed up in force to assist, if Silvermoon unleashed its might, if the dwarves and gnomes provided further containment measures and wisdom.

That's the real tragedy. It isn't just the fall of Arthas, it's the whole of the Alliance succumbing to pride and choosing to be picked off one by one.

>>713293828
I attribute Arthas's fall to truly begin when Uther and Jaina refuse to stand with him. Particularly Jaina, given her personal relationship and her understanding of the situation, having investigated the nature of the plague alongside Arthas.
I hadn't thought about the thematic relevance of the surrounding kingdoms also not aiding Lordaeron.

>>713292613
zombies don't pay taxes. it's his duty as prince to prevent it

>>713290358 (OP)
I really would like that the story continued in a WC3 way, than having WoW.

Humans got too greedy, thought they could have their cake and eat it too. Arthas saw this after Jaina and Uther didn't help him. I think Arthas become the Lich King became a large growing point for the Alliance since it meant they had to legitimately band together to stop the scourge. And then the cataclysm happened and we got green jesus (got raped in hyjal by the elements for no reason).

Truly the pinnacle of warcraft lore.

>>713292989
The whole "being undead destroys your eternal soul and you go to giga-hell when you die" thing wasn't really known until WotLK. And bear in mind during WC3 undead were basically an entirely new thing.

>>713290358 (OP)
I didn't even give Uther the honor of showing up with Arthas. I used my ghouls to kill him.

>>713290358 (OP)
Do I remember it wrong or did some start to turn into zombies already as they started the purge?

>>713290815
>Blizzard tried to create a narrative that the orcs were just regular tribal people that weren't retarded warmongers, the only reason they're like that is because of demon blood
>Warlords of Draenor makes them retarded warmongers even without demon blood
If anyone tries to pretend the lore of WoW ever got good again after Cata, they're wrong.

>>713296102
There were the Death Knights and their thralls from Wc2.
On that note I'm still pissed off that the Scythe of Elune plot got dropped entirely.

>>713292235
>Quarantine the city with magic
So you're still just killing off the city. And the Kirin Tor are notable for taking too long to make decisions. Remember, mage magic and Paladin magic don't cure the plague.

>>713296479
Pretty sure the 'Iron Horde' deal was Garrosh's fault, but the whole idea of a separate timeline to Draenor is beyond retarded. It's crazy how long Garrosh got to live. Alliance were written to drop the ball on this one, hard.

>>713290358 (OP)
They could have sexed the zombies.

>>713296456
Arthas is mid-report to Uther about the necromantic nature of the plagued grain when they see a civilian turn into a zombie and start attacking others. Arthas then immediately orders the Purge.

>>713296993
Well then they pretty much had no choice anyway, they would essentially have to lock down the city, start killing people that just turned to zombies and even more would start to turn as they did that.

>>713290358 (OP)
>Uther continues to be jerked off in the canon as some godhero
>did literally nothing and is just as if not more responsible for Stratholme and the Scourge as Arthas

The only one that can stop a bad zombie horde is a good zombie horde. We need more necromancers.

>>713296918
I hate to say it, but Alliance are just literal jannies. They stop the Horde, wag their finger at them, and then turn around and just ignore them until another issue pops up. It happens so damn much that it makes the Alliance look worse as a result. Makes you wonder why they keep letting hundreds of people die just to smack the other side on the wrist.

>>713297452
He was a hero in the second war and invented paladins
By Warcraft 3's time he's basically an out of touch boomer

>>713298143
In fairness the Alliance gets new mcguffins and even more powerful heroes every time it happens. Also usually they get to rape a, until recently, unknown land for resources and treasure.

>>713297731
True, if later WoW lore got one thing right, is that zombies, if they can reason, can be good.

>>713291681
>Garithos has never even been acknowledged. Not even for some humiliation ritual.
Because they keep proving that Garithos was right.

They wrote a character that's a two dimensional knight of fantasy racism and have spent most of WoW proving that had every right to hate working with these... "people". They put him into WoW and all they'd accomplish is introducing people who never played Warcraft 3 to this Garithos bloke that people keep talking about hey, what do you know, they were right about him being right.

>>713293527
What's really funny is the most virtuous one is Thrall, who was raised by Humans.

>>713296918
The issue with the Iron Horde is that every orc leader besides Durotan goes with it. That's technically true for the main timeline too, but it was pronounced more in the expansion and Durotan still technically fought alongside the Old Horde and only technically tried to stop after the First War. WoD just made Orcs worse, before that you could believe demon blood was a sort of crack whose withdrawals continued to affect their general rage and warmongering. After this, it's apparently in their nature and demon blood only added onto what was already there.

Although yeah, multiple timelines was retarded. It was kind of fine to have the bronze dragonflight as a means to replay old historical events in Warcraft history, but actually making a brand new timeline an entire expansion is still retarded. Even worse than making Pandaria an entire expansion.

For me, I like to think that Warcraft lore ended after Frozen Throne.
I think considering it a proper end is much better than whatever the fuck is happening on WoW now.

>>713293828
I won't defend *lves and don't remember what was going on in Ironforge but Gnomeregan was under a massive underground trogg assault at the time. I guess it could be seen as the alliance crumbling since they didn't ask for help with it though.

>>713298284
That just results in the writers using fuck all of it, or suppressing a hero of the alliance through a couple of chains. Velen is a good example of an all powerful leader who just jobs constantly, the Gnomes being able to create nukes is never important, Jaina could wipe out Orgrimmar with a tidal wave and almost does before Thrall tells her to put a tampon in, it's just a fucking mess.

>>713298579
Pandaria was actually the best expansion, lore wise, by far. It was the only expansion where they actually created new lore, new villains, and gave real story arcs and an actual overarching narrative to the content. Previous to that it was just them cannibalizing and raping WC3 lore, and after MoP they just started cannibalizing and raping WC2 lore instead of trying to keep creating new and original content for the game and setting.

>>713298579
>After this, it's apparently in their nature and demon blood only added onto what was already there.
It was always like this, no? Orcs are honorable savages but they aren't supposed to be peaceful good boys. They are basically vikings. Demon blood just pushes them into full on extreme bloodthirst rape genocide mode like they were in WC 1 and 2.

>>713290358 (OP)
>let ten trillion zombies spill over the countryside
>send in hundreds of level 1 paladins, archmages and mountain kings
>now have a massive army of max level heroes
>let archimonde get summoned just so you can kill him for items
>finish off the horde, trolls etc from coast to coast
>head westward, colonize the entire planet
>upon meeting the night elves, let their men sleep while you "introduce" their women to the "alliance"
Uther was right all along.

>>713293828
>Gilneas
Genuinelly treacherious retards with Genn being convinced to larp as Trump instead of helping. It kinda worked, but not really
>Stormgarde
lol
lmao
They don't have any millitary power at the time.
All of their efforts are focused on rebuilding.
>Silvermoon
Exatly same as Gilneas and they would have been able to cosplay as Trump if not for a treachery from on of their own
>Dwarves
Have big problems with Black mountain and Dark Dwarfs at the time. You are lucky you even have expeditions of them in Lorderon
>Gnomes
lol
lmao
They outright can't help. They NUKED their city
They have nothing to help with even if you consider them existing, which is a WoW thing. There were no gnomes in Lorderon.

>>713299467
Damn, Uther was something else as a strategist...

>>713290358 (OP)
>Arthas clearly not resting enough seeing his people turned into the undead, riding to another city with reports of the scourge, feels the pressure of having to handle all of these questions, can't sit and do nothing because every minute that passes more people are turned undead, Stratholme is the second highest populated city in the Kingdom and one solid win for the Scourge gives them a big enough army to swallow the rest of the Kingdom city by city
>all these facts and more, some even listed in the thread
>people still pretend Arthas did something wrong
It's really incredible. Even the person who made the map, who granted didn't actually write the dialogue and the lore, just the person who fucking made it, got absolutely shat on when he tried to raise several points that simply wouldn't work, like "Just put them all in boats and push them out to sea until they're quarantined." Why is every person who argues against Arthas' purging a complete retard or an obvious secondary?

>>713299497
>They have nothing to help with even if you consider them existing, which is a WoW thing.
WC2*

>>713299780
Ah, I forgot they are a unit in WC2, since there is no gnome units in WC3

>>713299768
>Just put them all in boats and push them out to sea until they're quarantined
No shit? Ignoring the undead force that's running rampant in and around the city and the dreadlord having an undead collectathon, I don't even know how to begin describing how much of a clusterfuck trying to do that would be. Commandeering the boats, rounding up people who are sick and actively turning into zombies unto those boats, resistance from people who aren't infected who don't want themselves and their loved ones on a boat that will be overrun with zombies that will fucking kill them.

>Why is every person who argues against Arthas' purging a complete retard or an obvious secondary?
Because his solution while brutal was a quick, decisive and effective one. There ain't a cure, the plague is turning people and there's a fucking dreadlord running around collecting undead like they're berries in an orchard so there ain't time to find one and we're a bit too late for a quarantine here. Any more humane sounding alternative would in practice but far less humane or practical at best, and handing Mal'Ganis a free undead army at worst.

>Be a black-and-white bad guy written in the early 2000s about how racism is bad
>Do nothing but complain about inferior races the entire time as being untrustworthy liars and demon-worshipping cultists
>Elves actually are drug-addled demon cultists
>Naga actually are backstabbing demon cultists
>Undead actually are genocidal mass murderers
>Orcs actually are city-destroying murderers
He was wrong about the dwarves, but that's it.

>>713302203
He chased off the friendly elves before allying himself with a literal zombie one and expected her to honor their deal. He was a certified retard.

if you are a male character that has even anything about your character that makes you mean to immigrants, race, anything anti-left leaning then your character is immediately declared the bad guy and is unforgivable.

Pic related is the "big bad" of War Within, but because she's a woman and she's only killed people...destroyed an entire city...through the nerubian dynasty into a death spiral... aaand fucked with just about everything else she could...she's still considered salvage worthy and we actually TEAM UP with her in the final raid. Because it was all according to plan or some dogshit.