what the fuck happened to MMOs?

>>713298535 (OP)
Nothing. They were dogshit since day 1.

>Mabinogi in A tier
why?

>>713298647
it has everything you could want in an MMO

>>713298535 (OP)
>GW2
B tier
>Maplestory, both runescapes
F Tier
>PSO2
B tier for PSO2
F tier for NGS

>>713298535 (OP)
>Guild Wars 2
>A
Lollin.

>GW2
>A tier
oh I am laffin

maplestory literally created lootboxes
why would you put it in A

>>713298535 (OP)
Get new material shithead

Chrono Odyssey should be in its own tier below everything else. Put it in P tier.

>>713298535 (OP)
GW2 C tier since EoD

>>713298535 (OP)
Guild Wars isn't an MMO, why do you retards keep saying it's one?

>>713298535 (OP)
xiv isn't a fucking mmo put it in F
put WoW in S. There I fixed it.

>>713298535 (OP)
How can Black Desert be worse than ESO?

>>713298535 (OP)
I remember when Nexon were absolutely shitting out MMO's left right and center. Now it's considered the most costly game genre to develop for. So weird too, like one day there were 100s and the next, all gone.

As someone who actively plays modern Maplestory, I would not put it above B tier

>>713298535 (OP)
put ffxiv in F tier

>>713302793
>xiv isn't an mmo, put it in F
True
>put wow in S
fucking lmao, implying

A slightly better tierlist.
Im a turk living in Germany.

>dungeons and dragons online in D
i havent played that in years but it was pretty fun. theres no way in hell its worse than lost ark and pso2ng of all things

>>713298716
modern mabinogi sucks though, 95% of the content is irrelevant, and theres insane power creep with the arcanas. also so many of the endgame power systems are incredibly horrible + riddled with rng for progression (as expected of a korean mmo i guess). mabi was godtier back in the day, but the only people playing it nowadays just cant move on.

>>713298535 (OP)
>dfo
still hobbling along i see

>>713304386
#1 mmo stay mad

>>713305730
And FIFA is the best series ever created.

no one wants to waste time farming bear asses for 18 hours anymore unc

what makes Dofus and Guild Wars so good?

I’ve only played one MMO in my life where it felt like an actual community. It was a Korean Ragnarok rip off, so if you’ve played Ragnarok I’d assume it’s about the same experience. Every other game besides that it felt like the other players were just npcs.

Someone is posting this thread multiple times a day. Stop replying to it.

>>713304603
Where's Silkroad Online?

>>713302051
>>713299371
>>713298863
>>713302490
Agreed B or C for GW 2 and I am a veteran of it.

>>713302559
It’s so similar just stop.

SWTORfag here, I have few complaints about the game, for the most part it's very good, but then I'm someone who only wants a really really big RPG with a world that feels lived in, and not constant socialisation and massive group coordination. MMOs in general are stuck with very hard design problems, especially if they don't go the "just a big RPG" route.

There's the dilemma of wanting group content to be challenging vs wanting it to be easy to find a group. Sitting around saying "lfg" is absolutely no fun, and being locked out of something because a group is mandatory but nobody is doing it also sucks balls.

Then there's the content bloat where the original cohesive design is lost and little exceptions or issues pile up, because devs are never thorough about these things, and often they don't know anywhere near as much about the game as the players.

There's the issue of bringing out new content without making old content worthless. There's the issue of taking the story in a direction that isn't "it's the ultimate final threat to the world for real this time guys".

And of course the hardest is avoiding shitty monetisation practices. Shit like dailies and reputation grinds in to pad playtime, level boost tokens to get to endgame and invalidate the entire RPG aspect, and microtransactions of xp, currency, loot boxes, cosmetics, etc.

In general the perfect MMO would need a highly competent dev team to do way more work than normal in order to extract way less money from players than normal. That's why the genre is in this sorry state.