Thread 713304385

Is 4k enough for modern Gamers or is 8k slowly becoming the new norm?

8K aint even close to native so no.

4k is 4 gays

>>713304385 (OP)
I'm still at 1080
>but why??
so I don't have to move my eyeballs around so much.

I'm sticking with 1080p and whoever calls me a poorfag can tongue my anus.

>>713304385 (OP)
Sadly 8k will not become the new high end until the end of the decade and 4k will become mid-range by that point.

>>713304385 (OP)
you should look up the steam stats on screen resolution. And its not looking any better on the console side. People might have 4K TVs but none of the games run at 4K

>>713304385 (OP)
UE5 can barely do 1440 without shitting itself. 4k 60 without framegen is about where we are at right now. 8k seems out of reach currently. 1440 is the new 1080 target for a new build. 16 gb of vram will cover 1440 indefinitely.

there is literally not a single console game that runs at actual native 4K, you are always experiencing upscaled shit

>>713305021
Resolution doesn't necessarily equate to a bigger screen retard-san
>>713304904
But look at this comparison of a 4k screenshot overlaid on an 8k screenshot.

>>713304385 (OP)
Modern games can't run 4k 120fps. They can barely run at times 4k 60fps. None can run 8k

If your game doesn't have visual clarity in 480p it's shit and you need to start all fucking over.

>>713305376
>UE5 can barely do 1440 without shitting itself.
But I'm running STALKER 2 at 4k with over 100fps.

>>713305745
Here's a demonstration of what Arthur Morgan looks like at varying resolutions. Look at how shitty it looks at 720p. I didn't even bother going all the way down to 480p. Read Dead Redemption 2 is universally agreed upon to be one of the best looking games ever made. So what the hell did you mean by your post, exactly?

>>713306092
>Visual clarity
>Thinks this means being punched in on a single character on screen
Not worth talking to

>>713305815
without pressing any buttons or moving the mouse then it tanks to 12fps*

>>713306092
didn't read

turn off post processing retard

>>713304385 (OP)
crazy how i like this game so much I can tell this is mirror's edge at a glance

>>713304385 (OP)
We're not at 4k yet unless you're playing older games (which is good).
8k is basically only Mario 64 pretty much

>needs anything higher than 720p
I bet you guys have 4gbs of ram. Keep wasting money on pointless upgrades.

>>713306182
Is this better for you then? This is what STALKER 2 would look like in 480p. Don't be angry with me because you're too poor to afford hardware that can render games in resolutions higher than 480p.

>>713306580
>NOOOOOOO I AM A BIG BOY
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'D WANT TO HAVE GOOD VISUAL CLARITY
>YOU'RE MAD BECAUSE I HAVE A SUPER BIG BOY COMPUTER >:(((

>>713306203
My fps literally never dips below 80 and that's only in heavily populated areas.
>>713306370
Very satisfying taking screenshots in this game at 8k. Great wallpaper material.

>>713304385 (OP)
The flagship cards are barely handling 4k without fake frames.

>>713306092
>stretch lower resolutions up to the largest resolution
>DUDE LOOK HOW BLURRY THEY ARE
This has precisely nothing to do with what you see when looking at a screen of some resolution. You abject fucking retard.

>>713304385 (OP)
Upscaling is not 4k.

>>713304385 (OP)
all that resolution and it still looks like shit

>>713305815
upscaled doesn't count

>>713306580
>doesn't know that post-processing effects are dependent on the resolution and would have a different result if done at a different resolution and can't simply be scaled
retard
>scale an image down and then back up by a factor of 4.5 and using an interpolating algorithm
full retard

>>713310347
>using an interpolating algorithm
I used photoshop.

i still use a 1080 monitor from 2012

>>713304385 (OP)
>Is 4k enough for modern Gamers
Yes.
>>713304904
>8K aint even close to native
You, like the rest of online retards, have no clue what the word "native" means. A 240p display can display its native resolution of 240p, but it'll still look infinitely worse than 1080p on a 4k display even though that's not native.

>>713304385 (OP)
>1080p
>30fps
Yep, it's gaming time!

>>713309778
>>713310216
Upscaled would count if it could do it with movement.
But it can't, it drop to the native resolution when in fast movement so you two are right.

>>713304385 (OP)
I'm not interested in 8k. Still feels too much like the early adopters phase. 4K felt like a big jump in fidelity when i early adopted phased that, and i still think it's the case that it was a good bump from 1080p.

>>713310392
You don't know how to use photoshop.

>>713304385 (OP)
Not until 4320p 240hz OLED or µLED monitors are on the market.

>>713310539
>Upscaled would count if it could do it with movement.
Modern ML-based upscalers actually fare better with movement than the rendering modes you use at native resolutions.

>>713305021
>>713305156
>>713310436
>>713310483
Dangerously based

don't see a point beyond 1080p

>>713310730
They just can't deal with the impossible of inventing data out of nowhere that is needed to deal with deocclusion.

>>713304385 (OP)
lol 4k's already a gimmick as it is

Yeah I need more image clarity

>>713310853
>They just can't deal with the impossible of inventing data out of nowhere that is needed to deal with deocclusion.
This is offset by the fact that they're simply better in motion and antialias better. If you're gonna be a stickler for image quality there is literally no reason not to use DLSS4/FSR4 in modern games (hopefully at input resolutions near 100%) because the alternative rendering modes are just objectively worse now, including TAA.

>>713310998
For anti-alias it is better than the other solutions that are either insanely heavy or shit, and failure of coverage is not that visible.

But when you want to use it to create extra pixels, fill in shadows, do transparency, do motion and accumulate ambient light, shit just breaks up.

>>713310953
More vidya for this aesthetics (bladerunner and/or art deco)?

>>713310808
>don't see a point beyond 1080p
Once you go 4k you will realize how bad 1080p is. 1080p is somehow blurry + fuzzy + pixelated + flickery all at the same time. It's like there's constant motion blur, depth of field on anything in the foreground, and everything is made out of visibly crawling pixels that have minds of their own. Rendering at 4k for the first time feels like suddenly having 20/20 vision and being surprised by just how stable and clear everything is.

HOWEVER you will eventually get used to 4k and it'll look normal to you, whereas 1080p will look unusable. Which sucks because in the past you could've just stayed blissfully ignorant at 1080p. Also there are not enough genuinely good or fun games released in the last 6-8 years that justify spending money for 4k rendering. So you end up having a point.

>>713311240
This reads as someone who knows next to nothing about how the image he sees is rendered and what is responsible for the artifacts he sees.

>>713311512
Your post reads as someone with a 1080p monitor wrote it.

>>713310808
It's to make the pixels smaller.

>>713311607
A shame you are too stupid to proceed from the clue that I gave you.

>>713311512
Keep coping you poor bloody bitch bastard benchod

>>713312024
see >>713309569
and kill yourself

>>713312075
What's funny is that those comparisons are a perfect visualization between resolutions. Poor people just have a hard time accepting the truth.

>>713311152
>But when you want to use it to create extra pixels, fill in shadows, do transparency, do motion
If you want it do motion it... does better than standard rendering. Even when using way less pixels. And please don't start with the "TAA is not native just play without AA" stuff because that's how you speedrun the revelation that you are out of touch with how games work now.

People like to claim that there are agents posting here to astroturf for agendas or for marketing. It's easy to dismiss as paranoia because most of the time they get all retarded about it and start bitching out posters for the mildest suspicion.

But here, in this thread, we see a guy posting a bunch of retarded shit and bitching out anyone who explains how it is retarded.

This thread was made and is continued by an agent trying to persuade people into buying more expensive monitors and graphics cards than they otherwise would.

>>713304385 (OP)
I just upgraded to 1080 from 720 lol

I'll start buying shit for 4K when they start releasing shit that is worth looking at in 4K
For now I'll stick with 1080p and sometimes 1440p

>>713313571
Halo CE. Also the UI scale is far superior at 2160p for desktop usage. You can see a massive portion of the catalog on 4chins. Combine that with it being 240hz and an OLED, you can find any particular thread you want by just doing a quick scroll on the catalog instead of searching.

8k is useful because it can integer scale all the main resolutions. Otherwise maybe 16k will be worth it for extra antialising, but after that that's it

I have a pro but the only 8k game right now I think is GT7. My TV is native 4K with 8K supposedly so I have to try it some day

>>713305021
You can still get a 4k screen and run improved 1080p thoughbeit

>>713313984
None of that is worth it

1080p/1440p is still by default a standard because of raytracing/pathtracing. Before Nvidia releasing the rtx 20 series we may have reached achievable high framerates at 8k faster, just like achievable high framerates at 4k quicker.
Then we have unreal engine getting more and more bloated as time went on. And devs who lack optimization knowledge. So even pretending like 1080p is outdated is just not the reality of things right now.

>>713304385 (OP)
Display makers already tried pushing 8k and it died because it was too expensive, and there is barely any 8k content.

>>713304385 (OP)
4k you need a display likely around 42" to get a decent pixel equivalency of the size. 8K on my guess, would need something even bigger which would be just terrible for PC gaming

>>713314009
Why would you ever want to integer scale 1440p? 4320p isn't really worth it until hugh refresh rate 4320p displays exist and when hardware can actually handle it.

>>713314325
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>713304385 (OP)
I run a 1080p screen, then run the game at 2160p, disable msaa/fxaa/taa/dlaa w/e aa they have, and it looks good, but I do consider going up to a 2160p screen, I'm just not sure if 4320p is possible to run games at consistently
Anyone have any actual experience on this and thoughts? Any 2160p gamers that don't use hacky aa methods that have a stance on native 2160p? Any 2160p gamers that have tried rendering at 8k?

>>713314541
Better frames.

>>713314907
Elaborate.

>>713314967
What? Lower resolution has higher fps

>>713312401
>this post gets made
>retard poster immediately stops
intredasting

>>713315489
At that point just buy a high refresh rate 1440p monitor for gaming and then a 2160p monitor for media.

>>713304385 (OP)
>expect resolutions to go higher
>expect graphics to get better
>graphics become exponentially harder to render as the resolution rises
This can't keep going forever. 4K is already on life support with frame gen, 8K is going to be an absolute shitshow.

>build a PC for gaming on my lounge room 4k TV
>even on a 65" screen, UI and text are too fucking small
>have to play at 1080p to actually see what's going on
4k is the biggest fucking meme ever

>>713314673
He's right.

>>713316553
retard

>>713304385 (OP)
no wtf? 4k is barely adopted native, 1080p is still gold standard and QHD/1440p is closer to the above-average option. 4k is for TVs running at 30fps, so movies and singleplayer games. anything requiring speed or frames is still going to be either 1080p or 1440p.

>>713316553
Compact UI is a good thing. Your eyes might be retarded if that's a problem.

UE5 can barely even get 30fps at 1080p nowadays. If the industry insists on using Tim's sloppily coded shit engine by 2030 games will prolly be running at 720p because Tim forced more poor performing grafix shit in.

>1440p 144htz monitors (I don't recall the inches of it)
>windowed 1080p 60 fps cap
Yep, it's gamer time.

don't need resolution on a monitor past 1440, I'd rather save the electricity than go any higher for diminishing returns.

>>713316493
Processing power has also increased exponentially. That has only halted because of moving the increases from raster performance to machine learning performance. The current high resolutions aren't on life support. The developers responsible for creating performant rendering with them are.

>>713316859
>saving electricity
>thinks 2160p is in the region of diminishing returns
Retard.

>>713314325
retard

>>713304385 (OP)
I have a 4070 and a 3080, seven or eight 4k monitors and tv screens, but I don't use them. 60hz @1080p is enough for me. Whatever the standard is, I'm going to ignore. Mostly out of spite. Tech bros piss me off, so I like to do the opposite of what they proclaim is the norm.

>>713304385 (OP)
>becoming the new norm
I don't ever see people talking about playing in 8k. I don't know anybody with an 8k screen. Wtf are you talking about.

>>713312225
DLSS is TAA but better.

>>713304385 (OP)
1080p is enough. deal with it, screenshotfagging nongamers.

>>713322773
the joke OP is trying to pull here is that really 4K is far from the norm and he's trying to push the window, so to speak. pretending like 4K is already the norm.

it's dubious 4K will ever become the norm on PC since at typical screen sizes and viewing distances you don't fucking see more than 1440p. keep in mind most games have such shit image quality that there will be artifacts bigger than a pixel, which will make you see the imperfections in a 1440p image, and then 4K will save the day. but just rendering cleaner images (better AA) would solve that problem, you don't need a higher res monitor to display brute-forced 4K just to get rid of aliasing or to make TAA artifacts less obvious.

>>713324047
AI generated post

>>713324083
nope.

>480 to 720
>"wow!"
>720 to 1080
>"wow!"
>1080 to 4K
>*squints* "....wow?"
>"how much was this TV again?"

>>713304385 (OP)
modern can't even run 4k with upscaler

4K is nice but 1440p gets you good native fps
Maybe 7080 will be the 4K native gpu

>>713304385 (OP)
What kind of cuck spends a fortune to get 4k resolution in video games? Are you trying to play games or watch movies you monumental faggot?
1080p is good enough.

>>713312401
Very likely.

>>713304385 (OP)
1440p, 144hz
nothing more, nothing less

>>713324502
the square in this 4k image is what the dimensions of a 720p image are. you are being dishonest.

>>713304385 (OP)
1440P is becoming the new norm. 4k is dead as AI upscaling has essentially taken care of this need for all but the most discerning of PC gamers.

>>713326908
bitch did I say 720 to 4K
no I did not

>>713326908
anon...
your reading comprehension...

Anti 4k fags are same people that are anti wireless, they just repeat what they hear on the internet without giving things a try for real.

>>713329615
?

>>713329615
>anti wireless

>>713329615
>"4k is pointless for me and most others"
>Anti 4k
You are retired?

>>713316553
Really? I have a 55 inch 4k screen myself, and I do not experience this issue. I highly doubt 10 inches creates that dramatic of a difference.

>>713304385 (OP)
Nigga, modern hardware struggle to deliver 2K and you are asking for 8K?

>>713316725
Sadly unless companies go back to making their own engine or using a better engine than UE5 industry is not going to change much and everything is at the mercy of UE.

if you have a 1080 monitor you should go above 2k

>>713332208
shouldnt* i mean, texturs

>>713304385 (OP)
when 4k becomes the standard 6-8 years from now, i suspect that we are going to be stuck on that resolution for a loooooong ass fucking time, before we hop up to 8k. going from 4k to 8k will probably take 20-30 years, or so. and no, upscaling doesn't count! we do it NATTY or we don't do it at all!

>>713305435
lol the shitty consoles can't even do native 1080p in many cases.

>>713333775
I appreciate your sentiment but 20 years from now everything will be AI generated games, using ai generated images, using ai generated frame gen using ai generated scaling. Running on a toaster being projected to your eyeball so no hardware will ever matter.

>>713333775
>when 4k becomes the standard 6-8 years from now
This is the "two more weeks" of vidya

>>713334368
it's gotta happen, eventually. a broken clock is still right twice a day, after all.

>>713306092
>4k
It looks clear
>1440p
I can start to see the bluriness but still good enough
>1080p
definitely blurrier
>720p
holy fucking soul I take it all back, 720 is the way to go

>>713312024
>>713311240
>>713311607
>>713306092
>>713312205
How does the 1440 have less AA than the 1080?

>>713335373
1080p is just blurrier which makes the pixels on corners less pronounced.

>>713304385 (OP)
The average game on PS5/series x is 1440p level quality. Which is still an improvement over 1080p.

I think it will improve enough to get to a convincing 4k while using ai but the big improvement for the PS6 will be path tracing.