Thread 713306538 - /v/ [Archived: 823 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:23:22 AM No.713306538
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Now that the dust has settled can we admit Skyrim was better?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:29:16 AM No.713306969
>>713306538 (OP)
Only if weโ€™re comparing modded Skyrim to vanilla anything else. Base Skyrim was jank held together by Toddโ€™s lies and duct tape. But with mods? It becomes a completely different beast. That said, it still had more soul than most modern open world games. Iโ€™ll give it that.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:47:19 AM No.713308236
Trvth nuke
Trvth nuke
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>>713306538 (OP)
Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion

Oblivion is an awkward middle ground between RPG and action adventure game that excels at neither.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:48:59 AM No.713308346
>>713306538 (OP)
definitely not

skyrim is as shallow as a puddle
morrowind > oblivion > skyrim
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:50:12 AM No.713308427
>>713308236
This. Also the modding scene in Oblivion kinda sucks. Skyrim has a crap load of stuff, Morrowind has TR, Oblvion has nothing really interesting
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:50:59 AM No.713308472
>>713306538 (OP)
>can we admit draugrdraugrdraugr is better than the game with various enemies
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:51:16 AM No.713308493
>>713306538 (OP)
Skyrim is challenged only by Elden Ring for GOAT a sad 15 years latter.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:51:30 AM No.713308509
They're right behind me aren't they
They're right behind me aren't they
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>>713306538 (OP)
I prefer the original because I can run it at 200fps and it has a much nicer color palette.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:52:23 AM No.713308561
>>713306538 (OP)
Skyrim is too linear, I hate the dungeons being hallways.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:52:38 AM No.713308581
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>>713306538 (OP)
Both are bad games, Oblivion is just less bad.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:53:31 AM No.713308638
>>713308346
Spotted the Morrowtranny
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:56:09 AM No.713308808
>>713306538 (OP)
There's nothing to admit, Skyrim always was better. The one cool thing about Oblivion was the radiant AI and giving all the NPCs schedules and it was 99% useless fluff but it was still neat, but Skyrim's better in every other way

>>713308236
I agree with this frog for the exact same reasons. Morrowind's still better but Skyrim's at least a good dumb action game if you want titty mods or even just to click on a few skeletons, Oblivion's the bastard mutant between them. It's also why Daggerfall and Starfield are in their own little subcategory of loose game frameworks to hang your own story off of
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:56:25 AM No.713308828
>>713306969
If mods improve it so much why are so few people playing modded Skyrim?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:57:53 AM No.713308915
>>713306969
Even vanilla Skyrim had better dungeons. If I have to go through one more copypasted Imperial fort in Oblivion I'm gonna go jump out a window
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:58:06 AM No.713308924
What does it feel to have your millenial nostalgiabait getting raped and butchered by unreal slop /v/? Oh you also have to reserve 100 gb something space and $80 for that btw
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:58:11 AM No.713308934
Exploring and dungeons are better in Skyrim. I also prefer the background politics and shit of Skyrim. Everything feels disconnected in oblivion like nothing is going on and nobody knows where they are. I argued with some nigger about it but the scripted encounters and discussions in cities are better than the random jank ones in oblivion and better color the locations and the people who live their.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:59:59 AM No.713309065
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>>713308236
spbp /thread
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:00:06 AM No.713309075
>>713306538 (OP)
Of the big three Skyrim is still number 1. The remaster is in a solid second place and ESO rounds things out in a respectable third.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:00:07 AM No.713309080
>>713308915
Oblivion's caves are the worst at least forts felt like they had a little more variety
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:03:39 AM No.713309286
>>713308934
Thereโ€™s little to no worldbuilding in Oblivion. The quests could be set at any time, in any province. The game never explores the cultural, political or social aspects of the setting. Nibenay and Colovia are just names and nothing more.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:04:57 AM No.713309356
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>>713308236
>>713308346
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:05:37 AM No.713309391
>>713308915
You'd rather go through another copypasted nord ruin that's a straight line filled with draugr?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:06:23 AM No.713309431
>>713309286
> The quests could be set...
Which game is this not true of?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:06:36 AM No.713309441
>>713309356
OH NO NO NO DELET THIS NOW
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:07:02 AM No.713309468
>>713309356
So you admit that Minecraft, Fortnite, and FIFA are better games than Skyrim?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:07:14 AM No.713309482
>>713308472
Skyrim had more enemy types than Oblivion.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:08:09 AM No.713309549
>>713309391
Skyrim doesn't have a single copypasted dungeon thoughever
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:08:29 AM No.713309581
>>713309356
That has gotta sting.
Get ready for some "Sales Don't Equal Quality" cope.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:08:30 AM No.713309582
>>713309468
Yes.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:08:48 AM No.713309601
The Shivering Isles
The Shivering Isles
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Name a better piece of ES content than Shivering Isles.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:09:14 AM No.713309641
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>>713309391
>Morrowfag resorts to lying
Kek pathetic
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:09:45 AM No.713309669
>>713306969
Todd has never lied.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:10:28 AM No.713309721
>>713306538 (OP)
Sometimes I forget the average /v/irgin was probably a preteen or child when Skyrim released.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:10:42 AM No.713309735
>>713309391
Most of the Skyrim dungeons while using the same basic elements and assets have some kind of quest or individual narrative or background thing going on. It could be some necromancers trying to summon something or bandits trying to loot the tombs. You often get notes and other hand placed environmental things that help tell a story. Oblivion has none of that ever. Itโ€™s just rooms with mobs and thatโ€™s it.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:10:43 AM No.713309737
>>713309356
nobody cares what game journalists think
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:10:54 AM No.713309748
>>713309482
>draugr
>bandits/forsworn/rogue mages/whatever other generic humanoid npc enemies are littered around
>dragons
>dwemer mechs
>falmer
That encompasses 99% of everything you ever fight in Skyrim. What did I miss? Wolves? Oblivion's enemies are at least weird and cool looking like spider daedra, daedroths, and clannfears and shit
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:11:14 AM No.713309770
>>713309641
D-Delete this
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:11:54 AM No.713309812
>>713309549
That doesn't make them not boring, linear slogs>>713309735
>Oblivion has none of that ever. Itโ€™s just rooms with mobs and thatโ€™s it.
Tons of the dngeons
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:12:45 AM No.713309865
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>>713309748
>Oblivion's enemies are at least weird and cool looking
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:13:50 AM No.713309937
>>713309641
All those expansive dungeons and the only enemies you fight are draugr, machines, and the occasional Aryan elf. It depresses me.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:14:51 AM No.713310001
>>713306538 (OP)
Skyrim was better of course. all the cucks screaming to the high heavens that Oblivion was better can eat shit. They shoudve remade Morrowind instead. The blandness of of Oblvion not to mention the glorified escort final mission of the main quest kept me away for years after finishing it.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:15:17 AM No.713310029
>>713309431
Skyrim has a fairly good amount of setting based quests like the Markarth one or the Solitude one. The civil war is also setting based.
Morrowind offered native factions with the Great Houses and Temple
But itโ€™s not just the questing, itโ€™s also in the dialogues and buildings. Morrowind has a clash between imperial and dunmer culture, Skyrimโ€™s big cities all have their own gimmick related to the setting, Oblivion kinda has nothing
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:16:16 AM No.713310098
>>713308472
kys
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:17:16 AM No.713310167
>>713309937
Bandits, spiders, necromancers and their summons, wizards, skeletons, ghosts
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:18:08 AM No.713310230
after replaying oblivion for the first time since it came out I can say mw > oblivion > skyrim
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:18:54 AM No.713310276
>>713309812
Sounds like a (You) issue
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:19:33 AM No.713310308
>>713310230
This, but the opposite
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:20:18 AM No.713310350
>>713310167
Watch the retard say these don't count.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:20:27 AM No.713310357
>>713309748
>you don't spend 90% of Oblivion fighting generic humanoid npc enemies littered around
Okay anon. Next you'll say people explored the 60 Oblivion Realms and didn't either speedrun for the middle tower or outright ignored them after they realized how shit they were?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:20:30 AM No.713310360
>>713309601
Horse Armor. It singlehandedly brought us into the modern games as service scheme.
>that's not a great thing
"After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things. Terrible, yes, but great."
>>713310167
Nigga 6 varieties of humans and a skeleton. I'm not calling that a diverse enemy lineup.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:21:38 AM No.713310435
>>713310230
Morrowind is good for one playthrough to say you did it and to know the memes. Iโ€™d honestly rather play daggerfall if I want to enjoy those old style mechanics. Otherwise Skyrim is the best elder scrolls game with the best modding community.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:22:32 AM No.713310508
>>713310435
skyrim has better modding for sure but I was rating them based on the vanilla games. I enjoyed all of them though
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:22:56 AM No.713310537
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>>713306538 (OP)
>Thread about Skyrim vs Oblivion
>Morrowfags come in and spam lies to try and make their game look comparable
What kind of mental illness do these faggots have? They're almost as bad as New Vegas fags.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:23:32 AM No.713310590
>i-it doesn't count!
Knew it.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:24:58 AM No.713310675
>>713310360
>Nigga 6 varieties of humans and a skeleton

This type of reductionist argument kills every rpg ever.

Elemental summons and the chaurus creatures add even more variety and the way they fight with either magic, bows, and melee differ between your reductionist โ€œhumanโ€ category.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:25:05 AM No.713310684
>>713306538 (OP)
Perfect ES game: Morrowind writing, Oblivion environmental design and missions, Skyrim combat.
Sadly TES 6 will be Starfield but in sand. Can't wait to customize my own wagon to fast travel across dead deserts to the 6 missions in the entire game given by genderqueer minority sloths.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:26:24 AM No.713310774
>>713310675
You're correct. RPGs suck. That's why I only play train simulators and shitpost in Bethesda threads. Thanks for engaging
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:26:35 AM No.713310790
>>713310684
>Oblivion environmental design

Are you alright in the head?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:27:04 AM No.713310818
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>>713306538 (OP)
They're both terrible.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:27:54 AM No.713310865
>>713310790
Kill yourself if you think boring dark tundras are somehow better
Replies: >>713311081
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:28:17 AM No.713310889
wat
wat
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>>713310684
>Oblivion environmental design
Replies: >>713311424
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:29:35 AM No.713310974
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>>713310684
>Oblivion environmental design
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:31:03 AM No.713311081
>>713310865
Open golden plains, northern alpine forests, birch fall forests, geologic geysers, swamps, craggy highlands, frozen wastes, winter forests.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:32:33 AM No.713311171
>>713310684
>Skyrim combat
for melee sure, but magic was ass in skyrim, easily the worst in the series. and as for stealth they all have terrible broken stealth so whatever. I do appreciate that skyrim had the dagger stealth perk
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:34:07 AM No.713311262
>>713309581
Oof, there it is. The โ€œintelligence and penis size donโ€™t matter. Iโ€™m perfect just the way I amโ€ cope
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:36:01 AM No.713311390
>>713311262
>bringing up cocks out of nowhere
morrowfag moment
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:36:35 AM No.713311424
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>>713310790
>>713310889
>>713310974
Filtered.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:37:15 AM No.713311475
>>713311424
That's a mod, bro.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:37:24 AM No.713311480
>>713311424
Rain?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:55:03 AM No.713312520
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>>713311424
Concession accepted, anon
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:11:49 AM No.713313553
>>713309641
NONONONOONONONONON
MORROWIND BROS... OUR NARRATIVE?!
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:12:52 AM No.713313620
>>713312520
That's a mod, bro.
Replies: >>713313741 >>713318671
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:14:35 AM No.713313712
>>713310537
They're trannies
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:15:13 AM No.713313741
>>713313620
I can go to that spot in vanilla Skyrim and see everything from the webm 1:1. The fire, the tent, the chest, the boat, the fishing spot, the fish rack, the woodcutting block. Can I go to >>713311424's house in vanilla Oblivion and see the rain outside?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:15:44 AM No.713313779
>>713308236
And Skyrim is just an akward action game, at least Oblivion has some fun features left from Morrowind while Skyrim is for brain dead.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:15:46 AM No.713313781
>>713308236
>awkward middle ground between RPG and action adventure
and that's exactly what makes it better
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:16:41 AM No.713313860
>>713313781
Based
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:17:33 AM No.713313919
>>713313741
That's a lot of cope.
Show me a screenshot of that exact area in vanilla Skyrim, no not Special Edition, I mean vanilla Skyrim from 2011.
I await your screenshot that looks abhorrent because the game is ugly as fuck.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:17:36 AM No.713313925
>>713306538 (OP)
Skyrim has better gameplay, better equipment and loot system, better art and visual style, a much better world, and significantly better dungeons. Oblivion has better writing and better quests aside from the Daedric quests.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:17:39 AM No.713313929
I don't understand why Altmer are so fucking ugly. Their facial features are so comically exaggerated they look like they're up to no good at all times. Which they usually are, but still.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:18:13 AM No.713313967
>>713313779
>Skyrim is for brain dead
REDEEM the Oblivion saars!
Replies: >>713315151
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:20:52 AM No.713314130
>>713313929
Altmer are meant to be ugly in lore. All elves are supposed to be grotesque but they think they are hot shit and beautiful.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:21:59 AM No.713314206
>>713306538 (OP)
Always was.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:23:34 AM No.713314320
It was a pretty good game while I could still play it until I noticed it stuttering... my pc's outdated and I'm going back to consoles.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:25:04 AM No.713314419
>>713313919
https://gamemap.uesp.net/sr/?world=skyrim&layer=day&x=-181&y=-60657&zoom=8
I'll accept the concession on how vanilla Skyrim features, from that angle, 1:1 the fire, the tent, the chest, the boat, the fishing spot, the fish rack and the woodcutting block. Unless you can show me that Oblivion house with the working window to the outside, it'll remain accepted :)
Replies: >>713314583 >>713314729
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:26:08 AM No.713314484
>>713306538 (OP)
Now that you've posted can you admit you're a zoomer retard?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:26:26 AM No.713314504
Oblivion cucks will cope to this screenshot
Oblivion cucks will cope to this screenshot
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>>713308236
baste
Replies: >>713314896
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:27:40 AM No.713314583
>>713314419
>doesn't post the requested screenshot
>starts ranting about irrelevant crap I never mentioned
I accept your concession.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:28:24 AM No.713314638
>>713312520
The UE5 remaster will look better
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:28:49 AM No.713314663
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>>713306538 (OP)
Whichever game let's me do this, wins.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:29:56 AM No.713314729
>>713314419
OP brfo
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:29:58 AM No.713314735
>>713306538 (OP)
>>713306969
Vanilla Skyrim is better than Oblivion and that is coming from somebody who grew up with and loves Oblivion. It was my first elder scrolls game but it is definitely a rough game that skyrim improved upon in many ways.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:31:49 AM No.713314870
>>713308236
The games are all about sending you into caves to kill shit and Skyrim does that the best. Morrowind is hard carried by itโ€™s story though. Bethesda definitely tried their hardest making it.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:32:14 AM No.713314896
>>713314504
The elves in oblivion all walk and talk like they religiously suck dick. It somewhat suits Altmer but itโ€™s weird to see Dunmer and even Bosmer like that. The voice acting is so ass. I also hate the stupid clothing in Oblivion. There all dress like Shrek characters.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:34:03 AM No.713315013
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Morrowind is still the best, but Oblivion remastered made me enjoy it a lot more. The original Oblivion is such dog shit in so many ways, and a lot of that was due to how fucking bad the gameplay was. A lot of the changes in the remaster were for the better.
>Level scaling is less insane, ramps up in a much better fashion this time
>Level ups aren't stupid and actually gave you the stat points to get stronger without doing weird min/max shit
>Endurance was changed so you don't need to rush it
>Movement feels better, animations no longer awkwardly lock you in place
>The added sprint makes acrobatics and athletics feel even better
>Short swords scale with agility instead just to add more variety
>You get points towards the next level with all of your skills
>Magic schools level up faster by using spells that cost more magicka rather than spamming a 1 magicka spell constantly
There's probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of, but the actual game part of Oblivion was vastly improved and you can get the fuck out of my face if you somehow think the original is the better experience.

Right now it's like this:
Morrowind > Oblivion Remastered = Skyrim > > > > Oblivion
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:36:21 AM No.713315151
>>713313967
Oblivion is anti-jeet.
Replies: >>713315248
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:37:40 AM No.713315248
>>713315151
Morrowind is the jeet game. It even copies their religion and culture Saar.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:39:18 AM No.713315357
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>>713315013
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:43:36 AM No.713315643
>>713315013
OR fucked up 2h weapons though for some reason, they don't do more damage but attack much slower than in the original and some of the models are too small
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:02:27 AM No.713316785
>>713306538 (OP)
This was a known fact since Skyrim's release. Skyrim itself isn't even that good but at least the moment to moment gameplay isn't fucking awful.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:07:45 AM No.713317089
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>>713306538 (OP)
Morrowind and Oblivion's overworlds (incl dungeons) are literally worse than a random procgen planet in Starfield. Bethesda wasn't lying when they said they went "old school" with Starfield and the enduring criticism from Morrowfags and Oblivitards insisting those games are somehow better than Skyrim is probably a huge contributing reason as to why they attempted Starfield the way they did. I will continue to bang the drum that Bethesda's greatest weakness is giving too much credence to their "fan" critics who are fundamentally nostalgia-blinded autists who just cannot be trusted to evaluate these games objectively.

>hurrdurr Skyrim is the worst game in the series because
Just shut the fuck up. There are aspects to Morrowind/Oblivion that--mostly to do with faction and NPC interactions--that are arguably (I would argue) better handled in those games but in terms of overall design composition, Skyrim utterly blows Morrowind and Oblivion out of the water.

The complaints about every Skyrim dungeon being a copy-paste draugr lair particularly enrages me because you're 1) lying to impressionable normies who haven't played the previous two games and 2) just telling on yourself about your godawful taste. Clueless normies hear that and assume Morrowind/Oblivion dungeons must have been charming puzzles like OoT or something and that couldn't be further from the truth. They are filler compromised of modular rooms stapled together by one overworked dude. One of the reasons Skyrim sold a dovahkillion more copies than almost any other open world game including its predecessors is because its dungeons have honest-to-god level design and feel like meaningful content.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:23:02 AM No.713317941
>>713317089
based
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:35:00 AM No.713318534
>>713309356
How the fuck did Oblivion get a 94 metacritic? The base game is garbage
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:36:12 AM No.713318605
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>>713318534
Did you miss the sales number at top?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:37:34 AM No.713318671
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>>713313620
it's vanilla SE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6EjcESYIXk
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:40:25 AM No.713318819
>>713308828
most of the people on pc are modding it.
hell once bethesda started allowing mods for console versions of fallout 4 people modded the shit out of that THERE.
dont fucking make shit up, anon.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:40:44 AM No.713318841
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>>713317089
I can't fucking wait to explore Skyrims dungeons blind in VR. I just need to finish Shivering Isles
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:41:18 AM No.713318871
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>>713309065
>>713308236
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:42:25 AM No.713318938
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>>713318871
After finishing Morrowind recently, I now know that webm is bullshit
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:43:10 AM No.713318992
>>713318819
>most of the people on pc are modding it.
they aren't, modding is an extremely small amount of players vs those who don't mod
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:43:23 AM No.713319003
>>713309581
anon... you have no idea how many more people got into bethesda video games, and video games in general in between morrowind and skyrim.
hell, between fallout 3 and fallout 4.
the amount of people even getting into buying video games at ALL shot up MASSIVELY during that time period.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:45:08 AM No.713319094
>>713318992
What did I just say about making stuff up, anon?
>buh dese numbas I got frum da google-
the only numbers you could possibly pull up are for total player numbers across all platforms vs people who even play on pc.
No one is tracking how many people are modding.
only how many mods are being downloaded.
and its in the billions for nexus alone.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:46:47 AM No.713319176
>>713319094
>frum da google
It's from Bethesda's own internal report, most people don't mod their games on PC. They showed something like 11% of owners actually download and use mods. It was Bethesda Games Studios argument against Bethesda Softworks wanting to monetize mods.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:46:54 AM No.713319181
>>713309356
>series sells more as it becomes more mainstream
How could this happen!?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:47:36 AM No.713319216
>>713317089
Oblivions redeeming quality is just the guild quests and spell crafting. And the fighters guild quest is kind of bland while the mages guild is tedious and anticlimactic. Skyrimโ€™s are worse because they are just too short and get sidetracked immediately into bullshit unrelated to what you signed up for (except for the dark brotherhood which is consistent). The main quests arenโ€™t really that different in quality.

Where Skyrim succeeds is world building narrative, politics, local problems which make Skyrim feel like a real place rather than the empty stage set that is cyrodiil in oblivion (people still debate about the civil war like itโ€™s irl politics). Once you complete the major quests in oblivion nothing really engages you to keep playing. Skyrim is interesting enough without the quests because you are engaged in exploring the world and uncovering secrets you know are there as opposed to oblivion which really is just copy pasted.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:47:44 AM No.713319224
>>713308236
/thread
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:48:22 AM No.713319264
>>713319181
>series sells more as it becomes good
Yes.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:49:24 AM No.713319308
>>713319181
Fallout 3 sold more than New Vegas
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:49:27 AM No.713319310
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>>713319176
>bethesda's own report
the only thing they would be able to tell is who submitted a crash report and who was stupid enough to buy their paid mods, loser.
Fuck off, bethesda shill.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:51:09 AM No.713319392
>>713319310
>shill.
I never told you to buy the game retard, they're some of the most easily piratable in existence. Unless your so susceptible to any and all marketing.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:51:17 AM No.713319403
>>713319308
>12.4m vs 11.6m
you mean the game that had a massive marketing push behind it sold less than 10% better overall?
no fucking way, marketing matters?!
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:52:23 AM No.713319449
>>713319392
>doesnt argue against anything but being a shill
You are new here and don't understand the full definition of the word.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:53:03 AM No.713319478
>>713319216
The guild quests fucking suck in Oblivion though. Thief and Dark Brotherhood have like 3 decent quests between them. Mage and Fighter Guilds are literal dogshit
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:53:43 AM No.713319508
>>713306538 (OP)
the remake was woke
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:54:01 AM No.713319521
>>713319176
>>713319310
oh, they might also be able to see who downloaded steam workshop mods for the original release of skyrim on steam if they bothered to look.
so again... only a fraction of people.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:00:16 AM No.713319819
>>713319478
That was kind of my point. They are better but still half shit. I was pointing out that Skyrim gets away with being worse in this regard because the moment to moment gameplay is better and the world building and world design is better for exploration so you can completely ignore the quests and get a lot out of the game unlike oblivion where the game is held up by its quests and is too bland to continue playing once youโ€™ve run out of them.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:15:48 AM No.713320595
>>713319216
>>713319819
real shit right here.
does oblivion at least try to have guilds interact with eachother at all? its been too long and I don't remember.
But I remember morrowinds stuff where you get to interfere with the fighters guild as the thieves guild, and some sort of choice on whether you went through with it.
I wish bethesda had improved on that sort of thing over time.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:22:52 AM No.713320941
No thread has takes I so vehemently disagree with as TES threads where people claim vanilla skyrim is better than vanilla oblivion
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:36:08 AM No.713321597
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this is going to sucks, right?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:51:33 AM No.713322330
Well of course thereโ€™s a reason why you almost never heard about oblivion but skyrim is still talked about to this day as if it were a recent release
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:55:44 AM No.713322557
>>713321597
No
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:56:59 AM No.713322606
>>713321597
Probably will be starfield with swords, bigger world than ever but nothing in it, copy pasted POIs, all radiant quests, and AI dialog.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:00:50 AM No.713322797
>>713321597
Yes
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:01:14 AM No.713322826
Why the fuck are the wrist irons so rare in Oblivion? The game has 99999 dungeons and prisons yet the game only has like three sets of manacles in the whole damn game.
>One pair you get at the start and will almost certainly throw away without realising their usefulness
>One pair in the DLC evil lair... that glitches out and has a 99% chance of never spawning because bugthesda
>One pair in some dungeon in the east edge of the map that you never visit normally and will almost certainly have to look up instead of encountering them naturally
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:02:17 AM No.713322869
>>713321597
>Redguards a the predominant race
guess
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:59:02 AM No.713325452
toddest_todd
toddest_todd
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>>713319216
>>713319478
>>713320595
I specified faction interactions rather than quests because I genuinely don't think Oblivion's faction storylines are any better than Skyrim. Skyrim has some pretty entertaining story hooks, it's more so that the factions have little else outside of those story hooks that start immediately after doing a mere one or two initiation quests. They feel more like big side quests than actually participating in a guild like Oblivion and Morrowind.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:00:24 AM No.713325501
>>713306538 (OP)
Skyrim sucks
>muh radiant infinite quests
Kill yourself