>Indie game promises to have quality style gaming compare to that of triple AAA games.
>it does not.

>>713317037 (OP)
baby swamp cooler vs chad window ac

>tfw live in the desert and all we have is swamp coolers
Works great but you really need a big unit. Those little desktop ones suck. Doubly so if you live somewhere that's humid. During the summer we tend to average about 15% humidity so evaporative coolers are GREAT. Except the few times it rains. Then its just blowing 90 degree humid air into the house. Other than that, works a treat and costs WAY less than an AC since all it is is a barrel fan and dinky little water pump.

>unorthodox build that flies under the radar btfos the meta

*blocks your path*

>>713317352
>just blow the hot air into your house
t-thanks

>>713317424
Found the guy who grew up with central air. You're supposed to face the fan outwards.

>>713317121
>>713317291
Let me get this straight, the official term for these useless things is "swamp cooler"?

>caused Pulmonary edema in humid day

>>713317424
Pretty sure the fan is facing outwards. Still not much better though.

>>713317489
That's what we call them. Swamp coolers. The actual name is "evaporative coolers".

Do swamp coolers actually work? My room is hot as fuck during the summer, even with AC and a fan.

What a lot of people don't understand is that you don't just need cold air coming in, you need hot air going OUT. That's why ACs are positioned on windows or have an exhaust pipe that connects outside the house.

>>713317557
Not really.

>>713317535
Nah, they work like a charm. My room in the summer growing up was always at a cool 60 degrees with a box fan like that.

>>713317557
What's the humidity like? If its anything above 40% they will be rather useless and youre just better off getting a fan.

>summer comes around
>move pc setup to storage room in the basement
>absolutely freezing temps even during the hottest days

>>713317557
No because the only time they can do anything for you is when the air is dry and usually if you're somewhere where it's hot in the summer but cool the rest of the year you probably have high humidity. It only works in dry and hot areas. Otherwise get more portable ACs until you defeat mother nature.

>>713317547
They only work if the humidity is low

This image terrifies and infuriates Europeans

>>713317352
one of these facing inwards at night when the temp goes down a notch is heaven

>>713317557
>Even with AC
Get your shit checked/replaced. It was 96 today and my insulation is shit but my room is still an icebox with my new unit

AC is extraordinarily effective because it uses the evaporation and condensation of a coolant to move ambient heat energy from the inside to the outside (or vice versa in the case of a heat pump), resulting in far less energy consumption for the amount of cooling you get inside the building. evaporative coolers are a complete and utter dogshit scam because the heat energy is not moved out of the building, it’s just used to evaporate water (far less efficient than coolant), and that water will later re-condensate once again inside the building, releasing the heat energy. do not get scammed by meme technology and use shit that just werks

*Transforms to horizontal mode*
*activates level 3 air power*
Heh, nothing personnel, heat.

>Cost $40
>Takes over a day to make the drinks slightly cooler.
>Takes as much fucking power to run as an actual refrigerator.

WHY

>>713317890
you know what actual refrigerators use? that’s right motherfucker, air conditioning >>713317861
you simply cannot beat it

>>713317890
It's for your battlestation.

>get a tower fan for like $70
>point it at me when at computer/bed
>never turn on AC again
Electric bill went from $150+ to $30.

>>713317037 (OP)
Why does this make bongs seethe so hard

>>713317557
Nope, far from it actually. Could make the room actually warmer based on the humidity.

Check this chubby fuck's video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2horH-IeurA

Basically if the unit it does not have an actual compressor, condenser coil, evaporator coil, and refrigerant. You will NOT get AC cooling quality.

>>713317890
You got scammed nigga, those things use thermoelectric cooling which is shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnMRePtHMZY

>>713317557
They're literally a scam for retards. The only thing that can cool you down is real AC.

They have to design air conditioners to be inefficient. You’re telling me I can render a 3D VR space no problem, but water hot is a 500$ electric drain?

>>713318167
that's the joke

>>713317037 (OP)
i bought the one on the left at walmart yesterday
it's keeping me alive but i need to stay next to it
it's on my desk while i have a traditional fan blowing at my legs

>>713317291
In arid areas, yes. In humid areas, those things have a cooling range of about 12 inches.

>>713318039
>have one for years
>it start making a clicking noise randomly
>feels like its talking to me
>"what that tower fan? someone fell down the well?"

>>713318039
your computer is dying anon

>>713318146
This guy is pretty gay but I do appreciate his autism so it balances out

any 'air conditioning' unit that has the condensor coil, i.e. the hot part, still inside the house/room and isn't exhausting it outside is bullshit.

hvac tech here, you can ask me anything

>>713318540
is a heat pump worth it over just a window unit if you have a small house?

>>713317037 (OP)
>New game concepts are windows dressing for the same slop
>expensive hardware does the same thing as its cheaper counterparts

>>713318540
Whats the reccomended way of keeping a room cool when out of the house for work during the day?
>Ie. Keep it on but set the acrivation temp high, shut off until designated time, or dont bother and just turn on when you're home

>>713318660
No blades means no sound at all, right.

>>713317037 (OP)
I dunno, I have a $400 ac set to energy saver 70 degrees and im fucking freezing

>>713318540
What do you think about portable ac units that are dual hose? I know single hose ones are inefficient but are dual hose anymore reliable?

European here, I long for AC. I want it, I need it. People who have it are not appreciative of it and don't deserve it over ME.

Why is it that burgers have to choose between central air (mucho bux), those shitty window units, or some garbage 100-year old tech like fans/swamp coolers? Where are the split AC units?

>britbong
>houses aren't made with cooling in mind, only insulation
>can't install a window unit because of retarded windows, not to mention they take too much space for the average brit room
It sucks

>>713317037 (OP)
They're advertising freakin AC units on 4chins now?

>>713318934
>>713317780

Holy shit, I'm just now learning that most homes in Europe don't.

WHY IS THAT??

>>713318780
Push comes to shove you can make due with those but you want to put it somewhere where that exaust pipe is as short as possible. You really should go for a window unit but if that is absolutely not a option then yeah those are okay. Just that exaust pipe is trying to get all the heat it gathered outside. If it runs all the way across the floor its just dumping most of the heat back into the room. So the less of that exaust pipe there is in the room the better. A window unit would be best but I get that isn't always an option. If it's a landlord thing keeping you from getting one open a dialog with them. Maybe you can talk them into letting you install one or maybe have them drill holes for the mounts or something.

>>713318952
Because its a HUGE country with a huge range of environments. There isn't one end all be all best solution for a landmass that takes up a quarter of the planet.

>>713318612
all ductless units sold(at least in the US) are heat pumps, so it's pretty standard now. for a window unit heat pump they're fine, but PTAC(packaged thermal air conditioners) units are better but require installation through the wall
>>713318703
depends on the efficiency of your unit, there's programmable thermostats where you can set a schedule, theyre fidgety to figure out. if your house cools quickly, just turn it on when youre home, otherwise leave it running at a higher temperature during the day then lower it when you get home
>>713318780
no, these are bad. theyre taking outdoor air, which is hot, and circulating it into the room, that youre trying to cool down, only to exhaust it again outside. im surprised theyre allowed to sell these

>>713318780
Not him, but I had a single hose and now a double, and both work, but the single hose did cause the negative vacuum thing to happen (sucking air in through cracks).

My current is Model # ARC-14S and cools my single bedroom apartment

>>713317037 (OP)
Who the fuck would fall for this shit?
Where would the heat go?
You can't just make the energy disappear.

>>713319083
That's just West, because of muh architectural value.
Here in East yuropooria, we don't give a fuck about the decorative value of ancient rubble, so we install split AC if we need it.

>>713319083
Meant to say, Why do most Europe homes NOT have AC units? How do people over there stay cool? Just with fans? Is the Sun not that bad over there? This is wild news to me.

>>713319083
european homes tend to have more brick and concrete, and are better at keeping homes insulated from the heat. homes in america were built more quickly with wood and less insulating material, and heat up quicker on average

>>713319154
But that's the thing, split AC is way rarer than either central air, or window units, despite being better than window units.

>>713319083
It just doesn’t get hot enough to warrant it very often there. But nowadays with heat pumps as good as they are, (which are basically just AC units going in reverse), maybe more EU homes will be built with heat pump/AC setups

>>713317037 (OP)
>Live in Arizona my whole life
>Never had A/C
>Just crack open windows and have a box fan going if it starts getting stuffy
Maybe I'm just built different.

>>713317557
They only work in areas with mild summers with an occasional heatwave. When it gets so hot it's hard to sleep they are worthless.

>>713317890
Just buy a real mini fridge you dumbass, it even holds more stuff inside

>>713318952
>100-year old tech like fans/swamp coolers?
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I kid though. I live where evaporation coolers is a great option. They are way cheaper too buy, maintain, and run then refrigerated air. Like its legit all you need for 99% of the hot season. The only time they suck is when it rains but its usually cooler when the happens so ya just suck it up for the day. Past that though they work a treat here. We often have 100 degree days in the summer. I dont track the indoor tempature exactly but its usually around 73-75. I know I start feeling warm around 76ish. The evaporation cooler can do that no sweat. Draw in 100 degree air and cool it down 35ish degrees within about 6 inches of evaporation medium and blow it through the house. Works great and is super cheap on the electricity side and the units are so simple that anyone can maintain them no specialists needed. The only time you'd need an expert is to install one. Past that? ezpz

>>713319083
Why do you think they're called yuro-POORS? Look at how they're already coping with "muh building materials!!"

>>713318321
That thing is actively making it worse. Stop using it and get a proper tower fan.
Or better yet get one of those massive metal floor fans.

Stop cheapening out on comfort.

>>713317037 (OP)
AAA games don't have any quality to begin with, nonsense post

Are bladeless fans just a meme or what?

>>713318660
These are a scam. They're just a normal fan except the blades are in the base.

>>713317890
That's stupid shit for streamers/gamers.

Buy a real mini fridge.

>>713319192
It goes into evaporating the water. Latent heat, bro. It takes a lot of energy to convert a liquid to a gas.

>>713319756
Doesn't really qualify as a "scam", it still blows air like a regular fan, and it doesn't have blades you can stick your finger in or an ugly cage. It's gimmicky, not a scam.

>>713319828
Yes, and where does that heat go?

>>713319848
That small CPU-cooler tier fan in the base tends to get ultra-caked in dust and grime extremely quickly.

>>713319083
Look at a world map, dumbass. The southern tip of Spain is on the same latitude as Virginia or whatever. They don't need central AC because they still have more seasons than just summer all year like the southern half of the US.

>>713318146
>all the epcot references
My nigga

>>713319902
Ok so it's bad long term value, but it's still not getting a brick in a GPU box that you spent $1,000 on.

>>713320015
Fair, it's just a gimmicky faux-high-tech pseudo-decorative appliance.

>>713319902
Those Dyson fans work fine, they're just generally not worth full price. Now the "heater" version of it could probably be called a scam.

>>713319850
Into kicking molecules out of a liquid state into a gas.

>>713318952
Window units work great. They're very efficient with the hot part hanging outside the house.

>>713320265
Okay, you're not understanding this issue.
Let me ask another question.
If you leave the door on your freezer and refrigerator open, does the overall temperature of your room decrease, increase or stay the same?

>>713317730
Yes but these days they are useless. When you live in area that 100f+ that thing will barely do anything.

>>713319828
it evaporates the water into vapor, which then simply re-condensates and re-releases its latent heat energy back inside the building. The only way it would work is with a fan blowing the moist air out of the building, but at that point why not just use an AC unit which will cool the building far more efficiently?

>>713320324
Oh, well you'll get the energy back once you condense the now-gaseous stuff back into a liquid. It's not going anywhere overall but you'll have nice cool moist air.

>>713319756
ThatsTheJoke.png

>>713320530
Well swamp coolers make positive pressure and does push the air outside. And its way cheaper to run than an AC since it's jist powering a fan and a little pump. There's always more dry air outside to kick a bunch of water into, cool things off, then push it back outside.

>>713320324
I'm not the Anon your talking with but from my little understanding...the compressor inside the fridge will over work itself, making more heat than cold now.

>>713320661
>And its way cheaper to run than an AC since it's jist powering a fan and a little pump
What exactly do you think an AC unit is?

>>713317557
>even with AC and a fan.
If it's central AC then maybe you have an airflow imbalance. Airflow is balanced by properly sizing of the ducts and fiddling with dampers. If you feel almost no air coming out of the vent, then a damper could have been completely closed or a section of flexible duct collapsed on itself.

Other than that it could be bad insulation in the attic and exterior walls. Or your room is facing the setting sun, which can be partially fixed by putting foil or radiant barrier with blackout curtains over your window. I had to do this for my home cinema room since it faces the setting sun and it gave me control over lighting for my kinos.

>>713320732
Two fans and a big pump?

>>713319165
>no, these are bad. theyre taking outdoor air, which is hot, and circulating it into the room, that youre trying to cool down, only to exhaust it again outside. im surprised theyre allowed to sell these
>canned response
the travel of the hose is minimal, and the blowers move a lot of air. My desktops and the radiator on my fridge produces more heat. Hoses can also be insulated.

>>713319083
Europe is mostly on a higher latitude. Some countries consider 70 F a heat wave and have people dying from heat stroke over there. I have my AC at 75 here in Texas and it gets 110+ F.

>>713317656
My place is ALWAYS 30 all summer, how I envy you.

>>713318146
If this faggot just got to the point his videos would be like 5mins long

>>713320679
I think in practice that's probably the correct answer.
I was proposing a theoretical situation and didn't say anything about that, so the correct answer is stay the same.
Refrigerators and freezers take the energy from the container and put it outside, which in this case is the room in the process cooling the contents.
The net effect of opening the door means that no energy is leaving the room, and therefore is overall not getting any cooler nor hotter.
But yes Anon, you are probably correct in practice.

>>713320732
An air compressor and fans. Air compressors take A LOT of energy to run. A fan doesn't.

>>713320975
Yeah but when he does just get to the point without addressing some of the nuances then people go "WELL ACTUALLY YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE [fringe case]"

>>713317037 (OP)
Just put a bowl of ice in front of a fan and you essentially get the same effect from either of those.

>>713321001
>air compressor
Sorry. Just compressor. Air compressors imply shop tools and whatnot. Refrigerant compressor if we want to be super specific.

One trick is point the AC vents straight up so the cold air goes to the ceiling and falls back down. There is a bubble of hot air up there constantly fighting your AC normally.

>>713321104
They don't teach you kids thermodynamics anymore. This doesn't work, and even if it did you are taxing your fridge by constantly making ice to create a small cold spot by your fan.

>>713319165
>otherwise leave it running at a higher temperature during the day then lower it when you get home
This can damage some AC units. Cooling down air is easier than cooling down solid objects. When you let your house stay warmer during the day everything solid warms up. When you get back home and lower the temp, the AC now has to cool down the air AND the house. This can make the AC to run much longer than expected and cause damage IE longer runtimes increases the chances of the evaporator coil icing over.

>>713320901
110 degrees?
Is he boiling? Honhonhon.

>>713320324
>>713320679
>>713320996

Simpsons taught us this decades ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyU_sZufC8

>>713321258
Nigger, buy a fucking ice bag for a dollar.