>We all had her, but he married her

Why are young men expected to look up to this guy?

>>713327634 (OP)
>Why are young men expected to look up to this guy?
who said this

>>713327634 (OP)
John isn't, by any means, a positive character or a role model. Characters lived in borderline distress, material and spiritual.

>>713327634 (OP)
Throughout the entire game John Marston was a dumbass who constantly made the worst decisions and got fooled and manipulated by people frequently.
He's pretty much a retarded cuck, yes.

>>713327634 (OP)
We don't know if this was said just to be mean to Marston and not because it is true. We kinda know that Arthur had something with Abigail but not to what extent

I like John because RDR1 is a better game than bloated friend simulator RDR2. I like the feeling of a lone cowboy adventure in Mexico. It's a real classic spaghetti western.

>>713327857
To be fair, he fit in really well the rest of the cast. Particularly the side stories, where apparently every single person is competing to be the dumbest motherfucker in the West.

Honestly though, the entire, "The Old West is shit and everything goes to shit, and everyone's life ends up miserable," really soured me on RDR by the end. It's like Rockstar saw Unforgiven and decided the dial had to be turned to 11 and any sense of nuance and subtlety had to be thrown out the window. Come to think of it, they pretty much did the same thing with Max Payne 3 and copying Tony Scott's Man on Fire style.

>>713327634 (OP)
no, if you played the game the whole narrative was centred around the fact that he was irredeemable

his wife is insufferable

being a cuck is a 2000 thing

>>713327634 (OP)
he is the father that stepped up

>NAOW John, go in dat dere town and pick up some packages i had ordered - not in yours or my fake names, but in your real name
>you're mad about what happened? well the package was a gift for you, so checkmate - i win the argument, and so its all your fault
>im gonna run off with your boy and only getting in massive debt, destroying your body to build a home for me will bring me back
>you are going to do what! bounty hunt?! no way. i dont care if we cant pay for this house
worst fucking side character

Two gay cowboys eating pudding

>>713328168
>give him the perfect family man rancher ending in RDR2 even though he's a dead man walking to anyone who has any knowledge of 1
kinda ballsy, kinda retarded

>>713327634 (OP)
isnt literary the point of the game the fact that he fucked up beyond redemption and has to do dangerous jobs to keep his family safe and stay alive another day?

You eat babies!

>>713327786
>game is made for young men
>character is the protagonist of game
pretty simple logic honestly

>>713331164
that's actually you projecting your own daddy issues you insufferable faggot

>>713327992
You're spot on anon
RDR2 felt like a tedious slog through treacle
RDR1 was a fun cowboy game

>>713331125
Kek
Quality expansion

>>713331164
I fail to see the "looking up to" part

>>713331543
>>713331897
what's the point of having heroic protagonists if you aren't meant to look up to them to some degree? why not have every main character in fiction be a rapist cannibal serial killer?

>>713332425
why the fuck do you need to feel the need to look up to a protagonist? that's the real question

>>713331125
BERRIES and mushrooms you fool!

>>713332425
Only a moron think in extremes.

>>713332632
you're taking this the wrong way. you think I'm saying that you need to idolize characters and use them as father figures or something. all I'm saying is fiction only exists as a meaningful art form if it conveys something about the human condition. so what purpose do fictional characters serve if not to remind us of important life lessons?

>>713332793
to be a fictional character?
fiction doesn't have to be le heckin wholesome life lessons, it can also be shitty people doing shitty things, and facing the consequences of their shitty actions, like blood meridian
maybe marvel is more your speed

>>713332882
>and facing the consequences of their shitty actions
why?

>>713332425
>>713331164
ameribrain

>>713332928
Because that happens in real life which is often what fiction is based on. Especially Blood Meridian which RDR is borrowing from heavily, like the anon earlier has mentioned

>>713332928
well they don't necessarily have to, but it makes for a better narrative in my opinion
maybe instead of consuming vidya narratives you should read books (or watch kinos) and maybe start writing yourself

>>713333021
>but it makes for a better narrative in my opinion
I agree, but I've already explained why I think so. but you seem to disagree with my reasoning.

>>713332425
You're unironically retarded

>>713332425
>having heroic protagonists
john is anything but heroic, he is just a retard who was a bit smarter than his old gang and very good at shooting

>>713327634 (OP)
Can you blame him?

>>713335878
yes

is this game as tedious as the second one?