Any good ones released recently? Last one I know of was was Animal Well and that is over a year ago

Hollow.
Knight.
We don't need anything else now that It's a thing, well except Silksong.

>>713330584
he said metroidbrainias not SotNblandias

metroidgaynias

>>713330462 (OP)
What exactly is a Metroidbrainia? How is it any different from a Metroidvania?

>>713332778
it's 90% puzzles and platforming instead of 90% combat and grinding compared to metroidvanias.

>>713332778
IMHO, it's an emphasis on exploration, puzzles, and lots of note-taking (e.g., Animal Well), as opposed to a plethora of boss fights and intricate combat mechanics (e.g., Hollow Knight). Most games in either category will do a little of all of the above, of course.

>Metroidbrainia
Wait that's actually a thing?
I thought OP was memeing.
What are some good ones?

Barbuta is peak.

>>713333770
I'm pretty sure OP is just inventing some bullshit term

Environmental Station Alpha is kind of like that in the post game

>>713333905
OP didn't invent the term, but Metroidbrainia was coined fairly recently, I think around Animal Well's release (but don't quote me on that)

knowledge gating instead of ability/item gating

>>713333996
I think outer wilds was when I saw people start using it

Void Stranger

>>713333847
Tunic

Void Stranger is the only one of the recent "le indie puzzle games" I've actually enjoyed.

>>713333996
some retard on xitter tried to make it a thing, and I guess OP fell for it (since OP is always a fag)

>>713330462 (OP)
blue prince was alright but the rng shit really does ruin the experience
seconding the void stranger recommendations, i think it's the only game that reaches the heights of outer wilds

>>713332778
The key trait of a metroidbrania is knowledge-based progression, that is once you know something, it can be used at any point it's relevant.

___Fez

Ender Magnolia.

>>713330462 (OP)
I love animal well. It's like halo 2 meets halo 3.

>>713330462 (OP)
Rain world
Environmental Station alpha

>>713336001
based.

Anyone who uses the term “metroidbrania” unironically needs to be taken out back and shot.

Good puzzles are really hard to design.
Most puzzles are binary and filter people hard. Gameplay gives you various options and is flexible, puzzles you either solve or don't and get stuck.
If you make puzzles relying on intelligence - then they will be impossible for brainlets and too simple/boring for smart people.
If you make them rely on scavenging-exploring for clues/"keys" then they bore everyone with no patience or low attention span = and that's majority of youth.
And the final nail - we live in the age of online guides and wikis, so everyone stuck or just losing patience would just look up a solution online ruining the game for themselves and would tend to do it more if they resorted to it just once, because its in human nature to chose the path of least resistance and no one wants to waste time being stuck on a puzzle.

>asks for metroidbrainias released since animal well
>100% of recs of the thread are metroidbrainias released before animal well or not metroidbrainias
Good job retards!

>>713336776
For most games puzzles are trite affairs. They’re these short moments of slight resistance to foster this illusion of adventure even though they’re the kind of puzzle a toddler solves with wooden blocks. The same way le epic combat is just pushing buttons with timing so forgiving a geriatric can solve. It’s all perception, presentation, like a theme park ride. I am le epic adventurer.

>>713336205
>le indie puzzle games
stop talking like a faggot
what does that even mean what you've put in quotations
what are you implying
"LE INDIE PUZZLE GAME"
what is so hard about
>Void Stranger is a recent indie puzzle game I've enjoyed
why must you all couch everything in some sort of exasperating catty speak
fucking hell this website is shit

>>713336091
Seconding, I fucking loved it. Hell, Lifeformed even did the music for it.

>>713337186
this post is the only one of the recent "le heckin reddit meltdowns" I've actually enjoyed.

>>713334068
I feel like normies are so used to games that demand nothing from them and treat them like infants that when confronted with something that respects their intelligence they feel compelled to make up a term for it. (An extremely idiotic vomit-inducing term, why the FUCK is rain world and The Witness lumped together. May as well throw Picross and Halo 2 in there)

How's Infernax? I hear it's pretty short but with different endings

Lies of P Overture is the best Metroidvania this year

>>713337362
you are a nigger

>>713333996
It predates animal well by a bit. Fairly sure it got coined by youtubers in the wake of Outer Wilds

>>713337362
>2016
>recent

>>713337463
Woops, you mean metroiBRAINia, as it’s a metroidvania that asks you to use your BRAIN, as opposed to the ones that… DONT.

>>713337638
I get you're shitposting, but the actual distinction is that progression is based on knowledge rather than unlocking items or abilities

>>713337186
You know what I'm talking about, you homo. The artsy fartsy shit trying to be clever.

Some recent indie puzzle games that aren't "le indie puzzle game" are shit like Baba is You and Zachtronics stuff, neither of which I particularly enjoy, but they're straight forward in presentation. I guess I could've said "meta" instead, but given you're a braindead undertale fan I think I made the right fucking choice in pissing you off. Hope you choke to death on that cock in your throat.

>>713337471
and my dick is bigger

>>713330584
>hollow
as the gameplay
>knight
as is good-night, because this game is boring AF

>>713337613
retard

Dungeon and Puzzles is an excellent sokoban-like

>>713333770
It's just some meme term that people occasionally use for games with metroidvania-esque gameplay that focus on the acquisition of knowledge as progression tools.
Outer Wilds is probably the perfect example, there's no actual movement upgrades or new tools you can get and technically every single location in the game is immediately accessible, you just don't know how to yet.

>>713337406
The ridiculously jank yet super punishing platforming makes it obnoxious to play.

Not a metroidvania, neither are 90% of the games mentioned in this thread, but if you like sokoban puzzle stuff with tons of layers of fuck around and find out shenanigans you should check out Bunburrows.
Just ignore the handful of lines of tumblr-bullshit dialogue every couple hours, the game is fucking amazing and goes way way way deeper than you'd ever assume.

>>713338953
Is this a Baba sequel

>>713339316
It's Baba's Sausage Roll

>>713339435
>>713339316
I 100%'d Baba blind and I got hard filtered by the Bunny endgame.
Getting all the babies is just impossible. There's too many and they get far too convoluted. All the main bunnies were doable even if some of them were fucking brutal and probably harder than anything in Baba, but the babies are a different thing altogether.

You did play the La-Mulana games, right?

>>713339704
Those still rely heavily on actual found upgrades so I don't know if I'd count them for this despite the puzzle focus.
I found Toki Tori 2 in my steam library recently, probably from an old humble bundle i guess, and that definitely fits the bill. Can technically do anything and go anywhere right from the start, only stopped by you just not knowing how certain mechanics work yet.

>>713336280
So is Tunic a metroidbrania given that a major world interaction mechanic is just standing still and holding the A button for several seconds which you can always use but don't get told about for several hours?

>>713337406
>>713338678
It's basically fine until the second-last dungeon which is absolute fucking cancer and it introduces a retarded new mobility skill that makes the rest of the game suck too.
It's got lots of different characters to play as though, almost romhack-tier in that regard.

>>713337785
So if I take away the manual, super mario bros is a metroidbrania?

>>713330462 (OP)
my favorite genre

>>713341916
Super Mario Bros is a metroidbrania because knowledge of the game lets you skip levels, yes.

>>713338953
hmmmmm nyo

>>713341967
Woaahhhahahaahahah…….. Super Metroid is a metroidbrania because of the wall jump… SOMEONE TELL REDDIT!

>>713342185
That's far from the worst, some of the dialogue is outright offensive.
Still, there's only like 5 textboxes every couple hours so who gives a shit when the gameplay is great.

I like Portal. It’s like an FPS, but you THINK! So I’ve taken the liberty of naming it a FIRST PERSON THINKER (FPT). Twitter is gonna love this.

I think my favorite metroidbrania is Stephen’s sausage roll… except it’s a sokoban game, so let’s call it a sokoBRAIN because you use your BRAIN.

>>713337395
The whole thing about Metroidbrainias is that instead of progressing through your character unlocking abilities, you progress by learning new knowledge. The natural consequence of this is that if you start a completely new save file after beating the game once, you could take a lot of shortcuts or maybe even skip right to the end of the game, because the "keys" needed to get there are still in your head.
Outer Wilds, which you can just turn on and beat in 15 minutes right now, is a good example. Same with The Witness, where you don't need to find whatever simple puzzles teach you mechanics since you already understand them. I'm assuming Rain World works in a similar way.

>>713330462 (OP)
Pampas & Selene
Also UnEpic if you haven't played it 10 years ago

>>713342724
Rain world does NOT and is part of my massive contempt for this terminology.

>>713342710
>>713342413
samefag retard cannot grasp that language is evolving and new terms and phrases emerge
>>713342762
Pampas & Selene is probably one of the worst games I have played in the last couple of years. Worst bosses out of any game, lots of backtracking, literally no fun in any section of the game. Also its a metroidvania, not brania.

>>713342724
> The natural consequence of this is that if you start a completely new save file after beating the game once, you could take a lot of shortcuts or maybe even skip right to the end of the game
So sudoku is a metroidbrania?

>>713342845
> samefag retard cannot grasp that language is evolving and new terms and phrases emerge
I understand that language evolves, my problem is that this term is fucking retarded and an indictment of everyone’s niggerbrain tiktok understanding of English

>>713342894
Knowing the solution to a puzzle beforehand isn't a metroidbrania, you pedantic cretin. If you were solving 100 sudokus and halfway through one of the puzzles teaches you a new mechanic that you could have been using all along, that would make it a metroidbrania.

>>713343018
So half of sokoban games are metroidbranias, got it.

>>713340234
No, because anyone who isn't legitimately retarded worked that out before they got the shield.

>>713330462 (OP)
The correct term is Mariortem or Metroiram. Continuing to staple Castlevania to the phrase is dumb.
>>713332778
Knowledge based gating. You already have the tools to pass a gate, but you might not know how to apply them until you are given a direct example.
It's similar to a Kojimavania, where progress is gated behind knowledge or meta-actions outside of the game itself, such as putting the console on a hotplate, unseating the cartridge, checking the box or plugging your controller into a different port, actions you could have taken at any time simply by virtue of being a human being in an unsimulated environment, rather than actions corresponding to more conventional input, like pressing a button. Of course Kojimavanias are basically non-existent now because you're not living in an unsimulated environment anymore because you can't always fuck with game boxes or consoles anymore.
>>713336776
The presence of guides means that you need to hide the presence of signal, the player shouldn't even have the notion of being able to progress until it is made clear to them. The average player is just going to assume they are missing an item otherwise.

>>713343018
So Beton Brutal is a metroidbrania.

>>713340018
> Those still rely heavily on actual found upgrades so I don't know if I'd count them for this despite the puzzle focus
So does animal well and tunic! OH NO!

>>713344349
Everything is a metroidbrania

>>713330584
it is not like we can play hollow knight unlimited times

okay so
recommend something for me
i like highbudget caslevania-likes or with roguelike element

hollow knight 9/10
ender lilly 7/10
ender magnolia 7/10
blasphemous 1 7/10
blasphemous 2 5/10
nine sols 8/10
skul hero slayer 8/10
dead cells 9/10
nds castlevanias 9/10
afterimage 5/10
what else should i play.

>>713344661
Not really the thread for it, but if you liked Path of Pain, make sure to check out Aeterna Noctis. 40+ hours of ball-busting platforming.

>>713344661
Yokus island express

>>713330462 (OP)
https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=38068
https://soulware.itch.io/broken-keyboard-hero
https://william-rous.itch.io/type-help

don't sleep on these, too lazy to do full write-ups but they're amazing

I thought axiom verge was really fun. AV 2 is also good but I prefer ranged weapons over parry slop

>>713346359
but it looks bad

>>713344373
Yeah I wouldn't really put them under that label either. You can sequence break a bit with knowledge from a previous run, but you still eventually get walled by am actual upgrade so get or later.
I don't count using glitches to sequence break for the record.

>>713346447
really? you mean quality wise or you just don't like the look of it? cause I thought the feel and look of the game was very professional

>>713344661
Vigil, Death's Gambit, Grime, Last Faith

Dark Souls is a metroidbrania since you can beat it easily if you know all the bosses' attack patterns

>>713344661
>hollow knight 9/10
It's pointless recommending you anything because you are a brain dead ape.

Is cultist simulator meteroidbrainia?

>>713346598
Are you mad that it's not 10/10 or do you believe it should be lower?

Wonder what is taking team cherry so long

>>713346518
no i mean visuals, every time i watch some metroidvanias videos, i see this and this looks ugly.

>>713330462 (OP)
Chants of Sennaar
>>713333996
Let's call it OYKYK once you know you know

>>713346968
eh, I like the way it looks more than most of the other metroidvanias

>>713347024
I'm sorry anon, but it has to be asked: Is it woke?
It has the vibe of a game where you decypher old writings about how the ancient people lived in harmony under a matriarchy and were wiped out by evil colonizers

>>713346884
It's objectively a 2/10.

>>713347024
this was a lot of fun, but i was surprised how simple it ended up being
like, no secrets after you find all the keywords, at all?
>>713347136
it's just a good ol' 'bring everyone together' plotline.

>>713346968

>>713347136
There are no fags in it, except maybe for the guy who an heros

>>713344661
I'd recommend Aquaria, The Messenger, Dust: An Elysian Tail, FEZ and both Ori games,

>>713347557
I adore The Messenger but I always think it's a bit silly to bill it as a Metroidvania. It's a straight platforming action game for the first half and then a platforming action game where you revisit levels for the second half

>>713347024
the final chapter of Chants of Sennaar ruined the game for me, it was the other way around with Heaven's Vault as it got better and better the longer I played and even replayed.

Metroidvania is such a bad and casual genre. You could just play hollow knight, ori, and la mulana then never play anything in the genre again and miss nothing. It is the absolute worst and most casual genre of platformers. Even collectathons have more meat to them.

>>713347956
How's your quest to suck a 100 dicks going?

>>713348096
Already finished.

>>713347745
It was weak but not game ruining, it's the shortest one

>>713337186
The biggest leakage of 2016

>>713330462 (OP)
Elder lillies and magnolia are fun, much better than hollow knight

>>713344661
Environmental Station Alpha.
You'll love it.

>>713346318
I feel so bad for its creator that this is getting ZERO attention because it's a super mario world romhack and there's zero overlap between mario autists and metroidbrainia autists. I feel so bad when I see absolute gems like this being completely unknown.

It's a huge love letter to all the best games in the genre and it does so many cool design things that impressed and delighted me but... you know, spoilers.

The best way I can shill it without revealing anything is it mixes many design things from la mulana, outer wilds, riven, tunic, mixed with so many clever ideas of its own, I ended up with almost as many screenshots, weird collages and pages of schizo scribblings as la mulana.

That he managed to do something this deep on the super mario engine is insane. There's so much effort, thought and soul put into this project.

Please trust me if you're a la mulana autist, play it, without a guide, to the true end, it's a wild ride.

>>713330462 (OP)
This is old by I feel like this game never got recognition it deserves.

>>713349357
Found this in my stream library randomly a few weeks ago. Cute little game. Only a few hours in but some of the puzzles are clever and I liked going beach to the start and realizing I could have climbed that left cliff right at the start of I knew how to.

>>713348919
Yeah, seems like a very bizarre choice. I have zero interest in mario romhack shit, I wonder what kind of autism you need to think a puzzle game in a tedious execution based platformer is a good idea.

moar

>>713347956
Super Metroid is the only good Metroidvania. Why is castlevania even lumped in anyway. At that point Zelda is a metroidvania, if we’re gonna argue 3D games can be metroidvania.
Say it with me. MOM.
METROID ONLY MATTERS.

>>713348551
how can they be better. Ender lilly has only like, 10 bosses, and like only 2 first was hard. Lilly has like, good soundtrack, and good controls. Ender magnolia has even nicer controls, but worse soundtrack, and not much bosses too.

magnolia was okay but i mean this games are not better than Hollow Knight.