Why did Titanfall 2 fail?

Launched at the worst possible time for a start

it released in the week between bf1 and whatever the call of duty was

High skill movement kills the multiplayer, it filters the lower end hard, which suffocates the playerbase until only the high end exists, which isn't sustainable.
Same reason why we don't get arena shooters anymore.

We live in a cursed world ruled by the devil.

>>713334324 (OP)
it failed? by spawning a billion dollar Apex Legends? then what did Concord do in comparison? you dumb fucking cocksleeve niggers will just say whatever comes to mind and claim it's reality while it's just your headcanon. Fucking rope yourself zoomer

>coperope with zero bunnys afterwards

>>713334390
I love how morons blame "skill-ceiling" for a game's failure and not it's own failure for doing market research and contemporary trends but hey welfare queens like yourself thinks the world doesn't run on money.

>>713334478
Elaborate on these comparisons, and why is apex legends brought up? despite being in the titanfall universe, its not a titanfall game.

>>713334551
Not a single successful pvp game has a high skill ceiling, they all suffocated one way or another back in the day.

it's a reddit-core game

>>713334324 (OP)
because it's literally just CoD with a "mech" skin and the "mechs" are really just bigger soldiers

>>713334324 (OP)
it is inferior to titanfall 1
while tf1 is an hidden multiplayer gem, tf2 only focus on campaign and his multiplayer is no different from the call of duty that released in the same period and that was also bad

>>713334324 (OP)
Initially it launched between CoD and BF which killed the start but the revival attempt faileds because newcomers don't see any value in playing for more than thousand hours just to compete with the virgin playerbase left playing this DOA game which has huge balancing issues like slide hopping, hitscans, fast TTK, and titans killing the pace.

TF2 fags will endlessly cope about their game for years to come but I said it before: Apex fixed most of its issues. Shame it was a BR game with a soft reboot skin which makes everything look gay and one shy step away from becoming Borderlands.

>>713335042
>durr titans killed the pace
Titans were the best part of the game

>>713334324 (OP)
becase gun looks dumb

multiplayer game that cost $70 on launch
>b-but theres single player campaig-
nobody gives a rat ass about a campaign in a multiplayer game

>>713335128
Glorified killstreaks, somehow more cancerous than killstreaks so good job to Respawn for out-cancering CoD in its own field. Even CoD is nerfing the shit out of killstreaks in its recent titles so get the hint already.

>>713334324 (OP)
I want to buy it but
>Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: EA on-line activation and Origin client software installation and background use required
>Requires 3rd-Party Account: EA Account (Supports Linking to Steam Account)
EA doesn't want my money.

>>713334324 (OP)
It didnt fail as much as it just wasn't selling enough to satisfy publishers greed - they wanted it to be new CoD or BF. Release timing was bad

>>713334390
This'd be true if mastering the movement was necessary to perform well, but it isn't. You can contribute to the team by grunt farming or playing like a camping fag with the DMR/Spitfire. The low TTK means that despite flying across the map at 80km/h and nailing fuckers with the Kraber, I can still die in 0.3s if a retard who just picked up the game lands a CAR spray on me. This doesn't mean experienced players don't perform well most of the time, but it's unfair to compare the pro-to-newbie skill gap of TF|2, which just consists of a disparity in movement and aiming, to that of arena shooters, where on top of advanced movement and good aim, pros have to understand how to control the map and usually have all the spawns, item pickups and routes memorized.

>>713335414
>You can contribute to the team by grunt farming or playing like a camping fag with the DMR/Spitfire.
But is that fun enough in the long run?
Are new players able to learn the game or get better when one guy on the other team can swooce by and delete you?

>>713334324 (OP)
1 was better

>>713335414
the kraberfag fears the minion farming chad

>>713335197
>Glorified killstreaks
Yes
>somehow more cancerous
So you got filtered like the whiney faggot you are
>le modern cod
Yep, you're a shitter

>>713334324 (OP)
>"LOOK HOW FAST I CAN SLIDE ON MY ASS": THE GAME
why wouldn't it fail? what's the point?

>>713335573
but enough about tribes

Apex is the same thing but actually popular so this thread makes no sense

>>713334568
apex legends would not exist without titanfall's 2 success. Because titanfall 2 did not fail.
Concord was, in comparison, an actual real definition of a failure. It was nothing but a money sink. It accomplished nothing. It didn't spawn a copycat successor. It didn't earn any money. It was a laughingstock of the world. It was a failure. Titanfall 2 was not a failure.

>>713335556
Whatever cope you came up with will never make Titanfall 2 a good game let alone a popular one.

>>713334324 (OP)
It's boring. The only fun FPS game is TF2.

>>713335662
Apex legends stripped away everything that made titanfall good. no more titans, no more wall running.
When it launched it did everything PUBG did but much better, you can compare it to other BRs, but not to titanfall.

Concord is completely irrelevant, the magnitude of concords failure is in no way comparable to titanfall's fall into obscurity.

>>713335789
>everything that made titanfall good
Unplayable*

>>713335818
outed yourself for being bad at games, sucks to suck

>>713335789
>Apex legends stripped away everything that made titanfall good.
so we're in agreement that Titanfall 2 was good, and not a failure. /thread

>>713334324 (OP)
I think because it released right in between CoD and Battlefield.

>>713335882
Titanfall 2 was good and was a failure, they are not mutually exclusive.
Lots of good games fail.

>>713335874
There's more skill expression in Apex than Titan-press V for win-fall 2 but what the hell do you know what about that.

>>713334324 (OP)
Wasn't it because an hacker has almost total control of the servers (people even thought it was an ex-dev)

>>713336061
>apex legends
>skill
pick one.
just pick up a controller and suddenly you have an aimbot.

>>713334324 (OP)
unironically too difficult for normalfags

>>713336113
https://youtu.be/sxeGCSEJvvE

>>713334324 (OP)
EA the publisher of TF2 decided to release it at the same time as their other big FPS. Sent it out to die because retarded.

wall sliding is lame.
Should have been tribes with mechs, maybe on smaller maps.

>>713336113
TF2 controller aim assist was so strong they had to ban controllers on PC tournaments.

>>713336214
???
those were the most mediocre shots i've ever seen.
none of those players even moved.

>>713336390
What's your response now
https://youtu.be/16fOdbqJKrY

>>713335479
>But is that fun enough in the long run?
No, but if you're just looking to win, then it's a cheap way to do so (see >>713335548). Spitfire, DMR, CAR, A-wall, cooking frags, all these are optional crutches that allow newbies to keep up with more experienced players, even if they (usually) have counters. If you want to actually learn the game and appreciate the depth of its movement, then I guess you're just gonna have to commit yourself to playing more, refining your technique, and trying and failing with different guns until you get good with them. It took me about a week of playing MP to get on par with everyone else skill-wise, and several months of play after to learn how to grapple slingshot and Kraber well enough to consistently pull off shit akin to >>713335414 and vidrel (although neither are my clip), and even then I still occasionally perform worse in games now than when I began playing. If you're familiar with FPS and you've played the campaign, TF|2 is far from the worst multiplayer experience for newer players.
>Are new players able to learn the game or get better when one guy on the other team can swooce by and delete you?
Absolutely. Again, top players are just as fragile as everyone else, and the game is broken, allowing you to take advantage of the crutches I've mentioned earlier. If all else fails, there's always titan gameplay to even the odds, since that relies less on movement and aim and more so on positioning, ability usage, and teamwork, almost like a first-person MOBA.

>>713336421
That controller players are dogshit at the game?
Remove most of the movement (the skill expression) and we get apex legends

>>713336214
>this is not only a hit but a kill

>>713336580
Kraber is a projectile weapon. Considering travel time and that the enemy pilot was falling, this is far from an outrageous shot.

>>713336660
Its a gun not a bow

>>713336724
The projectiles are slow.

>>713336724
If you were familiar with the Kraber shot's travel arc then this wouldn't look out of the ordinary.

>>713335414
>You can contribute to the team by grunt farming or playing like a camping fag with the DMR/Spitfire
so why aren't there any webms of that?
>>713336437
I don't think you realize that movement like this in any other game would be accurately called a no-clip cheater. Shit like this should be either immediately mastered by below average players or not possible to perform without tampering.

>>713336896
>so why aren't there any webms of that?

>>713336505
TF2 movement isn't skill expression, it's something to keep ADHD individuals busy since they need more buttons to press but does that really matter when they could die from the CAR with aim assist? Apex developed better game sense that could reward good players in the long run instead of making a movement system akin to throwing a dice and leaving it to luck

devs didn't actually intend to create the game people thought TF2 was, as proven by all the maps but like three being full of ankle-high shit that you auto-mantle and kill your momentum and all the best guns being hitscan automatics with little damage dropoff

>>713336801
No wonder the game flopped

>>713337167
>it's something to keep ADHD individuals busy since they need more buttons to press
thats cope.
Respawn reduced to movement for apex to cater to a casual audience, and they succeeded.
Respawn didn't address the legal aimbot because they cater to a casual audience.

>>713335128
>Shoot mans
>Get "rewarded" with being unable to bhop, unable to wallrun, unable to use any movement tech, can no longer use your fun abilities like stim and grappling hook, now stuck with one weapon in a slow moving slow paced clunky slog shooter instead of zooming around the map having fun
No, Titans were fucking garbage. They were cool, especially in the campaign, but in terms of gameplay they're ass.

>>713334324 (OP)
>beloved niche action /v/ game
>majority Chinese gamers
Every time.

Every nerd and their mom sings praises for this game but I legit didn't get it.

>>713337371
you're a gay faggot

>>713334324 (OP)
Casuals couldn't blame their teammates for losing.

>>713337371
The campaign is so boring and the story was super cheesy.

FIRST WE DRINK

>>713337369
>Majority US gamers
>Its woke shit like veilguard, forspoken, avowed

>>713337239
Don't forget that ADS was optional on most guns. But I don't say this as a criticism, iron sight mechanics are fucking gay.

>>713337582
Lay off the booze, Barker. You fucked up your line.

>>713337630
Every single time. It's grim.

>>713334324 (OP)
Retard prefered gamemode without titans

>>713336896
>I don't think you realize that movement like this in any other game would be accurately called a no-clip cheater
You're making it sound like you aren't familiar with the game's movement. It's just grapple stuff. Here, I even performed the same sequence myself (excuse the dogshit compression).

>>713334767
If that was true it would be a success

>>713337786
Well I'm not familiar and looking at it makes me think it's a shit game but that's not the point. You're avoiding the main point for some reason.

>>713337706
> Americans, Germans, and Brits
I call this the axis of woke.

>>713337786
>randomly shooting when you cant even see anyone and just praying the autoaim kicks in
Amazing gameplay

>>713337330
>The most fun time in a match is the first few minutes before the titans start to drop
Hated this shit, there should have been a pilots only version of every game mode.
I'd have a titan ready to drop in the first 30 seconds of a match and I'd just hold it until the enemy team started to drop theirs.

>>713337943

>>713337934
Now that you've mentioned it, I never actually noticed how many krauts are also disproportionately represented in these woke slops. They don't get nearly enough shit as they deserve for their relentless faggotry.

>>713334324 (OP)
Feels kinda embarrassing seeing one of my own webms being posted years later

>>713337706
the fucks going on in germany

>>713339496
80 years of demoralization

>>713334620
Dota 2 is pretty damn popular though

>>713334324 (OP)
Not enough campaign stuff
Only like a dozen ultra competitive autists care about the multiplayer in these games

>>713334620
yugioh decks can either be extremely high floor(Fluffals) or high ceiling (Nekroz)

>>713339496
They all have a scat fetish so playing shit games gives them sexual pleasure

>>713334324 (OP)
>Why did Titanfall 2 fail?
It was dog shit compared to 1.

>>713339496
AIDS

>>713340181
This desu

>>713339836
you're cute

>>713337943
>console kiddy outs himself
Love to see it

>>713334324 (OP)
It didn't have parry.

>>713337943
I was recreating >>713336437 to make a point, retard.

>>713341065
Not him
What point were you trying to make make?

>>713341303
That the movement in the webm isn't the result of cheating or an exploit, nor is it out of the ordinary by Titanfall standards. It's just a movement tech. I used to teach grapple slingshotting to newer players in the early Northstar days, and most of them got the hang of it within ~10 minutes.

>>713341776
I didn't say it was about cheating. I said it looks like cheating to anyone who sees it. The whole game should be designed around it if you want that style of movement. But instead, it has always been marketed as a cod clone with medium sized robots.

>>713334324 (OP)
>>713335414
>>713336437
>>713336437
>>713337786
How the fuck are Titan's supposed to compete with this? Is this why I never see any Titan gameplay webms, because they're shit in TF2 and get shit on by pilots?

>>713334767
What did you think mechs were supposed to be? They're bigger soldiers.

>>713342004
they're sitting ducks but titans still one shot pilots while surviving a few rounds of their attacks

>>713342004
It's not as cool looking, but a skilled Titan Pilot can rape hard. The average tactic of the metashitter is to fast drop a ronin and start going ballistic. Forcing the entire team to focus him down.

>>713342649
I love Scorch.

>>713335414
>CAR
shitters use A-wall/Altenator

>>713342840
Shitters use any hitscan because they're all the same.

>>713335617
GAYpex is slow

>>713342491
>>713342649
And how often do Titan's actually kill B-hopping pilots who grappling all over the place, can't be often.

>>713334324 (OP)
Dogshit fucking maps which made the Titans (which were already ruined with the class system) useless. Literally, the only good Titanfall 2 map is Glitch, and everything else is ported Titanfall 1 maps.

>>713342942
Some fag youtuber was telling people to use altenator so I saw an uptick on high ground A-wall shitters for a while. Didn't stop them from getting chunked from my Cold War or EPG

>>713334324 (OP)
You either play Sega Rally, Red Baron or Counter Strike. But not the 3 at the same time. It's silly.

>>713342004
Because you're in a giant robot that can smash them into pixie dust if they try to cross your sightline. It's two competing power fantasies, but they're both fun.

>>713342995
Depends on the titan really. It'll be harder with say Scorch since he's got slow projectiles. Really it's easier than doing it as pilot since you're not flying around with them.

>>713343550
fucking love Northstar and Ronin
and Scorch
and Legion
and Ion
Fuck Tone fags

>>713342995
melee will just delete pilots easily if they are in your range if not most weapons just 1 tap anyway

>>713335042
hero shooter slop will never be good faggot

>>713334324 (OP)
More like titanfail

>>713343550
>>713343770
Last question, do I need an origin account if I buy TF2 on steam? My old origin account got hacked so many times I just stopped caring.

>>713342004
A titan will always beat a pilot in a 1v1. Most titan weapons and abilities 1-shot pilots, as do trampling or punching pilots. That said, each pilot has a 3rd weapon slot dedicated to an anti-titan weapon, and they can utilise indoor spaces to hide from titans and take potshots with RPGs, lasers, grenade launchers, etc. Pilots can also rodeo enemy titans to snag a battery and deal a chunk of damage to them, and these batteries can be used to heal you or your teammate's titans. As a pilot, your best bet against a titan is to peek in and out of cover and chip away at their health, which is especially effective in groups or when a titan is distracted fighting another pilot/titan and can't do anything about you. If a titan's focus is solely on you, you're most likely already dead. This interplay between pilots and titans is what makes the Titanfall series unique compared to its peers.
>Is this why I never see any Titan gameplay webms
Titan gameplay is just less impressive than pilot gameplay, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's slower and more methodical with a higher TTK. Titans all kinda play like beefier tanks in Overwatch.
>>713342995
It can happen often, especially with titans that have hitscan weapons/abilities like Ion, Legion and Monarch. An experienced pilot knows to avoid open areas when titans are on the field, or otherwise move fast enough so as not to get spotted and killed.

>>713344203
I forget, you might just get asked to make a new one

>>713344203
To play multiplayer, you NEED to either purchase the game on Origin, or buy it on Steam and link it to an Origin account. If you just want to play the campaign (highly recommended), just pirate the game.

>>713334324 (OP)
Because of shit like this webm, it was doomed to be a niche series due to the skill ceiling.

>>713344438
Really? I bought it on steam a couple years back and played it plenty and I don't have an origin account. I'm pretty sure they removed the need for it or something.

>>713344503
Trying to launch the game on Steam always opens up Origin and launches the game from there no matter what. Northstar also requires Origin to be open, I guess as a proof of purchase measure so players with pirated copies can't access the server client.

>>713343550
TOTAL MONARCHFAG DEATH

>>713334324 (OP)
too much of an arena shooter slop

>>713337330
hey you dont have to pilot it
just ignore it and let others have a slow moving objective to play around

>>713334324 (OP)
Normies hate physics engines.

>>713334324 (OP)
Because most of time you play as a bunny hopping fag instead piloting mecha
That pve mode was nice though

The maps sucked desu. They really should've ported all the maps from 1 over.
>>713342004
Northstar is literally the designated pilot zapper. Always satisfying to watch them blow up into gore like flies killed with a revolver.

cause it's bad? what's there to say?

>>713334324 (OP)
>Why did Titanfall 2 fail?
Poor player retention. People played it for like 15h and moved on to other things. The devs directly said this was the game's biggest problem: high ratings, high audience positivity, high praise for the campaign, then they play the MP for 15 hours and move on.

>>713334324 (OP)
So do you see how fun that movement is? Now imagine every five minutes you need to hop into a slow as shit mech with ASSFAGGOT abilities and the entire match slows down to a crawl. Titanfall failed because they made you be fucking Titans, and Pilot v Pilot came in too late

>>713345909
>all games that fail financially are bad
Retard

I don't understand why actual literal genuine unironic casuals cry about tf2
It's not even got a high skill ceiling, it's just cod but movement is fun instead of dogshit, and you can be almost as fast as anyone using a grapple just by learning how to press crouch when you jump

>>713334995
rare enlightened anon
tf1's mp was superior in every way except for the gay card system. tf2 didn't have a single good map at launch and the only good maps they added were tf1 ports

Game was half baked
>guns
2 SMGs were so overwhelmingly dominate compared to every gun that it killed any urge to experiment with other guns
>titans
pretty balanced but Tone and especially monarch were obnoxious
>abilities
I hope you like stim and grapple because those are the only two decent abilities
>gamemodes
like 1 gamemode was played by everyone while other gamemodes died off

essentially the game lacked staying power, largely due to how bad the gameplay variety was. After like 15 hours you have seen and done pretty much everything beause every match is CAR + stim/grapple loadouts.

>>713346015
>every multiplayer game HAS to last forever! you can't just make something that's enjoyable for a while, you need battle passes and daily login rewards and monthly seasons with gimmicks and epic lore reveals! if players aren't treating your game like a second job, you've failed!
this is the mentality that's killing gaming

>>713346196
grapple is fun as fuck and should just be the default

>>713334324 (OP)
I like titanfall 2
I like wallrunning
I like grappling hooks
I do not like the nonsense in your WEBM of sliding to maintain momentum, when they showed Splitgate 2 had copied it I instantly lost all the little interest I had

i have been trying to get each titan to g10, but with the condition that once i start that titan, i must finish it.
legion is my last one
i have 10 levels left
on all of the ones i didnt immediately like, by the time i got to g10 i was sad to switch off them and found stuff to appreciate in every titan.
ultimately i feel like ion is by far the most annoying titan

>>713335414
>>713336437
Your entire argument falls apart by the fact no one plays these games anymore.
A person playing pve in a pvp game just isn't fun.
The same thing happened in Mordhau. Skill ceiling is so high, it creates massive gaps between a noob and a person with thousands of hours of play time. People who are new abandon the game and those that are left are stuck fighting smurfs and no in-between. Player count drastically drops and the game rapidly dies.
The only exception to these kinds of games are Mobas and card games.

>>713348117
That's just all pvp multiplayer. The hottest debate these days is amongst cod players that don't want skill based matchmaking because they just wanna stomp noobs all day. It's always present in any competitive game.

>>713342649
>coalburn83

It's shit compared to titanfall 1.

>>713335128
Titans were only as good as the maps they were on. A lot of the launch maps don't have enough relevant titan-free areas or verticality to avoid one dude turning a single good life at game start into a 200 point lead farming with Ronin.

>>713334324 (OP)
Came out between two of the biggest multiplayer franchises at the time.

>>713337369
Because all the Americans that cared already bought in on Origin years before.

>>713346196
SMGs can't actually compete with the guns that have 1-2 taps
The Wingman Elite, Kraber and EPG unironically clear the CAR and the R-97, at that point it's just a game of flicking and playing at a level higher than the low ceiling of SMG scrubs
You're right about variety though. The maps in the game are genuinely designed pretty badly because the devs took a lot of ASSFAGGOTS "inspiration" for them. A 1v1 mode with proper maps made for it instead of the empty colisseum would've gone pretty hard though. I think in general the game just needs some actual variety and the designers were trying their hardest during development to avoid that due to normie feedback in TF1.

>>713346479
splitgate 2 took it from halo 5 actually
halo 5 was a pretty tight game too desu

>>713334551
>Why yes, I play low skill ceiling PvP games like Counter-Strike, how can you tell?

>>713335414
>mom look! I noscoped that bot that was standing still! based!

>>713354603
Those are players dumbass

>>713335548
I abused the fuck of that in TF1 with the chain lightning gun on the Stryder. I was constantly dashing over packs of grunts while spinning around and popping drop pods with the LG. I had something like a 98% win rate. I would have stopped but the sheer amount of meltdowns I would cause was addicting.

>>713354841
>mom look! I noscoped that player that was standing still! based!

>use AMR
>toss down my A-Wall
>melt a titan while they're shooting our titans
>scoot away
it feels bad being slow but i could never go fast so

>>713355003
>AMR
SMR, fuck.

>>713354937

>>713335548
I just scooted around hipfiring kraber and projectile spam fags from across the map with the volt and that was enough to kill the game pretty much

>>713334324 (OP)
If only apex wasn’t tumblr slop, an actual Titanfall Battle Royale would be nice.

>>713354342
>kraber/EPG/WE
>better than the CAR
no the fuck its not. If your opponent is a slow shitter sure but the Car and R-97 make up 99% of lobby loadouts when I played

>>713334620
What are you talking about? Skill based matchmaking solved that issue and allows extremely high skill ceilings in games.

>>713334390
Skill Based Matchmaking solves that issue.

>>713354342
the only gun stronger than the basically laser beam smgs was the literal laser charge rifle, which basically nobody used seriously in most lobbies because the opportunity cost of the anti-titan slot was way higher than the primary

>>713337706
>>713338197
>>713340806
Long time payer, first time player. Let’s kick the ass with cancer! Save the animals, dial 8, greetings from Germany.

>>713359651
Greetings from Germany! Long time donator, first time viewer. Let's show cancer that we mean business and kick its butt!

>>713342004
Cause TF2 feel like a Pilotfall compare to TItanfall 1, Titan was much more powerful in TF1 thank to shield.

>>713335414
>someone saved my clip
Ayyyy!

>>713335414
>TF|2
I appreciate this non-confusing acronym.

>>713360669
Mad respect kraberanon, your clips are always fun to see.

>Even if TF3 would actually happen, it would be made by modern respawn
god has forsaken us

>>713334324 (OP)
someone play apex with me x3c

>>713346336
Nothing will make this better, the newer generations have literally 2 or more screens to consume stuff and they either have their threadmill or they can watch Shrek2 for the 100th time.
My point is that you can kill all the threadmill bullshit from the industry and zoomers still wont play because they'll just get distracted by something else before they even learn to slidehop. Very few will have the -tism or the motivation to get into an abandoned MP shooter like TF|2 .

>>713334324 (OP)
Because EA games are interested in flooding your pc with spyware, want as much info from you with their client, and slows your machine down.

>>713361932
Everyone likes to blame zoomers or [younger generation] but the parents are to blame. Capitalism is to blame.

>>713336437
When I tried getting into this game I just kept getting deleted left, right, and center no matter what I tried and oftentimes from bizarre angles so I just stopped playing because I couldn't really learn the tricks. I don't think you have the perspective of a lower end player.