Is Kingdom Hearts a dying series?

>>713336097 (OP)
Yes but only because it went past the point where it should have naturally ended (2)

>>713336097 (OP)
the 3 was a massive disappointment and garbage
and it should definitely have ended with 3
now it became a cashgrab licence and nobody cares anymore about this shit

>>713336097 (OP)
KH4 is probably on life support, might honestly get cancelled any day now

It's dying in the same sense that Ramses II is dying

Only because they insist on making shitty mobile games instead of cool shit.
>>713336179
3 was great, aside from the Frozen world. I love having more Larxene, but having her create some ice labyrinth made no damn sense.
Granted, everybody brushing of Sora the whole way, despite him carrying the whole pack of jobbers, was pretty rough.

>>713336097 (OP)
No.
It's a dead series.

>>713336097 (OP)
Why is there even a 4th game? The series was supposed to wrap up with xehanort's death, literally all the games relate to him as an antagonist. Nobody knows or cares to know about their shitty ass mobile game lore or characters, so why do they want to make a continuation of that in a 4th game?

I tried playing it for the first time earlier this year

The gameplay is extremely dated, I'm really not a fan of the PS2 hack'n'slash genre after playing modern games like Sekiro, Lies of P, or even Nier Automata.

I love Final Fantasy but don't like Disney, so I effectively don't like 50% of the art

Yes I want to fuck Selphie, Kairi, and Yuffie, no I don't want to play as anime Mickey Mouse with Goofy and Donald Duck

>>713336297
>3 was great, aside from the Frozen world. I love having more Larxene, but having her create some ice labyrinth made no damn sense.

She's a keyblade wielder and they have al the powers in the universe the same way Sora can use lightning and ice and even more things Larxene is capable of doing the same. Getting real tired of this dumb complaint.

2 Should've been the final game, I feel like almost everything wrapped up nicely there. Now its just Disney adult nostalgiabait: The Game, weeb edition.

>>713336297
>Granted, everybody brushing of Sora the whole way

That's because Sora is written as a stupid Shonen Dumbass Hero. Blame Namine and blame Nomura and Nojima. If Sora was written better he wouldn't tolerate being insulted like that because it really doesn't make sense given how many characters Sora helps. The only exception is Riku in that Riku is the one protecting Sora from his own idiocy.

And that's another thing, Sora has become one of the worst characters in Kingdom Hearts because he's greatly stupid.

>>713336513
Sora is supposed to be Mickey Mouse, if that wasn't obvious enough.

>>713336297
>>713336513
3 should have been the perfect opus to have everyone shine and maybe the part from the trailer where everyone is fucked and roxas and lingering will come to help could have been great parts where you actually play as roxas / lingering teaming up with sora after their friends got abducted or something, but no gotta suck sora's dick

>>713336313
>xehanort's death

What death? Death is meaningless in Kingdom Hearts which is why Strelitzia who got assassinated is inexplicably alive in Quadratum during Kingdom Hearts 4 and the first thing she explains is that Quadratum is indeed a world full of life. The denizens we see there are regular living people. So its not truly an afterlife. Expect Xehanort to show up again alive and healthy.

The story of the series became way too flawed to the point its difficult to enjoy it. Don't like reviving dead characters, time travel, and all the samey characters who are alter egoes of Sora, Kairi, and Xehanort.

>>713336250
Turned into a girl and then made porn of?

>>713336297
Supposedly part of the reason the Frozen world was so bad is that the Frozen team were being major cunts about what was and wasn't allowed to happen during the world. Apparently Sora wasn't allowed to interact with the plot of the movie in any way(which is why he spends half the world getting thrown off cliffs), and apparently demanded the entirety of Let It Go had to be in there somewhere.

>>713336616
>What death? Death is meaningless in Kingdom Hearts which is why Strelitzia who got assassinated is
Like I said, nobody gives a fuck about that mobile khux design whatever shitty game lore and story, nobody wants a continuation of that shitty mobile lore.

>>713336097 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts ruined itself due to the following....

Scattering the sequel games to different handhelds as early as Chain of Memories on the Gameboy. Later on it became mobile games instead.
Handheld games can never equal the mechanics of the console games so the gameplay was crippled by default.
The story became really atrocious with many bad ideas like time travel.

These things ensured Kingdom Hearts both shaved off loyal fans and made itself not marketable to newcomers. Think about it, even if you buy the All in One Collection you still would not understand all that you need to understand for Kingdom Hearts 4. And seriously playing through the All in One Collection is a BIG time sink as well for a newcomer who may or may not even like the Kingdom Hearts series.

Also they ran out of GOOD Disney animated films. That's another one none of you like to talk about and no using Disney's Dark Era is not going to rescue the series. And no one seriously considers trash like Raya or Encanto to be good.

>>713336319
>I'm really not a fan of the PS2 hack'n'slash genre after playing modern games like Sekiro, Lies of P, or even Nier
lmao

>>713336854
Two got away with it because it explained some of what happened and even if you missed the bigger plot points the game kept you engaged.

Three I had no idea what the fuck was happening with the 3d chess opening, combat felt off, and the Disney ride attacks were stupid and out of place even in a kingdom hearts game so I dropped it.

>>713336763
And you know what's most amusing? The characters from Frozen are the only ones who feel they are NOT Sora's friends. They are the only official Disney Heroes who aren't friends with Sora. When even a criminal pirate like Jack Sparrow is a friend of Sora's you know something is up. And because Disney pissed off Johnny Depp we will never see Jack Sparrow again.

Modern Disney is shit. By the way anyone else see the new Disney movie about the ugly Calarts homosexual brown monkey boy, Elio? Shit movie. Do not want it in Kingdom Hearts.

>>713336097 (OP)
KH3 was an absolutely incredible theme park simulator. Truly groundbreaking. It was supposed to be a linear narrative conclusion to 5 different stories that a lot of viewers had followed since childhood. It didn't do that at all, and vaguely paid lip service to that in the last hour or so. Watching Aqua ragdoll around the screen was pretty annoying. Xion arriving in the last few minutes without dialogue nor explanation was annoying. Aqua standing in a room with all the main characters and giving her longest and worst monologue was bizarre. Mechanically brilliant game, very fun to play, but the mechanics made no attempt to tie to the rest of the experience. Spamming Disney rides in the middle of a dark-souls boss was uhhhhhhh

>>713337048
The theme park rides really needed to be more integrated into the major boss fights. The roller coaster during the Rock Titan fight was legitimately cool, but it pretty much peaked there. There should have been more shit like that, like Davy Jones throwing you off the ship during his boss fight and suddenly blasting back out of the water with the pirate ship ride to have a cannon fight with the Flying Dutchman before hopping back on for the rest of the fight.

>>713337016
>Three I had no idea what the fuck was happening with the 3d chess opening, combat felt off, and the Disney ride attacks were stupid and out of place even in a kingdom hearts game so I dropped it.

And Kingdom Hearts 3 introduced random new plot elements that made the cliffhanger even worse. The Mystery Box, the time traveling Foretellers, and Verum Rex.

The game was always going to have a cliffhanger but they really shouldn't have introduced these three things within the main story. Leave it strictly for the Secret Ending like Another Side Another Story from the first game. Its less....bothersome.

>>713337048
I think one of my favorite parts was that bit in the Keyblade Graveyard where a horde of named characters from the mobile game came out of nowhere and it was supposed to be a big "WOAH IT'S THEM, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT, IT'S JUST LIKE ENDGAME" moment that fell completely flat because nobody knew who the fuck any of these people are.

>>713337420
Even if they did, no one would care about a bunch of online handle names randomly showing up in the middle of a quick time event.

And that scene is especially stupid because Sora and the other main characters had no tactic to fight the Heartless Tornado they literally were going to do the same shit that got them killed off the first time. Sheer dumb luck rescues them with the mobile game shout out.

>>713337649
I still don't get how a fucking Tornado of basic Shadows would be able to kill everyone, Sora has handled worse battles either alone or with Donald and Goofy

They did cancel a game and KHIV seems a long way off. It's not in a great place desu.

Kind of mental how the namesake of the franchise is just a piece of set dressing now.

>>713336097 (OP)
KH3 was never going to live up to the hype but with how spectacularly it jumped the shark I doubt people are going to give much of a shit about KH4, especially seeing that the main conflict is resolved, and the only hook left is some mobile game lore I doubt even the people that actually played the game care much about.

They take too long to release

>>713337241
Attractions definitely could have been integrated into combat better than they currently are. Not even all of them are based on specifically Disney rides, there is no pirate ship ride for example. The closest you have is the Caribbean in magic kingdom but that's your basic get in a small boat that moves along a set path to see the characters.

>>713336097 (OP)
KH stopped being good at 2.

KH was never good

>>713336097 (OP)
they're already almost out of good disney material to work with so yeah

>>713336297
>gets her screentime wasted because the frozen staff are cunts
>gets barely any new fan art as a result

>>713336097 (OP)
I liked digital foundry video on kh3s graphics.

Kingdom hearts 1/2 was 80s Pixar.

Kingdom hearts 3 finally reached toy story level fidelity.

Kingdom hearts 4 on PS5 will show toy story 2 level fidelity with Ray tracing in mind.

Kingdom hearts 5 on ps6 will reach early 2000s Pixar movies like monsters inc. cloth physics,fur, and lighting will finally be good.

>>713339012
My wife

>>713336097 (OP)
dying but not dead. the wait between 2 and 3 was far too long and the spinoffs spread across every different handheld made it impossible for the majority of the fanbase to keep up. by the time the third game came out, the people who cared about the game were old and were probably lost at the story anyways. did not help that 3 was a pile of shit on release (critical mode, option to remove attractions, and DLC greatly improved it). if 4 ever comes out, all the new players are just going to be confused at the plot and probably disappointed at the gameplay (because it is nu-squenix and it will play itself).

>>713339238
>Kingdom hearts 3 finally reached toy story level fidelity.
it looked better than toy story. go back and watch the first toy story again. while amazing for the time, it definitely has shown it's age. and KH3 clears it visually.

I hope so. I really liked 3 (skipping cutscenes because they were unbearable) but it's not like the same people who made the gameplay good in Re:MIND would disappear from the company if KH ended. I'm more than ready for a new action RPG franchise by them. Hopefully one that won't make me feel compelled to skip cutscenes on a first playthrough.

>>713336097 (OP)
My biggest complaint with Kingdom Hearts is that you could do so many kinds of fantastical villains and yet......all of them are Xehanort.

The only new villain we got now is Master of Masters. And don't like the revelation that Master of Masters used Xehanort as a minion. And the only thing that can ruin the Master is if Nomura reveals that he's Sora in some way or Nomura himself. Something idiotic like that.

So much potential for villains with different motives and such and we end up with Xehanort's clones and Master of Masters. Really wanted something new for example in Disney's Aladdin series Aladdin fought villains that have nothing to do with Jafar. Stuff like that is what I wanted for Sora totally new villains.

>>713339863
>dying but not dead. the wait between 2 and 3 was far too long

And it doesn't help that game development in general takes way too long. But Square Enix specifically takes forever look at how long its taking for them to show a new trailer for Dragon Quest 12. And you must remember Dragon Quest is not a graphically intensive realistic type of series like Final Fantasy. Square Enix takes way too long and the waiting is hurting Kingdom hearts.

>>713339863
>if 4 ever comes out, all the new players are just going to be confused at the plot and probably disappointed at the gameplay (because it is nu-squenix and it will play itself).

My hope is that Kingdom Hearts 4 is released and the gameplay is refined to be solid given the team has enough experience after making Kingdom Hearts 3 so they don't need to do after release patch jobs like making gamers wait for Critical Mode. There is no excuse anymore for that.

First impressions are key and if Kingdom Hearts 4 doesn't immediately start good then it will truly start the series on a death spiral. Nomura and Nojima don't seem to realize how much good will has been exhausted with Kingdom Hearts 3. Wonder if Japanese youtubers have made a lot of Kingdom Hearts 3 Was Disappointing style vids.

>>713339238
>Kingdom hearts 5 on ps6

We don't know if Sony wants to make a dedicated console anymore. And if it doesn't happen then graphics will stagnate.

As far as Kingdom Hearts goes would have preferred hand drawn cell shaded high end graphics like the latest Guilty Gear game. Imagine Nomura's artwork in motion? That would be eye candy. And same to Final Fantasy 7 Remake.

>>713340041
>ready for a new action RPG franchise by them.

Doesn't work that way in Japan established brand is power. And as such the Kingdom Hearts formula is strictly associated with Kingdom Hearts for better or worse until it stops selling. Fans don't get a say on this because the corporate culture dictates everything.

>>713339863
>(because it is nu-squenix and it will play itself)
I feel like the 7 Remake games are decently challenging. They're not exactly hard, even on hard mode, but they demand enough from the player that you'll find people seething at many of the bosses and talking about how "tedious and unfun" they are. Thinking about it, XIII was a decent challenge too and it has some of the same lead designers. That team makes real games.

>>713340041
I don't think the KH2 devs went on to make any good action RPGs

>>713340646
>until it stops selling
Well, given recent Square-Enix sales trends, they better start worrying about that before it stops selling instead of after.
They could also give KH to a new team (like they already did before with Osaka team) and let the current KH guys make a new IP. They don't let IPs die, but they don't mind teams doing other things. Forspoken was a flop but they still let the FFXV guys spend hundreds of millions on a new IP after FFXV sold well.

>>713340741
That's because they got scattered to different teams. And didn't the Battle Director of Kingdom Hearts 2 leave Square Enix? So there you go.

Square Enix has a huge problem of not knowing where to allocate the talent. The only company that's worse is Konami.

>>713339943
On a technical level it improves on some aspects but on others it's kind of lacking.

Design wise we have had decent artistically design models and lighting since PS2. That's because they were exactly taking inspiration from 3d animated movies of the time.

If anything it shows just how important artistic design is.

>>713340771
>Well, given recent Square-Enix sales trends

We don't know enough about that except that Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sold disappointingly. So the final part of Final Fantasy 7 Remake may sell badly.

We know Kingdom Hearts 3 sold excellent but Kingdom Hearts 4 is shaky due to some people feeling burned out. We don't know how Kingdom Hearts 4 will sell.

And Dragon Quest is still selling as great as usual so hiccups with that franchise.

The other games Square Enix releases like Trials of Mana remake sold well. Square Enix seems to be doing alright overall.

>>713340741
That's because the team was too fragmented. "The KH2 devs" never went anywhere together. But a lot of them did leave their mark in noticeable ways. For example:
Battle designer for KH I, Lead designer for KH II, helped prototype FFVII Remake:
https://www.mobygames.com/person/219461/mitsunori-takahashi/
Designer for KH II, Battle designer for FFXIII
https://www.mobygames.com/person/219462/yuji-abe/
Designer for KH II, Battle designer for the XIII trilogy and FFXVI, directed Dissidia NT:
https://www.mobygames.com/person/211283/takeo-kujiraoka/
Designer for KH II, Boss battle designer for FFVII Rebirth:
https://www.mobygames.com/person/219463/daisuke-sase/
They need to keep the teams working together instead of fragmenting everyone to help a bit in various different games. They seem to be doing that more in recent generations, sometimes not even to their benefit. Like they would greatly benefit from an R&D section like From Software and Remedy have, the engine guys who support all teams in the company instead of each project using an engine and technical quality being so wildly inconsistent between games. FFXVI shouldn't have MMO tier cutscenes for its budget, the reason it does is because that's what the team knows what to do for lower budget cutscenes. They don't have the expertise for event scene direction the FFVII Remake team does from having Toriyama onboard.

>>713341029
They are doing alright, but I mean the trend in franchise power no longer carrying sales. FFXVI sold poorly (for their standards) too. They shouldn't wait until it's a massive loss that affects the company to try to course correct. They need to keep it being profitable.

>>713341241
My suggestion for Square Enix is to keep the talent and nurture them. Also make games that aren't high end graphically. That should help them objectively. Investors may not like it but survival is most important.

And with lower cost games that look like say PS2 tier they can afford to keep the talented employees around long term.

If Kingdom Hearts is in trouble then Square Enix can remake the first Kingdom Hearts. The nostalgia alone can sell multiple millions of copies. Even better if they fix some of the story flaws.

>>713336097 (OP)
they don't seem to make any good games of the series anymore, so yeah I guess. Pretty sad if you like those games that they're so bad at stewarding it

>>713340561
We haven't hit the peak of graphics yet. Not by a long shot. As long as that's the case Sony has a reason to keep making dedicated console experiences.

As I said above the PS6 will enter into 2000s 3d animated movies. Which was also the point in which 3d animated movies took over the industry.

The PS7 will have late 2000s fidelity which will be further improvements to materials like glass,leather, plastic, and water. Think of movies like wall-e and UP.

I do think the ps8 could be the last generation because that's when we start getting into toy story 3, finding dory, and Coco.

Which is where you do start to see stagnation in the industry.

>>713336097 (OP)
Yes.

>>713336097 (OP)
No.

>KH thread
>multiple deleted posts
Every SE game as a dedicated schizo huh?

It's only "alive" in the first place because they kept making shitty spinoffs.
Seriously everything after KH2 is like reanimating a dead corpse.

>>713336097 (OP)
Already in zombie status

>>713336097 (OP)
At some point I'm going to buy and play these because they look so fucking stupid that it wraps back around to kino

>>713336319
>I love Final Fantasy but don't like Disney
fag

>>713346163
only children and women love disney.

>>713336136
You mean 1
Chain of Memories was the beginning of the retarded plot nonsense and Org.XII anime overdose

>>713346534
you could say literally the same about FF except children + teens + women

>>713336097 (OP)
No. KH3 sold over 6 million copies.

>>713347407
*2
Kingdom Hearts should be allowed to have elements original to its own identity, and they fit the bill. It's just humanized heartless, and as for an ending. 2 actually concludes where 1 cliff hanged (leading into CoM to begin with).

How would the timeline have changed if KH3 had been released around 3-4 years after 2 on the PS3?

Franchise has been limping along since 2 and 3 didn't reinvograte it. The lack of meaningful death and sacrifice since CoM/2 has basically ruined the narrative. Everything is just constant nostalgia pandering and references to better, older games. Think about how KH3 didn't even introduce new characters. The last "new" character was Young Xehanort in 3D. Every other character has been autistic mobile shit, and the mobile games have really forgotten the darkness and moodiness that defined KH1-BBS.

I actually think KH3 was fine after the update and loved the limit cut stuff. It felt like a natural evolution of 2, without as much finicky menu hopping in the middle of battle. I really think gaming has just changed. The fanbase for action jrpgs doesn't exist outside of Soulsborne anymore. Final Fantasy is an equally dead franchise, so all KH has to lean on is Disney properties. But Disney won't let them do anything interesting, so it's just corporate bland mush.

How long until the inevitable KH1 full remake?

>>713347698
I remember thinking I was going to buy a PS3 solely to play KH3. What a silly boy I was.

>>713336097 (OP)
Yes, and it's all because of the story. Convoluted stories that span multiple games are simply bad for business. Long time fans will POSSIBLY buy a new game, but it's really hard to make new fans when they have to play everything that came before it to understand what the hell is going on. Kingdom hearts is dying because ot is losing fans faster than it is gaining them.

>>713347880
I was thinking it would be after KH4 but seeing Atlus do a Persona 4 remake before Persona 6 makes me think SE could do something similar.

>>713347880
SE doesn't seem too keen on remaking anything that would take a lot of effort. FF7 being the exception.

>>713348023
Didn't they actually remake that literallywho Mana game in full 3D coming from SNES?

>>713348050
Yes but it's clearly not a big budget remake.

>>713347698
Nothing. KH3D was functionally intended as soft KH3, and it was worse than the actual KH3 in every way. Retards have always ignored the spinoff titles but they've always had equal weight to numbered entries.

Everything in this franchise is an asspull based on Nomura's mood at the moment his adhd meds start working so he can focus long enough to make a game. Square's teams shift members too frequently to have ever continued the legacy from the PS2 era. If anything, the late 2000s and early 10s were even worse for most Square franchises. Final Fantasy and Parasite Eve were actively destroyed by mismanagement and misunderstanding their audiences. By dodging release in that period, KH3 at least feels like a KH game (in the worst ways mostly).

For a series that has tons of 10/10 girls and one of the greatest video game OTPs of all time there sure is a lack of porn.

>>713336097 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts 2 should have been the last game. If they just stopped there the series would have been significantly better perceived.

>>713348676
SoraxAriel?

>>713336319
>bad opinions AND reddit spacing

>>713336097 (OP)
KH3 was the highest selling game in the series. People like to cope and pretend like their personal tastes somehow have a greater impact when they really don't.
Square-Enix (and AAA in general) just take too fucking long to make games. And since Sony and Nintendo both killed off their handhelds, there's been no spin-off titles (no the mobile shit doesn't count).

>>713348676
Kingdom Hearts has a cursed fandom in that because its mostly shitty twats they screech about the characters being underage.

Other things such as Pokemon and Persona don't have that shaming road block.

>>713348676
>one of the greatest video game OTPs of all time
I agree

>>713336097 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts is a mismanaged series

>>713349790
Nah that's wrong and dumb, the girls in KH just aren't very good and most of the fans would rather draw yaoi of the guys instead.
Kairi is a lame character and the only reason some here claim otherwise is to be contrarian against fujos.
Aqua has the personality of cardboard.
Larxene is the only decent one.

>>713336297
I love how her two hair strips are like Pikachu’s Ears, hence the Thunder Electricity powers she possesses

>>713350437

>>713336319
Sora about to take a Selphie

>>713350272
And Larxene's true nature as Elrena is shy but nice. Yeah the girls in KH just aren't very good like you said. They don't do much of anything to impress and they aren't sexy.

>>713336567
>>713336595
>>713336772

I wonder what got deleted or if one of the posters in here got banned from a different thread

>>713350272
>Aqua has the personality of cardboard.

The funny thing is some defend Aqua saying she spends her games being alone except Samus from Metroid does the whole solo adventures and you can still get the impression of a personality. Aqua has no excuse.

>>713337971
I’ll take Naminè

>>713350704
he posts in every KH thread and he always gets his shit deleted

>>713338259
Fucking this, Nomura is arguably holding this series back with mobile slop nobody cares about, adding insult to injury one of them getting canceled

>Game development is more expensive

Well to be fair after KH2 there’s was nothing but side games, experimental mini sequels and re-releases but now we have none of that to hold us over

>>713340829
Images you can hear

Did you know that Capcom made Mickey Mouse platformer games on the SNES? They’re pretty good and worth checking out, they also did an Aladdin game.

>>713341029
Never forget Final Fantasy Spirits Within that killed the name “Squaresoft”

I genuinely wish everyone that thinks KH is worth posting about on this board kills themselves.

>>713351314
you have autism

3 is the best selling in the series so no

>>713351314
You just posted about KH on this board, kys.

>>713336097 (OP)
Small handhelds don't exist anymore so they can't release a billion spin offs, that are actually very important to the canon, anymore. Maybe now everyone will be able to follow the series story more easily.

>>713350765
Who the fuck are bottom left and bottom right?

>>713351927
strelitzia and skuld

>>713347880
Too early still I feel.
It looks great even now.

>>713352168
>Too early
it's been LITERALLY 23 YEARS

>>713352325
And it still looks fantastic for an early PS2 game.
We're better than Naughtydog anyway.

>>713350770
He's also a furry and wants to kill people

>>713337778
>I still don't get how a fucking Tornado of basic Shadows would be able to kill everyone, Sora has handled worse battles either alone or with Donald and Goofy

You dare question Nomura's artistic vision?

>>713352479
Naughty Dog should die.

>>713347407
>Ending at 1 with such blatant sequel bait

Kind of, because the guy who made all KH games is old as shit and he says that he will retire soon.

>>713336319
Dumbass

>>713338195
>doubt even the people that actually played the game care much about.
Correct.