Why does this enrage pokemon fans?

Stuff like this is why I never really got 'into' Pokemon. You have essentially objectively 'better' Pokemon, don't you? Like, the legendaries. I'm sure there's some random cheese moves and whatever with certain pokemon in certain generations, but... you have the good ones pretty much laid out for right there. They're called "legendary" for a reason.

>>713337287
The funniest thing is, is that you waste more time into catching mons and building a team than just using your starter to defeat everything and sweeping the league with an overlevelled mon. I just dont see a point in building a team through a playthrough. Which is why pokemon sucks.

>>713337195 (OP)
>le wrong opinion vs le reddit cuck
Kill yourself, OP.

>>713337195 (OP)
fire emblem has this exact same dilemma

>>713337447
>>713337287
it's the consueqnces of being an rpg game (an extremely easy one for children too) where you can just power level and get to the point where your numbers are so big strategy doesn't matter
it's even worse in modern titles where you can grab a early magikarp and use the free exp share to level it easily

>>713337195 (OP)
It doesn't enrage me but it's boring to use only 1 pokemon throughout the whole thing. I know it's the most efficient way to play, at least before the whole exp share changes, and you can blame the game design for that. I'm pretty sure that in pre-release versions of pokemon red/green you needed badges to make all pokemon obey you, not just traded ones. That's why the NPCs and manual make such a big deal out of getting badges to make pokemon obey you. It must have been a last minute change that came from testers getting stuck leveling their starter only until it no longer obeyed them. Such system would have prevented the "powerlevel your starter" strategy, but it's too difficult for kids to wrap their heads around.

>>713338136
>but it's boring to use only 1 pokemon throughout the whole thing
Levelling a shitty ralts to 20 in Emerald has to be the most boring shit ever. Especially when the only thing you encounter around that level are just trainers using wingulls spamming supersonic and tentacools who poison you after 1 poison sting.
I tried to create a team, but the game is fucking ass and tries its best to fuck you over. Half the fucking trainers in Emerald have a zubat or a wingull or some kind of other dumbass pokemon that paralyzes or poisons your mons. It's just tedious. I'd rather just get an overlevelled single mon that doesn't have to deal with this bullshit.

>>713337195 (OP)
There's more than 1000 pokemon why would i only use 1?

>>713337195 (OP)
Probably because it's outdated, HMs disappeared like 10 years ago and the dlc had some fights were you had to have more than two braincells to win, the overlevelled started wouldn't really cut it. Even in the base game, SV probably had the hardest final story fight of the franchise.

>>713337287
You usually don't get the opportunity to catch a legendary until the end of the game.
And if you know what you are doing, they will be underleveled and won't really fit with your current squad.

>>713338136
>the most efficient way to play
is it really? i only did it as a kid because it was the path of least resistance

>>713338668
because you don't have autism and aren't trying to minmax a video game

>>713337195 (OP)
Who the hell thinks this? Because the way to play the game on the right is boring as shit? Isn't that obvious?

>>713337195 (OP)
>play Omega Ruby
>make a triples team of Swampert, Groudon, and Regigigas.
>literally every fight is spamming earthquake, surf, or other strong party wide attacks while Regi spams Wide Guard every turn
>win every fight, including making one guy with a team of hacked shiny legendaries rage quit
I don't know how nobody has any kind of counter to that team, it was the most brain dead shit ever

>>713337195 (OP)
type coverage is overrated bro
just nuke them with STAB tera close combat

>>713337195 (OP)
I used to played like left when I was a little kid and it tooks me a dozen of tries to beat Lucian in Diamond.
Now I use competitive build in playthrough, I level everyone evenly and guess what? I absolutely curbstomp Cynthia even if I was ten level lower.
Left is much more effective and satisfying

>>713339775
And if the opponent is a Ghost-Type?

>>713337195 (OP)
The fundamental flaw in Pokemon is that this strategy isn't just valid, it's optimal.
Pick the water starter, give it surf and ice beam, never use anything else, win. It's literally that easy.

>>713339838
flare blitz

>>713339954
What if it's like a Chandelure with Flash Fire?

>>713337195 (OP)
pokemon (and every single game) would be infinitely better without level based stat growth yes
imagine simply being able to catch a dog and use it instantly for your dog fights instead of having to autistically level any dog you catch up to your current team
it just makes sense
levels and permanent stat growth are simply terrible mechanics to avoid needing to balance a game, the enlightened have known this for ages

>>713339832
>>713339475
Left's gameplay time: 40 hours
Right's gameplay time: 9 hours

>>713337195 (OP)
>Actually fun and have a team of different mons you like aesthetically/moves wise
vs
>Boring min maxing

>>713337287
The legendary Pokemon are very frequently terrible. Sure the ones on the box are usually god tier but a lot of the minor legendaries like the trios tend to be really underwhelming. No one is using Articuno ever.

>>713339916
The first game I cleared was Crystal by doing this. You get surf before the 4th gym, you got STAB and your croconaw should be near evolution if you kept using it only. That's a 90 + 10 move before the 4th gym. You don't need anything else.

>>713340005
outrage

>>713339775
Just dragon dance and outrage with your dragun, earthquake/fire blast on the steel types.

>>713340215
What if they then, hypothetically, predict this and switch out their Flash Fire Chandelure for a Fairy-Type. What then?

>>713337287
>>713337195 (OP)
I never use legendaries, it's the ultimate cheese. It feels like not playing the game properly.
I have one other house rule, which is not using Double Team. It just fucking ruins the point of the game.

The real fun is playing vs other people.

>stick to starter
>catch Rayquaza ASAP
>grind loop until I get this based motherfucker
>catch other legendaries
>transfer them across other games indefinitely
toppus kekkus

>>713340156
I had Arcticuno on my original yellow team back in 2000.
I was retarded though, my Pikachu had Thundershock, Thunderbolt, Thunder and Body Slam.

>>713337195 (OP)
does me not being enraged mean im no longer a pokemon fan?

>>713340548
Tell me about Metagross! Why does the wear the X?

>>713339201
>hardest final story fight
Just use toxic then wall him until he dies

>>713340156
Articuno is good too many people get their perception warped by Smogon

>>713340672
>Just use toxic then wall him until he dies
This is how every discussion on this website goes

Whats a good modern pokemon title? Was thinking about emulating some 3ds titles.

>>713340156
There are more good legendaries than there are bad ones. Having a larger base stat total counts for a lot. Some non-boxart legendaries arent the best, but a lot of them are even better than actual boxart pokemon and have become meta staples
gen 1 was zapdos, mew, mewtwo
gen 2 was suicune and celebi
gen 3 was Latios/latias, deoxys
gen 4 had heatran, darkrai, manaphy, shaymin
gen 5 had the faggot genie trio that made people quit the game, terrakion, arceus, genesect

and there were a bunch that were still great, but not meta-staples.
The only ones i can think of (from pre-genVI) that were actually bad were the Regi's, and Moltres/articuno who got unlocky and were made very weak to stealth rocks

>>713337195 (OP)
I just use all the ones I wanna bang as my team. Defeated the Champ with a Miltank once

>>713341106
also suicune was a box art legendary after the fact, so i'm still counting it as a non-boxart legendary

>>713341097
How modern are we talking? When it comes to the 3DS games I think ORAS/Sun & Moon are the best so I'd recommend those

>>713337195 (OP)
This is why I like PokeMMO and certain hacks that limit the level of your Pokemon based on the number of badges.
You can't be overleveled and actually have to use strategies.

>>713341580
What's PokeMMO like? I've never played it

>>713341106
Moltres got a great revival in later gens at least.

>>713337195 (OP)
The fact that you can finish the games by just powerleveling your starter shows how braindead easy the games are.

>>713343057
>Game made for little kids is easy
wow, that's crazy

>>713343141
Because we all know the real audience is kids, right?

>>713338136
>only until it no longer obeyed them
This shit doesn't stop you at all. Your Pokémon only disobeys you sometimes and you still 1 hit me everyone so it's not a big deal.

>>713343223
It's made for people like be who want to fuck lubunny

>>713342450
Not him, but I tried PokeMMO for a bit a couple years back. As far as anything regarding difficulty and such goes, I did Emerald, and the changes to trainer AI and teams and such actually made it feel just tough enough that training was warranted, at least up to Mauville. After that point, it become pretty typical again.

But for the most part, it is just playing Pokemon but it's an online environment where all the games are accessible. You can play through the stories like normal, although presentation does take a bit of a hit. Switching regions becomes available at 4 Badges, allowing you to play all the stories, although the level cap for usable mons depends on your badge count for that region.

I'd say the big major change that the average player might run into is that Breeding is a lot more committal. You lose the parent mons when hatching an egg, so getting the best nature + IVs on a Pokemon yourself requires a LOT more catching and hatching to hedge the stats into their best ranges (although I honestly kinda like it as someone that never got into this shit playing solo)

>>713337195 (OP)
>play with my 4 favorites and 2 hm slaves

>>713337195 (OP)
Because Pokemon has an unspoken "difficultly". And you're the equivalent of a basic ezmode lactating bitch if you use legendaries in the already babymode story campaign in their eyes

>>713337195 (OP)
I use at most one legendary during the story but I never power/overlevel any pokemon. And I make sure not to bother training the legendary minimally as it's stats already reflect a 10+ level buff compared to your average pokemon. This keeps the game at least somewhat fun.

>hm slavemasters
>not training an elite, dignified squad of hm deities who each specialize in their unique godgiven power, boxed and ready to serve their sole purpose