>saves video game optimization

>>713342079 (OP)
buy an ad, spic grifter

>>713342113
How is she wrong?

Why doesn't he just talk to these people? Demonizing them puts you on the wrong side of biblical legend.

>>713342079 (OP)
His thumbnails are getting more kino with each video. He's 100% right btw, modern devs are lazy and incompetent and timmy tencent is optimising his engine only for fortnight and special fx fags.

>>713342298
The german DF troon flat out refused any debate because he knows he'd get ravaged.

>>713342298
he has consistently called for dialogue with these people but none of them accept it and just ban and block him on every platform. what is he supposed to do?

Face in thumbnail = do not recommend this channel

>>713342443
Proof?

>>713342298
Digital Foundry basically flat out refuses to talk to anyone. Their responses to forced ray tracing and Hogwarts Legacy demonstrated how they refuse to listen to alternative opinions

>>713342079 (OP)
He's so fucking based

>>713342614
They have a stream where they answer questions

the jeets fear the zoomer carmack

>>713342310
fortnite is one of the worst running games ive ever played, like not just the average framerate, but theres also stutters AND microstutters. the idea that this is the flagship game of a game engine company is crazy

>>713342614
>Hogwarts Legacy
Qrd?

>>713342714
same goes for the epic games launcher. its incredible to me how fucking laggy and unresponsive it is when you move between any tabs. it also has this really compact style that makes everything so big and jumbled together. fucking nightmare to navigate its store

>>713342664
That they cherrypicked from their paying supporters and always about things which couldn't be considered controversial. When Alex / John were asked why they wouldn't cover Hogwarts Legacy they had a meltdown on twitter

>>713342685
You're joshing right? This faggot and carmack are not even on the same planet

>>713342898
Sure thing, Ranjesh.

UE jeets DESPISE this man

>>713342735
he deleted this but it should explain it

>>713342079 (OP)
king of vee

>THREAT interactive
what did he mean by this?

>>713343097
He's a man with a vision.

>>713343097
just needs to grow his hair further out and he'll look like sith anakin

>>713343097
A threat to lazy shit devs with the name rajeesh

>>713343039
His melt downs over covid shots then him concern posting over how bad America is so funny

>>713343097
These thumbnails are kino as fuck

>>713342298
because DF are shameless paid shills with 0 knowledge whatsoever and refuse to do it because it would expose them.

Oh? Why do games still run like ass then? What exactly has the savior done?

>>713343097
i fucking love his over the top evil chud aesthetic. the jeets tremble in his presence as he resembles Lord Shiva the God of Destruction

>>713343237
Was crazy when Linneman had the balls to say covid drove Ben Heck crazy

>>713343391
embarrassed billions of jeets

>>713342827
Wasn't there a bunch of other controversy with that game that coincided? Maybe there's a better example.

>>713343391
youre expecting one man to single-handedly fix an industry so deeply poisoned to its core? he is merely the messenger carrying the good word and calling for change.

>>713342685
this one man destroyed the entire nation of india.
also kitbogo

>>713342685
That's a face worthy of being beat into a pulp.
Immediate aggression the instant I looked at it.

>>713343560
Okay cool. But why do games still not run well?

Why would DF bother to talk with some faggot obsessed with his 1080 or 770 or whatever decade old tech he thinks should still be running games? The answer's fucking simple retards, we made 4K TVs before we could make 4K games, and we've been chasing that shit ever since. You can run all this shit at native resolution on a 1080p monitor without any upscaling or frame gen, go do that and shut the fuck up

>>713343736
How much does nvidia pay you?

>>713343701
saar, we live on principle of non-violence in hindu!!!. that is reserved for our lord shiva not for you, untouchable scum!!! know your place saar!!!!!! How you can slap!?!?

>>713342079 (OP)
>>713342298
>>713342443
Why the FUCK would DF waste time talking to some no-name grifter latching onto them?

>this is fine actually

>>713343736
explain to me why its acceptable that games look and run worse than games like titanfall 2 (source engine game, btw) or battlefield 1 from 2016 at 1080p?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltDjOmnAIj8

>>713343893
because he is popular and the biggest counter culture voice in the graphics and performance industry on youtube? he has hundreds of thousands of views and 150k subs. i'd say thats worth something. what do you have to lose to speak with him if he is so wrong and retarded?

>>713343921
You may not like it but this is peak graphics performance

he'll never release a game because the illusion would shatter

>>713344058
we've finally retvrned to trvdition

>>713342079 (OP)
>the engine you can't be negative about or you come off as a grifter
40 fps on a 5090 btw. classic runescape looks better than this.

@threatinteractive ur doing a great job. fuck these shill bitches up

>>713343934
speaking of that, was 2016 the peak of graphics and performance? i swear there were so many games that looked great and ran smoothly at that time. is it all nvidia moneylaundering thats caused all these pointless GPU's to come out after the rtx 30 series?

>>713342298
The DF zionists are afraid of him

>>713342079 (OP)
what will happen to my gpu? i am scared

>>713344561
unlimited powah

>>713342079 (OP)
>shits on onlyfans

>>713344561
it turns gay

i've always thought modern games looked shitter, ran worse, and were blurry. this guy came out and basically said yeah it's all true and here's why and gave really good breakdowns while exposing developer incompetence, so he's pretty cool in my book for that. plus his thumbnails are cringekino.

>>713342079 (OP)
>>713342685
>>713343097
>>713344561
KINOOOOOOO

>>713345346
yeah idk why so many people on here shit on him. he is the only slightly major voice speaking against the enshittification of games and advocating for better performance in games and thats somehow a le bad thing? swear i dont get this board sometimes.

>>713342298
Why would you talk to an obvious grifter?

>>713344385
good graphics are like 80% direction and artistic craft. when you hand 300 dollar pencils and brushes to an intern, you're still going to get shittier work than from an actual artist that has a crayon. the industry just doesn't want to accept that, or they don't care. either way the only way they know how to cope is to slather the image in middleware effects like raytracing in an attempt to try to salvage it.

in a funny way, the industry will pay twice as much and work twice as hard to get something as a product than actually try to train or pay for someone to do it. i think it actually really bothers management when they feel like the people under them embody the real value of the company

>>713345773
yeah it boggles the mind why would anyone wanna talk to the jizzeaters from DF

>>713345870
Stop shilling your channel, faggot.

>>713342685
>the zoomer carmack
Carmack made something in his life. This dysgenic basement dweller has yet to present 1 (O N E) single line of code.

>>713343097
I tried

>>713343097
>>713343429
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyWAxROq1tU

>>713343097
>>713346259
HOLY

>>713342079 (OP)
He set back the anti-AAAslop movement back so much with his retardation. I hate him.
>has a chance and platform to actually address problems and offer solutions
>spends all his time seething about TAA and just advocating for forward rendering without even realizing it
>begs for 900k dollar donations for a product he's yet to show even a shred of evidence for

>>713343097
same energy

Buy an ad

>>713342079 (OP)
hello Kevin, nice thread

>>713343039
Uh oh, is someone mad about Rowling's belief in 2 genders and trying to shit on the franchise as a result?

>>713343039
based

>>713343097
He's so dang dramatic

>>713342079 (OP)
Who’s this I why do I care

>>713349589
>guys i dont care here is how much i dont care do you see that i dont care even though im asking who is this because i really REALLY dont care actually *hmph*

>>713349589
>de Mayo de 2018

>>713343934
games looks way better than titanfall 2 lol

God has gifted us with the existence of an autistic Patrick Bateman with a taste for the dramatic who hyperfocuses on computer graphics. This timeline is incredible.

>>713344062
DF never released a game too

>>713342079 (OP)
if his constant call outs fixes retarded devs i dont care

>>713350389
Digital Shilldry at least don't ask for donations based on the promise they'll release a game with it.

>>713350127
yeah man

>>713350457
>ask for donations based on the promise they'll release a game with it
Source? I didn't see it in the video.

>>713350485
This is a 7 year old game in which you turned antialiasing off.

>>713342079 (OP)
Reminder:

wasnt he kicked from the graphics programming discord?

>>713343429
kek same

>>713350606
yeah dude

>>713350696
Why don't you change the discord name to make it more believable?

>>713350843
This is a graphically overambitious game that was criticized for in on release vs a universally reviled game made by diversity hires and troons.

>>713351030
one runs great on last gen hardware, the other barely runs on current gen hardware

>>713351112
>older game runs better on hardware that came after its release, new game doesn't run well on hardware that came before its release
Say it ain't so!

>>713349589
He calls out Digital Foundry (Europeans) for nepotism to give good coverage of video games in exchange for exclusive pre-release access to footage. The company Crytek responsible for Crysis did several PR videos with DigitalFoundry for their Remaster games. The Crysis thing is harmless because nothing came of it that we wouldn't already know, so I should've said "alleged" nepotism to be neutral.

The other thing is he says a lot of unqualified game developers are passing the back of coding to the metal by telling the engineers to rely on AI upscaling and FrameGen instead of hard work doing optimization and LOD models. Classic example is how Fallout/Bethesda tier open world games of the PS3 and X360 era had different levels of details for the surrounding world, the farther away the less intensive models would be used before being dynamically swapped as the player gets close. In the modern time the developer like PS5 and PC Forsaken would be rendering the entire game 24/7, including bosses that have 4K testicle textures that aren't on-screen. Some PC nerd looked at the poly count for the dragon and they never optimized it at all, zero LOD models.

A lot of lazy shortcuts are being used today. In the past you would have to make "PS3 version", "PC version", "Xbox 360 version". Today they make a PS5 version and roll the dice on what the PC version looks like. This is my personal opinion but the death of exotic hardware (PS2, PS3) led to this future of lazy game developers. Persona 5 is a PS3 era game that ran on 512MB RAM with the Cell processor. Outside of Expedition 33 (questionably AAA), not many AA games can match Persona 5 which was built for 2006 PS3 hardware. Lazy. Developers.

>>713342298
Because he's a nobody with no clout
All he does is tell PC mutants what they want to hear, that it's the devs fault the latest game doesn't work on their pre owned Tandy from 1986

>>713351213
>older game looks better than the newer game
I'm afraid so!

>>713351217
>The other thing is he says a lot of unqualified game developers are passing the back of coding to the metal by telling the engineers to rely on AI upscaling and FrameGen instead of hard work doing optimization and LOD models
Not really, he doesn't say that. He's actually in favor of using automated AI methods to generate LODs. All he's saying is that current rendering methods sacrifice important aspects of image quality too much, and render pipelines are now designed in a way that offloads the work to the customer's hardware instead of having the developer do his job in the first place.

>>713351217
P5 looks like dogshit, don't confuse pleasing aesthetic for graphics and performance

>>713351318
Modern game also doesn't work on consoles.

>>713351347
>new game doesn't run well on hardware that came before its release
More powerful hardware, you mean? You're proving his point.

>>713351217
Reminded me of Silent Hill remake where Bloober just render the whole town and use fogs to mimic the OG instead using the fab and lod system like bethesda hence the dogshit performance for something that can be tweaked

>>713342298
His videos are not aimed at developers, his videos are smartly aimed at catering to crowds of people like himself: people with aged hardware who are really getting frustrated by badly-bad-together games made by incompetent non-programmers, and want to hear someone validate their frustration. He's not wrong to be frustrated but he is a bit disingenuous to pretend he's making a real concerted effort to talk to developers. At best he's just bringing angry attention to a problem.

>>713351497
The point is that you can get a lot out of a 512MB RAM machine with an odd processor like the Cell in 2017 (yes, Persona 5 released then). Modern game developers with 16GB VRAM unified pool are hanging themselves.

>>713343039
>It's children bullshit
newsflash faggot, every video game is meant for children
men don't play games

>>713351612
>newer yet produces a worse result
What is the point of this? To sell more cards?

>>713343039
Hope this ugly piece of shit kills himself, also fuck him and his shitty wrong and bad "opinions"

>>713343039
Pathetic excuse to avoid covering it when it's blatantly obvious the retard was afraid of the tranny backlash.

>>713351712
>His videos are not aimed at developers
You never watched his video. It's literally frame analyzing tool and presentation slides.

>>713342298
>>713342443
He DMCA strikes anyone who tries to debate or make a video response to him.

>>713351112
They're both unreal engine btw

>>713352016
>You never watched his video. It's literally frame analyzing tool and presentation slides.
I watched all his videos. Many of them are retarded as fuck if you're familiar with the subject matter and look past his confident & angry tone.

>>713352120
Unreal engine 3 vs unreal engine 4 to be exact.
And so far, 5 hasn't been much better.

The issue with modern vidyas visually is a lot like practical effects vs. CGI in film. Well-crafted practical effects still hold up to this day and look better than CGI, and the same is true of the old "tricks" video games used to perform to give us "fake" reflections, shadows, etc. Performance-wise it's like the difference between pre-calculating mathematically intensive values versus calculating them in real-time. Instead of doing the work beforehand and hardcoding the shit you actually need into the game, they do the equivalent of making the end user run all those calculations instead, every single time the game is run, and the calculations needed to simulate light rays and other meme features are extremely resource-intensive. There was no consumer demand for raytracing at all, the 20 series was a massive flop compared to the 10 series, and tech like RT and DLSS has lead to games looking worse, not better. No one asked for this.

>>713352165
elaborate

>>713352295
Raytracing means instead of 6-8 months spent on prebaked lighting, they can do it right away. The issue is the consumer console and PC aren't equipped to handle it at native 4K 60FPS. And AMD technology does it worse with a bigger performance hit (consoles, PC). We can sit here and blame NVIDIA all day long. And I will stay here because it is NVIDIA's fault.

>>713351728
The Persona engine crapped itself with Metaphor. I don't know why you're acting like it's great optimization when the P5's asset polygon count/sheer graphical complexity is shit. There's a reason why they focus a lot on UI and 2D presentation.

The issue is real.
But him looking weirdly disgenic doesn't help the situation.

>>713352371
I'll just copypaste the old post I wrote:
His Jedi Survivor video is a textbook example.
He focuses on the depth pre-pass which takes up 0.63ms, that totals only about 3% of the frame. Reducing that to half its time by tuning down some sampling would (if you were previously running at 60fps) only improve the framerate to 61 fps. There are way way bigger issues with Jedi Survivor's performance than getting 3% more performance from the GPU, a lot of which is overzealous and stupid use of Blueprints even for things as simple as character pupil contraction.

Yet he pretends passes and drawcalls are somehow the game's big performance problem and rants about quad overdraw even though it's completely unrelated to the game's issues. He talks about the 1700 drawcalls killing the performance but without actually measuring their CPU cost it's a moot point, as they take very little time to execute on the GPU - hell, you can SEE by the graphs he shows in his own video that all of the 1700 drawcalls are completely invisible on that graph so he's not showing any proof of high performance cost. He's just relying on his angry-confident tone to sell the story.

Jedi's actual performance issues on the consumer end are caused by UE4's poor asset streaming tools and the unfinished PSO caching, also its awful usage of Unreal's anti-merit Blueprints system. Almost none of this manifests as bad GPU-side optimization, it's needlessly heavy CPU load and PSO stutters. But hey that's a bit more complex to access than just fucking around with the console or the UE editor or shitty engine.ini tweaks so how would he know?

His videos are like this all the time. His starting points are 100% correct (shit optimization to due to bad development priorities and lack of dev talent) but his videos fall apart when he tries to get into the nitty gritty. His supposed "fixed TAA" is also silly because he essentially just recreated FXAA.

>>713352489
Forcing every consumer to run an expensive raytracing simulation every time they fire up your game instead of utilizing the talents of competent artists that will produce a more visually appealing end result is delusionally misguided. The issue isn't that consumer hardware isn't "powerful enough", the issue is the principles (or lack thereof) behind this "solution" in the first place.

>>713342298
DF doesn't want to get into discussion with anyone out of fear that their technical knowledge will be exposed. This isn't the first time they've been called out for their hypocrisy. A smaller channel called them out over their Gears 5 analysis and they threw a tantrum over it.

>>713352678
>utilizing the talents of competent artists that will produce a more visually appealing end result is delusionally misguided
There's nothing artistic or inherently wonderful about baking the lighting of a game. It's just a long process because it computationally takes a long time, it's closer to waiting for an alarm clock than it is to a process of wonderful creation.

>>713342079 (OP)
How many video games has he actually made?

>>713352503
I hate to be that guy but the Persona 5 engine is the same one as Catherine. And let me give you the sticker shock, Catherine (PS3, X360) was using GameBryo. Same as Persona 5. Yes, THAT Bethesada notorious engine.

>>713343097
he's becoming too powerful...

>>713352813
An artist going over many iterations of how to light a scene and utilizing his artistic talents before deciding on the final result will always look better than slapping RT on a game and calling it a day. Older lighting techniques were far less resource-intensive and far more visually appealing.

https://youtu.be/hZYfLNIinOc

>>713352884
You got it confused a bit.
Catherine (PS3, X360) = Gamebryo
Persona 5 = new custom engine
Catherine Full Body = custom engine from P5

>>713343039
Funny considering John is always pushing the Sonic shit on the channel. TSR did not need a technical analysis.

>>713352987
Maybe their custom engine just like upgraded gamebryo

>>713353137
It would make sense that they got inspired from it.

>>713343039
Was he always this fat?

>>713352970
>An artist going over many iterations of how to light a scene and utilizing his artistic talents before deciding on the final result will always look better than slapping RT on a game and calling it a day.
The artist can do this with RT too, he just doesn't have to wait an eternity for the baking process to finish before he can see the result.
https://youtu.be/DZfhbMc9w0Q?si=hiAtqr8T8rG-6u3g&t=764

>>713352503
Ultimately the results on screen matter. Great for P5, less so for Metaphor.

They're going for UE anyway now.

>>713343039
He's 100% right. Harry Potter was always shallow, woman-brained crap. 4chan has always known this but has only recently started pretending otherwise because the author has turned against troons.

>>713342685
the retard doesn't even want to write his own engine, stop comparing him to carmack

>>713352970
>will always look better than slapping RT on a game and calling it a day
Who says artists don't light scenes with RT? It's just gonna be WYSIWYG without bakes in between adjusting things.

>>713353387
zoomer movie only retard

>>713343039
Is this a confession that he sucks tranny dick? sounds like it

>>713353269
Yeah no need to put RT on player's end. Artist can just bake what he did with RT into the game.

>>713353269
Is there any reasong RT couldn't be used during the creative process, then the results be baked so the expenses of calculating the lighting in real-time aren't passed off to the consumer?

>>713353235
Remember when he had the fake Scottish accent?

>>713353613
>Is there any reasong RT couldn't be used during the creative process, then the results be baked so the expenses of calculating the lighting in real-time aren't passed off to the consumer?
It can. Warhammer 40K Darktide does this, all the lighting was initially made with RT but then the results were copied to bake that light. That's why RTGI looks nearly identical to standard lighting in that game, except it's a bit more reactive.

>>713353387
>because the author has turned against troons.
and that's the only reason that retard is buttblasted, the quality of the show it's irrelevant

>>713353921
>show

>>713353786
>RTGI looks nearly identical to standard lighting
So other than laziness and trying to sell more GPUs, there is no reason to force real-time RT onto end-users at all?

You can cope all you want but RT is the future.
the only problem is that the future isn't now yet

>>713353613
Open world (too big to bake)
Very dynamic environment (too many situation to bake)

>>713354052
>Open world (too big to bake)
Could you not bake different layers or sections? I know some Monolith Soft games simulate real-time dynamic lighting by doing something like this.

>Very dynamic environment (too many situation to bake)
Could you not just apply dynamic lighting selectively to objects that are more likely to be in motion, on top of static lightmaps for everything else?

>>713353980
>So other than laziness and trying to sell more GPUs, there is no reason to force real-time RT onto end-users at all?
There is only if the user wants more from the lighting than he'd get from baked lighting. I mentioned RTGI is a bit more reactive in Darktide, RTGI there can make sense because there's a shit ton of effects and particles and ragdolls and all that looks way better with properly cast light, baked lighting can't account for all that. When a tox flamer lights up half the screen with fire you'll instantly know the difference between standard and RTGI lighting.
But it should never be mandatory.

>>713354225
>There is only if the user wants more from the lighting than he'd get from baked lighting
How many such users do you think exist? Enough to make RT a driving feature of every new game?

It will never stop being funny seeing the poojeets come out of the woodworks every time this man is mentioned

>>713354197
>bake different layers or sections
LOD makes it lower quality than RT methinks.

>just apply dynamic lighting selectively to objects that are more likely to be in motion
that's still RT and still expansive

>>713354398
>Enough to make RT a driving feature of every new game?
Some customers wanting slightly better lighting isn't the reason RT is being pushed, RT is being pushed so developers can push out more games in smaller time frames because baked lighting takes a long time.

>>713354480
>a simple cup object shouldn't have nearly 20k triangles dudes
>SOURCE?????
>WHAT'S YOUR QUALIFICATION? WHERE'D YOU GO TO GAME DEV SCHOOL? FIVE REFERENCES NOW.
I have a difficult time understanding why there's such a huge smear campaign against this autist.

>>713342079 (OP)
He keeps yapping and yapping but where are the actual results that you can test yourself?

>>713354550
>RT is being pushed so developers can push out more games in smaller time frames
Is that occurring?

>>713354550
>baked lighting takes a long time
just use RT when baking?

>>713354596
>I have a difficult time understanding why there's such a huge smear campaign against this autist.
Want to take a wild guess?

>>713354550
The main reason it became a thing was Nvidia wanted to yet another gimmick the competition doesn't have. Maybe it's less of a gimmick now but it sure was with the 20xx series when it was just puddle and car reflections in select games.

>>713354627
You just don't get it CHUD. Light baking programs only use CPU and they can never ever ever ever ever change over to GPU because... they JUST CAN'T OKAY???

>>713343893
>why would a company want to counter allegations made by someone who is rapidly hurting their brand image, the only thing they actually profit from?

>>713351318
>it's the devs fault the latest game doesn't work on their pre owned Tandy from 1986
How do you get that from
>games that came out 10 years ago look better and perform better on worse hardware than today (shows proof)
?
Are you just making things up?

>mention the switch 2 is actually 400p
>shill campaign begins

Lmfao it happened IMMEDIATELY after their switch 2 vid. Now, the industry hates them for some reason lmfao

ANAKIN NO
RESIST THE DARK SIDE

>>713354550
This. You fags need to wake up and realize most graphical gimmicks of the last 5 or so years are primarily dev-oriented. RT and its derivative forms exist so devs spend less time on lighting, Nanite exists to spend less time on LODs, Neural Texture Compression when it comes out will exist to allow devs to get away with just dumping textures in without a care, temporal rendering exists to allow devs to not give a shit about motion aliasing, etc. There's no current or upcoming graphical gimmick that's primarily made with the purpose of making your games run better other than the DLSS/FSR meme.

Digital Foundry has been shilling Pathfinding Raytracing. Explain the distinction to me. Or is it just another NVIDIA feature set that AMD consoles and AMD PCs lack so it tanks their performance? Tale as old as time btw.

>>713356032
"Raytracing" is a scam, it's usually just standard raster with some partial RT elements slapped on top of it. Usually a combination of screen space effects and ambient occlusion, combined with RT diffuse.
"Pathtracing" is actual real raytracing where every single ray of right fully bounces. Except even this isn't technically full time raytracing because its samples are collected over time to preserve performance, which is why if the sample count is really low it can look noisy and needs advanced denoisers to look good.