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WEEEEELLLLL I'M A MIGHTY MIGHTY MAN I'M YOUNG AND I'M IN MY PRIME
YES I'M A MIGHTY MIGHTY MAN I'M YOUNG AND I'M IN MY PRIME

PLAY THE GUITAR
PLAY IT AGAIN, MY JOHNNY

>>713343182 (OP)
I need to replay Fallout 3

Butcher Pete mogs

The balance of camp to serious was way better in the first two games, lol

>>713343907
>the first two games
Meaning this one and NV, right? Fallout started at 3 like how Final Fantasy started at 7.

>>713344368
1>2>NV>>3>>4>>>>76

>>713344571
1>NV>2>>>3>>>>>4>>>>>76

4>3>1>NV>2

>>713343182 (OP)
I'M A REAL YOUNG MAN
A BRAND NEW TWENTY-FIVE

growing up is realizing the radio is anti-immersion because not a single npc in the games mentions the radio, it plays a bunch of non diegetic stuff like 80s re-records and then just disabling it and listening to the ost

>>713343907
Fallout 3 is especially bad in the writing department. Those interviews where Bethesda talked about how silly everything was really shines through during most quests. They improved a bit in Fallout 4, I think.
>>713344571
NV>>>F4>F3
Haven't played the first two yet. I'll get to it eventually.

>>713345202
I have only ever heard the radio when there is an actual radio in the environment playing it.

>>713344963
he's going to die in our lifetime

I love Moira!

>>713343907
Anon, Fallout 2 is campy as shit. The problem with Fallout 3 is that both the campy and the serious are cringe

>>713344571
NV>2>Sonora>Nevada>1

How about an enemy that's literally just a film character?

>>713343182 (OP)
I can't really explain it but 10 years ago I had a hard time replaying this game, I just didn't feel like booting it up at all but this spring I really liked it. I think maybe because I spent a lot of time just roaming under DC in the metro system and I liked that part and I also did some side quests I'd never done before but I dunno for sure. Fawkes still a cunt though.

>>713343182 (OP)
Total Mirelurk Death!

>>713345991
Why are they so fucking bullet spongey

>>713347564
>Why are they so fucking bullet spongey
Isn't that like... EVERY Fallout character?

>>713345991
Were they already like that before the bombs dropped?
I remember there being a fighter jet wreck where the pilot landed and then got slaughtered by the locals

>>713347564
all the weapon numbers on point lookout seem randomly generated too

>>713347635
those guys take it to an extreme

>>713347702
yes https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_Plague

Any GOOD mods for 3?

>>713343907
Only the first was. 2 is as bad as 3.

>>713348121
wanderer's edition is the best fallout experience

>>713348121
the one that combines NV and 3 so you can just play NV instead

>>713344571
2>NV>1

>>713350625
tale of two wastelands, it's kind of shitty and FO3 and FNV are kind of naturally incompatible because they use different armor stats.

>>713351363
It combines DT and DR, but I don't understand the way it takes both into account.

>>713351424
FO3 has damage resistance which is a % chopped off of every hit and FNV has damage reduction which is a flat amount subtracted from every hit and i think resistance is counted first? makes combining armors super duper OP.

Realistically when can we expect the remaster? Will they do NV too?

>>713351674
Bethesda prefers to pretend NV doesn't exist.

>>713353271
Take your meds

>>713351674
>Will they do NV too?

>>713344791
Only correct ranking ITT

>>713353271
Bethesda likes money more than they hate NV. If F3 is getting a remaster then NV will too.

>>713350625
Tranny hands typed this post

I won't post the other one

>>713347564
bro you have a weapon in fo3 that does x30 crit dmg they never bothered fixing

>>713347564
>Why are they so fucking bullet spongey
That's like, every enemy in [insert Bethesda game here]

>only music that is over 100 years old survived the apocalypse
Bethesda's view of Fallout as a bunch of retards who were stuck in the 50s is retarded.

>>713354321
but it was the 1950s in the 2070s

>Fallout 5 not until the late 2030s
>Probably going to suck
I'VE DONE MY TIME AND I WANT OUT

>>713354870
theyll end up outsourcing part of it to their fo76 studio so most likely before that

>>713343907
>balance of camp to serious was way better

>>713356061
>outsourcing
It's not outsourcing Anon, the studio is literally "Bethesda Games Studios Austin".

>>713356781
fallout belongs to bgsm and they are very protective of it, and they have a cold relationship to any other studio working on their IP

>>713356948
>fallout belongs to bgsm
The IP is owned by Zenimax, and Bethesda Softworks decides who gets to use it.
>have a cold relationship to any other studio working on their IP
A cold relationship created by Obsidian's retarded management trying to sue them and Interplay failing to deliver on the Fallout MMO that they were contracted to make but never made.

>>713348121
Mothership Zeta Crew which will never ever be finished.

>>713357202
fallout belongs to BGSM and any attempt to outsource it by zenimax would lead to them leaving to form a new studio.

>>713357446
>form a new studio.
BGS Austin was called Battlecry Studios before Zenimax bought them, and I forget what BGS Dallas was before Zenimax bought it and had them work on Fallout Shelter.
I can't think of another studio that could actually make Fallout work today besides BGS.

>>713343182 (OP)
Just beat the game, it's the first time that I finish a bethesda game, these games take so long to complete

>>713357623
BGSM resents BGSA and they have hostile relations. If zenimax even threatened to outsource it to them they would protest by resigning. But it won't come to that. Zenimax has a deep working relationship with Bethesda and understands their inbred culture especially with regard to BGSM.

>>713357623
I look at shit like that pic and can only think about how little it actually changes the shitty base game. Lots of buildings youll come back to from time to time between completing the same horribly written retarded questlines. Honestly starting to believe this is all there is to Fallout for most "fans", surface level bullshit they focus on while not minding how everything else is just cancerous.

>>713343182 (OP)
BONGO BONGO BONGO I DONT WANNA LEAVE THE CONGO OH NO NO NO NO

>>713357895
It's not the quests for me, its how few mechanics actually affect the settlement itself. I know it's a tall order but having Economic mechanics tied to each Settlement would make them so much better.

>>713356948
>fallout belongs to bgsm and they are very protective of it,
Is that why they take 50 billion years to actually do anything with it?

>>713357623
>I can't think of another studio that could actually make Fallout work today besides BGS
you don't understand who you are talking to bro
these people would have no problem getting some piece of trash turn-based shit with no gameplay besides picking damage skills and dialogue options as long as it had some character drama and porn in it. They want a fucking TV show with occasional choices

>>713357623
That's fair, they raped Fallout in 3 so it's just a soft wacky sci-fi series now with a dose of lovecraft, it only shares the name with what came before.

>>713357895
>base game
settlements are intrinsically linked to the base game. if you don't engage with them you will have a shallow experience.

>>713360039
you'll have a shallow experience either way

>>713360208
not by any means. the settlements are a network of deep systems including crafting resource management resource networks production and progression both story and character.

>>713360275
no

>>713343182 (OP)
I don't get it.

>>713360320
elaborate?

>>713360453
we wuz minutemen yaps a lot and then you fight a crab, end of settlements.

>>713360527
so you ignored the entire system and found it shallow, just as i said

>>713345886
You have never played f2. All of the shit that us accused of being reddit is almost all of it contained in random special encounters. The core areas of vault city, ncr, redding and new reno are solid. Only major area that is reddit is san fran and that was rushed in the last minute of the development, so it never got a second pass do over

>>713360586
no, i played hundreds of hours playing the sims in fallout for fun and found it shallow. mods make it better.

>>713359994
see>>713356280

>>713360660
if you played it for hundreds of hours then it cannot be shallow

>>713353936
If they liked money, they would have poached the FNV core talent from the disfunctional Obsidian and made them into beth b-team spinning off spin offs like 76

>>713360732
of course it can, it's very very shallow and pointless. one of the dlc gives it a real mechanical purpose and its janky and nearly broken and worse than just selling all your scrap and buying things instead.

>>713360824
every game is shallow and pointless especially if you ignore the mechanics

>>713360820
They can't force people to work but some of the people that did work on NV jumped ship to Bethesda

>>713360914
there are no mechanics beyond building the same couple of structures and then leaving. you even need to install mods to clear most of the lots for that.

>>713357623
Neither could todd make fallout work as a believable world and not an amusement patk. So there is nobody left to salvage the IP

BINGO BANGO BONGO I DONT WANNA LEAVE THE CONGO OH NO NO NONONO~

BINGO BANGO BONGO IM SO HAPPY IN THE CONGO I REFUSE TO GO~

They’ve got thing like that atom “bomb”
So I think I’ll stay where I “am”

Civilization? I’ll stay right here!

(This song is making fun of niggers fyi)

>>713361035
producing items, generating resources, earning exp, attracting settlers, growing a settlement, repeatable quests, roleplaying, making different builds. there is endless room for creativeness and it is a deep system.

>>713361035
>there are no mechanics beyond building
>Caravan Lanes
>Settlement Attacks
>Settler happiness levels
>Settlement Shop Keepers
>Settlement water purification and food growing
>recycling and breaking down resources
>siding with the MinuteMan will create patrols from settlement to settlement
>settlement artillery from the MM and Vertibird support from the BoS

>>713343907
3 just the worst parts of 2 and turned it up to 11

>>713360967
Most of fnv key designers were fired since they failed to get the bonus clause in the contract that demanded 85 metacritic score. So obsidian made zero cents of profit from fnv as they never got honoraries from its sales. Base contract only covered development costs.

All the brains were available, like gonzales, and talent like avellone would have gladly jumped ship to work on some more fallout. It all came down to egos in zenimax and bethesda opposing it vehemently

>>713361235
you produce junk, junk is merely a mechanical limiter for building junk production. thats the most possible shallowness.

>>713361241
>caravan lanes
actually don't exist, believe me i wish we could get some crazy wolfgang action but they're just a random friendly spawn added to the list of random spawns.
>settlement attacks
are just a random spawn with a bunch of nagging, they're completely broken and pointless anyway since things repair themselves.
>settllement happiness
purely for nagging, not mechanical
>Settlement shopkeepers
i'll admit the hunting of the secret high level merchants is a bit of fun but their stock isn't particularly special either. there's not a whole lot of item variety in fo4.
>food/water
more nagging mechanic, not even a half decent cooking system or anything to match skyrim dlcs that already fucking exist. not even a significant survival aspect to match FNV. why can't they copy anything well?
>resources
the "resource exists" feature is not inherently a game mechanic
>artillery
too broken and useless

>>713361509
Obsidian was always on the verge of bankruptcy due to their retarded management. Avellone left because they were fucking with his Healthcare and 401k contributions. Gonzo recently returned to Obsidian last year.

>>713361617
junk is just one small part of what your settlements can produce. complaining about the system is fine but dont pretend like you have a point saying its shallow.

>>713361743
It IS shallow

>>713361780
nu-uh!

>>713343182 (OP)
BINGO BANGO BONG I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE JUNGLE

>>713361743
My biggest complaint is that they haven't done a massive stability patch for it. The pre-combines are still a problem.

>>713361743
you can produce junk and things you can buy except you don't buy things. you can potentially build shitty machines to vaguely automate producing ammo or you can automate selling garbage to buy ammo. everything about it is not merely optional but actively useless mechanically in-game, it's solely to waste your time between fights. its a nice little building system and mods make it a lot better but it's not deep or useful.

>>713345702
Well, not YOUR life time...

>>713354231
which weapon?

>>713361987
desu im mostly speaking in favor of fo4's camps because they perfected them in fo76. the game changes when you can build anywhere, plus they are even more intrinsically linked to the base game.
>>713362013
what other AAA open world has a system where you can spend 100s of hours interacting with where ppl still try to claim its not part fo the base game

>>713362163
the Deathclaw Gauntlet

>>713347564
if you dont play bethesda games with a damage multiplier mod you have nobody to blame but yourself.

>>713361654
Why do nv fans relentlessly blame Bethesda when the devs have said time and time again that it was their own fault and mismanagement? They had almost 2 years of development already with the engine, tools and a whole game they could borrow from.

>>713362290
it is part of the base game but the base game is incredibly shallow shoddily bolted together game chunks.

>>713362364
bismark's germany was an incredibly shallow shoddily bolted together nation

>>713362336
Why are you lying? Took 15 seconds in GECK to see you are full of shit.

Favourite weapon?

>>713362360
They needed someone to blame, and Feargus Urquhart only added gas to the flames despite Avellone, Gonzalez and Sawyer saying that it wasn't true and that BGS was extremely helpful with them.

>>713362485
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Deathclaw_gauntlet_(Fallout_3)

>>713343907
>camp
>>713345886
>campy
kill yourselves with power tools you fucking faggots

>>713362163
zoom zoom https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Terrible_Shotgun

>>713362573
I found myself enjoying the backwater rifle myself, lever action rifles always end up being my favorite weapons in all the games but I'm mostly using the metal blaster now, it's just so absurdly strong and quickly kills super mutant overlords who are still the only enemies who can quickly kill me if I'm not careful because of their tri beam rifles

>>713362828
I want to like this weapon, but I'm finding the regular combat shotgun better, it does very poor damage unless the enemy is right in front of you and it loses it's durability so quickly

>>713350625
Nightmare to mod and find patches for

>>713363051
>90s looking gun
should have been the p90

>>713343182 (OP)
>WELLLLLLLLLL
He aint my boy but the brother is heavy

>>713362828
first, he said x30 dmg [thats a multiplier] , there is no weapon in f03 that has that. not the deathclaw gauntlet, not the terrible shotgun. you are younger than me.

>>713363146
>>713363051
i dig the jatimatic lines

>>713363210
it has a crit multiplier you dumb bitch

>>713363309
It's supposed to be an HK33

>>713357202
>A cold relationship created by Obsidian's retarded management trying to sue them
What? I cant find any evidence of this ever happening.
>Interplay failing to deliver on the Fallout MMO that they were contracted to make but never made.
That was all interplay. It was never going to happen but interplay didn't want to give up on it.

>>713357202
this was before obsidian knocked it out of the park with FONV, i have no idea if todd really is that petty but there was that QA interview that paints a picture of BGSM being viciously over protective of their IP. maybe they were being nice with obsidian since they are developers of some renown, not so much for BGSA who had not proven themselves in any capacity whatsoever so i find it believable that BGSM would be seething about them being pressured into making fo76 and them externalizing it by taking it out on BGSA staff

>>713361235
>settlements can do everything!
>low junk cap
>low food/water cap
>you placed a thing! +2XP, next level in 5000XP
>all settlers are alike
>growth isn't real
>>>radiant quests
>>>roleplaying
>>>>>>deep

>>713365919
Unironically this, the settlement system is hot trash without mods, and even the one that does the most for it, Sim Settlements 2, is severely capped by the fact the game can barely keep up if you build too much between Sanctuary, Red Rocket and Abernathy Farm

>>713365919
>its not deep because i say so

>>713365919
You guys all forgot the best part, ITS STILL FUCKING BROKEN

>>713363051
I can tell what it's referencing
The wiki agrees
But it just looks like someone slammed together several different guns and someone else said "Hey that looks like X!" and the artist was all "Uh, yeah... haha... that's what I always intended..."

>>713364198
>but there was that QA interview that paints a picture of BGSM
post it

>>713360820
why would they poach "talent" from Obshitian?

>>713367068
just look up kotaku fallout 76 interview it should be 1st suggestion

>>713362360
because nv fans are obnoxious retards.

>>713366741
Yeah it doesn't look like Snake's gun at all.

>>713367130
Really isn't any point anymore. Not because I think Obsidian is bad now, in fact I think they're solidly at the same level as BeS, just different strengths and weaknesses.

But because both are under microsoft and the talent BeS actually needs from obisdian, like people who know how to design guns or write characters, like Sawyer, have no reason to leave one microsoft studio for another microsoft studio

does anyone else inspect ppl who buy capes or is it something u get bored of

>>713367230
That shit nothing about IP protection, it was entirely about how Beta testers are treated like shit at Zenimax. Beta testers are treated like shit everywhere.

t former beta tester

>>713347564
Better question is how the hell they can penetrate your power armor so easily with just double barreled shotguns

>>713367997
they talk about the office culture as well, shitting on austin's ideas and generally being impotent about their relationship. ofc it could all be made up because at the time fo76 was still in hot water.

>>713367252
vice city was made in 9 months, has a handful of cut ideas, the map sucks ass but you don't see anyone whine about it's development being so short

>>713367252
>>713369621
A big part of it is that there hasn't been a proper follow up to NV (or even 3 for that matter) in the 15 years since its release. 4 and 76 are so radically different from everything that came before they might as well be in a different genre.