What's next for Kishimoto?

>>713388491 (OP)
Frontiers 2...

>>713388491 (OP)
Another mediocre entry by a man who should not be leading development on platformers.

>>713389369
>Frontiers 2
We don't need more of Frontiers...
I'm fine with a new open zone game as long as it stays away from being an iterative sequel to Frontiers.

>>713388491 (OP)
goyslop

I think its gotta be frontiers 2 it feels like they have unfinished business with sage and sonics friends all went to set out on their own adventures so we need to see what comes of that

>>713392248
>Japanese IP
>Japan doesn't care for it much
>however it's really successful in other countries
>most of the games are bad
Sonic is gaijinslop.

>>713392925
>Japanese IP
>Japan doesn't care for it much
Kishimoto is trying to change that with Frontiers and probably with the next mainline game too

It's time to make him canon.

>>713392996
Sonic Team is always trying that and it only works every 1/20 times. I don't even think the movies do that well in Japan either.

>>713393150
>Sonic Team is always trying that
That's not true. They stopped doing that after SA2. They only started doing that again with Frontiers.

>>713388491 (OP)
>What's next for Kishimoto?
Blaze Adventure.

>>713390734
When I say "Frontiers 2" I mean a game that builds upon it and less of a game that continues it's story
>>713393139
KINO, I hope Frontiers 2 has kinda like a devil trigger or drive form mechanic

>>713393226
>That's not true. They stopped doing that after SA2.
No. There have been many attempts over the years by Sonic Team's higher-ups to try and get the character greater popularity in Japan, and it only ends up working once in a while (see: SA1 and Frontiers).
Sonic X in particular was a project to try and make Sonic more relevant in that region, and only ended up getting a third season because of Sonic's typical popularity in the west. One could also argue that 06 was another blatant attempt, since it's basically just an HD repeat of SA1's general structure, which, again, was the last time Japan showed real interest in the IP.

In truth, Japan seems to only care about Sonic when the given project barely resembles what's typically expected of Sonic (basically the IP just does not appeal to them on a fundamental level). I'm fully expecting Frontiers' sequel to not do as well in Japan as Frontiers itself did, since the devs will likely walk back on a lot of Frontiers' non-Sonic elements (e.g., the bland environments and the alien-ish enemies/boss designs) to meet common fan criticisms, losing Japan's attention in the process. Maybe some stragglers will stick around for Sage, but only if she's featured at the forefront again.

>>713388491 (OP)
if they are going to keep the combat, at least make more varied encounters: three of the same niggas/only one big nigga with nothing else was pretty lame

>>713393995
They can continue its story. What I don't want is a game that is just "Sonic Frontiers but polished" because it's game design is pretty bad and needs to be rethinked. Like I the level design was really weak and it doesn't fit the open areas and the movement physics are janky as fuck and lack depth.

>>713388491 (OP)
The poorhouse I hope

>>713394545
>The poorhouse
That's what Sonic Team is.

>>713394617
Sonic Team is a major AAA studio developing cutting edge games

>>713394672
>Sonic Team
>a major AAA studio developing cutting edge games

>>713389369
>Frontiers 2...
Why is it "Frontiers 2"? Is the end gonna come back? Hopefully not those shitty islands and that bland as fuck cyberspace.

>>713394672
So cutting edge they released a generic open world game in 2022 that felt it came right out of 2015. In a bad way.

>>713394773
Do you autists always take everything literally?
"Frontiers 2" is clearly just shorthand for "another game in the style of Frontiers".

>>713394794
That was the cutting edge style at the time

>>713394858
>Do you autists always take everything literally?
Literally yes

>>713394863
Frontiers isn't anything like the open world Zelda games outside copying the presentation.
If anything it's closer to a 2010s Ubisoft title.

>>713394975
>If anything it's closer to a 2010s Ubisoft title.
That's what those zelda games feel like so... If anything they're both cheating off of Ubisoft's homework

>>713395247
maybe
not exactly "cutting edge" either way

>>713394672
kek

>>713388491 (OP)
Sonic fighting giants with his bare hands was kino of the highest order.
I hope they hire that man again, and again.

>>713394858
just call it frontiers-like then or some other shit nigga. Sonic bros are autistic, and so you are, retard.
>>713388491 (OP)
we need more good sonic.

Still wish this damn game didn't consistently CTD every time I played it for seemingly no reason, when all the other Sonic games run fine, even Shadow Gens, and it sure as hell isn't my GPU being unable to handle it, just that higher resolution/settings causes it to happen sooner.

Meanwhile they already have the engine, the gameplay basis, everything they really need to make the next game, plus plenty of feedback and learning experience between the updates and ShadGens, so I expect that hopefully the next game is a lot more stable in development.

>>713396764
>plus plenty of feedback and learning experience between the updates and ShadGens, so I expect that hopefully the next game is a lot more stable in development
LMAO
You're a new Sonic fan aren't you

>>713396761
>just call it frontiers-like then or some other shit nigga
Or I can just keep calling it Frontiers 2 and the non-mongoloids will understand perfectly anyway.
also
>and so you are, retard

>>713397227
32, been here since Sonic 2. Shadow Generations wasn't a full game, but the fact that it came out in a timely manner and wasn't royally fucked up gives me some vague hope.

>>713396764
>Meanwhile they already have the engine
I'd be surprised if they actually used HE2 again for their next game. I'm pretty sure they mentioned in an interview for that recent animation demo they released that HE2 couldn't properly handle the squash-and-stretch shader tech they were experimenting with, hence why it wasn't used in SxS Gens. Whatever comes next will probably use yet another iteration of the engine (HE3) or Unreal. Probably the latter, considering Crossworlds is being built in Unreal, iirc.

>>713392925
>however it's really successful in other countries
Only in Anglosphere
Its flop in Asian and Europoor

>>713397376
Shadow Gens came out alright because it didn't have Kishimoto in the director's chair. They had one of the main designers from the original Gens lead the project instead.
I'm expecting the next game to have handful of improvements over Frontiers, packaged with a handful of new problems that spawn from pointlessly dumb design decisions, just like with almost every game Kishimoto directs.

>>713397643
It's crazy how HE2 is already 8 years old now. They really should give it a big update worthy of the HE3 name.

I don't dislike Frontiers in concept. The individual stages are too much of a mixed bag and way too derivative of past games. And I don't just mean the fact that they blatantly reuse assets from Sonic Generations, a lot of their level design also heavily borrows from past games as well. I don't mind that stages reuse assets between them, but there should at least be ten "full" stages in the game. By which I mean if you combine all the "proper" stages, they should approximately add up to how long it would take to beat Sonic 2. Reuse their assets all you want after that. I don't dislike challenge stages.

Also, if you must use boost, I want it to be faster. The one good thing about boost is that it makes you go super fast, but the boost in Frontiers is disappointingly slow.

>>713399614
I thought the power boost was fast

>>713399614
>the boost in Frontiers is disappointingly slow
It's not really that's its slow, it's the camera positioning and fov settings that make the game appear slower than previous boost titles.

>>713388491 (OP)
Looking forward to Frontiers 2, Shadow Gens was fucking great and I can see the direction they're trying to go with the Open Zone

>>713399764
>>713399840
Boost has been getting slower. It was at its fastest in Unleashed and just keeps getting slower after that. You can actually see the difference in Sonic x Shadow Generations; Shadow's boost is slower than Sonic's because he runs on a different engine.

is this guy who directed 06 and wants to remake it?

>>713388491 (OP)
Sticks solo game

>Next game will be some dogshit that iterates on Frontiers instead of Shadow Gens
It's over

>>713399989
No, that guy was a producer on Forces and the Sonic Generations remaster.

>>713399989
no it's the guy that directed the worst sonic game - sonic colors

>>713399991
I miss sonic boom (tv show)

>>713399934
That's not the engine, that's the limitations/factors of design. They intentionally pair it back so that it's more controllable and so that level design doesn't become long stretches of literal miles on end to be able to carry such speeds in the first place.
Though some part of it probably is also engine limitations in another way since they fucked level streaming back in Lost World, and I have no idea if that got unfucked given what Shadow Generations pulls off with the mid-level transitions.

>>713400267
It was pretty good

>>713393436
>>713399991
My nibbas

>>713400161
Shadow Gens isn't much better

>>713396761
>call it frontiers-like
sounds retarded

>>713400329
God I miss Marine ;_;
She's the most based female character in the series.

>>713400267
I wish we got more of the comic series

>>713399934
its all the same engine. They can make a fast game if they wanted but playtesting has made them realize most people can't really handle a game like unleashed at max speed. Shadow Generations is a good middleground, it could stand to go just a bit faster but the level of control is good

List of good ideas that Kishimoto won't do for Frontiers 2:
>ditch cyber space
>ditch boost
>ditch parkour
>momentum based platforming using the dropdash and homing attack like Utopia
>layered level design like the classics
>setpieces with unique zone flavor
>a single contiguous zone with biomes OR a hubworld with zone entrances like DK64
>themed stage gimmicks (eg, mushroom springs)
>structure objectives and progression through zones like DK64 with character changing, missions, dungeons, and puzzles that interact with the world

>>713402898
It absolutely isn't. Sonic Generations runs on the Havok Physics Engine. Shadow Generations is Unreal.

frontiers has made me realize I should never buy a sonic game outside of steam/PC. the amount of mods people will make to fix a low budget mascot platformer is unprecedented

>>713402906
you are gonna get kishimoto eyeballing a bunch of gameplay mechanics from other titles while not understanding any of the nuance, and you are gonna like it

>>713403103
havok is not an engine dumbass. Its a middleware piece of software sonic team purchases a license for so that they can use that code library and its tools in their own engine

>>713403103
>Shadow Generations is Unreal.
Shadow Gens is HE2 you dope, just like Frontiers.

>>713403103
LOL
Sonic Gens uses HE1 and Havok Physics while Shadow Gens uses HE2 and Bullet Physics.

>>713402906
sounds like you want dk64 2 and not frontiers 2 then

>>713400327
Which episode was that?

>>713403258
I mean yeah. Rare solved 3D platformers decades ago. It's already basically an "open world" game.

>>713403258
Honestly Frontiers is structured more like a collectathon than a typical open world game, so there isn't that big a leap between the two.

>>713403258
Frontiers is already a concession to make sonic more like a collectathon. Its taken sonic team almost 30 years after mario 64 to admit this formula would have worked well for sonic.

>>713399934
They should ditch the boost and focus on rolling and an adventure style spindash

>>713404107
>>713404946
The scrimblo formula from Gen 5 and 6 would do well for Sonic. Spyro snd Jak 1 are also great examples and would be a better basis than an open-world game.

If they're going to do open world then they need more systems that make use of it, like crafting. Or a chao garden.

>>713405073
In Sonic Adventure, people are constantly just using the spin dash anyway. And it has almost no buildup, so while you're running, you charge up a spin dash for like a quarter of a second and speed forward with no loss in momentum.

>>713388491 (OP)
Wow he is creepy

>>713388491 (OP)
Hopefully going to the god damn dentist holy fuck look at those teeth

Making Frontiers 2 obviously. After the recent Sega leak I don't understand why it's taking them 10 million years to announce it

I'm glad the Generations devs have been freed from developing the garbage as fuck Mario and Sonic games, the team is finally back together