Thread 713425856

Do games always have to be weird?

This is the effect of professionalization and corporatization on game production culture. Weirdos don't even make it past the company door; the chubby woman in HR will consider their profile deviant and unsuitable for what the company is looking for.
You'll see things made by weirdos in niche areas, however. On itch.io, or even in questionable things like Western eroge, you will still see that weirdness that could only be coming from the minds of people who are outside the norm.

>>713425856 (OP)
weird only exists when there are bland stuff to compare to, but weird games only exist in the small number of AA games today

No triple gay games haven't stopped auteurs from being a thing.

>>713425856 (OP)
Reminder that /v/ turned it's back on Deadly Premonition 2.

it takes a weird person to want to make one
but thats the real reason AAA games are shit now
the nerds and geeks were replaced with 9-5 wage chasing chads and women, thanks to HR's selective screening process based on building a successful firm in a non-tech-based field
those people dont care about games, they care about their social network
they dont even hire programmers anymore (the last inlet for autists) because all coding is outsourced to india now

>>713426261
Reminder that deadly premonition 2 was shit and so was the first game.

>>713426283
Who's getting into game dev for the wages?

>>713425856 (OP)
Not really. Wholesome game is good too.

>>713425856 (OP)
did he seriously expect to find someone weirder than him?

As any medium develops and broadens its audience, it start to homogenise as certain standards and themes prove effective.
Look at the history of film and how off the wall things from the golden age of Hollywood can get.
Directors still take a chance once in a while, but weird, creative film-making will always be drops in the bucket compared to the greater film world.

>>713425856 (OP)
Sheeple making content for other sheeple will always be worthless garbage.

>>713425856 (OP)
Normalfags and committees do not have the mental capacity to develop interesting ideas.
However, the cultural shift and exploding budgets for video games have made it impossible for someone eccentric to be put in charge of a major production. No company is willing to take any conceivable risk if the game is set to cost $200M+
It's one of the many reasons why indie games are replacing the industry

>>713426261
everyone did because it was a steaming pile for multiple reasons

>>713425856 (OP)
no, weird people can make normal games but they themselves are a dying breed.
There has not been any 'auter' type devs in the last 10 years, compare that to the last 40-30 years and its easy to see that we are in a drought.
good games can be made without weird people but its much more likely that a weird person with a unique vision produces a good game than a sanitized/profit orientated team.

>>713426615
What did they say? Did Tomino have any idea who Yoko is? How did this happen?

>>713425856 (OP)
>Cries about weird people not making games
>He doesn't make anything himself either
What the fuck is his problem?

>>713425856 (OP)
Yoko is sort of correct, but not really. I get the gist of what he is trying to say tho.
What is a better way of stating this is less creative people are making experimental games.
>Before gaming was mainstream
Game companies made money selling units and had budgets for selling in the hundred thousands. If they achieved mainstream success and sold in the millions it was seen as hitting it out of the park. Odd people who were obsessed with making the best game possible and companies were ran by people who wanted to innovate and experiment.
>Gaming goes mainstream
Every AAA company has a CEO who doesn't know anything about gaming and wants to copy what another company already did and refuses to experiment and just wants to sell DLC. Weird people are almost the entirety of who is working at these companies, but the aren't creatives whose passion for games makes them a bit off, they are attention whore faggot narcisists who pander to "queer culture". Budgets are set to where multimillions need to be sold to break even.

moral of the story, normies ruin everything

>>713426658
Same thing happened to movies. There is too much money involved

>>713426319
I forgot to mention im trans (m2f), not sure if matters

>>713426871
Spot on. Weird people are still the ones making games, but they aren't the cool kind of weird

>>713426658
>No company is willing to take any conceivable risk if the game is set to cost $200M+
uh huh
that's why they keep making shit like concord and hyenas with hideous characters

>>713426504
>it start to homogenise as certain standards and themes prove effective.
Yeah, but it's not an exact science, and people tend to go more by instinct, like, "That guy did something right, try to follow the same formula", which we know simply doesn't work most of the time.

>>713426871
>Yoko is sort of correct
>but not really.
>What is a better way of stating this is less creative people are making experimental games.
how is he "not really correct" when this is literally what he said?
Being creative and daring enough to put their creativity into creating experimental games = being one of the weird people.
rephrasing what he already said doesn't change what he said, you said the same thing with more words, which he condensed in "weird people"

>>713427028
>that's why they keep making shit like concord and hyenas with hideous characters
They are a reflection of America's values. I'm sorry you had to learn this, but the average American no longer wants big titty blondes.

>>713427117
then why did those games flop massively

>>713427117
Wrong, it's a reflection of the values of the American elite, which doesn't mean they're the values of the nation.

>>713425856 (OP)
Yes.

>>713425856 (OP)
>hey look at me I'm weird I wear a funny mask!
>makes generic as fuck action games with typical jrpg plot

>>713425856 (OP)
Variety is the spice of life. Gen 5 and 6 consoles were definitely the most experimental and had the widest range of genres and ideas.

>>713425856 (OP)
They don't have to be weird per say, but having lots of different people with different outlooks will give us a variety of games to play, while AAA is just homogynized slop.
Diversity is good.

I don't want weird games, I want normal games

>>713427541
that wasnt a weird game, that was a "lets take the worst leftist agenda and build the most stupid game mechanics around it even if it's the most hated game mechanics ever"

>>713426367
Board members and VCs looking to piggyback off the creative slaves that will put in overtime towards their deluded vision of granduer. Once AI finally removes that hurdle you won't need to placate their egos and the line can continue to go up while you siphon off the surplus to an offshore account. They aren't interested in making escape points for invalids when you can make psychologically designed hamster wheels that can generate unlimited wealth for practically nothing in return.

>>713425856 (OP)
No. I like weird games but I hate how often weird games have only that going for them as being divergent from AAA crap.
A game made by a group of people passionate for games will always be better than both corporateslop and some artistsy director faggot having his vision caved for

>>713427076
No he's right, "weird people" also applies to the mentally ill people and insufferable faggots who are making games today, they are just the wrong kind of weird.

>>713427728
This. The best games were made by generic white dudes with tucked shirts, current industry is populated by gender-indeterminate mystery meat potbelly goblins with cyan hair and isn't exactly benefitting from it.

By weird people he mean creative people who want to make games with new ideas and concepts. People who think outside the box and don't just copy what is currently popular. People who love their jobs and want to express their ideas through videogames.
He doesn't mean trannies. Woke games are actually enforced by the corporations themselves. There's no creativity behind it, only DEI checkboxes that they have to fill.

>>713427541
you can just taste chocolate onions milk just by looking at that webm

>>713427728
>>713427930
that's cause we use the word "weird" to include any kind of weird, but in japan they have different words for the different nuances of weirdness, and he uses the word that specifically addresses the type of weird person he is too, a nerd, having weird ideas, not conforming, prone to fighting and arguing to have things made his way, the word he uses has literally none of the connotations we associate with "the mentally ill people and insufferable faggots who are making games today" and "gender-indeterminate mystery meat potbelly goblins with cyan hair"

>>713427930
>The best games were made by generic white dudes with tucked shirts
LMAO

>>713428007
this, he used a very specific word for "weird" which has nothing to do with the snowflakes making shit games

>>713426830
https://youtu.be/gYJlw1S_Sok
Buy the dvd to find out ;)

>>713425856 (OP)
>you're not weird anymore
>yours truly, mr. not even remotely weird anymore 2b ass sellout now ashamed of his weirdest work
Yeah, keep those quirky masks on bud. It's the only thing you've got left after Reincarnation.

>>713428175
That's a problem with the English language: it conflates things that are different in their specialties together. In Greek, there's four words for love describing friendship (philia), romantic (eros), familial (storge) and an abstract but universal, self-giving type of love (agape). In English, all of these words are just described using love which also includes the status of preferring something as well.


Anyways, the point makes perfect sense. Otakus/nerds are functional human beings unlike these mentally ill queers that make games today, but unlike normalfags, they have a vision and are set apart by trying to bring their vision into reality versus going through the doldrums of modern life and pretending that it was worth it to get a fake status and even faker relationships. They're as close to real human beings as human beings get. That's why they drive the future of whatever fields they go into,: they have a vision and a plan to make it a reality that is so lacking in the world.

>>713426261
As it should, game is trash on purpose, Twitter faggots applauded when Swery showed it running at 5fps, they wanted it to be shit. First game had budget shortcomings but also a vision.
The Good Life is also underwhelming, arguably more than DP2.

>>713425856 (OP)
Neir was on sale for 15 bucks and I still refunded it. It's generic weebslop. This guy is overrated.

>>713427930
>current industry is populated by gender-indeterminate mystery meat potbelly goblins with cyan hair
That are white as well. Good games are made by japanese people. Dilate

>>713428749
based

>>713425856 (OP)
>>713425856 (OP)
>>713425856 (OP)
>I WEAR A HELMET IM SOOOO QUIRKY XD

Your games are just coombait. Nothing """"""""""""weird""""""""""""" about Nier at all. It's the most mainstream shit ever appealing to niggers.

>>713425856 (OP)
That's just a nice way of saying absolute normies can't make games.

>>713425856 (OP)
no, the problem is that there's no more right kind of weird making games, there are an abundance of weird people making games, especially on west.

>>713426367
It's just a job like any other, you're not making much more by studying anything else. A carreer starts after college/training, not during
The office is just as much as a dead end as a mcdonalds cashier job if you don't have the talent or network for it

>>713429565
Mainstream games can be weird or have original ideas as well. Unless you only count the garbage RPG Maker h-games that /v/ and /vg/ consume as good.

>>713428749
Look at the nintendie getting all bothered in anticipation to play Bingbing Wahoo Karts Party Odyssey on his Goybitch 2

>>713430318
you are projecting

>>713429565
>Your games are just coombait
Anon did not play Drakengard 1
>Nothing """"""""""""weird""""""""""""" about Nier at all
Anon did not play NieR
>It's the most mainstream shit ever appealing to niggers
elaborate

>>713425856 (OP)
>Do games always have to be weird?
>games
>weird
OP is a fucking retard with zero reading comprehension.
He was talking about creative types with wild imagination getting replaced by committees with focus testing so their $400 ''investment'' gets biggest ROI possible.

>>713429565
ignorant retard

>>713425856 (OP)
no but they all dont have to be "Safe" investorslop either.

>>713430030
>>713430398
>>713430614
Name 1 weird thing about his games.
Also wearing a quirky helmet doesn't make you weird, just a tryhard.

>>713430614

Basically this. Suits are the cancer of every creative industry.

>>713425856 (OP)
>Do games always have to be weird?
innovation requires weirdness.

same thing is happening in music, movies, and now video games. it's all exclusively made by normies trying to be weirdos.
you can't fake autism.

>>713425856 (OP)
>always
That's not what he says, retard.

>>713425856 (OP)
my first job at as a tech worker felt like that. i thought finally i could be among other weirdos and do technical stuff together but instead everyone was a turbo normie. really nice people, some of the best i've had ever seen up until that point in my life but still normies which made it a bit hard to relate.

>>713425856 (OP)
I miss him everyday. if only he got with a big studio and not NIS, but only a mind as twisted as his could come up with the item world.

Weird people aren't allowed to exist or thrive in a career anymore. They're all working dead end jobs while Chad plays creative director. They're neets larping as fascist pedophiles online. They get on HRT. They're polarized and barely get a chance to share their own ideas. Game development is a collective effort, and you're not getting the 80s/90s dropout-to-superstar culture anymore.
American McGee doesn't get a job today. Neither does Taro. Neither does Miyazaki. At least not in game development; they lead a frustrating and soul-murdering 9-to-6 writing web tools and masturbating. Or selling artisan bullshit on ebay if they're lucky. Or working retail.

>>713428392
>japan is selling dvd of 2 old man talking

>>713430909
Drakengard when you don't press start

Honestly Yoko Taro is weird, but his games aren't even good. Automata was lightning in a bottle, and was hard carried by 2Bs ass anyway. The story really wasn't all that special either. Gameplay was boring and shallow. So while he does have a point he's not really a good example of the "weird" he's talking about.

>>713430909
There's nothing weird about hiding your face though. He also only does it when he has to show up. He's voice only in most events.

>>713430909
What's the point? Whatever I say, you'll say you don't find it weird. To me his games have one of the most fascinating and weird universes ever created. From the deconstruction of classic aspects of eastern fantasy games (the party having the worst kind of people in it like pedophiles, cannibals etc.) to its unusual narrative sequence (inserting fantasy stuff in our urban setting in a plausible way and making massive time skips to not make the setting stagnate) to even making what you call "coomer bait" a filter to filter retards like you from playing it.
If you really played NieR you would know that voluptuous women are just a facade to hide the true soul of the game.
If you were just referring to wacky stuff only, there's plenty. Androids bleeding and drugging themselves, canon futas, girl reborn from a flower womb. The list goes on.
But of course you couldn't know it because you were busy playing the latest they/them Nigger cuckmann game.

>>713426658
indie games are just as bad and slop like as AAA are on average.

>>713432256
Kusoge culture is weird kid culture in Japan. Though I feel that's mostly an excuse. Replicant PS3 without the spear is still the closest he's ever got to making a genuinely good game.

>>713432021
There are dozens of old men talking in it actually

>>713425856 (OP)
Does he not know?
Western game studios are full of weirdos
It's not a sign of quality at all

>>713431423
At least he's had his masterpieces in the history of gaming.

>>713432669
>Western game studios are full of weirdos
that isn't true

>>713432021
kino

>>713432021
japanese zoomers are unironically on a whole new level of celeb bootlicking

>>713427541
you're getting "normal" games made by "normal" people for "normal" people already.
that's the problem.

>>713425856 (OP)
>saying this when Nomura works for the same company as you and still makes shit games

>>713434082
they always are

>>713429565
This

>>713434289
no, the problem is they are not normal people
they are weird

>>713432256
>Honestly Yoko Taro is weird, but his games aren't even good. Automata was lightning in a bottle.

People are just starved for a decent tragedy story where things don't go the protagonists way. Very few games even attempt consistent tragedy, especially anything triple A so it's a largely untapped market. If you're lucky you get some sob-story sideplot or a bad end option.

And the few that do focus or tragedy are split between either ridiculous creepy pasta type gore-fests or "deep" reddit style writing where the protag whines woe-is-me i'm depressed the whole game.

>>713425856 (OP)
>Field relies on creatives to keep things fresh
>Field grows
>Companies become big and bloated, budgets balloon, everything becomes corporatized
>Creatives leave because they become locked down and can't do the weird shit they want to create, new creatives stop being hired since they give HR recruiters the ick
>Field become stale
Many such cases

>>713432009
Not all weird people are created equal, if you're weird because you're a degenerate who watches too much porn the only thing you have to offer is awkward, edgy schlock that pushes moral boundaries, the interesting weirdos are people who weren't programmed by the TV or social media and who hold strange interests, in the modern era these people barely exist because everyone is hooked to the borg as a toddler.

>>713436816
what nortubel character is this?

>>713438462
lmao nah I think nortubel art is better

>>713425856 (OP)
And he's fucking right. Gaming went to shit when normalfags, who joined the industry for money, replaced passionate nerd devs, who just wanted to make fun games. The management trying to maximize profits at all costs just further worsens it.

>>713425856 (OP)
Good ones do yes

>>713425856 (OP)
good, if it means there won't be any more dogshit games like Nier Automata.

>>713427028
Those aren't "risks", thos games were made by committees of people looking at social media and thinking it was reflective of how non-insane people think

based on """market data""" there was SUPPOSED to be an audience there, but that's exactly the problem: they listened to market data instead of being people passionate about making something because they love the medium and have a unique idea
The real problem with videogames now is that "consultants" swarmed the industry like leeches and started confidently spewing a bunch of bullshit massaged data as facts, then they got paid and laughed all the way to the bank after their role was finished during development, then the game releases and it's a piece of shit that NO ONE wanted, not even the people it was meant to be appealing to, but the consultant doesn't care, they got theirs and then got to put on their CV "hired by Ubisoft/Activision/Sony/EA/Microsoft as consultant" and then they get hired for more consultancy roles in the future based on that because it looks good on paper when you cut out "the game I consulted for turned out the be a complete fucking failure because of my advice"

>>713431423
He is trapped by strong loyalty ties to SE which basically saved his ass at a low point in his career and he's personally friends with a few of their top guys so he'll never leave them.

>>713427028
>concord
combining overwatch with guardians of the galaxy is not a risk. There were both extremely popular at the end of concord's pre-production. There was nothing risky about it.

>>713426871
Attention whores are the norm. Yeah the ones that become game devs are the weirdish deviations, but they're the "look at me I'm so quirky" kind. They ain't genuine weird people.

>>713431423
how do you know he was behind the item world in the first disgaea

>>713432256
you've clearly never touched any of his games, faggot
automata is the worst one

>>713432256
if Automata wasn't special story wise, then what RPGs are?

>>713425856 (OP)
He's right, but we still have weirdo autists making indie games at least. For better or worse

>>713444167
Undertale and Deltarune

>>713443718
No, it isn't lol. Not in a world where Drakengard 3 exists.

>>713445073
Replicant > Automata > DOD3 > DOD1

>>713432021
Old men are the most powerful force in the universe. My Japanese pornographic videos taught me this.

>>713443615
the credits and he said he designed the levels for the item world on twitter.