Why all the hate? Be honest.

>>713427574 (OP)
Too bloated, they don't think updates through and through like they do in dota

I dont know how to jungle
And my jungler doesnt either

>>713427574 (OP)
Dota is just better

>plays 3 games of league and feeds like mad
>good boy mask immediately falls off
Bro was so tilted at the chat he even gave an entire speech lmao

>>713427574 (OP)
I haven't played league in 15 years but I remember really hating it, also kernel level anti-cheat.

It used to be fun

>>713427823
Shouldn't have picked the most punishing lane in the game while being cocky. At least in jungle you can /muteall and permafarm, mid lane can be played safe. Top lane is prison rape

>>713427574 (OP)
Matchmaking is fixed, they removed visible MMR to do they're Jewish tricks for engagement purposes

>>713427574 (OP)
I can't call shitter teammates retard and faggot without getting banned. Shit game.

>>713427823
Grubby has always been a fragile shithead.
He preaches this whole "in control of my emotions" zen schtick, but he gets bent out of shape really fast on most things.

The recent WoW hardcore streamer shit rattled his cage several times and he got pissy a lot.

>>713428268
Are there even games that allow this in 2025? My best guess would be TF2.

>>713427574 (OP)
I am convinced this game has bots with player like names that just auto push their designated lane until they either win, or lose.

>>713427823
lets not forget about
>hehehe lol is so easy compared to dota
>gets immediately hardstuck in gold 3

>>713427574 (OP)
I don't.
It just exposed people to how bad they are, and how good they can learn.
The "is toxic" argument Falls into that.

>>713428084
I miss that retro look like you wouldn't believe

>>713427823
I dont mind grubby but his dota 2 arc pissed me off.
>receive coaching from multiple GOATs
>play every fucking day for hours for a year
>have feedback from chat and good players
>reach highest rank tier
His chat "omfg grubby so good only took him a year"

>>713427574 (OP)
League was my first moba, moving to dota 2 exposed how shallow league was. dota 2 is just more fun. HotS was the better casual game. No room for league except as a curiosity for different champ mechanics

>>713427823
He literally got boosted by a potato.

>>713429241
It's lost media, I would love to play the game as it was 15 years ago. 0 interest in modern League

>>713427574 (OP)
I liked it back in the day.. stopped playing around when brand came out because my irl friends stopped playing and I didn't like doing solo queue

its like 15 years old. like WoW, the new updates are nothing but additional cash grabs disguised as content. their golden years are gone and its time to move on, you can't develop something that is already done and bloated

>>713427776
I don't like how turrets behave in dota and I'm not a fan of the items requiring recipies.

>>713427574 (OP)
mobile game for toddlers since season 7

>>713433012
But you need to pay for combining items in LoL, it's functionally the same as Dota recipes. There is just no reason to have recipes in LoL if you can't change your inventory outside spawn.

>>713427574 (OP)
Deep down I think it's a genre that doesn't feel good to play. It's addictive to some degree but not really fun.

>>713427574 (OP)
Ah, the *League of Legends* hate! It's kind of a meme at this point, but there’s a mix of valid reasons why some people have strong opinions about it. Let’s break it down honestly:

### 1. **Toxic Community**

This is probably the biggest gripe. The competitive nature of *LoL* often brings out the worst in some players. You’ve got the constant team-based pressure, which means people can get angry at their teammates for poor performance, leading to raging, flaming, and general toxicity in chat. It’s been an ongoing issue for years, even though Riot Games has tried to implement systems to combat it. Some people just can’t shake that reputation of a "toxic" environment.

### 2. **The Complexity/Accessibility Barrier**

*LoL* is notorious for its steep learning curve. If you’re new, good luck understanding the ins and outs of champions, builds, items, roles, etc. And the game constantly changes with patches and updates, so what worked yesterday may not work today. For some, this is thrilling; for others, it’s frustrating. The complexity can be overwhelming, especially when the game doesn't do much to ease new players in.

### 3. **The Grind**

To really get better or unlock certain cosmetics (skins, etc.), you’ve got to put in hours. And we’re talking **hours**. For some, this is part of the appeal, but for others, it feels like an exhausting grind. Matches can sometimes feel like they drag on forever, and you might lose more often than you'd like, leaving you with the sense that the game is just punishing you.

>>713433529
### 4. **Pay-to-Win Complaints (Even Though It's Not)**

The “pay-to-win” accusation comes up because people see skins being sold in the store and assume that there’s a direct advantage to buying them. However, skins don’t affect gameplay—it's mostly a cosmetic thing. Still, people get upset when they feel like other players are buying an edge, whether it’s through special events or having more time to grind than others. Even though it’s not technically pay-to-win, the idea persists in the community.

### 5. **Matchmaking Issues**

Matchmaking is a pretty common complaint. Players in *LoL* can often feel like they’re being paired with others who aren’t at their level, making it hard to climb the ranks or have enjoyable games. And since a lot of the game’s appeal comes from its ranked mode, getting stuck in lower levels or facing off against higher-ranked opponents can feel demoralizing and frustrating.

### 6. **Riot Games as a Company**

Some of the hate also stems from **Riot Games’ reputation** as a company. They’ve had some serious controversies in the past, including issues with workplace culture, harassment, and handling player feedback poorly. Even though they’ve made moves to improve, these past actions linger for many people.

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But here's the flip side: *LoL* is also *one of the most played games in the world* for a reason. It’s incredibly fun, competitive, and rewarding for a lot of players. If you can get past the frustrations, it’s a thrilling game with a massive community and a lot of depth. It just has a lot of factors that can turn people off, and when you mix in the toxicity and long playtime, it can be hard to stay positive.

What’s your take on it? Ever played, or just heard the chaos surrounding it?

>>713427574 (OP)
league haters are just bad at the game
they could nitpick all the want but the root of it all is because they're bad at the game

>>713427574 (OP)
Buying champions is retarded and the gameplay is just worse dota/hon.

>>713433616
Forced 50 is a thing. I swear.

>Saves you're dying game
>already has all the league e-thots swarming him
Apologize

Riot is trying their fucking hardest to kill this game patch after patch.
It's like they despise their playerbase.

>>713433529
>>713433586
You make a good argument, ChatGPT.

>>713429585
You forgot the part where there was always someone going "OMG IS THAT YOU GRUBBY!?" in most of his games and the enemy carry suddenly just DC'ing and never coming back.

>>713428241
Top lane is by far the most punishing lane in the game, and overall has very little impact on the game. You can go 9/0 and still lose because every other laner on your team decided to int, certain matchups are straight up unplayable COUGH COUGH Vayne and if the enemy jungle decides to camp top then well fuck you better hope your botlane is doing well.

Forsen was unironically better than Grubby at League

League Streams >>>>>> crap >>>>>>> heartstone

>>713433763
>It's like they despise their playerbase.
They do. There was a video from one of their tranny devs crying about people flaming in league and how they'll ban everyone that says ggez.

Dota 2 is better

>>713434025
>>713433763
Is Riot still like Blizzard and trying to remove ANYTHING that can be remotely considered sexual and appealing to straight white men in their games?

>>713427574 (OP)
>Make a game where the outcome can be entirely decided by shitty teammates
>Make it bannable to vent your frustration on said teammates
>Do nothing to fix the fact that more games are decided by chink/third-world wintraders and dumb retards, than by actual player skill

Also their habit of deleting entire champions from the game is horrible

>>713434136
Not really, they still release coombait champs.

Apperently Riot did a study that female gamers want to play as the big titty bimbo girl. and refuse to play other champs. So they're honestly just making more skimpy girls than anything else.

league ladder and matchmaking is a fucking joke and if you care about it you have brain damage and have an addiction problem

>t. sold accounts for a living years ago

>kernel level anticheat
hiw about no

>>713434480
>mad that you can't cheat

>>713434762
Anti cheat software does not need kernel access and only stupid faggots like you tolerate it. Enjoy your spyware.

>>713434889
Show me proof that it spies on you

>>713434431
>Riot did a study that female gamers want to play as the big titty bimbo girl. and refuse to play other champs. So they're honestly just making more skimpy girls than anything else.
women were the real chuds all along

>>713434136
you're joking right
all they do is put out the same boring coom skins that chink players eat up

>>713435786
>>713434431
They've literally been censoring old "problematic" skins and artwork

>>713427574 (OP)
Because they removed all my favorite characters
Graves, gone
Sion, gone
Ryze, gone
Skarner, gone
The day they turned Swain from a badass crow man into that ridiculous Lucius Malfoy wannabe was the last straw

>>713427823
I thought it was my fault being angry at this dogshit shitty game when I stopped playing last year. But if even someone like Grubby goes full angry-boy zoomer mode when things don't go his way then you know it's just a game's problem. I really don't know why it frustrates people so much compared to other pvp games.

Also kills the narrative
>League is the tutorial for dot-ACK

>>713435980
They're not going as ham on cleavage, but their fem champs are still obviously handcrafted for coomers.
Like Briar, teenage le wacky vampire gf with bare feet and feet is all over the artwork.

>>713436513
>feet
>coomer
fuck off

>>713427574 (OP)
Because it's boring and stale. DotA won hard.

>>713427574 (OP)
is the anticheat going to break my computer?

Because it's a shitty game. That I played for a few years before I gave up. And every attempt to return was miserable.

>>713436768
the bigger problem is you'll have league of legends installed

>>713436668
For me it's not feet but thigts

>>713436768
Only one way to find out.
https://x.com/LSXYZ9/status/1785483391422570773

>>713427574 (OP)
>matchmaking designed to keep you miserable most of the time
>no build variety, minmaxing is rampant
>constant FOMO with spending events and limited cosmetics
>one of the worst communities in the entire hobby, only surpassed by tendies and gachatards
>Arcane is pozzed as fuck and taints the admittedly decent lore
Gee, I dunno

>>713436213
>Skarner rework
I will never be not mad about this.

>>713437383
It was cool how everybody knew they're fumble season 2. Because s1 was successful people knew (((higher ups))) would get more involved and twist the show to their sensibilities. The woman who was an assistant and whose only job was to push VixCait in s1 became a fucking lead writer.

>>713427574 (OP)
I think you should instead argue why it's good. I tried playing with my friends and it was repetitive toxic garbage. Every second of booting up the game I felt like I was being manipulated too.

>>713437116
/ourguy/ piratesoftware says it's... LE BAD so it must be true!

>>713427574 (OP)
They removed my runes. So I uninstalled their shitty game. Fuck you phreak

>>713427574 (OP)
It's the best game in the world, you should keep playing it. We don't want your kind spilling out of your dumbass containment zone.

>>713427574 (OP)
Randoms

>>713436709
How is dota less stale than lol? We need to go back to the golden age of wc3 custom games.

>>713437650
Yea but did you know he used to work at blizzard?

>>713437383
Idk, man. Apart from mentioning Arcane, it all just sounds like literally ANY competitive game with teammates.

>>713427574 (OP)
it was good season 1-4, but its over 10 years later, most peoples complaint is the 5v5 genre itself where you need to rely on your 4 other teammates to do well so the lack of control is frustrating when you lose because you can't carry 1v5 past a certain rank

>>713437880
Dota keeps adding things and changing things. NOTHING changed in League in the last 10 years besides Atakhan lol

>>713438103
Yeah and now Dota fucking sucks because of all the retarded changes and everyone stopped playing.
Dota is not the same game at all anymore, I fucking WISH dota didn't change.

>>713438028
Why did they remove Twisted Treeline? You only had to worry about 2 other randoms at best and most people had at least one friend that they would duo queue with.
They could have simply redesigned it to be more fun and balance around it separately like with ARAM.

>>713438103
you shut the fuck up about Dota - it's a terrible game & LoL players must stay in their obviously superior servers

>>713438265
Maybe Dota didn't change. Maybe we did.

>>713427574 (OP)
1. overly prescriptivist meta enforcement, no experimentation allowed

2. boring, samey, character designs

3. it's not 2010 anymore and other dota-like games have matchmaking too now, so there's no reason to play it

The Golden age is over, folks. It's time to move on.

>>713438362
this
the kid thinks one game is superior to the other and wastes time defending it on the internet
the man knows both and the entire ASSFAGGOTS are a complete dogshit genre

>>713427574 (OP)
>Why all the hate? Be honest.
>Be honest.
Okay... I'm actually just bad.
I used to cope that you have no agency, forced 50/50 matchmaking, that a feeding botlane meant certain defeat, etc, but then I watched a friend smurf.

I'm not sure what separates us, but I believe it to be genetic. We've played LoL for about the same length of time, and we've also done reaction speed tests with each other (in-person). He's only about 9ms faster than me, yet when we actually play it's night and day.

To my great shame, I've peaked Platinum, and I am truly hardstuck there. I physically sweat in my matches and barely claw out a 51% wr, I've disabled in-game music, ambient sounds, shadows, etc, essentially as tryhard as you can be.
My friend, in stark contrast, will be (somewhat) drunk, listening to metal so loud he can't even hear pings, and just yell while collecting triple, quadras, and even pentas in games at my rank. He climbed into Diamond 1 with a 79% wr on that smurf, and is comfortable in high Master on his main. I don't understand it. It has to be genetic. The same way some people are born talented creatively, whatever it is, I wasn't born with the agency to decide games of LoL.
I watched a ton of his replays and the biggest difference between me and him is that he never chokes when it counts. Ever.
Picrel my friend at my elo.

>>713427574 (OP)
Didn't the word toxic enter common lexicon because of this game?

>>713438864
indeed it did. lol.

>>713427574 (OP)
>Greed
>Appealing to Twitter
>Censoring every woman
>Making every character LGBT

>>713438864
Yes, as a result of a soiboi asian twink who made it his mission to combat MUH TOXICITY.
Of course it was later revealed that he sexually abused his girlfriend. Because you know that these people are always trying to cover up their own problems.

5v5 fucking sucks and I blame this game for the entire multiplayer market shifting to it
You can literally watch people lose you the game in real time how could you not be angry

>>713439085
I mean, popular games like CS1.6 or the RTS genre already had a big demand for team-based matches

>>713438762
Perhaps he understands team position better than you do? It's a team game, you're unlikely to ever win 2v1 unless you're massively fed or incredibly outskilling. Just a guess, I was never good at this game either.

>>713438864
Better question: Did the word ELO enter the lexicon due to LoL?

I kinda blame LoL for the slippery descent into all vidya being about fucking meta picks and elo score and minmaxxing competitve ranking autism in everything. maybe im wrong but it certainly didnt help the death of casual multiplayer vidya

dota2 is like league of legends but without having fun

>>713439326
>Did the word ELO enter the lexicon due to LoL?
Nah. That comes from Chess

>>713427574 (OP)
League is an actual midwit game. A lot of people hate it because they're too stupid to understand it. Those with around 150+ IQ are too smart to play it.

ignoring the playerbase, which is the absolute fucking worst on this planet both in skill and attitude, the games pretty good. it has some issues.

too many humanoid champs. its just boring, and also makes it harder to distinguish them at a glance. on top of over-the-top skins causing issues with readability. for any game that wants to pretend to be competitive, there should be the ability to disable everyones skins and just play with defaults.

they also try to add too much extra shit the game doesnt really need. this comes from just a fundamental understanding that the issue with player retention doesnt really have anything to do with the game being boring or not fresh.

they should also just disable chat entirely for everyone at all times, and only allow pings.

>>713439459
>FIFA at the bottom
I'd normally call this bullshit and be done with it, but this does check out.

>>713439326
>>713439424
It was from chess and had been gaining more traction even in other vidya prior to LoL. It's also technically Elo from the chess player Arpad Elo, it's not an acronym for anything. except Electric Light Orchestra

>>713438762
its probably not skill because the game isnt really all that reliant on skill, its reliant on knowledge.

i sometimes play yi to turn my brain off. im very good at league. i had a friend like you who has been playing the same amount of time but just isnt as good, and he always runs his mouth about how anybody could do good with yi. which is sort of true, yi is a simple champ, his kit is not complex, and his item powerspikes are massive. but hes also easy to control, and personally when i see a yi on the enemy team im excited because im find him super easy to handle.

so im dropping absolute nukes with yi, and my friend runs his mouth, i tell him to try it. take yi and go jungle, if its so easy. he fucking sucks. he cant get a kill, even after 2 item spike. hes not getting objectives, his positioning is trash.

its not a skill issue as in physical skill. its knowing what the fuck youre doing and why. being able to make good predictions of what the enemy is doing. its meta knowledge.

>>713427574 (OP)
haven't played this garbage since before the new year and it was awful. grinded games like crazy and became emerald and i swear to god every teammate there was worse than the ones i got in bronze

>>713427823
What was the speech?

>>713427574 (OP)
you somehow have to inoculate 10+ years of game knowledge to be able to face any actual pro and it's way too much for how stupid each match feels in reality.
watch any non-cucked pro and the'll start casting ritualistic blood curses on their teams entire family because they picked another champ than they suggested, the games are being determined before the loading screen a lot of the time at that level and it is completely inacessible to any new player.

they won't let me name my characters like this anymore and i don't play c*nsored garbo

>>713438762
it is some sort of autism. they are the same people that could become good at chess and things like that.

>>713441761
the only person i met in real life that was grandmaster liked to do math equations for "fun" in his free time

>>713427574 (OP)

The game barely provides any satisfaction anymore. You used to feel super strong when fed and could carry better. Now, you feel one fuckup away from feeding the enemy a bounty and they come back. It feels like you have to play perfectly to stay ahead at all stages of the game. Most abilities feel way toned down in damage and CC. It's simply not fun. I would rather have highs and lows than every game feeling super fucking unremarkable with no highs. I feel nothing when getting kills or winning. It's not just me, other games are still fun to me, this game is just fucking boring and gutted and feels nothing like it used to. Then there's about a hundred other reasons to hate Riot. Never buy or play their games.

>>713441108
> don't play c*nsored garbo
So, you don't play games after 2010?

>>713427574 (OP)
It sucks