Everything being a WoW derivative really fucked the MMO genre irreversibly, huh?

>>713448503 (OP)
I'm waiting for your thread to get going. No point writing my 2000 character effort post for a dead thread.

>>713448503 (OP)
Not that this underage board would know, but MMOs peaked in 2004/2005 because it was not common to own a cell phone.
If you wanted to talk to a friend your choice was (1) play an online game with chat options or (2) call the family landline and negotiate with your friend's dad/grandma/sibling for the privilege of reaching your friend for a conversation that everyone in both households would then overhear.

If this thread lives in just say no we don’t need a full loot hardcore PvP mmo, that shit will die in a few months and a ton of older mmos are lives and we don’t need to go back to the old days of random Korean mmos coming out every few months

Meanwhile Maplestory just reached new lifetime popularity peaks last week for both GMS and KMS, with KMS achieving over 400k concurrent players.

>>713448898
this
mmos were chat rooms with activities
you can play wordle or chess in discord now, and it fundamentally fills the same niche

It's not a discussion worth having. WoW and it's clones like FF14 or Rift aren't fun or even worth discussing in the current year. Other modern MMOs are design failures. Older MMOs that are good and still online don't have the player counts to make it worth playing and the only people who are willing to talk about them are grifters who retardedly argue that every MMO which isn't a themepark copying WoW 1-to-1 is shit.

>>713448898
Instant messaging was as common as far back as the 90s, you zoom zoom masking as a millennial. ICQ, AOL, Yahoo, MSN, there were multiple options and they were extremely "mainstream" (for the number of people who had internet at the time).

>>713448503 (OP)
No, retard. Technology and society moving on did. Everything always online is simply nothing these days, as people spend their entire lives online and PvP means fortnite and shit, not splitscreen shooters and rickety ass lobbies on dial-up anymore. You simply don't need an online chatroom with orcs and elves anymore when shitcord and its tranny mods are inescapable.

>>713448898
This.
I can only listen to sooo many Classic WoW YouTube goblins rev up the most nasally voices known to mankind and screech 'muh jankyboomer game design' before wanting to slit my own ears.

>>713449064
>BottedStory
Are you fucking retarded?
MapleStory was always the glue-huffer's choice but that has never rang more true than in the current year.

>>713448503 (OP)
it's done. they were fun because it was a sporadic thing you could do at night. the internet in general was this "place" you went to outside of work or school, and it wasn't all over the place like it is now. MMOs were special because of the novelty of meeting people online, and that is no longer a thing.

>>713449410
>but that has never rang more true than in the current year.
It's the complete opposite though? Are you living in 2015? The botting problem is not only mostly gone, there's actually issues with Maplestory's detection producing false-positives for bots.
You can have complaints but "botting" hasn't been one of them for over a decade.

>>713449257
I'd say its like fishing. People didn't go fishing to fish, they went fishing to hang out in a boat. MMOs allowed you to hang out with friends online while doing something.

>>713449064
MAYPERU SUTORI

>>713449257
>instant messaging
Only fucking cripples and fatties were sitting around a PC in pre-porn internet to chat and only chat with other always-onlines.
Gaming changed everything you stupid fat fuck.

>>713449257
i can still mentally hear the
>uh oh!
and
>DOOT
from icq and xfire respectively

>>713448503 (OP)
I think Forever games are just dying. People need games to have an ending. Also a narrative other than generic MMO shit. It's why koreans are starting to make single player games

>>713449064
Latale is better than maplestory

>>713449257
>instant messaging on PC
wow you must have been a real fucking loser if this was more than a ten-minute novelty for you like it was for literally everyone else

>>713449257
^ This. Gameplay/the intrigue of the world was always primary and "muh chatting with muh friends" was always secondary, or an annoyance at best. I don't know where every zoomer got this retarded idea that MMOs are bad now because we use chatrooms anymore, I think they all watched the same josh strife hayes or some other youtube video influencer and adopted the opinion. MMOs are bad now because of the tyranny of the minority forcing devs to take core MMO components out of the genre, and still calling them MMOs.

>>713449257
That’s not the same as having a phone you dummy

>>713448898
Phones like nokia, motorola, erikson, etc. were already very common back in early 2000s even among kids. But MMOs were still easy access group chat rooms, including the sexual predators that infest them.

Yes. MMOs were good for Everquest where you died at the bottom of a dungeon and rotted without people to back you up or Conquer online getting a dragon ball and have a billion people trying to PVP your ass for it. Even modern EQ is full of pussies and casuals in instanced nerfed "era appropriate" servers like Quarm. The other is KMMO trash that is just P2W. MMOs are never coming back.

I think MMORPGs are kinda trapped in genre conventions, like they tend to be "RPGs" where the numbers are just a background element.

>>713448503 (OP)
>>713448732
MMOs will never be fun again and it's the internets fault. Nobody plays the game anymore to experience the world and the setting and play their class fantasy. All people care about is min maxing for whatever goal they have in mind. DPS to top charts, watching their favorite streamer for the latest meta news, perfected class builds and trade/crafting exploits. And even if you're not one of those guys, there is enough of them that you will eventually have to group with them or even join the same guild and then you have to make a choice, do you want to play the game your way, but be mostly alone, or have fun with your new friends but play their way?

My ideal MMO would be a Witcher simulation MMO. A monster hunter for hire doing odd jobs while traveling from contract to contract. There would never be more than a dozen Witchers in a country-sized region so you can still feel special. If a 13th Witcher joins the same region they would automatically get phased into a version of that region until it fills up and so on. Imagine Red Dead Online size of player pool.

Sleeping under the stars, making barely enough money to maintain your gear and replenish potions, occasionally stay at an inn. Hey, i heard that a nobleman in vizima is looking for a Witcher to lift a curse. Apparently big money. It's only a week on horseback. Let's go. And on the way you run into all kinds of things. That would be the gameplay loop.

>>713450037
>MMOs are bad now because of the tyranny of the minority
The eternal crabs-in-a-bucket mentality certainly doesn't help. They're all previous victims of being "ganked" and that's the extent of their entire identity:
>all pvp = ganking = bad.
>I must roll on PvP servers even though I don't like PvP and will complain when I engage in PvP.
>cater to me or else

You never see this type of behavior from PvE enjoyers or PvP enjoyers. It's always that one subsect of soft mentally ill retards who can't let go of that one time their pixels died on a screen.

If I had known what I knew now about these serious niggers I'd have triple downed in corpse camping them with people from across the globe so it could be done in shifts 24/7.

Maplestory Classic soon.

Every MMO that isn't 200x WoW at its peak is considered dead by foreveralone nostalgiafags in their late 30s.