Smash Ultimate feels outdated. We need a Smash reboot with all new movesets.

If the next Smash was just the 64 roster but brought up to their modern appearances, that would be kino

not happening. enjoy smash 4 rev 2.

>>713478713 (OP)
smash is completely dead, go support sakurai’s new project!

>>713478713 (OP)
>DK could use a new move set yes
>Link
Adult is fine as is. Toon needs more pull from his games like Skull Hammer, Mole Mitts, deku leaf, etc. Young needs to be more MM based.
>Kirby
Fine as is
>Samus
Rework a bit yes.

>>713478713 (OP)
>New Final Smash
>New Final Smash
>(completely ignored)
I didn't play Dread, what's new there?

>>713479019
Don't be a flaming warring nigger.
Both are good games and can be supported by fans.

>>713478713 (OP)
After Sakurai said we need to redeem smash with slopa? Hell now. Better to just remaster ultimate.

Only some characters need reworks. Captain Falcon should be completely unchanged.

A smash game but all characters have somewhat similar move sets so we can finally play our favorite characters and there's no meta.

>>713478713 (OP)
you don't tell sakurai how to make a videogame. you are the equivalent of a videogame cuck. you play what they made, and you enjoyed it. you don't tell them how to fuck you in the face and where to cum.

>>713479076
Omega Beam (machine gun mode + BFG charge shot)
Quick dash and stealth modes
Metroid Suit

>>713478713 (OP)
My schizo crack theory is that Samus was going to get a new moveset and more fluid physics to play into her more modern appearances, while Dark Samus as an echo would retain the slow lumbering physics she has now for those who enjoy her current playstyle (similar to how Dr Mario is the N64 Mario while regular Mario got faster and weaker), but with new Metroid delayed fifty times they had to just revert Samus to how she was before and keep Dark Samus as a nothing echo.

>>713479076
Faster and less floaty Samus would be my thought. Marry Samus with ZSS in terms of moveset and general play style.

>>713478713 (OP)
Kirby will never be changed. Every game has a pretty different concept and they're never incorporated into his moveset.

Changing any of the original 12 in any significant way is a surefire way to piss off the smellies

>>713479076
>>713480618
I could see Car or Big Rig Mouth being a new final smash, especially if the next game is keeping with Ultimate's trend of all FS being cinematic cutscenes

I want Simon reworked. He's way too slow, has too many projectiles, and his hitboxes are narrow. Sakurai is making characters faithful to a fault.

Of the four in the pic Samus is the one in most desperate need of an actual moveset overhaul; Mii Gunner is very transparently a second attempt at Samus

>>713478713 (OP)
Ok, but if so, give the older movesets to "new" characters, with some new additions of course.

Give Legacy DK to Funky or Dread Kong.
Give Legacy Link (64/Melee) to Dark Link. Add like a mindgame cloaking Special that needs to be nerfed.
Give Legacy Kirby to Keeby lol. What do you mean you've never heard of Keeby?.
Give Legacy Samus (Brawl and Earlier) to SAX.
ez, but they won't.
>>713478861
>smash 4 rev 2
You mean Brawl rev 4?

some of the outdated movesets are pretty insulting. Like sunshine came out almost 20 years before smash ultimate came out but mario still uses fucking fludd of all things and it barely resembles something from the games anyway

I really hate it when he clearly doesn't give a shit about a character but he's forced to make a moveset for them. You can really tell when sakurai is and isn't passionate about a character

>>713482514
I think the thinking behind FLUDD was probably to make Mario a more literal jack-of-all-trades in giving him a damageless pushing option, but that's so niche in actual practice that he may as well have just kept Mario Tornado. It does still stand out as a strange choice for his moveset for the reasons you mention, especially with fully retrofitting Link to reflect Breath of the Wild while Mario only gets a Cappy taunt to reflect Odyssey. And Samus still gets jack shit.

>>713482514
The FLUDD thing is incredibly ironic because Mario's spin has become a staple part of Mario's moveset in every Mario game since Sunshine. Yet Luigi, who has an entire spin-off series to his name, is the one the keeps it.

MAKE SMASH FUN TO PLAY FIRST

>>713482912
>>713482848
FLUDD feels fucking weird to use in the first place, and giving it to, what should be the most basic character in the game, is so fucking stupid. Keeping it is even stupider. It should be a button that a retarded 5 year old should be able to understand and use sometimes. And Sunshine is my favorite 3D mario, not like I have a grudge against it. Just shocking it's still in Smash.

>>713478713 (OP)
Atleast the movesets was based off their games. What's egregious is characters like Ganon not having his own moveset.

>>713478713 (OP)
this is what most likely will end up happening. i expect the roster to be quite a bit smaller than ultimate, mainly lacking a lot of the third party characters. and they'll make it up by reworking all the movesets and probably including some first party characters that have been asked for for a while

>>713483097
fludd would make more sense as a recover or something, not as the bizarro down-B it's been since brawl

>>713480486
Also rework the beam to actually fire like the games please, Smash gave us such a weak representation of it's capabilities aside from charge beam.

>>713483097
It's ironic that we talk shit about FLUDD, but the Cape is also representative of one game and yet sticks around. I think they could have combined the Cape with the Tornado by making Tornado the side-B and giving it both the reflect property and the mash-to-float property.

>>713483203
Ganondorf should have gotten a trident of some kind instead of the decades-long wank over the fucking SpaceWorld demo sword

>>713483531
Okay, cape is kino though. It put the super in Super Mario

>>713483581
Cape's good, goes out quick and has an obvious and useful purpose, especially if you're familiar with SMW

>>713483581

>>713483317
grandfathered and such

Smash has been a shameless asset flip since Brawl

>>713478854
doesn't make sense given how dated the 64 roster is
bare minimum for a modern dozen character roster you would
>move Yoshi into mario's moveset or have the Yoshi stampede from the Melee opening as his final smash or as a stage hazard
>outright cut fox, jigglypuff and ness, maybe even Cap. or Luigi
>add isabelle, or Tom Nook
>add the Squid Sisters as an ice climbers, or zelda, style dual fighter, idk why they added [PLAYERNAMEHERE] when Splatoon has actual characters available
>add Olimar and Zelda as unlockables

>>713483824
If Mario's down-B and Link's bombs can get it, so can Samus with a faster semi-auto beam fire. It's the least-invasive change compared to the others.

>>713484150
I just want you to know that your opinions presented here are absolutely terrible

>>713478713 (OP)
It's going to take active effort to not make a new DK moveset into a Kragg pastiche.

>>713484505
Kragg is more Incineroar

>>713479204
>Captain Falcon should be completely unchanged.
Well, of course he would, he hasn't had a big new game in years and outside of comics and his anime. He doesn't really have any moves to use for a moveset. So I imagine him, and Fox (and the rest of the Star Fox characters if they are there) will have their movesets remain untouched.

>>713484617
yeah characters like falcon and fox are fine to have a unique moveset and not change it because there's not really much to draw from

The problem is characters like link and ganon, who have PLENTY to draw from but they still have the same moveset from N64/melee. Link only recently got updated but he still plays pretty similarly to his first incarnation

>>713484736
I honestly don't think Link needs a rework. Making him play exactly like BOTW/TOTK would cause his moveset to age like milk several years later.

Give Luigi the Thunderpalm from Superstar Saga

>>713484617
>>713484736
If anything it was the other way around where Super Smash Bros. pretty much defined his character and capabilities, up to and including F-Zero anime's Falcon Punch

>>713482172
Susie for Smash. Summon the Lancer Fan Club (and the Old Man) for the Ultimate Buster. Either that or Pokemon Trainer but with Kris, Susie, and Ralsei instead.

>>713485126
Should be Kris with a buddy-system for Susie, Ralsei and Noelle with some kind of random effect list for ACTs

Ultimately though I think this idea would be a Hero clone with some Ice Climbers DNA

>>713484859
...
You do know Mario & Luigi isn't a real videogame right? One may as well ask for moves from the DIC cartoon or a fucking colouring book.

>>713484505
I would love Kragg so fucking much if playing him didn't make me feel so evil. That and he's lacking a little bit of Project M DK's speed.

>>713479204
nah, they should bring back his falcon punch from 64

>>713483531
>>713484859
Play the HDR mod.
>Mario has Star Spin, Firebrand, and even a Longjump.
>Luigi has Thunderhand.
>All echoes are fully decloned.
>Most legacy tech from the whole series returns.
>Less physics / input delay than vanilla
>Better online than vanilla
>>713485641
What are you even talking about?

>>713486648
HDR looks great, but the fact is that no one wants to set it up. The relative easy and popularity of Wii modding was lightning in a bottle. Also, modern Smashfags don't actually play the games for the gameplay, they play for the fantasy of playing as an official Smash version of their favorite characters. Many of them are even actively hostile to good gameplay.

>>713479146
>chooses passive aggressiveness
whatever you say.