Door 6/7 spoilers
Why did Didier do it wtf
I thought he and Georges supported Michel (formerly Michelle)
This chapter was much better than I expected for troonshit desu /v/ blew things out of proportion again
to be fair this VN isn't very good it became kino around chapter 4 and it's only because I paused accidentally and read the log. that was cool
jacopo was great

Fata Morgana thread

Haven't read the VN yet but here's a bump anyway

without the magic copout and chuuni witch despair this story is depressing as fuck for almost all parties involved except maybe Michel and Giselle near the end of their lives
Morgana, Ceren, Maria and Jacopo in particular had it so fucking bad it's insane

You get more insight into their actions later. You probably shouldn't read anything else in this thread before you finish it, including the rest of this post.

Georges didn't even think about what was going on, it was pure "out of sight, out of mind" with him. You have been interacting with the painting in between doors, yes?
Didier is a lawfag who obeys commands from on high religiously but he essentially tortures himself to death over the regret stemming from it.
The tranny shit is vastly overstated by some spamming retard who never even played the game and doesn't understand the distinction of Michel being born with an extremely rare genetic defect that gave him mutilated genitals before he went through male puberty, which is clearly distinct from some normal adult male deciding he's really a girl now and lopping off his penis to try and prove it.
I think Jacopo's the most interesting character in the story and Requiem does a good job of fleshing him out more.

>>713482104
Ceren didn't suffer at all.
Ceren was also a retarded character that didn't need to exist and was the worst part of Requiem.

>read negative reviews for requiem of innocence
>people complaining about slang and expressions in the text that weren't used in the middle ages
I don't get it. The original fata morgana VN also had a lot of these issues. Did people forget about LE GASP or the excessive use of terms like vitriol and other modern expressions? Or even the entirety of Door 8? The translation of the script in both games is the same: shitty
not like it was any different in the original japanese version. lot of bad writing all around. Morgana tanking having her arm cut in the middle ages without a tourniquet or garotte or people thinking the Japanese guy was a monster due to racism KEK

>>713480142 (OP)
>jacopo was great
He's an accurate depiction of an Italian having to deal with the Fr*nch

obese rat

>>713482860
LE GASP was an unnecessary meme when it could've just been GASP (the Japanese was just ガアアアアン) but the Japanese was already written in modern colloquial vernacular so the translation being the same is a good decision. Rewriting it to be faux-period appropriate would've been terrible translation.

Jacopo did nothing wrong. Thank you for your attention, you can carry on

Maria has been perfectly engineered to extract the maximal amount of semen from any male specimen.

>>713480142 (OP)
Isn't it the troonlator "game" that thought tsundere meant fragile male ego?

>>713483284
Jacopo did everything wrong, but for the right reasons.

>>713483301
>STD-ridden whore with a dyke haircut

>>713482104
Aimee got away with everything. She won

>>713480142 (OP)
To clear the family's name of witchcraft.
>>713483284
Jacopo quite literally did everything wrong.

This had a really good ost. I could post more than a dozen tracks but I'll stick with the obvious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTBlhe7iVyU

>>713483512
Requiem for Innocence implies she's slowly poisoned to death.

>>713483512
That bitch even poisoned Georges. At least he got back at her

>>713483373
Yes, and I'll forever curse that dumb faggot for ruining its reputation.

>>713483554
The songs are ruined if you understand portuguese
t.huehue

>>713483604
>>713483624
Georges reveals that his plan was to make a painting that would poison her, but that's all you find out. More likely the day after he kicked the bucket she sold the thing off.

>>713482463
Ceren serves to rationalize Morgana's split personalities. Without her, Requiem is almost completely redundant with the original's flashback scenes.

>>713482104
>Maria death CG
stuff of nightmares

>>713483757
>Without her, Requiem is consistent with the original
Yeah, exactly.
The primary difference anyway is that the flashbacks in the original were from Morgana's perspective whereas in Requiem it's from Jacopo's perspective, and that already gave enough grounds to present things differently and flesh things out more without introducing a new character that's significantly important to the plot yet for some reason was never mentioned in the original. At least Gatrien's omission is excusable.

what the fuck were they thinking with fata morgana reincarnation

>>713482986
Michel is so lucky.
Except for literally everyhting else happening in his life. And that he STILL doesn't get a dick in super ultra happy ending.

>>713484149
The original artist had some kind of severe illness at the time which is why they needed to get a new artist for it but I still don't know why they went for that fucking style.

>>713484256
Good thing sex toys were invented

>>713484149
Good ending where everyone solves their fucked up mindsets that got them into trouble in the past.

>>713483284
he was a pedophile and despot

>>713484353
It actually got me curious how intersex people like him experience sexual pleasure.

>>713482463
her background story from the perspective of the bandits and the other characters was really kinda disturbing desu. liked her addition just because of that.

>>713482860
It's shakespearean tragedy aesthetic. For many people Fata Morgana is the "VN that doesn't feel like otaku perverted japanese fanservice slop" because it has a really good western look with the beauty of anime. Ironic weebs and people who hate the medium love singing praises for the quality of its writing and exaggerate its narrative depth. The only actual interesting thing this VN has done was in door 4 with the fake fairytale and the meta log shit.
Everyrhing else reads like a teenage otome VN with unnecessary amounts of suffering. The main characters we are supposed to root for are really shallow and barely defined as people, but because they went through contrived suffering, it means they are deep. It's utter insanity how fans of this VN gaslighted themselves because of aesthetics alone. Umineko ep8 gets a lot of criticism for not answering anything and being retarded but the entire time-travel section in Door 8 and the marvel dialogue was on another level entirely. Even raging loop wasn't this bad.

>>713482307
>I think Jacopo's the most interesting character in the story and Requiem does a good job of fleshing him out more.
love italian boy. most mcs are either self-inserts or edgelords or just plain uninteresting. jacopo on the other hand is very flawed but also very human. that talk with him and morgana in the sunset has to be one of my favorite scenes in any visual novel ever. just absolute perfection in characterizing him, his motivations, his ideals, his dreams, while also building on their relationship. dude also has to be the only character i've ever seen who literally tortures his love interest to death and still ends up with her in the end. that's fucked up but also kinda badass.

>>713484149

>>713484256
I wonder if he has one in the bad ending where he ends up with Michelle.

>>713484149
well, some of the new songs were decent. the extra stories, especially the one where giselle turns into a witch of desolation was kinda cool. and the finale with jacopo was a nice final conclusion, with the white haired girl showing up in the backlog as a secret.

>>713485383
the thing is fata morgana is literally full of anime tropes

>>713480142 (OP)
>jacopo
>great
That retard did everything wrong. Who relies on an intermediary to pass notes between him and his wife? One visit, that's all he had to do.

>chapter 4
Is that the false flash back where the maid tries to convince the player that michel was a reincarnation of the whitehaired girl? I stumbled upon that by accident too. If you check the log when you're in the tower you can see red hidden dialogue.

I'll finish with saying you're ramping up to one of the best parts of the game. An explanation for the first 3 doors in one of the most kino ways possible. loli nell is cute as fuck and giselle acting as a hidden guide fucking with michel was gold.

>>713485383
What is there to answer? Magic is real, the game is unambiguous about that. Do you want some science fiction explanation of how the mitochondria carried Michel's consciousness into the womb of his mother a thousand years later?
That aside, the depth of the story is in exploring how characters who seem unapologetically evil at first glance are also human and sympathetic if you take the time to understand what made them who they are, the suffering in the story is just a means to that end. If there's a flaw it's that it didn't extend that to Francois or Aimee, but you should be able to understand by then that just because their backstories aren't explored it doesn't mean they didn't have their own experiences shaping who they are just like the Lord did.

>>713486457
>with the white haired girl showing up in the backlog as a secret.
Motherfucker

>>713483301
>knee deep in dick since she was 12
Oh yeah, she's good at it alright.

>>713482104
Worst of all is the white haired girl. I felt so fucking bad for her. Literally everyone got another shot at life and happiness but her.

>>713486845
Pure kino

>>713486457
>>713486759
>spoiler
I think I might finally get around to reading all the extra stuff.

>>713487010
>One or two choices in the game where a different result happens if you wait instead of making a selection
>Spent several minutes waiting because I didn't want to take the sword and hoped there was another way

>>713487529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS_FIdA65gE

>>713483554
For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De1HHsKs8gk

>>713486457
legit? lmao I shouldn't have speedread it

And what a perfect song to end the entire story on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXSueYwjCY

our heroes.... and bitch jacopino

>>713487529
I can't remember what I was thinking in that moment, but I remember agreeing with Michel that there had to be another way. It just wasn't fair...

>>713487768
>I promise you, Morgana. Nothing that terrible will ever happen again.

>devs looking to make live action adaptation
cringe or kino? who am i kidding, it's gonna be cringe. but i'll watch it anyway.

>>713482986
>they put it in the arbook
based

>>713488450
I forgot about that shit. It's going to be a disaster.

>>713488469
There are scans of the art book now?

>>713483660
I hated this so much. My immersion was broken

>>713489338
>my immersion was broken in the comedic non-canon post-game segment that talks about the development of the game

>>713488469
Where was this? I have all the books and I don't remember this pic

>>713486716
>Who relies on an intermediary to pass notes between him and his wife? One visit, that's all he had to do.
all the main characters were under morgana's curse. they were basically 100% fucked from the start. i think reincarnation even explicitly points this out. like with how normal maria is completely different personality wise than how she was in door 3.

>>713489457
I mean Jacopo in door 3 is still suffering from the same flaws of inaction and inability to admit his mistakes until it's too late, in that regard Morgana's curse is just stopping him from learning from last time. Maria was probably warped by it as a tool to make Jacopo suffer though.
On the other hand Javi and his village are just innocent bystanders who got caught up in the consequences of Morgana's play.

>>713480142 (OP)
The only door/character I didn't like was door 2, in retrospective it's a bit of a weird decision to have the other two male leads be painfully human and flawed characters who you still can't help feel sorry for (more for Mell than Jacopo though) and then have a psychopathic sadist murderer cannibal sandwiched inbetween them

>>713486457
I think the writer realized that the WHG's ending is too cruel (which says a lot considering what every other character goes through) so they soft retconned her "death" so her soul is still around somehow

>>713490312
>(more for Mell than Jacopo though)
Mell is the least sympathetic of the lot thoughbeit

>>713489652
>still suffering from the same flaws of inaction and inability to admit his mistakes until it's too late
were those really jacopo's biggest flaws though in requiem? when he was still normal? his biggest flaw was letting his own ambition blind him. kinda like a bulldozer that just doesn't stop plowing forward. he needed morgana to help guide him and temper his morality. but i definitely wouldn't call him a man of inaction, even when it came to things like love. he was gonna confess his love the day the brothel got raided. as for admitting mistakes, i dunno. he just had a really bad string of luck. and it was already too late when morgana got her limb chopped. one nice thing i really like about jacopo is that he never shirks responsibility. even when yukimasa was the one who hurt morgana, he doesn't blame it on him. he knew it was his fault, his mistake.

>>713490549
How? There was literally nothing he could've done in both time periods

>>713490645
>it was already too late when morgana got her limb chopped.
It was too late to get her arm back but he could've stopped then and there and not put her through even more suffering which of course he didn't realise or act on until the last moment of both of their lives. It could've been possible for her to recover from her mental break but he never gave her the chance because of his "I have to keep going" mentality. As soon as he realised who she was he should've turned her over to Maria after patching her up.

>>713490832
THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DOOOOOOOOO is exactly what makes him an insufferable little shit.
>What do you mean it's my fault I ruined my relationship with both my sister and WHG by being insensitive
>What do you mean I'm complicit in Morgana's suffering, Yukimasa is scary and I need to protect Nellie so I can't do anything
He's weak not just physically but mentally, he immediately gives up on his situation and resigns himself to being Jacopo's dog forever and never even tries thinking of a way he can get them out of it or help Morgana, that's what makes him a coward.

>>713490897
>but he could've stopped then and there and not put her through even more suffering which of course he didn't realise or act on until the last moment of both of their lives
i wouldn't call it not admitting his mistakes so much as having his moral calculus completely screwed up at that point. he knew what he was doing was fucked, but he weighed it against the work he did as the lord. suffering of the few versus suffering of the masses kinda stuff. i also think there was a short what if story out there where the author described what would've happened if jacopo stopped at that point. i don't know if it ever got translated or whatever but i believe the jist was that she was too far gone at that point, being betrayed again and again. morgana was never going to recover. jacopo in the main timeline recognized it and just plowed through with his plan anyway.

>>713491241
>What do you mean it's my fault I ruined my relationship with both my sister and WHG by being insensitive
He was definitely a dick to her in the theater, but at the same time she just slapped his gf and insulted her in public, he's obviously not going to react well. The real issue came from the fact that he was in love with his half sister, which he could not have known, Nellie herself said she would've eventually gotten over it had it been literally any other girl. If you're talking about the beggar scene he didn't know it was her and was freaking out over the whole situation
>What do you mean I'm complicit in Morgana's suffering, Yukimasa is scary and I need to protect Nellie so I can't do anything

He's fully aware that he still carries responsibility despite being threatened into complicity, but the majority of people would react the same way. It obviously doesn't excuse what he did, which the story reiterates, but it's not hard to see where he was coming from, and it's why he's the easiest character for Morgana to let go of her hatred of

You're not wrong that he's passive and too late to act which is what his lesson revolved around, but Mell's a good example of how being a nice person who isn't necessarily a good person, which is something I found relatable

>>713489175
>I forgot about that shit. It's going to be a disaster.
man, they could've just hired some animators to do some nice stylistic shorts. or if the fata cash money really was there, the entire story or requiem. but instead, they're going with live action? fucking live action? i'd rather the devs just keep the money for themselves instead of throwing it away.

>>713493376
Not just live action, but live action made by Americans.